Where There's Controversy! There's Me.

[Sososinaxoxo]

Well well! Look who we have here!

Tess Holiday on her brightest day!

Okay, at first I was going to let her slide.

After I saw this.

I was like I have to comment.

I'm sure you all know who Tess Holiday is.

I'm just going to refresh your mind.

So you have an idea of what she does.

Tess Holiday (Ryann Maegan Hoven is her real name)

is a "PLUS sized model" based in Los Angeles.

Now, Tess Holiday is famous for her work in the fashion industry because of her size.

Okay I'm not sure if I'll be eating my leftist wings today! I'm kind of full.

I want you to see her size before I start.

First off she is not a plus size model.

That is not what a plus sized model looks like.

She is like a "plus plus adding is too much so we have to multiply model."

She does not look healthy.

People still support her and want her to stay that way.

She is a size 26.

How does she expect us to glorify obesity.

I would have cheered her head off if she was healthy.

She is clearly not healthy.

It's really just glorifying obesity when you cheer for her size.

I would like it better if she was working out and eating healthier.

Than in the magazine supporting others who are losing weight as well.

I think she is actually quite beautiful. (In the face.)

I just feel like she is sending herself to the grave.

She also claimed that she could be healthy and over weight.

Which makes absolutely no sense.

I'm actually little concerned for her now.

She believes that after eating all this food and probably not working out is healthy.

She didn't pay attention in health.

I want to go back to that last comment.

Vintage camera girl made.

She's right about anorexia but than she went on to say that obesity isn't a mental disorder or a disease.

Wrong!

Obesity could be a mental disorder.

You can't stop yourself from eating and you are convinced that that's okay.

Obesity is a disease! Don't you see it spreading?

Also, You're not the bad guy because you are "naturally" fat.

You are the bad guy because you refuse to accept your weight and change it.

You'd rather live with the excuse that you were born that way.

it's sad that she is just one of many glorifies.

How do you let yourself get like this?

I am just in shock at what I found.

This needs to stop.

It is not okay to be this size.

I thought a plus size model looked like this.

Ashley Graham is stunning!

My only exception.

If we really need all this body positivity.

She should be an example.

She is exactly what curvy is and should be.

That is all for today!

Thank you for tuning in on my rant! ^_^

Love a very politically incorrect, Angieee <3

[MovingOnAgain]

I would have to disagree. I don't believe anyone is really glorifying obesity. All they're saying is for you to feel comfortable in your own skin. And if you want to go out for some burgers, don't be embarrassed about it, despite your size. You should be able to go anywhere you want without feeling embarrassed. I do agree that it's very unhealthy, but you make it sound as though these magazines are saying all this is healthy... since when has these magazines ever been about health? You generally see women skinny as a stick and as hot as it may be, it's not healthy, either. Being against fat-shaming doesn't mean you can't be concerned about what someone eats. All it means is that you don't make fun of them for how they look and allowing them to feel comfortable in their skin. That's why they're in the magazine to begin with. Some people like big women and those women show pictures of them eating unhealthy food to help make other big people not feel embarrassed to pursue what they like to eat. Cuz after all, if they are fine with being fat and want to keep eating junk food, that's their choice. Just as a smoker slowly kills himself with a cigarette, that's his choice. And while you can be concerned for both people's health, it is wrong to make either of them feel uncomfortable simply because you don't like the look of it.

[Sososinaxoxo]

And that's great.
But the reality is she's obese and it's very unhealthy to look that way.

[MovingOnAgain]

Agreed, but the entire world would agree with you on that, even the plus-size model. No one is saying that it isn't unhealthy.

[Sososinaxoxo]

So why are we defending and praising her gluttony that can kill her

[MovingOnAgain]

We aren't defending or praising her gluttony, we are defending and praising her right to choose whatever she feels like doing and not feeling embarrassed about it, whether that's eating more junk food or simply walking around in public.

When you see cigarette commercials, no one says they're defending or praising lung cancer. In much the same way, the great majority of the world agrees that being over 300 pounds and smoking is bad for you. Difference is that no body makes fun of people who smoke, but people DO make fun of people who are obese. Being against fat-shaming only means you don't support making fun of others or not believing in their right to eat whatever they want because they're fat, it doesn't mean you can't be concerned for their health. In essence, it's about freedom of choice and being comfortable with your decision, despite the consequences in your health that you acknowledge may come about from eating so much.

[Sososinaxoxo]

Well okay she's dead then
I tried to save her!

[MovingOnAgain]

If she dies from her eating too much, then that's fine, it was her choice. No one says there aren't consequences to eating a lot, we just want her to live a free life, even if it means her decisions being unhealthy for her. If she would rather be unhealthy than healthy, she has the freedom to go down that road without being judged.

And if this is your attempt to try to save someone, then you have some things to improve upon :/

For example, "She is like a "plus plus adding is too much so we have to multiply model."" is more poking fun at her, rather than helping her out. When you include sentences like these, your concern for her is unrecognizable, because people generally don't make fun of people they're concerned about.

No one concerned for the health of those in the Twin Towers would poke fun at people being attacked during 9/11. It comes across rather contradicting. And yet, it seems that is what you're doing here with her.

[Sososinaxoxo]

Hahaha that was a good one!

[Sososinaxoxo]

Please do not compare this obese person to a true tragedy

[MovingOnAgain]

It's unfortunate that that's all you had to say. In which case, here's another example:

When a friend of yours is depressed and you are concerned, you don't generally poke fun at them. It appears contradicting.

[Sososinaxoxo]

Holiday is not depressed she's an overly confident entitled person
I cannot stand that.
Also, I don't even know her so how can I empathize with her?
I would of course help my friend.
All I know about her is she's an obese lady who is eating herself to death.
And she doesn't even care.

[MovingOnAgain]

"Holiday is not depressed she's an overly confident entitled person
I cannot stand that. " Why does that bother you? You can be aware that you are slowly killing yourself and still stick behind your decision. There's nothing wrong with that.

"Also, I don't even know her so how can I empathize with her? " You don't have to know someone to not empathize with them. We can empathize with people getting bombed and innocents being murdererd around the world without knowing them. And so, I don't believe it is fair to say that you can't empathize with her if you don't know her, but rather, you probably can't empathize with her, because you can't relate to how over-weight people generally feel.

"All I know about her is she's an obese lady who is eating herself to death.
And she doesn't even care." What's the problem here? I fail to see a problem. She has the freedom to choose what she wants to do. If she doesn't care, that's fine. It's her life. Let her live it as she pleases.

[MovingOnAgain]

by the way, I never said Holiday was depressed. If she's eating in a magazine cover and showing off her body in a very revealing way, it's very apparent that she feels comfortable in her skin. I believe you are misinterpreting everything I'm saying.

[Sososinaxoxo]

Maybe I am this all these disagreements is just annoying me and clouding my entire judgement.
I still stand by what I said in the beginning she is obese and needs to lose the weight or she is on a slow path to death

[MovingOnAgain]

I completely agree with that, but that's only under the assumption that she would be happier living life that way. There are people in this world that are willing to die, if it means living the life as they want to live it. And as stupid as it may seem to be for us, how they feel is what ultimately matters, not our feelings :/

[Sososinaxoxo]

Well than that's fine I guess.
If that's how she wants to live her life.
I just think that sucks.
That you have to die to be happy.
How does eating truck loads of food everyday make you happy.

[MovingOnAgain]

It sure as hell would make me happy, haha. I just don't do it cuz I value my health much more. Maybe she doesn't. We're all different.

[Sososinaxoxo]

Yeah, you know what I actually agree.

[MovingOnAgain]

Happy to hear we could come to some form of common ground :)

[Sososinaxoxo]

Yeah, XD Sorry I'm so hostile I feel like I'm in defensive mode all the time.
People are disagreeing a lot and of course people are going to.
I just feel like I'm debating with the world now.

[MovingOnAgain]

Completely understandable. I was the same way before. I lean more towards being liberal, but it's very common for me to disagree with what many liberals do. I dislike almost all sides, including my own, so I can understand what you mean by what it feels like debating the whole world. I know you dislike most liberals, but I'm happy to have been a part of a discussion where 2 different sides can come together to find common ground.

[Sososinaxoxo]

Yeah, that's so funny we're the opposite I'm extremely conservative. But me too I wouldn't want to leave it where both parties are upset

[MovingOnAgain]

Same :) If I may add, I saw your Black Lives Matter post and also had mixed feelings about it, but thought that was a good example of something I disliked about the liberal side.

To put it more specifically, Black Lives Matter can be violent many times and liberals aren't acknowledging that. That's a problem. But at the same time, conservatives don't acknowledge that the Black Lives Matter movement has good intentions. That's also a problem. Their message is simple: Black people should be treated just as equal as everyone else. Not more than others, but equal. People can even find that statement on their website.

We can disagree about whether or not they currently are being treated equal, but our common ground comes in our understanding that they SHOULD be treated equal. But nobody focuses on the similarity. People just get caught up in making the other side seem like complete devils :/ It's very dehumanizing and unrealistic. There are bad apples in all groups.

[Sososinaxoxo]

Yeah, exactly they had good intentions in the beginning and than they went too far.

[MovingOnAgain]

Agreed, but it's not the movement as a whole that did this, but certain members of the group. There has also been an event of Black Lives Matter that had them get together with police officers and just hang out.

But then, one black guy fucked it up by beginning to shoot officers. Now, I'm not entire sure if that guy was a member of the Black Lives Matter movement, but I think it's fair to assume that he SUPPORTED them. He was the bad apple of the group. And they have more bad apples. All groups have bad apples. We have liberal rapists, we have conservative rapists. We have Christian priests who have raped children and we have atheists who have raped children. We have Black Lives Matter supporters who brought about violence and we have All Lives Matter supporters who brought about violence. No group has a clean record because there isn't necessarily an interview process for who gets to be a supporter for the group. Any whack job can be a part of any platform or any group.

[Sososinaxoxo]

Yeah! I think that's what it is.
People are taking the movement the wrong way.
Yeah I guess

[MovingOnAgain]

And I feel like both sides are part of the problem. They never sit down to speak about the issue. They just try to shove their idea down the other side's throat. I feel most political issues aren't even political, but rather humanitarian issues. Both sides have the same problem and are equally as close-minded, if they don't take time to listen to the other side. I believe we have a human mind issue and people just assume the other side is the worse thing in existence. It's very unrealistic.

Ok, that's my rant about humanity, regarding politics, in general lol.

[Anonymous]

Not worth wasting time or attention on a girl like that. If you want to see a hot girl named Tess, check out Tess Taylor Arlington

[Sososinaxoxo]

No, thank you.

[Opinion Owner]

lol! She was a stone cold fox on a reality show from a few years ago.

[Sososinaxoxo]

Nah I prefer wasting my time and dedicating my pathetic life to women who make me feel prettier

[Opinion Owner]

Oh! Hahaha! Yeah, in that case definitely don't check out Tess Taylor! Stick with the women in this take!

[Sososinaxoxo]

XD will do

[Opinion Owner]

I guess that's one of the benefits of the "body positivity" movement. It gives everyone lost of hideously unattractive bodies to look at to make themselves feel really attractive by comparison!

[Sososinaxoxo]

XD shhh keep the secret! ^_^

[Opinion Owner]

LMFAO! So do you not like it if you hit the beach or pool and there's a stone cold hottie in a skimpy bikini there?

[Sososinaxoxo]

Of course because I'm the stone cold hottie!! ^_^ :3

As long a the beach is full of obese people anyway...

[Opinion Owner]

Nice! I suppose the good news is that there are a lot of beaches with a lot of beached whales on them!

[Sososinaxoxo]

Hahaha XD Yeah, I make sure there are nooo beach bunnies or the guys will ignore me

[Opinion Owner]

So do you make sure that all your friends are at least a little bit unattractive? Or if they are do you make sure to suggest they wear an unflattering bathing suit or at least cover up their best assets?

[Sososinaxoxo]

XD I'm friends with all guys girls don't like me I'm too opinionated, conservative, sexy and smart for them
I'm down here with the liberals.
But no my guy friends are all attractive if you're see with attractive guys it boosts your status!! :3

[Sososinaxoxo]

Seen*

[Opinion Owner]

Does being seen with attractive guys really boost your status though? Your status with who? Because I certainly have seen girls really hating on other girls who get attention from attractive guys. And guys don't care about who you hang out with. THey just want you to be hot!

[Sososinaxoxo]

It raises my status with girls
It makes them jealous XD

[Opinion Owner]

Ah okay! So when girls hate on you and are jealous you still have higher status. Makes sense. You got a guy then?

[Sososinaxoxo]

Noooooo I just got out of a terrible relationship I do NOT want another one at the moment

[Opinion Owner]

That sucks! Sorry to hear! How long was it and when did you get out?

[Sososinaxoxo]

It was 2 years long and I ended it a month ago

[Opinion Owner]

Well congrats for finally getting out! Enjoy your new found freedom!

[Sososinaxoxo]

Thank you I am! I forgot what it was like being single XD I like it I'm free

[Sososinaxoxo]

Who are you XD GGO OFF ANONYMOUS

[lumos]

Honestly though when has the fashion and beauty industry EVER been about health? Never. It's extreme because it creates controversy and buzz. If it's not morbidly obese, it's malnourished and bony. This isn't anything new really, it's just a take on the other side of the spectrum.
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Tbh I don't even care. I don't want to look like that myself, but I don't have to. And if she wants to look like that, that's her choice. I don't really get the point of ranting about what other people look like, under the guise of "health", when the majority of people make pretty unhealthy choices DAILY just by not eating right, not making sure their posture is perfect, not going to the gym as often as they should, not getting enough sleep, drinking too much alcohol, etc etc etc. So I find it very ironic that so many people are preaching about being "healthy" when they themselves could probably hardly be called the epitome of health. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. And focus on themselves and their own health if it really is that important.

[Sososinaxoxo]

I agree! This one didn't come to mind.

[LeoElias]

They are probably skinny bitches and think just because they are skinny means they are healthy. Uh no you can be skinny and unhealthy too. I don't want to date a bony bitch how the fuck is appealing? It's a skeleton. I would take curvy over skinny any day because at least she has something I can grab. What I mean is she has breasts and an ass. The other one doesn't.

[lumos]

@LeoElias that was unnecessarily aggressive

[LeoElias]

😂 my bad

[lumos]

@LeoElias yeah... maybe think twice before throwing words like that around. I'm fairly skinny, not to the point where I look like the models I posted a pic of or anything. Not bony, just thin. I don't appreciate essentially being called a bitch just because of the way I look, so, ya know, stop..

[LeoElias]

Guys prefer your body type over anything else so don't be self conscious from what I said. Hands down guys will pick your weight over curvy most of the time. But if it's sickly thin vs curvy obviously I would choose curvy. That's what I was talking about.

[Justacatlady]

Tess Holiday drives me mad. I hate that she has become the face for "plus size" she is gross. I agree with you 100% that if anyone should be idolized it should be Ashley Graham. Who is curvy but looks like she eats well and works out. Tess is disgusting. Her fucking elbows have rolls.
I am all for the body positivity thing, but ONLY if it is promoting healthy living and loving (meaning treating it correctly) who you are.

[JimRSmith]

Great Take.

This sort of weight is not OK, it isn't attractive and it isn't healthy.

Calling it out as such is what we should all be doing.

Why should my tax money go towards all of the problems these girls are voluntarily giving themselves, by eating themselves into an early grave?

[Sososinaxoxo]

I agree! and thank you!

[CoffeeWC]

Body positivity has gone too far.

[BlueWalker]

My apologies in advance for such a long post, but this is a multi-faceted issue and gave it a great deal of thought before answering...

First, before I begin, I'd like to state that Tess Holiday is not aesthetically unattractive to me. At all. I actually have a VERY wide range of body types and features that I am equally attracted to. Everything from naturally skinny, to her size and from short to tall, and every type in between. One is not "more attractive to me". Beauty comes in ALL forms in my eyes and her form is as beautiful as any other woman's in my opinion. "Size" and form is not a "competition" to me. I honestly do not have a body size/body part "preference" one way or the other. I know that is hard for many people to understand (I get it), but that is the way I have always been.

With that said, I needed to state this because I don't want to be accused of being a "chubby chaser" (I hate that term - I find it derogatory) or being "biased" toward liking a certain aesthetic. Just thought I'd state that before I started.

However, aesthetics are one thing and health is another. I may be attracted to Mrs. Holliday, but ONLY if her weight does not affect her health. I could never be attracted to someone, nor encourage someone to ignore certain health factors or concerns out of an attraction to a certain aesthetic. To do so to the peril of an individual's health for your own benefit is not only wrong, it is also morally wrong as well. Health is everything we have in this lifetime. No matter how good we look, how much money we have, how good of a person we are or how much we are loved by others, if we don't have health to assure those things into the future, we have nothing.

Do I know if Tess Holliday's health is at stake? I cannot say 100% sure that it is. Some people can be surprisingly healthy as a given weight (both obese and skinny). However, considering her current weight and eating habits (from what I see), I certainly can't say that even if she was currently medically healthy, that this could be sustainable for much longer before it began to have negative affects to her health.

That's where I'd draw the line for someone I love. They could be healthy at a given weight, but if they are near the brink of crossing the line of being unhealthy, that is where I'd have to say something and encourage them to see a different way for their own health. Not out of aesthetics, but to remaining healthy for themselves and for others around them who love them. (more)...

[BlueWalker]

Ultimately, it comes down to being a health and moral issue. But it is also a self-esteem and self-worth issue as well as well. On one hand, I feel it is amazing that women of different body types are finally feeling more empowered about themselves because in our society, it can be a very destructive place for some people to live in and be accepted by others.

I deeply and intimately know this for myself because I, too, was teased and bullied horrendously (even with my life) when I was overweight in my earlier teen years. I know the pain, struggle and severe depression it causes inside because I have experienced it myself. I don't wish that kind of horrible pain and self-loathing on even my worst enemy. It's AWFUL.

So on one hand I feel it's amazing that women of all body types are being empowered to begin to bring themselves up from the utter hell it is to feel unloved and maligned on a daily basis. (more)...

[BlueWalker]

But on the other hand (in this case in particular) there are the health concerns and the concerns that this empowerment may lead some people to accept themselves for how they look to the detriment of their health.

Sadly, it's a bit of a catch 22.

You want people to feel empowered and to feel good about themselves, but you don't want them to be unhealthy. On one hand, it almost seems unfair that women of a certain aesthetic to feel like they have gained a certain relief from the culture they live within and then to have it taken away because of the very body that has caused them to be maligned to begin with.

On the other hand, health is the most important thing we have in our lives and we have this life to take care of, and ensure its health and happiness. After all, aesthetics are no good to you if it is going to negatively affect or even take your own life. And that goes for other body types and certain cosmetic surgeries too. This isn't just about overweight people. (more)...

[BlueWalker]

So I can see the merit to both sides of the argument.

I feel bad for overweight and obese people to be have to be put in this situation. To be maligned for the way they look and then to have their newfound empowerment taken away by the very body that causes their pain in the eyes of a society that does not accept them.

But ultimately, health wins out. Every time. It's just so harsh because I know and have felt the pain of what being overweight is like. I feel for these women in particular a great deal. It's also hard for me personally, because, as I said, I do not find Tess unattractive at all. In fact I finder her very attractive. Her body is not an aesthetic "issue" for me. So on that basis as well, it's hard to see this empowerment/malignment dynamic for them because I accept her the way she is. Aesthetically anyway. (more)...

[BlueWalker]

But health concerns win every time for me. Always. That is where I draw the line. It's just hard to see women struggle is all, and it's just a harsh reality and culture to have to "accept", and to knowingly acknowledge you have a problem.

I can't say Tess is imminently in bad health as she is today, but I don't believe it is sustainable either. Not for long anyway.

It just sucks because I accept women her size the way they are and would want anything for them to feel better about themselves within the culture we live in. I always prefer to empower and uplift people no matter what. It's just a part of who I am. But health is more important than aesthetics. ALWAYS.

I can see and understand both sides of the coin, but her health is what's most important.

[Anonymous]

This same discussion seems to always bubble up whenever the words "plus sized" model enter in the sphere of conversation whether it be Graham or Holiday or anyone in between. In the US at least, we are a nation that is constantly getting heavier year after year. More and more children are getting diabetes at younger ages. Insurance companies are having to pay astronomical costs for obesity related illnesses for their employees, and if we keep it up, our parents will out live us.

For me, I'll not begrudge someone else their own happiness. If at this point, she feels happy at her size and feels there is nothing wrong with that, and I can't change that mindset, then it is what it is, but for people like my elderly neighbor who lost a foot to diabetes, I don't think he has the luxury to say such things. What we can do is say to children and impressionable teens especially that there is nothing wrong with them for being smart, quirky, weird, funny, talented, shy, a nerd...whatever, but when it comes to ones health, all we ever get is one chance---and you can be healthy IF you are eating healthfully and exercising and generally taking care of oneself. An extra 50lbs on a frame causes a lot of undue stress on the body, and multiply that from there and things only get worse. Facts. Science. Reality.

I have no problems with promoting a healthy lifestyle for everyone. That does not mean shaming, shunning, making fun of people, but it does involve encouraging them and helping them as best we can to take care of their health, both mental and physical. To say to someone I think you need to get healthy, and here is the medical evidence why, is not fat shaming in the least, but a lot of people have taken it to that level, that we can't ever say or do anything about it lest we are these evil haters of all people who are obese. Again, there is a vast difference between promoting health and just being a bully or making fun of someone and being an a--.

[EnglishArtsteacher]

There are many many health issues costing us money from a health insurance standpoint. It's not just obesity-but everything.

[Opinion Owner]

@EnglishArtsteacher This is true, but my point here is preventable illnesses such as those related to obesity. I would make the same exact argument had this take mentioned smoking or alcohol abuse. Given the high cost of insurance in general at this point, it would actually stand to reason that we should be pushing more to get people on a healthier track because it could help their own wallets.

[Anonymous]

First off, great take.

Secondly.
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She is not a "model", she is a planet.
We need to stop glorifying fat and unhealthy females as "models"
We don't do it for men, we need to stop doing it for the sake of weak fragile female egos.
If you are fat, do something to be less fat. instead of trying to change society to make fat ok.

[Sososinaxoxo]

I agree! And thank you do much!

[Sososinaxoxo]

So***

[MovingOnAgain]

The original comment is a perfect example of what the model is wanting to stop. No one is saying that being fat is fine for your health. It is perfectly fine to say she's unhealthy. It is perfectly fine to say you believe she should start focusing on taking care of herself. It is perfectly fine to find obese women unattractive. None of this is fat-shaming.

But your comment IS because you're making fun of her. You aren't just saying she is unattractive, you've posted a picture of a woman vomiting. The very same point could have been made just saying, "I don't find overweight women attractive". That wouldn't have been fat-shaming, but your pic is because you go out of your way to make a joke about the way she looks. The entire point about being against fat-shaming is to make people not feel judged or uncomfortable in their own skin, it doesn't mean we don't recognize that it isn't healthy. As the saying goes, "It's not what you say, it's how you say it". The pic was uncalled for.

[BonnieBunny]

@MovingOnAgain I think you missed the point.

[MovingOnAgain]

@BonnieBunny I think I didn't. But if I did, your comment didn't make it much clearer :/

[Sososinaxoxo]

@MovingOnAgain Who care? I think it's hilarious!
When you put yourself out there you need to expect people to judge you.
I think this comment is very funny.

[MovingOnAgain]

I think you would agree that humor is subjective. Not all of us laugh at the same things. And yet, you believe it is alright to say because it's funny. To give an extreme example: Would you share the same sentiment if someone believed murder was funny? Would it be excused because they found it hilarious? Or should an action only be excused when YOU find it hilarious? Hilarity doesn't make an action right or wrong. It doesn't come into the equation.

Yes, you can expect people to judge you for putting yourself out there, but it's their choice on whether they share it loudly. To paraphrase the old saying, "If you have nothing good to say, don't say it at all". Again, it's not necessarily what you say, but how you say it.

[Sososinaxoxo]

@MovingOnAgain Hello welcome to the 21st century where society doesn't give a sh*t about anyone!
Also, This is not murder.
I don't know how you could compare that to this.
To answer your question though no I don't think that's funny.
In this instance I thought it was funny.
Learn to laugh! Why does everything have to be so politically correct? We have to sugar coat our opinions so they don't "offend" anyone.
In reality nobody actually cares how you feel.

[MovingOnAgain]

In all honesty, I don't necessarily care about your actions. This isn't about being politcally-correct, it's about not being a jerk. That's it. If you find it funny, that's fine.

"I don't know how you could compare that to this." Welp, I did. And thank you for agreeing. In which case, you agree that something funny doesn't make things right or wrong. And so all I'm saying is this: If you're going to go so far as to show a video of someone vomiting at the way someone looks, that's wrong. You can call them snowflakes or weak, if you'd like... still makes it wrong. As long as you acknowledge that, I really don't care about your actions. I just dislike seeing people be irrational and acting like they are. Just admit that what you're doing is hurting someone else, for comedy, and is wrong, and I won't have anything more to say.

[Sososinaxoxo]

@MovingOnAgain But I did almost vomit when I saw her XD

[MovingOnAgain]

That's fine, but I haven't heard admittance that what she did was wrong because she didn't care to hurt someone else. Or do you just not feel comfortable admitting it? Again, I don't really care if you felt like throwing up or not, I'm just curious if you're willing to admit what she did was morally wrong.

[MovingOnAgain]

Whoops, it was a he* lol. Make sure not to avoid the question, this time, otherwise I'll assume you admit to be wrong :P

[Sososinaxoxo]

@MovingOnAgain Yes, when you look at it of course it was wrong.
It was still a good laugh.

[MovingOnAgain]

There we go, that's all I wanted to hear. To each their own in humor, for as long as you recognized you supported immoral actions and acknowledged that humor doesn't justify that action. I'm sure you probably don't care, but realize that it's people, like you, who don't care that they hurt others, that ultimately hurt us all. And they won't care that they'll hurt you, either.

And yet you speak in this post as if you have found something wrong in society and wanted to shed light in it, while not caring about the wrongdoings of your own and the effects that that will have in society, as well. Do you not see the hypocrisy?

[MovingOnAgain]

I'm heading off to sleep for now though. Good night to all.

[Opinion Owner]

@MovingOnAgain My comment is an example of why we should stop allowing obesity to be "sexy". It's disgusting and society doesn't glorify it when it's men, we need to stop telling fat disgusting women that they are sexy, because they are NOT.
I am not making "fun" of her, I am calling her out for what she is, a fat female trying to claim she is sexy and expecting society to magically find it attractive. It's disgusting, period.

Would you be ok with a media campaign telling females with down syndrome that they should feel "sexy" in a thing swimsuit? or 80-year-old women that being almost naked is "sexy"? Would you call it wrong if people were disturbed by that?
I would hope you would see it for the wrongness of its entire premise, and the same holds true for this. Telling females that something is ok when it isn't, just so you can protect their fragile egos, isn't helping them. It's simply aiding in societies kid gloving of them.

[MovingOnAgain]

Everything you said in your first paragraph is subjective.

"A fat female trying to claim she is sexy and expecting society to magically find it attractive. It's disgusting, period".

So you have never met anyone who has found an obese person attractive? Look online, there are a ton of people who find obesity attractive. Apparently, it's neither of our cup of tea, but just because we don't find it attractive, it doesn't mean it's objectively disgusting. Or do you honestly believe that out of over 7.2 billion human beings on this planet, not one would find an obese woman attractive? You're trying to pass on your opinion as a fact, when it isn't. No, it's not "disgusting, period", that's just your opinion and many would disagree with it. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, not simply in your eyes.

As for this idea about glorifying obesity, no one is glorifying it. Read my standalone comment I wrote in this page, for info.

[MovingOnAgain]

As for your 2nd paragraph, you're misunderstanding what fat-shaming is about, similarly to the girl. No one is saying obesity is objectively sexy. They're just saying she shouldn't feel embarrassed looking as she does or doing what she wants to do. In that sense, you don't have to find women with down syndrome wearing a swimsuit attractive, but they SHOULD dress as they like, without needing to be unfairly judged. The same goes for 80-year-old women wearing revealing clothes. You can be disturbed by the above, if you want, no one is saying you shouldn't be. All they're saying is as the saying goes, "If you have nothing good to say, don't say anything, at all." What they're saying is not to hurt someone over something subjective, such as what you find attractive. It seems like you've clouded yourself with your own opinions. If someone calls a fat woman sexy, it may not be because they're just trying to be nice, but because they ACTUALLY find her sexy. It's not too crazy to grasp.

[Opinion Owner]

@MovingOnAgain Subjective huh...
https://i.imgur.com/cEeasTG.jpg

If it were subjective, society wouldn't have to force it on us.

Just because there may be a case of someone who likes obesity doesn't change the global standard of what's attractive.
You need to learn the difference between general and universal concepts.

If the view was "subjective" and not a basic standard, society wouldn't be making mass campaigns to try and force it. It's as simple as that. It would be a standard all on its own.

If you don't think that the pics above aren't "glorifying obesity" ... you are very wrong. When the media pushes fat as an acceptable and "attractive" concept, they are glorifying it. They are telling young impressionable females that it's ok to be unhealthy. It's giving them a false sense of what is ok physically and mentally. Obesity is not ok, it's a leading cause of many health issues. Telling someone otherwise is wrong.

[Opinion Owner]

@MovingOnAgain and in regards to the "shaming"... NO, there is a difference between a big person being big and dressing morally and respectfully for their size, so that they are not pushing their obesity down peoples throat, and someone who is pushing an agenda and dressing in almost nothing while massively obese.
It would be no different than me walking around with my dick out because I wanted to feel "comfortable"... no one wants to see that and no one should have to even if I feel entitled to do so.

[MovingOnAgain]

Either you didn't read what I wrote in my standalone comment or you completely ignored it. Society isn't forcing you to think obesity is beautiful, they're just asking for respect for obese women in allowing them to be who they want to be. That's it.

I agree, attractiveness, in general, is a skinnier woman... but that still doesn't change the fact that it's subjective and you were speaking about it as if it weren't.

"When the media pushes fat as an acceptable and "attractive" concept, they are glorifying it" Again, you're letting your opinion cloud the obvious. The definition of fat-shaming is:

"the action or practice of humiliating someone judged to be fat or overweight by making mocking or critical comments about their size."

Therefore, to be against fat-shaming doesn't necessarily mean you must think all obese people to be beautiful. It only means not mocking them. That's pretty straightforward.

[MovingOnAgain]

And of course obesity isn't good for your health. Who says it is? Please, give me a link to a story in which someone is trying to argue that obesity is healthy. I doubt you'll find many, if any at all. I spoke about all of this with the other chick in my standalone comment and you're repeating it all. Even she, ultimately, admitted it to be understandable, after having heard my points. It would make things go much quicker if you just read that thread.

"NO, there is a difference between a big person being big and dressing morally and respectfully for their size, so that they are not pushing their obesity down peoples throat..."

Who is pushing obesity down your throat? Just look away lol. You don't have to think obese women are sexy and you don't even have to call them that. People just don't want you to be a dick to them, that's all.

[MovingOnAgain]

Your dick analogy is far more complex than dressing more revealing while obese. We do allow nudity, but in only certain places, to avoid legal trouble. Imagine a cramped subway ride, where everyone was nude... if a penis brushed up against someone's butt, was it on purpose or by mistake? Should the victim be alarmed or not? What if it happened at a mall? On a crowded street? Being nude outside isn't illegal only because it could make people uncomfortable, but to avoid circumstances such as these. That's why they let you be nude at a nude beach or in certain events, around the world, but you need to put your clothes back on outside of them. Ok, enough about dicks, that's different topic :|

[Opinion Owner]

@MovingOnAgain The entire premise of "fat is sexy" is an agenda based on telling women it's ok to be fat. There are endless female groups saying you can be fat and healthy which is blatantly untrue.
au.reachout.com/.../being-overweight-doesnt-mean-being-unhealthy
theconversation.com/obese-does-not-necessarily-mean-unhealthy-72718
www.sbs.com.au/.../why-being-fat-doesnt-mean-youre-unhealthy

WHo is pushing obesity down our throats... well the media for starters, the entire fat-positive movement.
https://i.imgur.com/GvDP6if.jpg
There is a reason the "HEALTH" mags have thin women and the Cosmos have fat.

the "just look away" scapegoat is bullshit... If I was walking around with my dick out and you didn't like it, could I say "just look away?"
How about this?
https://i.imgur.com/MdorvFG.jpg
Just look away?
This is Not being pushed down our throats?

There is no difference between this and a guy exposing himself on a bus.

[MovingOnAgain]

So many things to respond to lol. Now I see where the confusion is. I believe you're misunderstanding these 2 concepts:

- Being chubby is healthy
- You can be healthy, while chubby

These are 2 separate points. The first one is incorrect because it implies that you are healthier being chubby. That is not true, it is unhealthier. However, the 2nd point IS correct and the keyword on that point is "can". Everyone would agree that it is far healthier having a slender body, than a chubby one, but not all slender people are chubbier than obese people. There are slender people who have had heart attacks, while obese people do not. If you compare weight, it is obviously better to be skinnier, than chubbier, but health isn't dictated simply by your size, but blood pressure, cholestrol level, blood sugar level, etc. Obesity is only one factor of health, not health in its entirety.

[MovingOnAgain]

There are people that eat healthy and still get obese because of either bad genetics or health conditions. Because of this, it is very much possible for someone with an incredibly slow metabolism and chubby to be, overall, healthier than someone slender. That's not to mean that they are healthier because they were chubby, but because they took better care of themselves than the guy with a fast metabolism. You CAN be healthy while chubby, but you'll simply be unhealthIER, than having been slender. That's not to mean you're automatically unhealthy, though. Think of it this way: I'm a pretty skinny guy. If I ate at McDonalds, I would be SLIGHTLY chubbier. Does that mean I'm unhealthy? No, that means I'm unhealthIER. BIG DIFFERENCE. That is the case for obesity. It doesn't always mean you are unhealthy, but unhealthIER. Obesity is very rarely a problem until you hit an extreme. The greatest threats doesn't come from obesity, but heart disease. And someone as skinny as a stick can still get

[MovingOnAgain]

And those magazines aren't "pushing obesity down our throats" just because you see chubby women in the cover. With that logic, you can see a video game in a store and say "These video game companies are just pushing these games down our throats" or "These TV commercials are just pushing their products down my throat". They are simply selling magazines with their ideology. If you do not want it, don't buy it. They are not forcing you to get it. It isn't being pushed down your throat.

[MovingOnAgain]

And I already said your dick analogy doesn't work in this scenario because it's illegal for more reason than simply being "uncomfortable" to others, but rather to avoid legal trouble. Having someone naked could make others believe they're vulnerable to sexual harrassment or even rape. That, of course, has a direct consequence to all bystanders. Obesity, on the other hand, does not. Some people simply find it gross, but they're not in fear of their lives. There is no legal trouble, whatsoever with obesity. Your dick argument has legal consequence as well as bystander consequences. That's the difference. It's not just about comfort. You'll have to think of a better analogy because it doesn't hold up.

[BonnieBunny]

@MovingOnAgain OH MY GOSH

[MovingOnAgain]

@BonnieBunny :D

[MovingOnAgain]

Whoops, I meant to say: But not all slender people are healthier* than obese people.

[Opinion Owner]

@MovingOnAgain This conversation isn't about "chubby" it's about obese which is what the fat nasty "model" is trying to promote. The magazines push fat down our throat because they are telling us that it's ok and promoting it. It's completely different than basic advertising.

The dick reference is no different than the obese nasty female in her lace underwear on a subway, the fact that women have a false victimhood which makes them irrationally fear men is irrelevant to the concept that exposing yourself in public makes people around you uncomfortable, period.

[MovingOnAgain]

You can literally change every moment I said "chubby" into "obese" and the logic would still stand. And being obese IS ok. It is only bad if you start experiencing health problems that risk your life, but there are obese people that are not at risk. Again, to many, it's simply a condition, regardless of how healthy they eat.

This dick analogy will be the death of me lol. If someone follows you around naked people may fear for their lives. There are rapes in this world, I think we could all agree on that. Does that mean a naked person would rape someone, we don't really know that. But here's the point... when you walk around naked, there is a public disturbance due to FEAR FOR ONE'S LIFE. But when someone walks around wearing only revealing clothes, while obese, no one is in fear for their lives. Some people will just find it gross, that's it. That's why it cannot be compared. You're comparing fear for someone's life with disgust. That's why the former has laws against it.

[Opinion Owner]

@MovingOnAgain You're right the logic would still stand. Promoting fat is not ok.
Being Obese is not ok, it's unhealthy and a massive burden on the health care system and many other resources. Even if they aren't life and death risks.
Only those who eat garbage food are obese. If it were simply a "condition" you would see obese 3rd world children and adults.

Don't use "rape" nonsense as a scapegoat. Rape is RARE. Less than 1 in 1000 (including the fictional 90% that don't come forward nonsense) as per the Bureau of Justice statistics and not some bullshit feminist fabrication. https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv15.pdf

Just because women have an irrational fear of men because of feminist fear mongering, doesn't make one worse than the other. A female exposing herself is just as wrong as a male doing it. PERIOD.
It has nothing to do with "fear", it is simple social dignity to not push your nakedness onto others.

[MovingOnAgain]

Hey man, I agree that rape is rare and shouldn't be much of a worry to people, even if someone is naked. Nonetheless, that's partially the reason why being naked outdoors is illegal. I'm just the messenger, not the defender. If it was up to me, I'd let people be more naked if they wanted to. Nonetheless, it can't be that way for many reasons that obesity doesn't struggle with, so they're nigh impossible to compare.

The reason it's rare to find fat people in 3rd world countries is because that condition is countered by the fact that many people barely have and my thing to eat. In which case, it'd be healthier to eat regularly and obese, than to starve and be skinny. My grandmother barely eats any food. She eats like 6 bites of Colombian food or salads, works out everyday, and keeps gaining weight. It's not that simple.

I believe our disagreement comes with the idea that they're promoting fat. There's a difference between saying "it's ok to be fat" and "you should strive to be fat".

[MovingOnAgain]

Being against fat-shaming is about representing the former point, NOT the latter. Being fat isn't healthy, but it's generally ok. Not AMAZING, but ok. Not THE BEST, but ok. As long as they can continue living as they want to live, and check in with their doctors, and everything seems fine, then it's ok.

[MovingOnAgain]

Autocorrect changed "anything" to "and my thing" lol.

[SkipStop]

🤮 DISGUSTING 🤮 She could beat a sumo wrestler. What idiot from Cosmopolitan thought it was okay to put her picture on the front cover? She needs to be fired immediately. And if this fatty dies from health problems, that employee should be put in jail. The employee basically encouraged her and potentially other girls to binge eat and destroy their bodies. Ashley Graham is okay. I can accept her figure. But this fatty? Unacceptable. How would you feel if your little daughters saw her and became their role model? Imagine your daughters being 300+ pounds in middle school. Good luck with that health insurance.

[Anon-ymous1]

Seriously. Thank God there are SOME reasonable people left.

[OnlyYouKnowThat]

As I wrote in a similar discussion on here:
Being positive about your body is one thing. Normalising obesity is another. Obesity is a disease that decreases the life span and leads to a range of other illnesses and problems. Unfortunately this disease has reached epidemic proportions in many countries, and it is decreasing the quality of life of millions of people, shortening lives and creating a burden on our healthcare systems. Sadly there is a dramatic rise of children who are overweight and obese and we are setting these kids up for a future of cancer, depression, diabetes, vascular disease etc.
Trying to normalise overnutrition/obesity is not helping sufferers, children or our society in general. Being proud of your body is good but trying to promote obesity as sexy and sassy is stupid and detrimental.

[Johnnie1000]

She is not a plus. She is well beyond plus. She looks unhealthy and has canckles or what ever it's called when fat falls over fat. That is so unhealthy and will be limiting her ability to move to the stage much less walk on it. This is not fat bashing. This is poor health bashing. That cover page look is really not attractive. Swing arms is not healthy and thighs falling over knees is not pretty.
She is not pretty nor is she plus size. She is morbidly obese and that is a bad example of women or men. Now the last and next to last are plus. Plus by fashion designers. That kind of plus is fine for me.

[nalaa]

Ok... fair enough
But where's the outrage, when magazines show underweight model (which is basically all of them)
If you're gonna be upset about unhealthy role models on magazines
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The image of Lais Ribeiro on Elle or GQ with a BMI of 16.6 should be equally as upsetting
But clearly it's not entirely about health, is it? At least not for most people

[MelaninDoll]

Cause people don't think of girls that are underweight the way they think of girls that are overweight (nowadays). See back then people actually talked about anorexia, and you could probably name one or two organizations where they help girls with anorexia/eating disorder. Now it's just all about feelings and trying to make everyone feel happy even if their life is on the line.

[Maik567]

The thing is that a BMI of 16.6 is still DRASTICALLY healthier than a BMI of 48.1 (which is Tess Holidays). There are long distance runners with a BMI that's considered clearly underweight but are you gonna say that they are not healthy? But I can guarantee you that you won't find ANYONE with a BMI of 48 who is considered healthy.

[Sososinaxoxo]

I could go for that next but I've been meaning to get Holiday for a while

[englisc]

Over 65% of people are obese in America, that's a bigger problem than anorexia.

[nalaa]

@englisc Yes but how many obese people are on magazine covers vs. how many underweight people?

[englisc]

That's obvious, but people aren't interested in anorexia acceptance because it's obviously bad. In fact in order to fight this issue, they've gone too far to the other extreme in promoting another unhealthy body type, one that's much more common.

[EnglishArtsteacher]

Let me start with this premise: I don't find Tess Holiday, or any obese women physically attractive at all. I also try my best to eat healthy, and exercise daily.

With that being said, I don't see why you care so much about other people. If someone chooses to live a lifestyle, how is that harming anyone else? It's their choice. If Tess Holiday wants to weigh 1,000lbs, and literally die of her weight, why does it matter to you, or anyone else?

On top of this, are unhealthy people really that bad? Are we going to start shaming people for having cancer, and other diseases as well?(Yes, cancer CAN be caused by lifestyle choices).

I would be interested to see what people would say about a woman who is conventionally attractive, but has several health issues. Would he/she feel the same?

[Sososinaxoxo]

I don't care about Holiday or the others.
I care about how the society we live in is glorifying obesity and unhealthy people.
Holiday is an example.

[Sososinaxoxo]

Also, people with cancer can't help that.
Obese people can get rid of that fat disease,
Easy.
So no that wouldn't be the same.
That is one leaping logic you've got there.
XD

[Anon-ymous1]

"Why does it matter to you or anyone else?" Whhat? Because people influence people, that's why. What are you talking about? If enough people become obese (which is the world in which we already live right now), then people will just generally accept it as "normal," when it's not. Tell it to your liver and your heart and your joints that it's normal, when they're crying out for you to lose weight so that you don't die at an incredibly early age.

[EnglishArtsteacher]

@Sosoniaxoxo You didn't read what I said, or you didn't read close enough.

First of all, I really don't know anyone glorifying "unhealthy" people. I haven't seen a "Let's Go Diabetes" sign recently, or a "YOLO: I Got Cancer" slogan anywhere. Sorry for the sarcasm, but claiming "the society we live in is glorifying unhealthy people" is an absurd claim. Even if someone glorifies an obese person (and that's rare as it is), that doesn't automatically mean he/she glorifies "unhealthy" people, since they are obese people with no health issues.

Second of all, as I mentioned, there ARE cases where cancer is caused by unhealthy choices. Skin cancer, lung cancer (just to name two) are caused by unhealthy choices most of the time. There are many diseases, and other health issues caused by unhealthy choices, not just obesity.

Why do you care if people glorify any of this anyway? What does it matter to you, or anyone else?

[EnglishArtsteacher]

@Anon-ymous1 I can see how adults influence kids (that could be a problem), but if you're an adult (even an older teenager), you're quite naive to be "influenced" by an obese person, to become obese yourself.

[Anon-ymous1]

Dude by then you're already obese because you've been around it your entire life. Do you know the levels of obesity that run rampant in the youth of lower-income communities nationwide? It's staggering.

[EnglishArtsteacher]

@Anon-ymous1 Yeah, lower-income communities in general. Most obese people I see are middle-aged, or even elderly at times (which makes sense, since your metabolism slows down).

[Servus09]

I understand what you're saying and I would agree that the promotion of obesity is silly. At the same time, everyone has their own beauty standards, and I know some people find larger women to be exceptionally beautiful. We also have an obesity problem in the United States, so hiring models who reflect this fact makes sense from a marketing standpoint.

We should definitely encourage people in a positive way to lose weight. Not because we don't like how they look, but because we want them to be around in their 50's, 60's, and 70's. It's just a fact that if you carry fat around your vital organs you are at increased risk for certain cancers and heart disease.

The body positivity movement is detrimental to the health of Americans. I don't think we should lose sight though that these are people with feelings and positive encouragement is probably the best way to address this issue.

[PsychoKiller]

While you are right about health issues, why are we not talking about the quite literal elephant in a metaphorical room? That shit is downright ugly and unattractive for everybody except people who have a fetish on fat fucks. That should come up before any health issue. Why do we pretend ugly shit is not ugly? Especially since its shit they can control, but choose not to. How about I grow my nails, hair and beatd and look like a fucking hobo, and if you dont call me beautiful you are all shallow discriminating fucks. Fuck modern society

[MarkRet]

Having all that extra weight is obviously not good. It's like carrying an extra person around. After so many years, the pancreas just gives out and stops producing insulin. End result? Diabetic. The ankles give out from supporting so much weight, and then the overweight person was problems walking. Ultimately, the taxpayers end up subsidizing this behavior.

As for Tess Holiday, she's attractive in the face, and without all the extra weight, she'd have a pretty nice body. The tattoos on her look bad. She kind of flaunts her fatness and tattoos in your face.

[fenia]

you are so wrong because of your perspective
the point is you should let people decide for themselves
what kind of lifestyle they choose to follow

who are you to tell them what's unacceptable?
nazis wanted the perfect body , the HEALTHY body as you call it

well, people are not perfect and we should TOLERATE with them
and their decisions.
You are free to turn her down as a partner
but don't push your ideals to her
giving me the excuse
"i care about you" or the society..

you are not, you are only a selfish person who wants to dictate people what to do.

[Sososinaxoxo]

XD They are unhealthy!! Someone needs to tell them
Stop eating all the ribs.
They are going to the grave!

[Varanus]

I don't think anyone should be discriminated against or treated poorly because of the shape of their body. That said, being overweight, and especially obese is really really bad for your health, and it's high time we stopped pretending otherwise. And your weight IS a choice. It's not always easy to stay at a healthy weight, but it's really empowering to realize you do have control over it.

[EnglishArtsteacher]

I know many people in the medical field, and there are many cases where your weight isn't a choice. Thyroid issues are common, as well as Basal Metabolism issues, and there are many other factors which can cause people to gain weight.

[Varanus]

@EnglishArtsteacher There are medical reasons that may make it harder to stay at a healthy weight, but in the end, you don't violate the laws of thermodynamics. If you don't eat more than your body uses, it's physically impossible to gain weight.

[EnglishArtsteacher]

My mom has an overactive thyroid, and it causes her to gain weight. That has been documented by every doctor she's talked to (and as a nurse, she knows too).

[RazmanianDevil]

Like i said before give it like 7 years either she'll be fit and a little chunky or she'll be fucking dead from heart disease or maybe just maybe something disastrous would happen to weed out the fat people... like rabid dog overpopulation they can't run so they'll just get bit and fucking die.

[stf75013]

is that obese peace of shit what American call ''curvy''or ''thick'' ? Iam asking for a friend... a retarded friend...
Seriously... ''plus sized model'' ... mwahahahahahahahaha !!!
what kind of mammal is this? ... poor American boys... you have to deal with this kind of whale... a pig face stuck on an hypopotam body... and some women think there is nothing wrong here mwahahahahahahaha !!!
Thanksfully, this kind of madness haven't reach France yet... well, some femininist are trying but normal people are making so much fun about it that we have a little bit of 'sanity time' before it hurt us...

[genericname85]

this is just this disgusting trend that political correctness. who gives those sick chicks the right to shove their morbidly obese bodies in our faces? they should be ashamed of having let themselves go thus far instead of being proud of their disabilty that could be easily fixed by willpower.

[Anonymous]

Frankly just let those people kill themselves if they want to. That sounds horrible but they are not contributing a single positive thing to the universe. They use and waste so many resources including food and health care and they verbally assault anyone who calls them out on it.
She's eventually going to lose a foot to either diabetes or clogged arteries and she'll stop being glorified then. That's assuming she doesn't die from a heart attack first.

Side note: Damnnnnn Ashley Graham is hot. You're right she should be what plus size models glorify. A healthy girl who has a more naturally curvacious figure not flab. But you're not going to motivate these people to stop. You just have to let them eat themselves to death. It's one of those issues that will actually take care of itself if you don't get involved.

[Anon-ymous1]

Side note: Daaamn Ashley Graham is not hot in the slightest, wow.

[Opinion Owner]

@Anon-ymous1 If you don't think she's hot that's your opinion. I can decide for myself if I find her attractive or not.

[Anon-ymous1]

And you can be wrong.

[Opinion Owner]

@Anon-ymous1 About what I like? No I'm the only one that can be right in that regard.

[Anon-ymous1]

What you like promotes obesity, and obesity is bad. This is very simple. Your opinion is wrong. Whatever man; enjoy whales if you want.

[Opinion Owner]

@Anon-ymous1 So you didn't read my opinion. Got it.

[Anon-ymous1]

Yes, I did. And Ashley Graham is fat.

[litty]

It's a generation thing. Centuries ago being fat was a sign of wealth, fortune, and fertility. Nowadays, people are aware of the health risks caused by obesity so who will see eye to eye with fat people? For some, the only way people learn is by experiencing it themselves and when their confidence skyrockets like the woman on this take, that may take a while lest the pride comes before the fall.