The Ultimate Guide To Understanding Terms Regarding Gender, Orientation And Sex

[ebbyeb]

There's A Lot Of Inappropriate Usage Of The Following Terms.. Leading To A Lot Of Controversy And Confusion Over What They Actually Mean.. But Don't Worry, I'm Here To Officially Clear Everything Up For You

First, you gotta understand the differences between one's "sex", "gender", and "orientation."

There's practically an infinite combination of all of the above terms... Allow me to define and explain each of them for your prime understanding- in my own words (for the most part).

Sex: There are only TWO sexes. This is according to the physical form your body has. Often referred to as "male" or "female". You can't naturally be both sexes unless you're some sort of human mutation.. and said human who would have a combination of the two sexes would be called a hermaphrodite. However, for the most part, you either have genitals specifically tailored to raising and producing a baby, or you have a ding-a-ling. Now, of course, there's surgeries to alter one's sex.. but you can't naturally have a fully-functioning vagina and dick at the same time.. it just doesn't work that way. Yes, I'm sure there's specific exceptions where someone out there is somehow born with both genitalia.. hence my inclusion and mentioning of some sort of human mutation.. as mutations can be natural or purposeful.. I hope I don't need to further elaborate on that.

Gender: This is far too often confused with "sex".. Gender is what you consider yourself to be in relation to your sex. Gender is the "mental" aspect of identifying yourself, whereas sex is the "physical" aspect. Gender is where things can, unfortunately, get very confusing very fast as there's multiple genders (..yes! Multiple!).. Many more than I'm going to include.. as I'm only going to include the most common and basic genders because I don't want to confuse y'all too much.

Orientation: This is the term used to describe how a person reacts and feels towards other genders.. in terms of attraction or absence of attraction. Orientations also includes many confusing terms. Again, I'm only going to include the most common and basic orientations.. basically, the ones you're most likely to have encountered or potentially have yet to encounter.

Now, it's time to peel away those potentially bias and/or subjective glasses for your optimum understanding

This will be necessary, since I'm anticipating that many people are reading this article with their own perspectives, many which, quite frankly, I strongly believe to be inaccurate.. at least to some extent. And for those who are strongly anti-gay etc. obviously this article probably isn't going to be a slice of cake for you to understand, but I genuinely hope that it at least clarifies the other side of things to you. But the reason that I mentioned the glasses, is that many people believe that there's "only males and only females".. that's your opinion and all, but let me tell you now, it's not really all that true unless you're referring to someone's physical sex, in which case, yes, I completely agree. But to completely ignore that there's at least some sort of spectrum in gender and how people feel about themselves is pretty selfish and ignorant in my opinion. You don't have to agree with it.. But at least recognize it. Having an open mind will do wonders for you.

Now to get further into detail.. About Sex..

As I've mentioned previously, there's only two official sexes.. And I suppose mutations if you'll count those (..hermaphrodites.. but even with these.. there's still a dominant sex present).. If you've ever traveled out of your country, you might have noticed that on your passport the description of your appearance will most likely say "sex" (at least in the English speaking world.. I'm not so sure about other languages).. And not say "gender"... As this is the appropriate and official legal usage of language to most accurately depict your appearance etc. as sex isn't exactly a subjective thing. Again.. Sure, you can identify differently in terms of your gender etc. but you physically cannot be "not" a male or female. You're going to have the body parts of either sex. This is often the arguments that a lot of anti (people) will mention and bring up. And yes, I completely agree but to an extent. Hence why it's important to me to properly educate as many people as possible about the differences in these words... As they are NOT the same thing. But more often than not, with a bit of clarification and an open mind, you'll realize that you're more often on the same page as the people around you than it'll initially seem. I think that if people take the time to read what I say and try to understand, and have questions if they don't, then for the most part, we'll all be on the same page! (Ideally that is! Haha..)

As for getting more in-depth with gender...

This is where things are likely to start getting hairy (if they haven't already)... But hang on tight!

Agender: This is basically a person who doesn't identify (or identifies to a very small extent) with the traditional sexes and their roles. Sometimes this word is also expressed as "genderless" or "gender neutral".

Bigender: This is a person whose personality combines traits from both traditional sexes.. Basically a feminine/girly tomboy.

Biological Sex/Cisgender: Simply the sex that you're born as is the sex whose traditional characteristics are the ones your display. More simply put, if you're a male you identify as just that- a male. And vice-versa.

Fluid(ity): This is someone who doesn't claim to have a set gender. They simply exist and represent themselves in whatever fashion they're most comfortable in. Basically, they don't like labels and don't feel like there's a set term that defines them exactly.. hence "fluidity" being a part of this term.

Genderqueer: This is basically a combination of Bigender and Gender Fluidity.

Transgender: Someone who's decided to represent themselves as the sex opposite than what they were born as. These people aren't necessarily gay.. just simply transposing to the sex they're more comfortable showing themselves publicly as. It's also important to note that some people make the full transformation from one sex to the other (via surgeries), while others simply claim to be transsexual (without having the proper sex organs of the sex they're claiming to be) and have decided to devote themselves to being/representing themselves as their opposite birth sex.

Transsexual: This is someone who emotionally, and psychologically, feels more connected to their opposite sex. This doesn't necessarily mean that they're gay or transgender. A Transsexual could be a feminine man who's still completely straight.

Details on one's orientation...

Ally: A supporter of the LGBTQA community. This person can be gay, but isn't necessarily.

Aromantic: This is someone who experiences/feels no (or very little) romantic attraction to others. Meaning they aren't interested in lovey-dovey coupley things.. like holding hands, kissing, hugging, and physical affection in general. These types of people aren't necessarily asexual, but they can be. These people tend to be more sexually orientated.. out for booty calls and not any sort of lasting relationship.. again, that's not uniform among people who're aromantic.. but it IS a common characteristic. (This type of person isn't necessarily gay.)

Asexual: This is a person who feels no sexual attractions for anyone (there's sometimes very, very rare exceptions).. Someone who's asexual doesn't get turned on and has zero sex drive. These types of people are sometimes also aromantic, but aren't necessarily. (This type of person isn't necessarily gay.)

Bicurious: This is someone who's mostly heterosexual (straight) but wouldn't mind having sex with someone of their same sex. They aren't necessarily attracted to their same sex, they're just simply curious.. however, there's more often than not, some degree of attraction held towards the opposite sex.

Bisexual: This is someone who shares a (more or less) equal distribution of attraction among cisgender males and females.. In other words, if this person were to group together people that they find attractive, about half of their interests will be cisgender males and the other half would be cisgender females. This type of orientation is strictly attracted to cisgenders (traditional males and females).

Gay: This is an "umbrella term".. meaning that it's all-encompassing; while it's also used specifically for males attracted to males, it generally means "not straight". Hence communities are simply summed up as being "gay communities" and whatnot.

Heterosexual: Also known as "Straight" this is someone who has 100% zero interest in anyone who's of the same sex; even of depictions of the same sex. For example, someone who's heterosexual wouldn't be attracted to someone of the opposite sex who's transgender or sometimes even someone who's androgynous (see other useful terms).

Homosexual: This is nearly interchangeable with the term "Gay" minus the meaning that "Gay" holds for male on male attraction. This term really just includes anyone who isn't straight.. it's the ultimate "umbrella term".

Lesbian: This term means female on female attraction.

Pansexual: This term basically applies to anyone who can feel attracted to anyone else regardless of their sex or gender. People who're pansexual are attracted to a person's personality and typically see good looks as a bonus. A saying that pansexuals will often say is "hearts not parts".. since a pansexual doesn't care about their interest's sex but more in how they actually are as a person. A fun fact, I personally identify as pansexual. While I won't say that looks are completely thrown out of the loop, they ultimately don't have much weight in the grand scheme of things. At least for me, personally. Also, a huge misconception is that pansexuals are "attracted to everyone"... that's not true at all. We certainly do not find everyone in existence attractive.. we simply accept people by how they accept themselves.

Straight: This word has the same meaning as "Heterosexual".

Other useful terms...

Androgynous: This is someone who appears to be the opposite sex than what they are, or as a fluid mixture between both sexes. For example, a male with more "soft" features can sometimes appear to be more feminine.

Gender Binary: This is the belief that there are only two genders. (Which is actually a misunderstanding from that community.. they have the right mindset that there's two of something only it isn't "genders" that they're thinking of- but rather sexes.. a bit of an embarrassing mishap to consistently project that you believe one thing but actually mean another.. and it's misuse of language just like this that gets everyone into a big political and stressful mess.)

Heteronormativity: This is most easily explained as someone that actively suggests that being straight is the correct, and often, only way that society can/should function. Saying that being straight is the "normal and preferred sexual orientation". (Basically, people who believe in this are completely intolerant of the gay community and can't understand how anyone could be gay and that it's abnormal. These people also commonly believe that being gay is a mental illness.) Basically, this person will be making assumptions such as every girl will grow up and get a husband, or there'll only be straight characters in movies and media.

Homophobia: This often goes hand in hand with heteronormativity.. but it isn't nearly as extreme as that.. think of this as a watered down version of heteronormativity. People who're homophobic are often completely revolted by the notion that same sex couples exist. They view it as wrong for a variety of reasons, some being religion-based, or they simply stem from how the person was brought up.

LGBTQA: This is short for the gay community. It stands for: Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Queer and Asexual/Allies. You've also probably seen shortened versions of this such as LGBT.. they mean the same thing, I just added the longest version that I know of to be more productive and informal.

Polyamorous: This is a type of relationship that involves more than two partners. Basically, it's the belief that love isn't meant to be between just two people. So sometimes this is a three-way relationship between three consenting partners. Sometimes it's just one main person who's in a relationship with more than one person. It's not cheating because in the ideal polyamorous relationship, all partners are notified of each other and they all consent. This type of relationship is pretty rare. (Another fun fact, I'm currently in this type of relationship- anyone who knows me already knows this).

Queer: The original meaning of this word is "strange" or "odd"... but when applied to the LGBTQA community, it simply translates to "gay"... it can also be used to mean a homosexual man in specific. But typically, these days, it's an umbrella term for anyone who's homosexual.

Romance: A feeling of excitement when associated with love. Typically, romance is a sort of temporary puppy-love. Romance is more of a "mental attraction".. it's completely up to the person if they feel romantic feelings towards another. Some people don't get romantic feelings naturally, while most will get at least some degree of sexual lust. (I included this as it does have an interest connection in my orientation category. It's also to contrast the differences between romance and sexual attraction.. down below.)

Sexual Attraction: This is a "bodily attraction".. typically, it's the lust one's body will feel towards another person.. be this a craving or getting turned on.. a sexual attraction isn't something a person can really control. It's just simply what out bodies decide for us in what's attractive.

Sexual Preference: It's pretty self-explanatory, but this is a person's interests in relation to sex. Basically what someone will get turned on by. What sex their partner is and demonstrates are often key factors in someone's sexual preference.

Transvestite: This is a person who gets sexual pleasure from cross-dressing. This is more often than not used in a derogatory way. A Transvestite or "tranny" is often a male dressed up as a female, but isn't necessarily that. The more polite word to use is "cross-dresser".

That About Wraps Up My MyTake!

I've been working on this MyTake on and off for months on end.. I'm pretty proud to actually be completing it though! I graciously thank you deeply for reading (at least some) of my MyTake! I tried my very best to produce a very high quality guide for anyone looking to understand this type of material or to even learn some new things! I've had friends asking me to write an article on this material for YEARS! Hopefully you can now use this as a reference when trying to recall a certain word or even use this to forward to family and friends who're just as confused! I'm hoping that this will help many people with understanding others and even finding the right words to say.

Because in the end.. love should be a joyous occasion. What's wrong with a bit more love and acceptance in the world? Wouldn't we all be better off?

Hopefully after reading this you feel more at ease and understand things at least a tiny bit better :)

Have a great day! <3

~Ebby

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#LGBTQA

[lumos]

Thanks for the informative take! I don't really understand people who have such a hard time recognizing these terms. I mean sure, you might not fully understand someone else's identity, and if you don't know them then by no means you don't really have to. But going out of your way to bash these people for their identity, sexual or otherwise, is such a waste of time. They're not harming anyone or taking anything away from anyone. I think it's really cool that we have such a wide spectrum of identities and sexualities. Humans are complex, and anyone trying to state otherwise is just wrong.

[lumos]

by no means do you really have to*

[ebbyeb]

I probably couldn't have worded that any better! Humans aren't uniform in any way. Any parent of two can easily say that even though their kids have essentially (ideally) come from the same two pools of DNA... they're likely to be two completely different people. I think that part of all of this complexity, is that we're such an advanced species in terms of intellect... so when people try to compare us to our animal counterparts and try to argue that animals see things in a black in white fashion, I just get confused as to how that's honestly any form of a valid argument. Sure, if there's a species really close to our level of intellect overall, that'd be an interesting point.. but otherwise.. it's like trying to compare a fish and a horse.

[OlderAndWiser]

If you create 100,000 categories for people, almost everyone is unique and has an excuse for feeling that they don't fit in with conventional society. I don't need 100,000 labels to describe people. Call yourself whatever you want but don't expect others to join in with your name game.

[lacorine197]

this 100 %!!!

[ebbyeb]

It's not a "name game" by any means. It's simply a description just like the simplicity of saying "female" or "male" renders an expectation/result of some sort in you head. It's more about knowing that there's more than just simplicity in human nature. And, quite frankly, there's really not that many categorizations. You're only one category of each a gender, sexual orientation, and sex. It's really not as complicated as everyone tries to make it seem.

[Maik567]

Ok, I have a few questions about this.

First about gender: You described someone bigender as "person whose personality combines traits from both traditional sexes." But the fact is that everyone has both their masculine and feminine side so why not just accept that and admit that some people are more girlish or boyish and some people are more of a mix. Why do you need to invent a whole new gender for that? Same question applies to the other things too, like "agender" if you don't feel strongly about gender then why not simply just identify based on your sex if you have no feelings towards gender.

About orientation: How is ally an orientation lol? That's just a term used with almost all movements. Also you're just straight up wrong with your definition of "homosexuality." Saying that everyone who isn't heterosexual is homosexual is the same as saying that everyone who isn't heterosexual is a homosexual. It's just not true. Heterosexuality is being attracted to the opposite sex where as homosexuality is being attracted to the same sex.

Then a question about orientation, with terms like "aromantic" or "pansexual" is there a reason people have the need to go into so much detail about their sexual orientation? I mean pansexuals are basically bisexuals who feel the need to add that their attraction is based mostly on personality. I think there is a reason most straight people don't feel the need to go into so much detail about their sexuality, because it's not really something most people are gonna be interested in.

Also gender can be literally synonymous with sex. There are situations where sex = gender. I think the point that people who believe in the gender binary are trying to make is that only biological sex is meaningful and they don't care about what gender you personally identify as.

About the "LGBTQA" I've seen like a million variations of this, are there actually any official abbreviations or does everyone just use whatever abbreviation they feel like using?

I gotta admit that overall this was a pretty well written mytake tho, you definitely managed to be way more objective about your approach than most people who write about this subject.

[ebbyeb]

I didn't invent these terms, and as you pointed out, there's some weird mishaps between those two specific terms when you apply them to a real-life scenario. I personally don't exactly agree nor disagree with some of these terms, but I'm more just explaining them in a way that makes those words easier to understand since they're somewhat common and more easy to come across.

You're right! That's a mishap on my part! It's in no way an orientation, I should've placed that in other useful terms. It probably skipped over my eyes since looking at this for months things eventually started to look normal where they were.. if that makes sense? But you're completely right- an Ally isn't an orientation in the slightest.. that's a complete mishap on my part. Hmm.. yeah, that's also a good argument. Except where I disagree a tiny bit, since homosexuality isn't always just attraction to the opposite sex. That's where things get confusing with attraction when relating to transsexuals and whatnot.

[ebbyeb]

Well, they're just terms that I'm defining for someone's optimum understanding. But like you said, pansexual in specific is really just more of a focus on personality. That's the distinction. Sure, it's not exactly necessary, but it's just that different that makes it substantially different in a way. Aromantic is just the absence of romantic attractions towards anyone. It's just a way of describing to someone that you simply lack that sort of lovey-dovey link.

Yes, there's specific instances where sex and gender are practically interchangeable as in generations before this (since language is fluid).. that's the sort of meaning that it had. I'm using the modern definitions of the words, however. Yeah, and I agree with you there. People who see things as simply a gender binary are totally free to see the world in that manner, what bugs me is that they can be rude and disrespectful with their beliefs.

[ebbyeb]

The abbreviations that I provided are the only ones that I'm aware of (or even are relevant to my argument/article).. I'm sure there's been people who've gone above and beyond with those abbreviations, however, that's the abbreviation in it's longest form that I'm most familiar with and what one's most likely to see.

Thanks!! That's a very huge compliment to me :)
I definitely tried my best to lay a middle ground for each side of this issue to understand the other in a better fashion. I always try to be unbias if I can help it. Like I said, this is basically just an article to help people understand the confusing language surrounding this topic.

Thanks very much for thoroughly reading my article and providing me with this feedback! I very much appreciate it!! :)

[Maik567]

Thanks for the explanation. But the prefix 'hetero' literally means "other" or "different" aka. the opposite sex in this context. And 'homo' means "same" as in the same sex. Maybe people have started using different definitions but if you think about what the prefixes actually mean then homosexuals are strictly attracted to the same sex.

I think the two biggest reasons why this subject is so complicated to talk about is because of how differently it affects everyones lives. Some people build most of their identities around their sexuality while others couldn't care less about any of this stuff, so that can create a lot of situations where one of the parties might come off as crazy or bigoted when the real reason is just vastly differing interests.

[Maik567]

And the other problem in my opinion is kids being subjected to this way too much at an age where sexuality should not be anywhere near their priority list. Building an identity around a certain sexuality while you're going through puberty and your brain is developing at an incredible rate can obviously end up pretty badly.

If a teenager has spent the last two years convinced that they are a lesbian, joining lesbian social media groups, etc. And then she suddenly starts feeling an attraction towards guys that can be a pretty big blow to their identity.

Nobody should have their sexuality invalidated, but I think we should have a more loose approach to this rather than coming up with tons of different labels to try to group everyone somewhere and just let people (especially kids) just focus on being themselves.

[ebbyeb]

I suppose from the fixed viewpoint of prefixes, that's what makes the most sense. So I completely agree there! I suppose the exact definition that I provided was more of the "slang" of the word- more of what you'd see it more commonly used as. Not necessarily that it's 100% accurate and true to the real origin of the word, but it's as best I could do. Of course, my Take has it's flaws.

Yeah! Certainly! Everyone has been raised a different way, hence this type of language affects everyone in a different way once they read it or hear it. I suppose the main point of this MyTake was to establish more of a middle ground between the two sides.

Yeah, there's certainly a lot of pressure put on youth with these sort of things. It can definitely result in some undesired results.

Yeah.. the social pressure can have some pretty bad results on youth. I personally had a friend that went through that exact example that you've provided.

[ebbyeb]

But most certainly! The freedom for one to explore themselves should always be the top priority. In the end, what we discover for ourselves is most important. I don't think anything should be shoved into a kid's head. Guidance is necessary, of course, but being forced is something completely different.

[0112358]

I think it would be helpful to recognize that all of this is a model for thinking about reality. I don't think it's a bad, or unhelpful model. But it's a -model-.

The statement that gender is confused with sex is both entirely true and entirely misses the point.

The definition of gender here is not the definition of gender used by say early 2nd wave feminists and again not the definition of gender used prior to that. That's okay, but neither is correct nor incorrect, they are different models and the word 'gender' means different things in them.

Traditionally the word gender was used as a polite homonym for sex. So in that model, your gender was your sex, period. This wasn't a point of confusion. This was in fact what the word meant. Whatever you think gender means, it's not what gender meant to them. I think THIS often causes a point of confusion. When we discuss something like toilets, it's not altogether clear that we have a 'male gender' toilet and a 'female gender toilet'. Its possible that what we have is a 'toilet with urinals for people with a penis' and a 'toilet without for people without a penis'. To be honest, I don't think they thought much about it, but you can't assume they meant gender when often they meant gender-sex.

Early 2nd wavers (and TERF after) used gender to refer to a class of people. In their model, patriarchy is a model of society where one class, women, are oppressed for the benefit of another class, men. In this model, gender is NOT your biological reality, and it is ALSO not your internal feelings or how you identify. Gender is how you are typed/classed by society. There are only two genders in this model, because society only classed people two ways. This is factually true for how gender is defined -in that model-.

Transgender people and their allies have pushed a new model of gender, which defines gender more as your internal reality. In this model, their are naturally billions of genders if we are to be precise. Everyone has their own unique internal state and feelings about gender. There are two 'poles' perhaps, but it really doesn't make sense to say some people are 'cis' as though they all have the same internal state, while everyone else is this myriad spectrum.

Anyway... wanted to make those points.

A classic case of where maybe gender meant sex, and maybe it dien't, is regards to sexual attraction. You've defined heterosexuality as being based on attraction to the opposite gender...

[0112358]

WHile you can define it that way, it's worth noting that model may or may not be useful. It could be that heterosexuality is most meaningfully defined as attraction to the opposite sex. Note we can define it either way, but if we find most males are, for instance, under your model bisexuals with a pure preference for a certain anatomy, it's not a very helpful definition for describing people, versus using heterosexuality to refer to a sex preference.

[ebbyeb]

Very good argument. Yes, I understand what you mean by "models".. it's more like the fluidity of language throughout it's existence and how it's adopted different meanings through different eras and whatnot. I suppose this article was more "modern model" centric. But I understand your arguments and, quite frankly, this entire article is arguably a mess of subjective interpretations of societal construct and whatnot.
But great points! I knew someone would bring those up sooner or later!

[hellionthesagereborn]

No, their is only two genders. At no point have we been able to establish measurable differences that do not correlate with male or female. Their has been ample studies of the brain and they all show male or female, at no point was anything discovered that did not fall into one of those catagories, we have not found any behavior that does not fall under that category so we can say that empirically and objectively that their are only two genders. If your suggesting that any deviation of what is generally considered male/female behavior is a brand new gender then you are mistaken. That would be like claiming that some one who is left handed is no longer human, or someone born with a different skin color is a different species, that's simply not how it works. Their will always be some variation but those minor differences do not dictate that we are completely separate groups. Its actually rather disturbing how the left has pushed for so much division all while claiming to be inclusive (how can you divide people into groups if your also claiming we are one group?). So this is incorrect. The fact is transexualism proves this as all those who are clinically diagnosed with it feel like the opposite gender I. e. not some indistinct third (or thirty third) gender that we cannot clearly define (as most who claim this cannot define it themselves and cannot prove that they are some how different then their actual given gender/sex (the reason why these two are lumped together is because they are for over 99% of the population indistinguishable from one another).). Sexual orientation is also much more simple then you are representing it. Yes it tends to have a gradient (as all behavior does, every one feels anger, doesn't mean every one feels it as frequently or the same degree, for example) however we are gender binary as per all biological and psychological data. Ergo one cannot be pansexual because their is not multiple genders/sexes. You can claim they are attracted to personality, fine, but so are a lot of people. I find people attractive on a personality level, doesn't mean I am pansexual it means I find women more attractive based upon personality. We have no data to support pansexualism or most of the other isms people use to define their sexuality. We have heterosexuals, bisexuals, homosexuals. One can argue we have asexuals but that could very well be due to hormonal issues reducing sex drive or trauma rather then a set biological state.

[hellionthesagereborn]

Even that though is rather irrelevant as they comprise, together, with the most liberal estimates only 10% of the population (and most of those are homosexual not any other deviation). As for the term Heteronormative, yes that's actually exactly what humans are, heterosexual is the norm as again at the most conservative estimates 90% of the population falls under this category and from a biological perspective the only way a human being can reproduce, which is the singular purpose of biological life, is with some one of the opposite gender meaning that if we where not heteronormative then we would not be able to exist as a species, we have however and thus this alone is evidence (beyond all other evidence I have given and have not given) that we are in fact a heteronormative species. In fact couples who function within their given gender roles are actually much happier then those who don't, children raised in these homes do better etc.

[hellionthesagereborn]

Homophobia is an umbrella term used by leftist to attack (the person not the argument) of any one who questions them. I knew a man who was as the left likes to say "homophobic", the reason was because a gay man sexually assaulted him repeatedly, then when he called the guy out every society said he was the one who was "homophobic" i. e. because he was upset with being sexually assaulted by a gay man he was some how intolerant. When you point out that homosexuality is not the norm, leftist use this term to imply that you some how hate gay people when in fact it has nothing to do with that. Its not really a term that has any meaning beyond a thinly veiled attempt at shaming people into silence when they speak up. In short your asking that every one in the world alter their behavior, their speech patterns, ignore tradition, ignore the things that will be most likely to make them happy because a tiny fraction of people don't fit that mold. That's absurd.

[ebbyeb]

I'm not asking for any of that?
I'm just listing definitions of words fam. I've never even directly said if I even agree to this stuff.. You do realize that do you not?
Of course, I obviously do, having spent all the time that I have writing this article. However, again, I'm not fond of everything it contains. But that wasn't the point. Was it now? The point was to have an overall better explanation about some tricky and often misunderstood language regarding this type of material.

[hellionthesagereborn]

Why did I act as if you believed it? Because, "Of course, I obviously do, having spent all the time that I have writing this article". So the question why act as if it was wrong to presume that you believed this when you fully admitted that you do? Why act as if it was wrong to make that assumption when your article makes these statements as if they are fact when they are not? What you wrote is inaccurate, I was pointing that out. Gender and sex are one and the same, are their exceptions? Of course, but its rare, so rare that trying to demand that we all acknowledge them as separate is absurd. What you listed was not scientifically accurate and it was presumptious, it presumed that these things where true when they are not. I was merely pointing out that scientifically and logically your statements are inaccurate.

[hellionthesagereborn]

So claiming that these things are misunderstood is to claim that we are misunderstanding them because our view is wrong. Its not. We know for a fact that their are not multiple genders, period. That's not something that is negotiable, or arguable. We know their are several very clear cut differences between men and women from brain structures, sizes, ratio of grey to white matter etc. No one has as of yet been able to show that their is some kind of third brain type. We know that transgender people have a brain type that is like the gender they identify as, again their has been no evidence of any kind of some third gender ergo gender and sex are one and the same and acting as if they are not is the same as acting as if a person born blind is not a human.

[ebbyeb]

Who's "we"?

You mean you?

[hellionthesagereborn]

No, I mean we. Your "guide" was directed towards those who disagree with your view point. That would include me and many many other people ergo "We" was in fact the accurate term.

[ebbyeb]

Lots of people appreciated my article.. Those who actually read it 🤔 The majority of anyone "disagreeing" with me actually didn't even bother to read my arguments. They just got immediately triggered upon seeing the topic title and took it upon themselves to rant about their opinions on this topic without even giving two cents towards what I've actually written. A load of hot heads.. Those who I was able to actually speak to, even if they disagreed with my points, were able to reason with me and reach a middle ground. Which I completely appreciate on their parts as its really mature to handle that sort of thing. Yes, this is a touchy topic, but that doesn't mean others are immediately entitled to simply be flat out rude about it. It's just immature quite frankly.

[hellionthesagereborn]

I did read the article, that was fairly obvious considering that I addressed specific points you made. No, most did not (from what I counted at least 23 of the male responses where negative) find it informative or appreciated it. Further more that is known in logic as an ad populum fallacy, an appeal to the masses. It doesn't matter if a few, majority, or all people believe something, it has no impact on the validity of that belief. As I stated we know scientifically beyond any doubt what so ever that their are male and female genders and not once have we found any evidence for a third let alone 37 gender. Transgender people have a brain structure and composition that matches the gender they identify as, not a third type of brain structure, a brain structure that is either male or female. Their is no arguing this, as stated Harvard did a meta study even on a 1,000 different studies all of which where quite conclusively showing that their is a male and female brain only.

[hellionthesagereborn]

Further more the claim of a "middle ground" is also logically fallacious, as again assuming a middle ground has nothing to do with whether or not something is right. If I believe that 2+2=6 and you believe that 2+2=8 and then we both agree that its 7, the "middle ground", then that does not mean the answer is seven, it means we are both wrong. I am not being rude and have not been rude as of yet, what I was, was being accurate. I am sorry that you think objective evidence is rude or that not agreeing with you is rude but its not its simply stating facts. As for immaturity, I personally believe insulting a person whom corrected you, ignoring all the criticism, pointing out the handful of agreements and then using logical fallacies to attack a person rather then actually attacking the argument is immature. I think claiming that I was rude when I was nothing but polite simply because I didn't patronize you by pretending something was correct when it wasn't is immature.

[hellionthesagereborn]

I don't get triggered, that's what people who can't handle being questioned get, I question everything all the time myself included. If you have data, scientific objective data to back your claims (as I pointed out you don't because all the data shows the exact opposite of what your saying) then fine, but do not get upset at me for not going along with your ideas. This is not how the real world works, objective fact will always be fact, truth will always be the truth no amount of wishing or attempts at rationalization will alter this. Grow up and learn to accept criticism, your going to experience a lot of it (which is not a bad thing as it forces us to accept truths and become better people IF you are able to learn from it) if you refuse to adhere to objective truth.

[ebbyeb]

Quite frankly this is something that I've noticed more lately.. It's a weird flaw that I have that makes me seem really pigheaded. 🤔 I've noticed that sometimes I legit struggle really hard to see how people don't deter from their logic. Like, it's really weird.. Psychologically.. I'll completely (usually) understand where they're coming from 100%.. But it's just what all comes after that that complicates things. Definitely something I need to self-improve on.. As I always actively work upon that.
As for our debate, sorry this wasn't a true response to all you've written.. But at this point I think it's best just to agree to disagree. I've been having one hell of a week ngl

[hellionthesagereborn]

fair enough

[ebbyeb]

Lol sorry 😅 Good day to you

[meowcow]

This take is entirely bullshit. This is the ultimate guide to stupidity.

Sex and gender have been interchangeably used for centuries.

The only thing that has changed today is that LGBT people have taken words that already had a defined meaning, and tried to reinvent them. People are confused because now there are all these other definitions and words that don't actually exist.

When you have to write all this garbage to try to explain the very basic concepts of sex and gender to the general public, you know it's all fake, made up shit.

Here's an example...

The word..."cis-gender". This is by far the most retarded word that has been created by trans people. Cis-gender meaning that you identify with the gender matching your genitals.

So basically "cis-gender" means the 99.99% of normal human beings who know they are a boy because they have a penis, or that they know they are a girl because they have a vagina.

The remaining <0.01% of the people who have some mental disorder, psychological problem, developmental problem... who don't know what their gender is... falls within the other categories of "agender" "non-gender" "two-spirit". Even so, these categories are simply made up, based on no science, no evidence, and promoted by people with no education on the subject, and they simply blog from their own personal experience.

It's like believe the bloggings of a bipolar schizophrenic that they are normal, and the rest of you... the 99.99%... are the actual ones that are not normal.

These people are ill, and a detriment to society when left untreated. We don't tell mentally ill people "Yes Bob, the walls are indeed talking to you and telling you to jump off a cliff". Why the fuck are we entertaining the ideas of trans people to they can transform into a male/female on a daily basis simply by "thinking" they are a male or female?

This is the stupidity of the human race at its finest.

[ebbyeb]

The terms have indeed been somewhat interchangeable for centuries. Doesn't mean that they're the exact same word though. I suppose you could say that this is the most modern understanding of these terms. A defining.

Language is fluid. There's lots of different changes to words- nothing is altered dramatically though. None of this stuff is made up. You're simply ignorant to a lot of it. That's not exactly your fault, though, as it's clear to me that you have had practically zero exposure to this sort of stuff in person.

And no? This is in no way anything "fake" or made up. I wrote all of this based off of my personal experiences and after doing extensive research on the meanings of certain words to give the reader the ultimate understanding of this sort of material. There's too many uneducated people out there who'll simply jump to conclusions and be immediately triggered upon hearing certain words (such as yourself).

[ebbyeb]

Do you read any classic literature per chance? If you do, you'd be more educated on the fact that most every great author has included some sort of underlying LGBT character or tone. It's an important part of our human society and most people are either simply not exposed to this sort of stuff (so they're blind to it) or they simply are too close-minded to try and interpret the world around them more.

And actually, science has shown that most people actually aren't even heterosexual 100%. I won't get into that much further, as you obviously aren't capable of such a conversation seeing your obvious close-minded and arrogant nature.

The term "normal" is completely subjective.

You clearly haven't had much experience with this sort of material. I'm sorry that you can't even provide the slightest amount of leeway to understanding the other side of things.

[ebbyeb]

I've never claimed to be trans?

Also I will absolutely not stand for you insulting me. If you can't have a polite and respectful debate with me, you can stay within your close-minded state and think what you want. Whatever floats your boat pal. Just get off of my article.

[LogicBomber]

Regardless of the social justice circus, claiming anything other than male (XY) or female (XX) is simply accepting mental disorder as a "normal". Gender Dysphoria is not a normal mental state.

Just like you can not pick your age, you can not pick your sex.
If someone identifies as 14 when they are 40, are we going to let them hang around with 14 year old children because they claim they are 14? NO. Because they obviously have a mental issues.

If you believe gender is malleable, then you will open up every other mental illness to the stage of normalization.
Pedophilia would have to be free for it is a sexual preference like gay or straight which you can not just stop or change, so therefore it should not be shamed discriminated against.

Someone could identify as a cat (and actually believe it) and not work or pay taxes... would we allow that? NO, it would be seen as the mental disorder it is.

Although peoples human rights should not be taken away for their mental illnesses, society should not have to conform to it and normalize it.

[damnwinter]

Actually there are people who identify as cats. And other animals. And they think it's their right to act as such. They are now fighting for social acceptance regarding going out on a leash with their human ''owners''. Yes. It's this messed up.

[LogicBomber]

@damnwinter Right, it is messed up, and yet here we are trying to normalize men getting their penis pushed up inside them and calling themselves women and women getting prosthetic penis' and claiming to be male.

[damnwinter]

:D LOL true

[ebbyeb]

@LogicBomber It's an interesting sidenote.. But it does actually apply directly to you. You seem to jump straight to the weirdest and most irrelevant examples that hardly apply to anyone and make your post about that and that's what your mental illness is but then what I've said and my arguably relative examples are ignored and hardly even approached. It's funny. Maybe there's nothing to say really? I've completely lost count of how many times I've seen that exact method of arguing that side in just this article alone.

[LogicBomber]

What do you consider the "weirdest and most irrelevant" examples?

[ebbyeb]

There's hardly anybody who truly identifies sexually as an attack helicopter or a cat or anything like that. That's utterly unnatural and, quite frankly, doesn't really apply to anybody in the LGBTQA community. Arguably, that sort of indentification is something all on its own. And quite frankly, the reason that sort of abnormal interest is even known is because those people outwardly gloat about it. Quite frankly, it's probably most likely for attention.. Which people will do nearly anything for these days. And I know plenty of members of this community and not once have I even encountered this sort of phenomena. Again, it arguably doesn't even exist in a true form. And if it does, it's guaranteed to be relevant to less than a thousand people (probably way less) when you take the entirety of the human population into account.

[LogicBomber]

Oh, right the LGBTQALMNOPQURSTVWXYZ community.
Every year they add a new letter to "include" some other newly created sub-group of people.
What exactly does this new A letter include, aliens or abnormals?

You don't have issues claiming people are claiming to be things for attention, but you don't think a male claiming to be female or a female claiming to be male isn't a mental disorder?

If the number of people who are included makes the mental disorder relevant, why are we not adding P for pedophiles, since it is a sexual orientation that these people can't actually control and is more than just a "few" people?

Like I said above. If you normalize mental illness, you have to start normalizing other mental illnesses. You can't pick and choose.

[ebbyeb]

It's obvious that this is getting nowhere with you lol

[Mike100745]

I didn’t even read it. There are TWO genders, MALE and FEMALE. Anyone who thinks they’re something else is mentally ill. It’s not like being gay where you literally attracted to the same sex. It’s just crazy weirdos. And sadly, most Americans are pleading and giving these weirdos attention! What!

Live your life how you want. If you want to be another gender do as you wish. But don’t you DARE try and make people who disagree with it be bad guys. EVERYONE is entitled to have their own opinion. You can’t force everyone to agree with the ridiculous 100 genders you people have created and they are doing NOTHING WRONG by disagreeing. Let people live their lives.

[DJZest]

No, man. America is waking up. Why do you think Trump got elected? People are sick of this kind of stuff, such as: see the article above.

[ebbyeb]

@Mike100745 that's so rude. Don't write negative stuff about something that you're clearly ignorant to and haven't even bothered reading as you've clearly stated. Give this take a read or don't respond to me. If you want to rant about that stuff then make your own MyTake or question but don't dump it here. Especially after being so disrespectful as to not even read an article that I spent months writing.

[Mike100745]

I didn’t read it because I am 98% sure your gonna give the same old arguments. I’m sick of it. There are two genders. That is my opinion and I’m entitled to it. If you think there is 100+ genders that’s your business but don’t you dare try to call people who disagree “Transphobic”. Just because people disagree with you doesn’t mean their wrong. You people need to learn that

[ebbyeb]

So you don't read my article but then spew out a bunch of stuff that potentially isn't even at all related to my article because your bias based off of an expectation or two? That's pretty rude. No, not necessarily having someone disagree with me means that they're automatically wrong. But again, I'd like to at least point out that my arguments are based off of the definitions of the English language whereas any opposing argument is laced with bias and nothing much else. Sure, you can believe whatever you want to. Whatever floats your boat. It's annoying how easily people get rude and will flash their opinion disrespectfully.. While not even reading what they're talking about 🙄

[Mike100745]

I don’t have to read your ridiculous statements if I don’t have to

[ebbyeb]

Lol then go find something else to do 😂

[lord_chilled]

Good take.
I do think agender and bigender are kinda lazy terms tough ( for those who made them. I know you didn't come up with the terms)

I think other than being normal/cis or transgender, pretty much everyone identifies more or less with the masculine or the feminine gender. A and bi, seem to be kind of an asspull honestly.
Its like they needed more options to fill and decided to go with the both together and one without either.

[ebbyeb]

Thank you!

Yeahh there's some weird terms out there that I don't exactly like either, but I included stuff I thought one would be likely to see when getting exposed to this sort of information.

[lord_chilled]

Yeah, thanks. The gender ones were the ones i didn't know. And some other definitions werent completely clear to me until now, after seeing the take

[ebbyeb]

Yeah I just tried to clear some things up so I'm glad I succeeded with that!
Yeah all those words and confusing lol some I wasn't even sure on so I just took a learning journey I suppose

[Hans222]

Oh my goodness, that's an encyclopedia on the matter :D
You can see that you're a very intelligent person, Einstein would have to read it twice Ebby!
Nevertheless, you invested a lot of time in this and it's a great job, of course :D

[ebbyeb]

Haha thanks so very much!! :) That's very sweet of you to say! Made my entire day actually! Won't lie, all the bashing I'm getting can be quite whittling to my spirits somewhat. I'm glad you enjoyed my MyTake though!

[Hans222]

You're most welcome, deserved compliments are a pleasure to give :D

[Bandit74]

I don't see the value in even having the term gender if there isn't any clearly defined criteria required to identify as one gender over another.

"Basically a feminine/girly tomboy"

And what does it mean to be masculine or feminine?

I thought you people considered those terms to arbitrary social constructs.

[ebbyeb]

Who's "you people"?
I don't understand what you're blaming me for?

[Water_Bottle]

"There are only TWO sexes. This is according to the physical form your body has."

This isn't even accurate. Your sex is based on your genetic make-up not the "physical form your body has" as there are cases where you get individuals born with strange combinations or "no" characteristics at all such as a missing penis or vagina. Yes, that actually happens, you can be born without genitals.

I don't know; when someone writes stuff like this they just... half the time it's disappointingly inaccurate on it's face. You rarely get past the first paragraph without finding a glaring error and that tips you off to the idea that the rest is going to be based on that glaring error.

[ebbyeb]

Yeah... I mentioned that. Hermaphroditism.

The definition of one's sex IS based on the physical form that you body has.. Whether there's official more than two is debatable considering genetic mutations and whatnot but typically I'd say that there's two.

Also if you haven't already please do give the rest of my article a read as it seems you didn't.

[Water_Bottle]

Hermaphorditism is not Super-Male or Super-Female syndrome. Also, no, it is based on your genetics; this was proven by the David Reimer (http://articles. latimes. com/2004/may/13/local/me-reimer13) case. Gender and Biology have some kind of disconnect and while I'm not going to cover XXY and XYY in depth you can actually have two XXs and be male (https://en. wikipedia. org/wiki/Klinefelter_syndrome) which is not inclusive of having "both parts".

Even under your consideration there are four: both genital sets, one or the other genital set and no genitalia at all (which you didn't cover, which would leave out some portion of the population, which is ironic for a MyTake on the full expression of a spectrum) but nevermind.

I'm going to give up on life.

[ebbyeb]

Yeah. Hermaphrodites are a weird "inter-sex" mutation, but for the most part have a more dominant and/or prevalent sex.
You're right in that I didn't specifically mention those exact examples, however I did actually cover that genre by describing genetic mutations of humans. Maybe you missed that part.

[Water_Bottle]

It is interesting to me that you refer to a group (that isn't even that rare) in passing but go into great depth on everything else when in fact other people do the exact same thing on what you went into depth with. To commit the same crime in the name of saving time with the notion of "educating" seems so...

I do like it.

There are only two sexualities. The rest are just "mutations".

[ebbyeb]

I'm confused as to what you're conveying in that first paragraph.

But he's, there's two sexes for the most part. Just like with other species of animals. There are indeed some odd circumstances where there's someone who's a hermaphrodite. But all in all that's about it.

It appears there's a disconnect in what we're conveying since it appears to me that we're saying the same thing?

[Water_Bottle]

Dismissal of a complex concept followed by depth of another is just counterintuitive.

I mean if we want to talk about gender there really are only two for the most part.

If you want to talk about sexuality there's really only one for the most part with an easy 85+% of humans being heterosexual.

The degree of severity must be tempered with the finest tools otherwise all is for naught and fundamentally it becomes not worth saying.

In this case it either is or is not; the diverse nature of humanity isn't all that diverse honestly.

[ebbyeb]

I'll just sum up by saying humanity is extremely diverse. Ask any parent with more than one kid to confirm that even though the kids are (assumedly) formed from the same parents and even gene pool.. That they're still completely different people.. Even being raised under (assumedly) the same household and in the same (or relatively similar) manner.. Even twins are two completely different people.
If that's not diverse.. I'm not really sure what is lol

[BellePepper]

This is REALLY comprehensive! You did an awesome job!

[ebbyeb]

Thank you! Months of hard work! :)

[BellePepper]

Well it was definitely worth the effort!

[ebbyeb]

Thank you that's really sweet :) <3

[keenns]

The amount of bashing on this post is truly heartbreaking... This is a great MyTake and I wish more people on this site were more open-minded. Thank you for posting this!

[ebbyeb]

Yeah.. it's a bit whittling to my spirits to say the least.. most people make it obvious that they haven't even bothered to read it! But thanks a lot for the very kind words! :)

[I-am-a-nobody]

As Archie Bunker of "All in the Family" used to sing:

"And you knew who you were then...
Goils were goils and men were men"

Yes, those WERE the days.

It used to be, we knew boys from girls before kindergarten and we didn't need 10000 words of explanation. Instead we learned to read, write and do math at a level beyond 5th grade.

[ebbyeb]

Okay then? But can you actually at least read my argument as it seems you didn't and just immediately assumed my arguments (like most others).. I'm sure we agree on more than you'd initially think.

[Djaaay]

Why is it , when you were born , the doctor announced your physical identity to the parent (s) immediately upon visually what you truly are? Why is it that you failed to become exactly what you were born as ?

[ebbyeb]

The doctor would've announced your birth sex. I explained that in my article if you even bothered to read it.

[Djaaay]

Asker... I wasn't referring to you , just others who are on the take. Your take was good.

[ebbyeb]

Sorry, it's hard to discern tone over text. But thanks!

[Djaaay]

Asker , yea I should have made this opinion alittle more clear. Anyhow , it's an addendum to your take actually.

[AllThatSweetJazz]

There's two genders and some grey and fringe area, there's no reason to think there's more than two genders. But even if there is, there's still no reason why it really matters. There's no need to take people's gender into consideration when doing anything other than making nice, but could occur for anything they believe, be they correct or mistaken.

I know of transsexuals that refer to themselves as trannies by the way.

[ebbyeb]

If there's a grey area doesn't that mean that it's simply vague and relatively unknown for most? By what you said it appears like you recognize a wriggle room of some sort but don't feel like a label is necessary.

[AllThatSweetJazz]

It means some people are more masculine or feminine than others and some people are extremely masculine or feminine, like way beyond the norm.

[ebbyeb]

Ah gotcha. Well.. There just so happens to be names for some parts of that grey area and those classifications come across as different genders.

[AllThatSweetJazz]

There's names to describe the grey area. They're not different genders.

[ebbyeb]

Could you provide me with some examples for better context?

[AllThatSweetJazz]

Take androgyny as an example.
There's also what you've called 'transsexual,' I don't agree with the naming, but I agree with the concept.

[ebbyeb]

Ah gotcha.. Well, I was just doing it based off of the definitions that I've come across 😅 The explanation might've been a bit rough perhaps?

[AllThatSweetJazz]

Perhaps, but that's not my core issue, it's the more than two genders thing that I really want to challenge.

[naraku]

Good take.

Personally I think preference and orientation is open to the interpretation of the individual. If someone has pansexual tendencies or whay

However, I only acknowledge two sexes.

[ebbyeb]

Yeah, they're subjective. Just like anything in our society is. It's just what people will identify as to better explain themselves I suppose.

There are only two real sexes.. apart from hermaphrodites I suppose? But even with those there's still a dominant sex.

[FatherJack]

You have XX or XY chromosomes , creating a biological female / biological male..., lets just keep it simple , who cares which team they bat for , providing they don't shove it down the throats of others and / or attempt to harm others in any way !! All this artificial division is EXACTLY what the real " Powers That Be " want , don't play into their hands !!

[ebbyeb]

People just have a way to better express themselves really.

[EllieAyye]

You're either male or female an from there gay, straight, or bisexual. The end. No amount of surgery and disfigurement to your body is going to change that. Get over it. Call if whatever you want, but no matter how many different labels you slap on it, you are what you were born to be. And if you think you are something different then you have a mental disorder.

In the end, do you. I don't care what you are or what you call yourself. If you were born male but want to be called by female pronouns, I have no problem obliging. Don't care if you want to try gender reassignment surgery, either. Again, do you. But some people need a reality check and need to accept that all these different labels people are coming up with is just society encouraging a disorder instead of trying to treat it.

[ebbyeb]

So.. You at least recognize the two sexes that are most relevant (as hermaphordites are an arguable third sex) and then the three most common sexual orientations.

[martyfellow]

Scientists wouldn’t agree about multiple ‘genders’ Multiple ‘orientations’, maybe, but to scientists, there are still only 2 genders, sorry. And to most other people.. it’s only the narrow segment of ‘trendy’ unscientific people that think they can redefine what words mean.

[ebbyeb]

You've already made it clear that you haven't read this MyTake.. so can you now at least read it before commenting further?

[DanoMR98]

This is honestly just so far from reality, it's almost like you're speaking in bad faith.

There is male, there is female, there is mental disorder. Only those three things.

The word gender has been hijacked by cultural Marxists. Make no mistake, it means the same thing as sex.

[ebbyeb]

I don't know what kind of accusation you've made against me? But I'll just ignore it and try to make conversation with you.

Have you at least scanned the article for a general understanding or are you just here preaching what you believe without context in the article that you're supposedly posting about? As it appears you haven't. Also please do elaborate on what you mean by mental illness.

[DanoMR98]

Yes, I did read it. My SJW high school AP psych teacher made me listen to this same stuff. I would've called her out on it, but I didn't have the balls to call out a teacher. In fact, she used that exact same genderbread man pictured in your article.

If you aren't a male or female, you're clearly sick in the head. Many of the differences between male and female in a social sense are cultural. Wanting to wear a dress or being attracted to men doesn't make you female. Gender means the same thing as sex. People are trying to redefine it, but I will resist that redefinition. It was always meant to be the same word. To believe that you can have two or more genders or that you can change yours or be born the wrong one is just absurd. How masculine you are or feminine you are doesn't determine gender. There's XX, XY and a number or unfortunate birth defects.

It would be best if we tried not to damage the family unit anymore with this degeneracy.

[DanoMR98]

By the way I am an atheist, so there is no god related justification or backbone to my argument.

[ebbyeb]

I mean- not really. That's your opinion. I'm simply relaying the information via definitions that's out there. You don't have to agree with me. You can use the terms gender and sex interchangeably. Sure, it's not correct by definition, but who am I to say you can or can't use whatever language of your choosing? Right? This is simply meant to be a guide for people to better understand the differences between the two. You can choose to be ignorant to them as many do and are, and hey, that's your choice. I just ask that you (and similar company) at least respect that this is really relevant to an entire community of people out there. So as long as there's respect, I think you can agree to disagree with a lot of this. Seems fair?

[DanoMR98]

It's really not incorrect. The people who want to change our definition of 'gender' are social engineers. When the word gender was invented, some blue haired fat girl with problem glasses listing off three strange genders she identifies with was not what people had in mind.

The people who are trying to have this "gender revolt"(as I've seen it called) are honestly sick. They don't understand the social/cultural consequences of this as a political movement or that it's just plain nonsense--a line they've been fed by their SJW professors. I can't respect them and I don't respect them. I will be polite and cordial to them, but do I respect them or their identity? Absolutely not. I will not use my vote to validate their inane politics either.

How did it go from "C'mon, just let the LGB get married" to "Help your child transition or you're a bigot" as the narrative in less than a decade? Now they want to completely distort the idea of gender? Pedophilia and bestiality is on its way.

[ebbyeb]

There's not really a "they".. I'm really not getting too political here.. I simply listed definitions for people to understand better. If you noticed, I never once said that I agree with these 100% because I certainly don't. This is just to lay the groundwork for the basic understandings of some, rather confusing, language that happens to surround political issues. I'm not even necessarily liberal.. As I think that's where you're getting to.
I'm quite glad that you're at least not rude towards the community! Some people simply don't understand how some people can just simply love or feel in a way different from them.
I'm not saying that people don't take things to the extreme with this, they do.. And I don't necessarily agree with everything.
But again, I hate all the rifts between every side of this issue. I figured that the very start of this issue is understanding the difference between sex and gender. I later threw in orientation since it's somewhat related also.