Who the Real Feminists Are!

[Anonymous]

Usually feminism means the equality between the two genders , but the western fake feminists have been mistaken it , they destroy the morals of women , leaving them with no core belief , they protest in democratic countries instead of doing it in countries that women need it the most .

It all begins in 1978 under the leader of Abdullah Ocalan, the first military feminist party emerges which was PKK. It was established under the belief of communism and feminism, it was against the oppression of women in general and the oppression of the Kurdish nation under Turkey.

They were well backed by their men who wanted a better life for their women as there is a saying in Kurdish "jina jiyan azadi" as it means women, life, and freedom as there is no life and freedom without women. This party is active till this day and they still fight the backwardness and oppression against women and their nation.

Again in 2014 they split into YPJ which means women's protection units. They had to fight against the Islamic state. They fought for their rights, their people, and their land, and they crippled the ISIS movement and won. It was mostly their core belief that made them strong because they were well educated about it and believed in victory. They educated their men instead of hating them, while the main goal of western feminists are to hate on men and blame them instead of taking action in a non-hostile way because hating on men will never bring equality, only love can.

You are not a feminist if you hate on a gender, it will only make you sexist. Real feminism will bring love and equality between individuals, educating them so there will be protection and love between the two sexes.

This was a very short take but if you think deeply, it will mean a lot, as long myTakes tend to be boring so better make it short and meaningful.

[Edanurus]

The is was interesting, kind of like a car crash but interesting.

Ok here's what I think Aiko thinks that you are saying 'not all feminists' when in actually fact your arguing against that line with "no even the bad feminists are feminists you don't get to chose because you disagree with "fake" feminists".

This is why anti feminists have a bad name.

Seriously though how do you say rape is the same as "feminist"?

[SomeOtherGuy]

He's young and does not understand his points or the nuances of what he's arguing. Probably best to let him toddle around.

[myTake Owner]

@SomeOtherGuy I have nothing to say when western men are weak and emotional af, being older doesn't prevent you from the fact that you are very afraid of your society and never man up , probably younger people here are tougher than most older westerns because they have seen more and they aren't weak craps.

[SomeOtherGuy]

Your emotions are a cage. Mine have set me free.

It's unfortunate that you think isolation and corruption are strengths.
That a lack of care or empathy for those who are weaker than you shows a lack of character.

Hopefully one day you get to face yourself in the mirror when you have children and see what your own self-loathing has wrought when they devour themselves from the inside like you have through isolation and fear of human connection.
When they topple their own empires because they never learned to nurture their people.

I can have empathy for you then. And empathy for you now. That you will only know internal suffering and never know what its like to feel liberation from your emotions because you never had the guts to explore them.

But please, keep believing that you are somehow superior in ways you have no idea how to quantify, and that have no baring on your ability to succeed.

[Edanurus]

@SomeOtherGuy @Muhammad1999 Just so you guys know this was meant to be a reply in the middle of @jellyroo opinion towards the weird stuff going on with @Aiko_E_Lara. obviously i screwed up and posted it as an opinion

[RolandCuthbert]

Weird mytake. There are people here who hate on Kurds and have literally claimed PKK is a terrorist organization.

But you have taken the time out of your day to rail on western feminism.

[myTake Owner]

The haters are Turks or brainwashed westerns

[RolandCuthbert]

Well, I would think they could be "Turks". But I don't think your average Westerner knows the PKK from a Dunkin Donuts.

[Sorgulayan_birey]

Im kurdish and pkk is really a terör

[myTake Owner]

@Sorgulayan_birey they fight against Evil erdogan , Turkish government is the real terrorist , dear.

[Sorgulayan_birey]

Hahahahhahaha

[myTake Owner]

@Sorgulayan_birey xD...

[RolandCuthbert]

That's what I mean, don't the Kurds have enough enemies without picking a fight with Western style feminism?

[myTake Owner]

Well you are totally right with that.

[pitzi]

Feminism is the advocacy of women's rights based on the equality between the sexes, which means feminism acts towards bringing equality for women and not for both men and women.

A REAL equality movment is needed in the west (because some rights women have men don't). The middle east and Africa need feminism.

[pitzi]

Not all of the middle east and africa though of course. Israel has equal right for women.

[ThatItalianBastard]

I would disagree. There are still some rights that men don't have that woman do that no one talks about but life goes on just the same.

But in the Middle East and in African countries there are woman being stoned to death for just showing their bodies. Not in revealing ways, just showing their faces to the world.

That is troubling and it needs to stop. So I support what this militia is doing.

[ThatItalianBastard]

I later found out that this militia group is not a proper advocate for fighting against woman in eastern countries but rather use it as a cover up for terrorist related actions. So excuse the fallacy of that last statement.

[pitzi]

@ThatItalianBastard
I agree with that though. I never said it's not true. But it doesn't work like that the other way around. I said there's "equal rights FOR WOMEN" and that a real equality movment is needed because men don't have few rights women do...

[pitzi]

"Because some righs women have men don't have".

[pitzi]

And again I clearly said the middle east and africa does need feminism. You literally misunderstood everything I said and "disagreed" when we have the same view.

[myTake Owner]

@ThatItalianBastard " I later found out this militia group is not a proper advocate for fighting against women in eastern countries rather than a cover up for terrorist
Related actions " , first of all you don't know shit about my country or what's happening here , you soft Italy crapy government with the West were funding Isis when we tried to stop them , without this militia you won't have a safe life , Isis members could easily flee to Europe and cause mass destruction, don't try to sound intelligent here on gag if you don't know anything.

@pitzi Isis was only 150km away from Israel when the YPG stopped Isis strength , you should call someone terrorist when they protected you from the terror themselves.

[jellyroo]

When are we stopping this?
Feminism isn't what you specifically want it, or think it, to be. There are no laws on who can call themselves a feminist, it's a diverse ideology and movement, not a club with strict memberships.
Stop pretending like you get to dictate what "real" feminism is.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

There's no law on who can call themselves rapists and I don't see many people calling themselves that. Why? Because of the ideology.

[jellyroo]

@Aiko_E_Lara absolutely awful comparison, but okay.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Absolutely awful attack but okay

[jellyroo]

@Aiko_E_Lara Attack? What are you talking about dude?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

And awful? What are you talking about?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

If you call yourself a feminist then congrats. You hate men.

[jellyroo]

@Aiko_E_Lara I think it's a genuinely awful comparison. That's not a personal attack on you as a person, unless you'd really like to view it that way.
And we actually DO have genuine laws that describe what a rapist is. So there's that.

[jellyroo]

@Aiko_E_Lara what? I'm not a feminist... But okay?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Just because there's a law for it? Oh sure there are many other things I can call myself. I'm a bad person who do good deeds because not all bad people do bad things. Not all bad people have motives. And I never said I'm being attacked as a person. That's an attack to my response.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Justifying it makes you one. Finally a feminist who denies.

[jellyroo]

@Aiko_E_Lara oh geez. Dude, I'm not a feminist. What exactly am I justifying? I'm disagreeing with the MyTake because I don't agree with the notion that you can just say "noooo, reeeeeal feminism is gooood" and simply disregard all the bullshit conducted by feminist groups and individual feminists.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

"diverse ideology" I don't see masculism or chauvinism as a diverse ideology but a misogyny

[jellyroo]

@Aiko_E_Lara it is diverse, whether you like it or not. There are NO specified rules, other than advocating women's rights in relation to men's rights.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Ok assholes are diverse. Assholes are good too. *shrugs* Lets destroy the ideology.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

We don't need to give masculism a diverse meaning. Masculism is masculism and we don't want a gender war.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

But what I'm doing is stopping the ideology BS

[jellyroo]

@Aiko_E_Lara I'm not a fan of having to slap a gender-based label on yourself in the first place, so I'm iffy on that.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Well I didn't ask for it anyways. Not asking if you're butthurt and wanted slap a gender-based label on me.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

I gave you my point on why I called you such. You can give you your point why you're about to.

[jellyroo]

@Aiko_E_Lara Are you okay? I never put a gender-based level on you, and I'm not butthurt. You come on my post and start raving, just relax. I'm not out to get you dude.

[jellyroo]

**label**

[Aiko_E_Lara]

I said about to. I know you didn't. I'm relaxed. I never said you're butthurt. I'm talking about "feminist"

[Aiko_E_Lara]

"I'm not a fan of having to slap a gender-based label on yourself in the first place," Did I ask for it? Your point?

[myTake Owner]

You didn't get the point of this take , as always there are people who speak before they think

[jellyroo]

@Aiko_E_Lara When I say "yourself", I don't mean YOU specifically, I mean it as in "when one puts a label on oneself".

[Aiko_E_Lara]

I get it. You're bringing up the past to change it's ideology

[jellyroo]

You're trying to tell me what a real feminist is, I understand the meaning of that just fine, and I don't agree.

[jellyroo]

@Aiko_E_Lara no, I'm not. Seriously, you okay bro?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@jellyroo Yes I'm trying to and it is NOT diverse. I thought you know the meaning of it. Seriously you ok?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@Muhammad1999 Those girls on your mytake aren't feminists.

[jellyroo]

@Aiko_E_Lara I don't only buy the textbook definition of feminism, sorry. Again, feminism doesn't require a membership. It's made up of individual, just like religion and politics, so you're bound to find some level of diverse opinions.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Then they're giving people issues. It's their loss.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

They're giving themselves a bad name. You're just like justifying a bad name saying it's diverse that's all.

[jellyroo]

@Aiko_E_Lara I'm not justifying a bad name, my whole POINT is that you can't make feminism seem great by pointing out a specific small section of feminists who "do it right".

[jellyroo]

@Aiko_E_Lara I am NOT a fan of feminism. I would never apply the label to myself.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Then don't call it diverse then. You're just giving a wrong information

[jellyroo]

@Aiko_E_Lara I'm not. But if you are ignorant to the individualism of the human condition, I can't help you.

[myTake Owner]

"My whole POINT is that you can't make feminism seem great by pointing out a specific small section of feminists who "do it right", the ones who don't have equality ideas aren't feminists , they are man haters , there is a difference between man haters and feminists

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@jellyroo "it's a diverse ideology" "I'm not" way to prove me right

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@Muhammad1999 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uj3kSyJjedg skip at 2:32

[jellyroo]

@Aiko_E_Lara I'm not justifying feminism itself by pointing out it contains a wide range of people.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Muhammad1999 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcTqEEQBalI&t=281s
Skip at 1:54

[jellyroo]

@Aiko_E_Lara and the response was to you claiming I'm giving wrong info by calling it diverse, which I consider false.

[myTake Owner]

@Aiko_E_Lara there is no point arguing with western women , it's like arguing with a wall or something else , they are so brainwashed to the point they attack anything that's not in their interest a little bit , anyone with enough intelligent will get the main idea and the political surrounding.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@jellyroo And this response is for you claiming I'm false which I consider false

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@Muhammad1999 Western feminist, eastern feminist, feminist is feminist.

[jellyroo]

@Aiko_E_Lara I'm not claiming YOU are false, I'm claiming your statement to be false.
Listen dude, do you like feminism? Simple question.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@jellyroo I don't like feminism and you're the one who said feminism is diverse which is false.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@jellyroo Read your first opinion

[jellyroo]

@Aiko_E_Lara if you don't like it, this whole conversation is pointless, I feel. i can't help that you know nothing about the kinds of people feminism contains

[Aiko_E_Lara]

If you don't like me saying it's false because it's true then it's not my problem

[Aiko_E_Lara]

It's true that it's false

[SomeOtherGuy]

@Aiko_E_Lara
You're claiming Feminism to be a monolithic organization.

This is demonstrably false. If you were to take a look into Difference feminism and Gender feminism alone you'd see a large divide. As well, Marxist Feminism vs Conservative Feminism is at ends. The list goes on.

So right there we can see that Feminism doesn't adhere to a strict set of clearly defined ideologies under which to unify.

As well, there is no hierarchy in Feminism to declare any form of Feminism good or bad. There is no high-ranking leader to tell people what to think. Rather, it is left up to the individual to decide what ideologies they ultimately adhere to.

Thus, jellyroo is correct in her assessment that one cannot dictate what "Real Feminism."

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@SomeOtherGuy I am claiming feminism by it's actual meaning which I made a point it's misandry but indirect. If they're not misandrists then they don't have to call themselves that. Not saying it's an organization of man hate but it's a movement. I never said they hate men to the extreme. It's just like saying a lie is a lie no matter how big or small it is.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Masculism or chauvinism is a movement of women hate, misogyny. Simple as that. If they have to make feminism complicated, why is chauvinism simplified?

[SomeOtherGuy]

@Aiko_E_Lara Sorry but you do not get to dictate the terms on which things are defined. Especially not based on definitions that are merely convenient to your argument.

Claiming that something is defined as "misandrist" because it is easier for you to argue against is straight up textbook strawman fallacy. Anyone with a basic college education can argue that down, and it only makes you look uneducated. I don't think that's what you want.

Also, you're rambling and backpedaling.

I can confirm that misandry exists in Radical Feminism, and that you are valid to oppose Radical Feminism with your own ideologies.
But because Feminism is not a hierarchical monolith, and does not place Radical Feminism higher or lower than any other Feminism, I can say that is not what Feminism is about.

It is unfortunate that you focus on this minute aspect of Feminism within the movement. Especially since there's an emerging pocket of feminism trying to support men that does not get recognition.

[SomeOtherGuy]

@Aiko_E_Lara
I will give you this. I have never heard of Chauvinism or Masculinism.

Are these just the Red Pill Movement?
If so, those are gaining Nuance like Feminism, but there is still some distinct issues with them being reactionary.
The problem with them being reactionary is that they have grown from a reaction to Feminism, and thus are defined by Feminism.

They are not defined on their own terms, which is problematic, because they will always be a slave to Feminism.
The same goes for a lot of Anti-Feminism too. They are slaves to Feminism because they were created on the terms of Feminism and to react to it, but not to be independent from it.

[SomeOtherGuy]

@Aiko_E_Lara
If you're invested in creating a man's movement, you must create that movement on it's own terms, free and separate from Feminism and not created to react or build itself based on Feminism.
It must focus solely on men as they are across a wide spectrum. Defined separately from women and defined separately from societies wants and needs. Just like feminism was carved out.

This must be done to be liberated from Feminism. Which the Red Pill Movements often are not.

[SomeOtherGuy]

@Aiko_E_Lara Also it's ignorant to think that Anti-Feminists exist to abolish Feminism.

They don't. They thrive just as much on Feminism as Feminists do.

The purpose of Anti-Feminists is to critique Feminism. This is important, and it's ufnortunate that the two don't listen to one another.
(However, the Chris Raygun and Lacy Green union at least bridges some gaps.)

On the other hand, it is the job of chauvinistic males who see women as inferior to abolish Feminism and return male dominance.

I appreciate Anti-Feminists. I do not appreciate Male Chauvinists.
I can differentiate the two pretty easily.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@SomeOtherGuy @SomeOtherGuy Which I'm not saying I am. I never said I'm a chauvinist now did I. As an anti feminist, I am not abolishing the movement or the rights women ALREADY made. I'm stopping any rights activists. Now look at the meaning of feminism. The advocacy of women's rights which we no longer need. Sure you never heard of masculism because it is made up? Not feminism?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

It's called enough is enough and it doesn't mean taking away their rights like male's rights activists do.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

I accept the equity but it I'm not letting them get carried away.

[SomeOtherGuy]

@Aiko_E_Lara
So you are just that, a critiquer of Feminism.

I'd argue that you should have much stronger, more nuanced critiques of Feminism. That begins by having an educated understanding of it. As is evident, you do not seem to know much about it. Going in blind like that can leave you rather exposed.

But again, I can appreciate your desire to improve Feminism.
Also I never accused you of being a Male Chauvinist. I actually just have a tendency to have vaguely directed language which can make it sound like I'm being accusatory when I'm actually not. Rather, it's a warning to anyone who would read this with chauvinistic intent.

As for Female Rights, I would argue there's still some forward work that needs to be done. Let me ask you, are there still branches of the government that bar females from entering?
Or access to birth control that men have that women don't on insurance?
(Viagra vs Birth Control Pills)

Not to mention women vs men in occupations.

[SomeOtherGuy]

@Aiko_E_Lara
Culture needs to make sweeping reforms not just to put women in power in high ranking positions, but also sweeping positions to put women into low ranking jobs reserved for men.
But make no mistake, there is an issue at the higher levels when 50% of the population is women, but 28% of the Senate is women, and 10% of Board of Directors are Female. That deserves investigation into why women are not in these positions and how to get them there. Especially if women are doing better than men in school.

As well, to put men in jobs reserved typically for women, such as working with children, in order to remove stigmas about men and child raising. Or, to put more men in hospital care positions to also remove the stigma of men being unempathetic or violent.

I also don't think it's fair to say the Red Pill movement is a monolith. There are men who do care about women. But I see it less often than I would like.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@SomeOtherGuy "I'd argue that you should have much stronger, more nuanced critiques of Feminism" You're just judging me on how I stop rights activist. And why are you bringing birth control into this? You're just over analyzing my act even tho you know nothing about me as I just explained.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Using big words like that doesn't really make you straight to the point

[SomeOtherGuy]

@Aiko_E_Lara
I don't need to know you. I'm not attacking you or your character.

I'm exploring and dissecting your argument. Based on your responses here, it was evident you did not understand the thing you were arguing against.
I'm encouraging you to do some studying so you can give a nuanced, accurate and fair critique of Feminism so that it's productive.

Arguing against Rights is not enough. Not all classes of Feminism are seeking Equality of Rights. Some of them are seeking other forms of Equality. Social Equality. Equality of Opportunity. Political Equality. Economic Equality.

Further, if you're going to critique Rights Activists, you'd do well to come up with a solution to close the gaps between male and females in various professions. Especially those in powerful positions. Under-representation is a very clear and major issue. You can't just leave those hanging and expect women to be okay with 28% and 10% representation.

[SomeOtherGuy]

@Aiko_E_Lara
Also, you can't be mad at me for approaching a college level subject with a college level vocabulary.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@SomeOtherGuy If you don't need to know me then I don't need that kind of argument and justification.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

And also, you can't be assuming I'm mad or anything

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Assuming someone's mad made them one

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Makes*

[SomeOtherGuy]

@Aiko_E_Lara
I don't think you understand what I'm saying anymore.
You almost sound like you want me to start attacking your character.
Or becoming your new best friend?

By the way, the only reason I know as much as I do is because I lost a lot of arguments when I was 20. I then went out, studied up, and then changed my opinion and fixed my argument.

When I was 20, I knew about as much of Feminism as you probably do.

Oh, and "You can't be mad at me because" just simply means "You are complaining about this."
I don't actually think you're angry.
It's an American phrase.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@SomeOtherGuy Well I don't think you understand what I just said either and then you're putting your judgement on me again. Ok what ever you think it's an opinion but I'm doing nothing of the sort.

[SomeOtherGuy]

@Aiko_E_Lara
We need to go slowly through this:
"Well I don't think you understand what I just said either and then you're putting your judgement on me again. Ok what ever you think it's an opinion but I'm doing nothing of the sort."

A) What did you just say?
B) What do you think my judgement is?
C) What do I think is an opinion?
D) What "nothing of the sort" are you doing?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@SomeOtherGuy
A) Feminism is not diverse. It's one specific movement
B) "You almost sound like you want me to start attacking your character."
C) How should I know your idea of an opinion? But for me, an opinion is something that's not in the dictionary or based on people's perspective.
D) "You almost sound like you want me to start attacking your character."

[SomeOtherGuy]

@Aiko_E_Lara
A) I already disproved that. With clear reasoning and example. You have yet to provide a rationale argument against my counter-argument.
B) I don't think you understood. I am making an argument to counter YOUR ARGUMENT. I am not trying to argue anything about YOU as a person. Therefore, why do I need to get to know anything about you? Your argument should be detached from you, as a person.
C) I was actually referencing this line: "Ok what ever you think it's an opinion" Because I don't understand what you think is an opinion.
D) This is an exaggeration because you think I need to make an argument about YOU instead of an argument about YOUR ARGUMENT.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@SomeOtherGuy
A) I already disapprove your disapproval
B) I don't think you understood I'm referring to you countering my argument but as a person. I never said you're judging me as a person.
C) I already told you. An opinion is an idea based on what people's perspective which doesn't make it true.
D) Again, I'm not taking it personally. I'm referring to you arguing with what I said not about me. I guess everything is an opinion then because everything has a meaning in the dictionary. You're not basing feminism on the dictionary but probably what you seen or heard which makes me say it's an opinion you're giving.

[SomeOtherGuy]

@Aiko_E_Lara
A) Could you elaborate on how? I seem to have missed the part where you looked at my argument of different kinds of Feminism and how it wasn't a monolith and had no hierarchy, yet many differing branches at odds with each other. How exactly did you disprove this, please elaborate.

[SomeOtherGuy]

@Aiko_E_Lara
I gave you a studied glimpse of feminism using real, college level terminology that you can look up. I'm... kind of at a loss on how you think that's opinion when it's clearly academia.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@SomeOtherGuy Because you're basing it on something else not the dictionary. If you disagree with what the dictionary have to say, it is there for a reason. I'm straight to the point.

[SomeOtherGuy]

@Aiko_E_Lara
You also keep getting hung up on this weird idea that I'm trying to argue an opinion when I'm not...
I'm giving you information that exists at a college level within textbooks.

Also you seem to think I should be arguing and attacking your character. Or not attacking your character?
I'm ignoring your character or who you are. Because it's irrelevant to your argument.
But you seem to think I am?

I can't tell.

What's your native language. Maybe it's just a language barrier. And what's your education level?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

If you disagree with me then I disagree with you. If you think you're the fact and you think I'm the opinion then I'm the other way. You don't have to tell me anything and I don't have to elaborate. I'm comfortable with my own knowledge. I can disagree with you anytime no matter how many "facts" you give me and I don't care if you disagree with the facts I gave you.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

If you don't believe in what I gave you then I don't believe in that collage text books of yours. Simple as that

[Aiko_E_Lara]

That collage text book is exclusively for people who took that course but the dictionary is for everyone and it's been there for centuries.

[SomeOtherGuy]

@Aiko_E_Lara
Oh... You're just poorly educated. That's all.

At this point I feel you're on the verge of saying that the sky is green, not blue. Simply because you feel the need to be a contrarian.
Also, because you hate the idea of authority or expertise.
Also because you hate to be wrong.

If you hate textbooks and education and prefer ignorance, or your own bias and detachment from existing knowledge, that's on you. I'll sit here and enjoy the luxuries such things bring me. Like working cars, and fusion reactors, and power grids. Feel free to reject those as well. Clearly those are opinions and you can counter them with your own opinions.

Also you have yet to give me any facts. If you think the dictionary. com definition of "the advocacy of women's rights on the basis of the equality of the sexes" is enough to encapsulate a century worth of movement, figures, and subgenres, then that's on you.

But it certainly isn't enough to base your own ignorant opinion off of.

[SomeOtherGuy]

@Aiko_E_Lara
I uhh.. I really can't help you. You're kinda on your own here. Willful ignorance and complete denial are things I don't really tolerate. Especially because you seem to believe it's a valid argument.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@SomeOtherGuy I've known that text book and I'm not ignorant with it but I simply disagree with it. You're also ignorant thinking that education is everything but there's something called logic and wisdom isn't taught much.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

You're academically speaking basing everything on what you learned.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

So yeah you're also being biased

[SomeOtherGuy]

@Aiko_E_Lara
I just explained the logic to you and you denied that.

How can it be a hierarchical monolith if it has no leader and various parts are at odds with each other?

Your points are dissonant and make no sense. There is no logic or rationality behind them.

You lack both the wisdom to recognize those who have more knowledge than you and are blatantly displaying a lack of logic.

Like... come the fuck on, dude.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

So if you're gonna base feminism on what you learned then I based feminism on videos I watch with over 640k likes and 10 million views.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

I explained my logic to you and you also denied it

[myTake Owner]

@Aiko_E_Lara don't waste your time arguing with garbage people , time is precious dude

[Aiko_E_Lara]

I can also say I make sense but you don't get it. Just because you say I lack logic and wisdom, It doesn't always make you truthful.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Why don't you take your own advice?

[SomeOtherGuy]

@Aiko_E_Lara
I'm aware you're uneducated, so I'll break it down.

If something is hierarchical, that means that there are people at the top telling people at the bottom what to do and think.

If it's a monolith, it is a unified front that has no division.

And yet, there is Marxist and Conservative Feminism. There is Difference and Gender Feminism. That ruins the Monolith idea you seem to be suggesting.

And I couldn't tell you the current leader of Feminism. Or any leaders of Feminism. Only contributors. None that controlled the whole movement.
So that ruins the hierarchical argument you seem to be suggesting.

So yea, it's not a monolith like you say it is. And with Difference and Gender Feminism and Transfeminism you can get into some real diversity. Not to mention the other branches.

So... your argument just doesn't hold up to logic.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@SomeOtherGuy I'm uneducated about that topic yeah but there's a reason why our country never offered that textbook because of western media. If I'm being bias then so are you. Why feminism Is Misandry ↗

[Aiko_E_Lara]

So what ever you think of me being "illogical" I say you're bias

[SomeOtherGuy]

@Aiko_E_Lara
There's nothing I can do.
I can only tolerate ignorance for so long.
You seem to be certain that you're way smarter and wiser than any man alive at the age of 20. But can't form a logical argument that makes any sense.

I just can't tolerate that. I can't tolerate someone who thinks half a second of study makes them an expert, far more so that historians who have dedicated decades studying something upclose.

Your arrogance will likely keep you in a place of poverty and ignorance. So enjoy that.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@SomeOtherGuy I can also tolerate your ignorance. And that's a nice attack and that shows your ego is shattered. I don't understand what you're saying either simple. Smart alec

[Aiko_E_Lara]

I mean't by your ignorance that C students are more likely to me more successful too. You're only being one sided about drop outs being in poverty even tho drop outs are dominate the extremes of being successful and not which I'm not saying I am.

[SomeOtherGuy]

@Aiko_E_Lara
I already can tell you have barely begun to grasp this new argument you're making. I refuse to indulge you by explaining why you're misinterpreting everything you've been told.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@SomeOtherGuy Oh how can you tell? You don't have to argue if you don't want to. It's not me.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

You know nothing about me and I'm not even trying to start a new argument here.

[DevilsAdvocator]

No, the PKK are an example of who real feminist militants are. Citing the PKK as feminists who "educated their men instead of hating them, while the main goal of western feminists are to hate on men and blame them instead of taking action in a non-hostile way because hating on men will never bring equality, only love can" is definitely whitewashing the PKK, and the conflict in Kurdistan. If you want a better example of who the real non-militant feminists are, you'd be better off looking at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umoja,_Kenya, along with the story of how it was founded and how it's survived in a genuinely non-hostile, non-violent way (which, unlike the PKK, didn't involve assembling an arsenal of illegally smuggled military-grade weapons and using them to slaughter people, including civilians):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrnmBLB-UX4

[DevilsAdvocator]

And a bit more, with the main founder of the village going into more detail about the story behind it (including clarification that "'We didn't build the village as a women's village without men; we were just given this name by the men here. It’s like a dirty word to them.") www.dailymail.co.uk/.../...men-aren-t-allowed.html

[humor_me]

Good to know. Thanks for that.

I am always pleased when I see a woman who doesn't need to be rescued by a man (sorry if this offended anyone - but it is how I feel).

Being independent is very sexy. (again - apologies for my brutal honesty).

[AllThatSweetJazz]

There is no "real" feminism. Please just drop it.

It's this incessant complaining that this or those people are nor "real" feminists that just confuses the issue. It's to the point where I would say that if you cling to the label of feminist over actually being helpful then you are very much a part of the problem just as much as any of these so called 'not-real feminists.'

State what you want and stand by it.
If you're arguing with your enemy about who gets to use a particular banner then you're just going to fuck up the battle. For fuck's sake just let the label go, you're not going to shrivel up a die just because you don't use the label feminist.

[bamesjond0069]

You said "It was established under the belief of communism and feminism..." well this feminism is the same as western feminism, the problem is they are communists, so any time a man can do something better than a woman, they are going to freak out and try to distribute his earnings, winnings, success whatever. Real feminism at its core is not communism. But that isn't a thing in the real world, so all feminists are communists and trash as far as I am concerned because communism is for losers and people who are shit.

[ThisAndThat]

Yeah but no. Feminism got it start when two individuals got together, a banker and his classmate. Now think about that. Feminism started as a way to destabilize and cut the population as in eugenics and it done its dirty job very well. Feminism has turned the laws and gov against men, women against men and men against women. It's roots have thrown men out of the family unit and taken his children awarding everything to women.

[OneSlip]

A true feminist is my grandma.
She is a 76 years old lady that has a PhD in Mathematics, lives alone, works in her garden, grows vegetables and fruits, takes care of her own, and still even chops wood.

In shorter words, my greatest hero.

[Johnnie1000]

Are you really sure that feminism, real feminist, want everything equal? How horrible if we are all equal in everything. All women and men are equal in strength, feelings, looks, the eradication of 'the feminine touch" or a man's inclination to protect. Or is it more about women having opportunities and being able to think their own minds and act as they see fit?

[SomeOtherGuy]

Equality is never clearly defined in the broad scope of Feminism.

A lot of subsections of Feminism each have their own ideology of equality. For some, like Difference Feminists and Neo-Feminists, equality means retaining traits of "Femininity" and "Masculinity" while retaining even consideration and reward for their contribution to society.

For others, equality may mean something different. There is no clear answer to the question of "What is equality?" in Feminism. Each idea of equality is thus valid in Feminism.

[WhitePanther88]

I agree good take

[John_Doesnt]

Anybody can point to extremists on both sides of the argument. Obviously extreme sexism towards women has been around a lot longer than so-called "Feminazis". And the truth is that sexism still exists in every part of the world.

[Logorithim]

Very good Take, and excellent Points. Kudos to all those who fought IS, and Victory would not have been possible without the female fighters.

[ZeussLightningBolt]

The PKK and YPJ are terrorist organizations

[yucel_eden]

This is a very good take.

I am not the biggest pkk fan due to their narrow minded ness in communism and socialism but I do like the rights they give to women which only a few western countries give.

[yucel_eden]

GET READY FOR SOME TURKS

[yucel_eden]

@48YEARMANFROMSOMALİA what you said is not true.

Pkk kills soldiers and does suicide bombings to bases and police but it doesn’t rape people on a systematic basis. The Turkish army has raped and killed Kurds on a systematic basis from 1970 to 2000 but no one said anything.

I don’t like the PKK but it’s a saint next to the Turkish government.

[yucel_eden]

@Benedek38 guys I have better things to do then argue.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

There are "many kinds" of feminists and a certain kind of feminist always disagree with other kinds of feminist and calling them fake and call themselves real but the dictionary still remains truthful.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Feminists who hate men, feminist who are strong and independent women, feminists who advocates more women's rights (which is what the dictionary says), feminists who also advocates for men's rights, feminists who strongly believes in equality AKA egalitarians. They just want feminism what they want it to be ruining it's meaning.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

They aren't feminists

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Got something to say? Tell me. Don't just down vote. I can destroy you anytime.

[Anonymous]

You actually wrote something extremely good... Get ready for the haters lmao

[Opinion Owner]

@48YEARMANFROMSOMALİA If you are Turk and saying these shit, I can forgive you.
The whole country is brainwashed by your ridiculous excuse of evil president after all

[spunkygiraffe]

I love the message that you are spreading! :D

[myTake Owner]

Thanks :)

[alexd745]

"You are not a feminist if you hate on a gender, it will only make you sexist" That has always been a part of feminism. I would argue that the PKK and YPJ aren't feminists but military groups and that the fake feminists you mention aren't fake at all but the real feminists

[alexd745]

I've just googled the PKK and discovered they have been branded a terrorist group. Maybe they are feminists after all.

[myTake Owner]

They protected your asses against Isis

[BreakingSound]

Oh, look, a man explaining what Real Feminism™ is all about. That's never happened before.

[myTake Owner]

Your profile pic says it all...

[BreakingSound]

And there it is, insult my face, didn't see THAT one coming either.

[myTake Owner]

Nah I can sense people's personality based on their looks.

[BreakingSound]

lol, okay bud.

[Someguynamedbob]

Because men’s opinions are worth less, yes that sounds like equality

[SomeOtherGuy]

It's a little presumptuous to tell someone what is and isn't "Real Feminism", so her critique of your argument is valid.

Feminism is not hierarchical. There is no one at the top calling the shots and gatekeeping.
One form of Feminism is not more valid than another in the eyes of feminism because it is not a monolith, and it does not prioritize some ideals over others.

You, as an individual, choose the ideals of Feminism you believe in, and you validate your own form of feminism from it.

You've validated your own ideals on what Feminist ideologies you follow. But you cannot say what others should follow. That's not how Feminism works, @Muhammad1999

Some Feminism can be classified due to influential ideologies, but that does not make them more or less valid. Only what they are, more influential.

And after their influence dwindles, a new form will gain influence. Such is the ebb and flow of feminism.

[Mitinal]

Nice, look here children, This is the dumb feminazi who fights opression by posting worthless shit in the internet while driking her Abrakadabra Pumpkin Stracalate Coffee. You must choose. Be a bitch and do what you do, or be a feminist and go fight for something... I think I know what you will say... Anyway remember, that what I did is not internet rape! Have a nice day

[monkeynutts]

Cool, I do like these combat units, they are respected all over the world.

[ATuairiscean]

Excellent very educational and totally new to me

[myTake Owner]

Glad it helped

[Sorgulayan_birey]

this person is making propaganda for the terrorist organization pkk
Im kurdish ama pkk is really a terör organization

[OldSchool_Metalhead]

great take

[myTake Owner]

Too many shits downvoted you

[OldSchool_Metalhead]

Agreed man lol