What People Don't Know About Illegal Guns and Mass Shootings

[sexyasianboi26]

First off let me get this out of the way. I am a gun owner, registered and licensed. I've been a democrat all my life (even bought my first gun and was registered as a democrat), and as I grew older I became more conservative and now consider myself as a patriot (I did serve in the Military). One thing that I hate and dislike about anti-gun people is that they are misinformed about illegal guns. For anti-gun people, they wholeheartedly believe that crimes, shootings, and mass-shootings involve "Legally" owned guns. The truth is, the percentage of legal guns involved is very small.

"A 2015 study by the University of Chicago suggested that only 11% of guns involved in crimes in Chicago were purchased through federally licensed gun dealers, which require background searches." https://www.chicagocriminallawyerblog.net/2017/09/where-do-all-illegal-guns-from-chicago.html

What is the difference between a legal and illegal gun?

A legal gun is produced through legal means. A company like Colt produces guns like AR-15's. Every part of the AR-15 from the ore mineral that is made to a nozzle is traceable. Gun production is treated like any other production. Examples from batches will be selected for testing, quality and control. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (aka ATF), is present during the testing, quality and control to make sure certain rules are followed.

Now, onto my next point. The picture above is worth a thousand words. Danao City Philippines is the black market capital for illegal handgun manufacturing. An illegally made handgun from Danao is around $150. When it arrives in US soil, the price rises up to $700-2000 depending on your dealer. Keep in mind, just because it is illegally sold, it doesn't mean its much cheaper than their legal counterpart. Sometimes it costs more. These illegal handguns only becomes traceable when it is seized by authorities and are micro-stamped.

Mass Shootings:

-In the year 2017, there were 61,603 cases of Gun Violence and Crimes involving guns, 15,613 deaths and 346 cases of mass shootings. http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/

- "All stolen guns are available to criminals by definition. Recent studies of adult and juvenile offenders show that many have either stolen a firearm or kept, sold, or traded a stolen firearm:
According to the 1991 Survey of State Prison Inmates, among those inmates who possessed a handgun, 9% had acquired it through theft, and 28% had acquired it through an illegal
market such as a drug dealer or fence. Of all inmates, 10% had stolen at least one gun, and 11% had sold or traded stolen guns." https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/GUIC.PDF

My note: In the above study, we can only assume that 42% of the missing information is whether criminals acquired guns through legal or unknown means. 58% of the inmates acquired their guns Illegally.

- 590 Deaths resulted from Mass Shootings in 2017. https://www.massshootingtracker.org/data/2017

Conflicting sources: The question is, are legal guns more relevant in mass shootings than illegal guns? The NYTimes, and Washingtonpost believes so. "Shooters often carried more than one weapon; one was found with 24. At least 167 of mass shooters’ weapons were obtained legally and 49 were obtained illegally. It’s unclear how 76 weapons were acquired." https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/national/mass-shootings-in-america/?utm_term=.f0a69954cf9d

With NYTimes and Washingtonpost, I take everything they say with a grain of salt. My reason for that is that these two lied to the people with their "93% chance of Hillary winning" BS.

The Math and Conclusion: If you do the math 346 mass shootings /divided by 61,603 = 0.5%.

In the case of gun violence and gun crime, mass shootings are very rare, and the chances of it happening per 60,000 cases are less than 1%.

- 590 mass shooting deaths /divided by 15,613 total deaths = 3.77%. Out of 15, 613 Gun Violence and Gun Crime deaths in 2017, approximately 4% of it were from mass shootings.

Illegal guns being smuggled, trafficked and flowed to US soil is the problem folks, not the legal guns. Border Patrol in Texas cannot go to Mexico to a suspected origin of smuggled guns. My proposed solution to this is a flexible international law, and a flexible jurisdiction in certain problematic "countries" or "places" where illegal guns originate from. My goal was to inform you people, not change your political view on guns. Thank you.

[Anonymous]

I am so glad someone put it out there.
Thank you for the post sir, and thank you for your service.
I'm not American but I do keep up with everything from culture to politics as much as I can and its a shame to see the way these leftist are fighting for less rights, segregation, more government control.
At times I feel more American than the current American leftists. 😅

[Anonymous]

Criminals and crazy people always find a way to get their hands on a gun illegally. Preventing ordinary people to obtain guns legally, only leaves them defenseless and vulnerable to criminals and gives the criminals an advantage.
If mass shooters were afraid of someone in the croud shooting back at them, they probably wouldn't dare to sneak out of their coward, sorry ass, utter stupidity to shoot innocent people.
I think schools need WALLS and a simple metal detector to solve the issue. Or even one armed guard would be enough to scare off the majority of the cowards.
A lot of criminals also seem to get their hands on other equipment besides guns that they use to their mean end, and that stuff is combat stuff and isn't even sold in stores like guns are. Hence the recent cases.
Plus, idiots have caused mass destruction by using things as simple as... dang, I don't want to mention it and... never mind. I'm sure y'all know about some of the recent cases.
Another thing is that mass shooters, specially the dumb kind which usually show up in schools, actually FEED ON THE NEGATIVE ATTENTION FROM THE MEDIA. They are sick people who just want attention. They think they can prove they are strong and invincible if they surprise shoot some innocent underage kids. I wouldn't completely sensor the incidents' info, since that would be limiting the freedom of press. But I would not allow media to make HEADLINES out of it. After all, if you want to get more viewers and make more money, you shouldn't be able to do it by harming your own society. HEADLINES should be illegal. Instead they should just post very brief basics about each incident, in chronological order on a. gov website, just so people know where to find it if needed, and prevent all other websites from copying it.
Plus, if you had experienced living in a non-democracy in a third-world country and witnessed an unfair and inhumane crackdown on innocent people and minimum wage workers demonstrating for their paychecks, you would feel blessed for our right to bear arms, and think twice before attempting to oppose it. Read about it. It's true.

[WalterRadio]

You are quite right that the biggest problem with gun banners is their utter ignorance of firearms and the laws in place.

Let's point out that in Chicago, nearly every murder is committed by an illegally owned gun. Until just a few years ago, Chicago residents were not allowed to own guns, and visitors were not allowed to have guns with them. And in any event, Illinois has a 100% background check requirement in the form of a FOID. Criminals don't have FOIDs.

"590 Deaths resulted from Mass Shootings in 2017"
That is incorrect, as that list is not the typical definition of a mass shooting. From that list, only 86 deaths, the majority at LV, are from what most people consider a mass shooting, maybe a few more that are not apparent. Almost every identified event on that list is a domestic dispute. Even Sutherland Springs was intended as a domestic event, but it didn't turn out that way.

The majority of murder victims are killed by someone they know, whether it involves a gun or not, and is more likely to be from fists than a rifle. Most good people don't care about this, because most of us do not associate with potentially violent people. That list merely reflects that statistic.

How to reduce domestic violence is different than how to reduce pscyhopaths and terrorists, which is also different than how to reduce other kinds of murders.

"are legal guns more relevant in mass shootings"
One should only consider RAMDOM mass shootings and terrorism, not domestic disputes or gang wars, as that is what people are afraid of. Most do obtain their guns legally, but in many cases, only because the government failed to enforce the law upon itself. Orlando, Parkland, Sutherland Springs, Charlotte, and San Bernardio are all cases where the government had information that could have prevented the massacre, but refused to act. Virginia Tech, Sandy Hook, Aurora, Tucson, Columbine, and several others, the government should have had information, but existing HIPPA laws prevented those who knew the killer was mentally ill and a danger from providing that information to the government.

"If you do the math"
You should only consider random mass shootings and terrorism, and the numbers will drop much more.

[surferfelix]

Be careful when making points using statistics.
For 1) Chicago is very specific and you can use specific statistics to persuade people to your liking (even though I know it wasn't your intention).
I can do the same here for example; of the deadliest mass shootings almost all of them were done with legal weapons
nationalpost.com/.../mass-shooters-use-loopholes-lapses-in-checks-to-get-guns

Second) and this is my personal opinion, is that there's a difference between people who have access to weapons, and between criminals who have access to weapons. As in, criminals are very targeted in who they attack, whilst people who develop mental health problems are not. The thought of randomly being shot down for no reason is what frightens people the most, the average person hopefully doesn't need to worry about getting shot for doing the wrong things to the wrong people.

Again I can use statistics to support my claim by saying that in countries where guns are not as easily attainable legally, you very rarely find mass shootings in random locations.

I strongly believe in the B=MAT model, Behaviour= Motivation, Ability, Trigger. You are increasing one's ability to commit a crime so they don't need as much trigger or motivation to do so.

[sexyasianboi26]

I was very clear with what I shared. Though I wish There was an edit button because I regret not putting in certain equations and statistics.

Lets do some 5th grade math and pretend Illegal guns don’t exist for this scenario. According to a 2009 survey, the US has over 300 million guns. In 2017 there were 61,603 cases of gun violence and gun crimes. So lets assume that 3 guns were used per case and they were all legal (A pistol, a shotgun and a rifle). 61,603x 3= 184,809.

184,809 guns/300 million guns = 0.00061603%.

.06% out of 300 million guns are used in Gun Violence and Crimes. That means 99.94% are safely accounted for by sane and responsible owners.

The 300 million data is just a survey. I believe that the guns in America are 3x the amount of that number. Every gun owner I know owns more than 1 gun. The Military Standard is 2 guns, The Primary and the Secondary (Rifle and Pistol). The Civilian/Police Standard is 3 guns.

[sexyasianboi26]

I'll add in that there are over 100 million registered gun owners in America according to the NRA.

So 61,603 cases of gun violence and crime divided. by 100 million is.06%.

Even if there was 61603 MASS SHOOTERS, 0.06% is a very low insignificant number compared to the 99% out of 100 million gun owners that are safe and reliable. I watch live congress debates on gun control and other issues and they will always use these types of equations and statistics to checkmate people.

With that being said, mass shootings are a media power tool. Again 0.06% is very small. A solid 1% will make it an issue. When you get towards 5-10% then it's safe to say that there is a problem because it's in the millions now.

[Starchild92]

Interesting read. As I live in Europe, our laws may be very different than in the U. S. In our country, guns most commonly owned by private individuals are hunting rifles and shotguns. These are generally easy to purchase and people are only required to go through safety courses or acquire a hunting licence beforehand. Illegal weapons are however very hard to come by and usually cost far more than legal ones, for example up to 30000 USD for an old HK G3.

In any case, I believe the overwhelming majority of registered gun owners are law abiding citizens no matter where they live. In my opinion, access to guns becomes an issue when many illegal ones are in circulation or when guns are easily being obtained by people unfit to handle them. In terms of shootings, if someone is intent on causing mass casualties, I believe they would find a way to inflict such no matter the laws. Access to illegal weapons just makes it easier, I think.

[sexyasianboi26]

Im gonna copy paste what I said above. This is the scenario if there were no illegal guns.

Lets do some 5th grade math and pretend Illegal guns don’t exist for this scenario. According to a 2009 survey, the US has over 300 million guns. In 2017 there were 61,603 cases of gun violence and gun crimes. So lets assume that 3 guns were used per case and they were all legal (A pistol, a shotgun and a rifle). 61,603x 3= 184,809.

184,809 guns/300 million guns = 0.00061603%.

.06% out of 300 million guns are used in Gun Violence and Crimes. That means 99.94% are safely accounted for by sane and responsible owners.

The 300 million data is just a survey. I believe that the guns in America are 3x the amount of that number. Every gun owner I know owns more than 1 gun. The Military Standard is 2 guns, The Primary and the Secondary (Rifle and Pistol). The Civilian/Police Standard is 3 guns I think. (Pistol, shotgun, rifle).

[Surely]

Not to start an argument. Illegal guns are probably not able to be counted since they are not registered in anyway, unless they were stolen from a law abiding citizen. So unless you tried to purchase one, how do anyone know the costs of an illegal weapon? I know that I don't.
Also, according to the information that I have read, when guns were outlawed or strictly regulated in countries outside of the US, the criminals turn to knives, cars or truck and explosives. Again, only a comment.

[BillyB4]

Interesting. Personally I don’t agree with anti-gun activists because it’s people who kill, not the guns, and having lots of guns doesn’t mean there will be less violence. In Britain there are tons of stabbings and mugging, and they have almost no guns, while in Switzerland guns are abundant and they have almost no crime. I think the real problems are class and race. America and Britain are diverse and economically unequal so they have social instability, whereas places like Switzerland (with many guns) and Japan (with no guns) are very racially and ethnically homogeneous and egalitarian, and do have low levels of violence.

[dipta]

Violent crimes do happen in Japan though.

[BillyB4]

@dipta Ph yeah of course, they happen everywhere, it’s just that in Japan and a lot of European countries that are egalitarian and homogeneous they have much lower rates of violence than America and Britain

[sexyasianboi26]

Japan is #26 for highest suicide rate in the world. I think Im gonna do a mytake on correlations of high crime rates= low suicide rate, low crime rate= high suicide rate. Nature likes to balance and compensate things. No country, society, or place is perfect.

[dipta]

I mean, Japan has a low crime rate but, upon my observations, when it does happen it's usually more violent and premeditated (e. g. murder) when in comparison to my country back home where robbery (no dead victims) seems to account for most crimes.

I do agree on the race issue though, or the cultural issue.
It may not be politically correct to say so, but even in Europe (possibly not as homogeneous as it may look) throughout history there always were people who were generally more violent or more pacific when compared to others, regardless of class.

[TripleAce]

ya but you fail to realize a lot of illegal guns were once legal... that's one two when you have a country that doesn't really bat an eye when a gun is waved around, illegal guns have a much higher chance of infiltrating the country

third and two perfect examples is staring right at you
1. full auto guns are highly regulated and expensive with harsh penalties for using one but they can also cause the most damage if that was the goal. guess what? they are never ever used in crime or mass shootings... hum?
2. USA allows guns and other comparable countries don't... well guess what? USA is ranked similar to South American countries when it comes to gun violence... and other countries that heavily regulate them don't... hum?

[sexyasianboi26]

Illegal guns were once Legal guns? What? Where is your supporting facts for this claim? You must be on drugs, or your trolling but re-read what I wrote.

1. full auto guns are highly regulated, etc..

-Uhh duh. I own a couple automatic weapons and they have higher requirements in terms of a normal gun license. Anyone with a normal gun license can buy an AR 15 like that 19 year old shooter. If he wanted to buy an automatic rifle like an M16, he would need a “federal license.” But geez, I wonder why mass shooters can’t buy automatic rifles.

[sexyasianboi26]

2. USA allows guns and other comparable countries don't etc..

-Again, I have no idea what you are blabbering about. Lets do a simple logic equation here. The USA has over 300 million people, The UK (country with strict gun law) has about 70 million people, and Australia (country with strict gun law) has about 30 million people. The USA has 3 times the number of people compared to these two countries combined so of course the US is going to have more gun violence. I dont know what kind of idiot would accept the logic of your comparison. This is why I feel sorry for Democrat and Liberal lawmakers trying to push for more gun control. If they use that type of logic, people like Trey Gowdy will feast on their flesh, and I love watching it.

[TripleAce]

1. So why don't mass shooters use autos. You didn't address that lol. I mean they wanna kill as many as they can right?

2. Dude. The population is already factored in bro. Usa ranks along side south america. Obviously they take into account the population. Usa has gun violence similar to south america think about that for a second lol

Its not far from a third world country to be honest

[sexyasianboi26]

1. Why dont mass shooters use autos? Seriously man, is that hard to figure out? Automatic weapons are expensive, and a gun shop owner would need to see if you have the proper requirements to own one aka federal license, this is different from a normal gun license and gun permit. An illegal automatic weapon like an M4 or M16 goes for 40-50 thousand dollars in the streets. Dark web blackmarket (onion proxy), an M16 is dirt cheap but the cost of shipping it will go up to $100k. Plus they ship every part from different sources and origins. The average person can’t even assemble an IKEA bed so go figure out hos they’re going to assemble an M16.

[sexyasianboi26]

The population is already factored in? No its not. Nobody is going to buy that argument. First of all, of this was a scientific experiment to compare something, the population would be the variable. Quantity vs quantity. A low quantity comparison like Australia with 30m people would have been okay IF Australia had the same amount of people like the US to begin with. If you dont have the same two amounts in two substances, its not controlled, and its not a fair experiment. In politics, this is what they call heavily biased.

[TripleAce]

1.
exactly! nope that point makes sense... strict regulation prevents people from using guns... wow lol you really just answered the burning question... of how to stop the gun violence... restrict the shit outta the guns... just like you said

2. of course they factor in population. otherwise why would we even use those stats... no idiot out there would ever publish stats without accounting for population... that's basic statistics

[sexyasianboi26]

Automatic weapons are heavily regulated. Barely used in gun violence. Calls for more restriction on weapons that are barely used on a major problem. Below 90 IQ argument, Good job.

Explain to me the mathematics of how population is factored in. Or maybe Im dealing with a Far Left SJW Liberal here, who will say anything to cheer for their team, hmm?

[TripleAce]

1. How is that not clear. Its super simple though
Full autos are highly regulated = no full
Auto crimes
Other guns are not regulated = tons of gun violence

2. They factor in their gun violence per captia. Obviously they have to compare equal adjusted values lol

So for example if usa is ranked 30 for gun violence. Obviously it factors in population
Like gdp per capita. You think it has any value to list a stat thats not adjusted for population

Thats just meaningless

[sexyasianboi26]

And this is why I posted this mytake, to educate people like you. You wholeheartedly believe that there is no such things as illegal guns?

Drugs and guns go hand in hand. The state of Arizona even admitted that 3500 tons (7 million pounds) of cocaine are smuggled into the state every year. Can you imagine the amount of illegal guns involved in the smuggling process?

There are 2 types of origins according to the feds. Origin of place and origin of production. Some of the guns confiscated in a drug bust are of “us origin”, it doesn’t mean “usa made”. Again, this does not justify the means to regulate more guns. Because criminals will get their hands on guns illegally with no problem.

[TripleAce]

Ya i get all that
But it still doesnmt change the fact that
1. Usa is the worst of the worst for gun violence when it comes to comparable developed countries. Its like South America
2. Also that criminals don't use full autos but if illegal guns were such a thing then mass shooters woupd just buy full illegal autos and cause massive damage. But nope

So regulation works. You guys just don't care enough cause some silly second amendant. But that second amendment does nothing but kill your own people

It does nothing against govt tyranny etc. Thats all bullshit. Cause the govt is already corrupt

[Surely]

I have never done this, but I am sure if you would do a little research on the web, you could convert a semi to full auto with maybe just a file.

[TripleAce]

@Surely its not about converting guns into what you want them to be... it's about the fact that if a certain gun is regulated it seems to be used in killings much less, but that's expected... that's just what every other country does because we know this... lol

[0112358]

What proportion of illegal guns in the U. S. are imported as opposed to being stolen guns that were originally legal?

That seems to be relevant. Some countries with a fair number of guns (Switzerland, Canada) have much more restrictive laws around storage of guns to attempt to cut the flow of guns from legal to illegal. Doing so keeps them in the hands of hobbyists and hunters, but absolutely interferes with their use for self protection.

The -impression- of most Canadians is that the majority of illegal handguns in Canada come from the U. S. market, where they may have been stolen or not, but started their life in the legal U. S. market.

[sexyasianboi26]

Here’s what I can tell you.
Lets do some 5th grade math and pretend Illegal guns don’t exist for this scenario. According to a 2009 survey, the US has over 300 million guns. In 2017 there were 61,603 cases of gun violence and gun crimes. So lets assume that 3 guns were used per case and they were all legal (A pistol, a shotgun and a rifle). 61,603x 3= 184,809.

184,809 guns/300 million guns = 0.00061603%.

.06% out of 300 million guns are used in Gun Violence and Crimes. That means 99.94% are safely accounted for by sane and responsible owners.

The 300 million data is just a survey. I believe that the guns in America are 3x the amount of that number. Every gun owner I know owns more than 1 gun. The Military Standard is 2 guns, The Primary and the Secondary (Rifle and Pistol). The Civilian/Police Standard is 3 guns I think. (Pistol, shotgun, rifle).

[0112358]

It would speak to what might slow the flow of guns into the hands of those who shouldn’t have them. Of course there are so many illegal circulating at this point it’s hard to imagine anything making s dent for decades. But broadly speaking if most criminals have weapons that are stolen from or illegally transferred from legal owners, stricter laws on storage (which some countries have) and on secondary market transfers are something that could be considered (perhaps rejected as not worth the costs but considered). If most illegal guns are imported then that’s a waste of time.

[sexyasianboi26]

So 99.94% of the legal guns are all accounted for and is held by a responsible owner. In the case for political agenda, tiny issues = big issues. So the.06% gets put under a microscope and highlighted. Factoring in the studies, reports and prison surveys; Illegal guns are the problem. Also, Drug and Guns go hand in hand. The state of Arizona admitted that around 3,500 tons (7 million pounds) of cocaine gets smuggled into their state every year. So Taking into considerstion that Cocaine alone is a multi billion dollar industry, you can somewhat Imagine the amount of Illegal guns involved. There is no actual public data to the amount of illegal guns confiscated and stored, only the FBI and Gov knows the real number.

[Kiran04]

Illegal guns are a problem, but people are the ones pulling the trigger. What needs to be addressed are why they decide to kill other people. Poverty is the single largest predictor in criminal behavior. What's the solution to it? I don't know, but clearly just blindly throwing money at hasn't changed a damn thing. The next on the priority list is mental illness, which we've completely let fall to the way side in the last two decades. Everyone just looks the other way when crazy people are about, and they keep doing that until the crazy people hurt or kill someone, then we freak the fuck out. What did we expect to happen?

[BigAl1982]

Tim McVeigh killed 168 people and caused over $2B in damage. He used fuel and fertilizer to make a bomb. Laws against murder and terrorism did nothing to stop him.

Also drugs are illegal and I can get whatever I want in 1/2 hour so how is a gun ban supposed to be any different?

[JSmith925]

I agree and for an overview of how criminals can easily fabricate other highly destructive weapons, read this take:
Our Lives are Worth More than Your Guns? ↗
~JSmith

[Cryostatic]

"My reason for that is that these two lied to the people with their "93% chance of Hillary winning" BS."

You do realize that "these two" were simply reporting poll results? That they did not "lie" or "make up" anything? They reported what was, at the time, a fact; that polls were indicating a high probability of a Clinton victory. It's not their fault that the polls were inaccurate, or that Trump won despite low odds.

[goaded]

Exactly. There's a 97% chance you won't roll a total of 2 with two dice. Still, sometimes you get snake eyes.

[RationalMale]

Flip side is, look at the UK--they literally are making proclamations about knife control because crime is so bad.

Certain populations commit a lot of violent crime. Certain populations don't. That's the reality. And the reality also is there is not the social trust anymore--we've seen certain groups rioting and torching cities. Only the criminals elements and the stupid are willing to disarm now.

[Nivinxus]

a million ways to kill someone, knives and guns are just a little easier to use. If someone wants another person dead, they will always find a way.

[Krokodyl]

Yeah this is what I am saying when eu wants to fiddle with gun laws because of terrorism. Also how exactly gun control works in us? I thought that anybody can buy a weapon there if he is old enough but you said that you ar registered and licensed.

[Anonymous]

If you remove Chicago, L. A. and Detroit murders from the statistics there is very little gun crime.

[Kiran04]

You mean all majorly democratic cities?

[Opinion Owner]

@Kiran04 funny how that works lol

[Kiran04]

I know, right?

[John_Doesnt]

Yeah, because gun control never works in countries that enforce it... oh wait it works EVERYWHERE that tries it.

[imwithstupid]

like Mexico and Africa?

[sexyasianboi26]

Lol another person brainwashed by the media. Lets do some 5th grade math and pretend Illegal guns don’t exist for this scenario. According to a 2009 survey, the US has over 300 million guns. In 2017 there were 61,603 cases of gun violence and gun crimes. So lets assume that 3 guns were used per case and they were all legal (A pistol, a shotgun and a rifle). 61,603x 3= 184,809.

184,809 guns/300 million guns = 0.00061603%.

.06% out of 300 million guns are used in Gun Violence and Crimes. That means 99.94% are safely accounted for by sane and responsible owners.

[sexyasianboi26]

Now lets do some Liberal logic mathematics and assume 10 guns were used per case. 61,603x10= 616,030/300 million= 0.00205343. That is STILL! 0.2% of the problem. So even if we have 61,000 mass shooters every year, 99% of the guns are still accounted for by safe and responsible owners. “Gun control” my @ss.

[imwithstupid]

don't use math on liberals, the think it's sexist and racist

[sexyasianboi26]

@imwithstupid Liberals, Feelings > Facts

[John_Doesnt]

That was "stupid math". Gun control works just fine in Europe.

[John_Doesnt]

@imwithstupid no, it's only conservatives who don't understand that facts support gun control. Look at Europe or Japan and see how well gun control works.

[sexyasianboi26]

You’re just in denial of reality and facts. Go live in Europe, idc. Less idiots on the highway for me.

[imwithstupid]

the point of gun control isn't to reduce crime, it's to get American citizens under control. Hitler did the same thing. The crime excuse is just to fool the sheeple.

[Anonymous]

If you give a child a gun, don't be surprised if you recieve a phone call about a recent school shooting..

[imwithstupid]

I always had access to a gun since about age 10

[Opinion Owner]

@imwithstupid what did u do w it at age 10?

[imwithstupid]

target shooting. It was quite common back then. We also parked our trucks in the High school parking lot with shotguns in the back window. It was a non-issue

[Surely]

@imwithstupid My high school also! So why are the young ones so violent today? Maybe we need to ban the glory of the blood and guts in the movies and video games!

[Anonymous]

Funny how there's almost no gun violence in my country. Considering we have strict gun laws...

[Anonymous]

Interesting mytake, it’s usually an illegally obtained gun that’s used in most crimes whether they were legal or not when made

[Edanurus]

The problem isn't with the US and guns. It's with the US and gun culture.