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It’s actually her choice not his and her choice. This is why I don’t begrudge men who refuse to pay child support for out of wedlock babies. She has more BC options and gets to make all decision so the bitch should be on her own
That would be pro abortion if it's focused on abortion.
If it's her choice to keep the baby then I'm also fine with it.
I believe that there is nothing worse than killing a baby. There is no way to justify it. It's disgusting and should never ever be an option. It should be made illegal.
If you consider it "killing" because that baby is "important" then maybe we should all change our birthdays to when our parents had sex. "It's disguising" because feelings. If you wanna talk about religion then God made a brain.
It is called BIRTHday. No pro lifer thinks the birthday is your first day of existence
@marish01 There is no official record when the parents had sex making that baby. Why does it really matter?
Sperms and eggs are living things. "but but but it's different" They don't think like humans do so set your feelings for that fetus aside and think.
Birthday is the day you were born not the day you came into existence
@marish01 Born. And fetus aren't born. so? 'Why does it really matter?" You're dodging my question
If you don't kill then they will be born
A fetus has no citizenship like humans so it can't be qualify as murder.
Is that your justification of abortion?
@marish01 People has been justifying masturbation. It's a mass murder then
Sperm has one DNA. It's not a hyuman being. Learn biology
@marish01 I throw a seed and it hit the ground. It grow in my lawn but I don't like it so I dig it out now I'm cutting a tree? So what if it has just one DNA? It doesn't mean they have no potential. And what if a fetus has 2 DNAs?
If I can't reply, it just means you blocked me. Saying this just in case
Like why does it even matter if they have 1 or 2 DNAs? If you're gonna whine about that fetus then you should be whining about young rape victims not allowed to abort.
As they're likely to commit suicide. So does unwanted children. Is that what you want?
Why should rape victims she allowed to kill?
Can they kill the rapist? No why should they be allowed to kill their OWN CHILD
@marish01 Why not both?
You're keep saying no without any rational reason but an emotional one
She could be broke and have no money to support her child as she's too young for that. You know what they say, "if you can't support a child then don't make a child" Which is what the rape victims have been trying to avoid.
"Why should rape victims she allowed to kill?
Can they kill the rapist? No why should they be allowed to kill their OWN CHILD" I have to come back to that "OWN CHILD" That's not just her own child. That's also the rapist's child. "But but but that child didn't do anything" Yeah sure the child didn't do anything. Except for the fact that it's being inside her womb causing her pain.
"There is no way to justify it." Here's just ONE personal example. My first wife DIED because she wouldn't get an abortion, despite her doctor and myself pleading with her. The unborn (I'll never refer to them as less than human; that's immoral) perished at six months, and she was in complete denial when the spotting started. In the end, septicemia is what killed her.
Natural spontaneous abortions occur more often than actual live births. And pregnancy deaths of the mother are still a thing. So unless and until you have a medical degree, with a specialty in prenatal care, kindly keep your uninformed, grossly mistaken opinions in your own skull, where they belong. there are a LOT of things worse than killing a baby. Like killing the mother AND the baby.
Actually, it varies by country if they have citizenship or not. nor is that germane to the question of murder. Every country acknowledges that unlawfully killing non-citizens is still murder.
@marish01 sperm has 13 strands of DNA. Learn science yourself...
@marish01 Because their own child may kill THEM. It's self-defense.
@taleswapper only when it's dangerous pregnancy.
@marish01 Not only that but also a self defense for causing them pain which is literally every pregnancy. She has nothing to do with that child in the first place.
I am pro vasectomy and bilateral-tubal-ligation. If you are selfish enough to have or even consider an abortion for sport sex, you are way too selfish to ever have a kid. Killing one through an abortion or by raising one in hate is equivalent. Best that you all just get fixed, in is the better choice.
Why selfish? Because feelings?
Have you ever walked into a urologists office (or had a young, 20-something woman go to her gynecologists office) and ask for sterilization? It ain't gonna happen. At least not in the US. The only doctors who perform sterilization surgeries on young and/or childless people are unscrupulous.
@Shambala I got my vasectomy at 19 and it wasn't easy. The only one that would do it was a woman doctor. Yeah it is hard but so what.
Abortion is murder, and should be banned. Moreover, the culture that gives signals it is normal and desirable to have random and unprotected sex that leads to astronomical numbers of abortions is fine. What we need is to restore family values, and life styles where sex is practiced mostly within wedlock. We also need to make people act with more responsibility. I am fed up with the 'I can do what I want' attitude. That works in some jungle, and with obvious results. Our civilization did not become great based on such attitudes.
Well we pro choice don't believe that a fetus is a human life and it's not a human murder. Bash all you want. If you believe were supporting or indifferent to murder then we believe you support suicide and hardship.
I believe you are a horrible person, twisted and sick.
You too sir. And I believe bashing makes you of an asshole because of your feelings.
I still think you are disgusting and utterly morally depraved.
Well ok. Repeating an opinion doesn't validate everything.
All I am saying is that I find you depraved.
yeah? and all im saying is repeating what you said doesn't make it a fact. Sure you want a baby born but not fed well, taken care of, educated and treated well and it's a leading cause of suicide. "But the baby dont deserve to die" The child don't deserve that hardship either and so does the mom. Make that 2. And that's what you want right?
What benefits would an unwanted child give? Specially if she's force like incest rape.
It is a fact that I think you are evil.
Oh yeah it's easy for you to say that the baby didn't do anything. Except for the fact it's inside the young women's womb causing her pain.
I am sure all those hundreds of thousands of aborted babies are results of rape.
You sir can't even elaborate using rational thoughts. All you say are "you sir are evil" Can't give anything else other than emotional reasons.
I'm putting my emotions to that young women carrying that not something that can't talk, walk, speak or think like us.
by the way do you have anything else logical to say? If I can't reply to your sullen response it means you blocked me.
I think you are just a cynical woman alienated from her femininity and humanity, which supports attitudes and values that are deplorable and that are literally killing our society.
Ohh guess what? Our world has over 7 billion people now. And what if I told you, that don't just really benefits the mom but her family too.
Because you're old like 27 makes it easy for you to say you're willing to take care of a kid. Lucky you you don't even get pregnant.
@hans1416 Just in case you'll anonymous yourself.
Makes me wonder what kind of trash you can get to make you pregnant in the first place, that you are so concerned with the option to abort that baby.
Why would a microspocic orginisim on another planet be called life and proof of aliens but fetus' are not considered human beings and are disgardeged from all of this rights and liberties. A fetus' in or out of the womb is a person who is entiltlied to life.
It's a life but not a human life. It's a fetus life that shouldn't really matter that much. You kill many lives a lot when you masturbate or when you kill an insect. If you don't want me to compare a fetus to those things then don't compare fetus with humans.
A human fetus' is a human. It's in the fucking name numb nut fuck
In your opinion. Not everyone has the same perspective with you
Pro choice is nothing but the acceptance of women killing their own kids, it's the acceptance of murder.
In your opinion. I don't consider that as murder.
I don't see how, how do you not see ending the life of person as not murder just cause it hasn't been born yet? That's how all life starts. You were once a fetus.. you wouldn't be here to say it's not murder if your own mother killed you before you birthed.
Life beings at birth. If you're gonna consider life before birth then I consider cells which are also living things. "but but but it's different" They don't think like humans do like insects we kill every time and not considered murder.
Sure I wouldn't be here like millions of my siblings who hasn't reached the egg
Life doesn't just begin at birth, life begins in the womb, you do know that fetus heart develops and starts beating at just 6 weeks right? That means the clock on life as has already begun.
Welp that don't really concern me. It doesn't matter. I don't know and have no past memories with that baby. I don't know it's name, I don't know what it accomplished to make the world a better place. Ok sperms are moving and there are millions of them dead. So why does it matter? Feelings?
All your reasons are rather emotional but rational. There's a benefit in abortion. It don't just benefit the girl but the father and the family to if it has no consequences. But sure it causes harm to the mother but better than causing harm to the family and the child. This is a rape case.
"If you don't want a big issue then don't take sex for granted. I support that better." See that last sentence? I'm still indifferent if the mother aborts her child because of accident but it doesn't invalidate me saying it's her fault for not being cautious.
Well it's kinda hard to give a name or watch the baby become part of society if you kill him or her before they're born. All the babies that have been killed through the years, could have been amazing adults who did something amazing in the world.
Or could have suffer with mental illness causing harm to someone else because they're mistreated.
If you're gonna judge pro choice as "it's the acceptance of murder." Then it's easy for me to say that pro life is the acceptance of hardship and suicide.
Thus speaks someone who has no idea what murder is, and has probably never been pregnant.
"If you can't support a child then don't make a child" What people say. What happened to that?
im sorry but that was a piss poor comparison, no pro life is not the acceptance of hardship and suicide. Yes life is not all candy and butterflies but life is a beautiful gift that we should all embrace. So because life isn't perfect that's your're reasoning for murdering babies?
Because you've never been threatened you with a knife to bend over with no body around. Think about this. She could be broke and have no money to support her child as she's too young for that. You know what they say, "if you can't support a child then don't make a child" Which is what the rape victims have been trying to avoid. And because accident is the leading cause of unwanted pregnancy, it doesn't mean rape victims should be denied.
@taleswapper Don't speak on what you don't know, I was pregnant but lost my child due to a miscarriage.
Then pro choice isn't an acceptance of murder then
If you consider abortion as murder then masturbation is mas murder
masturbation is murder? wow... I'm sorry but what are you even talking about? No masturbation is not murder, if you're trying to say a man cumming is murder then i don't know what to say to you. When a sperm and egg combine that is a brand new life forming, when leaned this is biology class. A sperm is just a sperm, therefore no murder is being taken place.
And abortion is murder? Wow! I'm sorry but what are you even talking about? I throw a seed and it hit the ground. It grow in my lawn but I don't like it so I dig it out now I'm cutting a tree should be fined?
Look that's a terrible attack "What are you even talking about" This is my opinion and that's your opinion.
Most women getting abortions are not rape cases, it's women who are carelessly getting pregnant, i see the rape argument being used all the time for poor decisions being made when the truth is women and men in 2018 are having unprotected sex and having unwanted pregnancies.
Most but it doesn't mean all. If you think I support abortion, that's not what I saying. I support their choices. This is literally my last sentence "If you don't want a big issue then don't take sex for granted. I support that better."
It is also their choice to keep even if their raped. I'm not a pro abortion who minds someone bash on someone else's business.
How the hell would you even know what that baby's choice is? They can't control themselves from being born.
That's not even an attack, I'm literally asking what are you talking about cause what you were saying doesn't make sense..
I AM speaking from personal experience. I lost my wife and our unborn child. So yeah, I think I get to speak.
If that's what you think all babies wanna be born
Well you don't make sense having feelings over something that can't talk, feel, breath, eat, etc. You should be worrying about someone underage pregnant because they're victims.
I'm not talking about accidents here. That's different story. That is why I said don't take sex for granted.
If I can't reply, It means you blocked me. Just saying this just in case.
yes, abortion is murder.. it's the ending of a life.. the fetus can feel pain at 20 weeks and earlier. so if a fetus at 20 weeks is being aborted, it can feel everything happening.
I have more rational thought to back it up. I said it from the start. Set your feelings aside.
And how do you know? Did you remember yourself as a fetus?
That's not the only reason why you shouldn't have feelings for it. What exactly did that fetus do to make this planet better? Don't think in advance but think about it's past.
We have over 7 billion people throwing plastics in this planet.
Nobody doesn't remember anything when they are fetus, that's the whole point of coming into the world so you can create you're own memories. This idea that because you don't have memories as fetus means you're not human is ridiculous.
Then by your own standard admission, you're guilty of involuntary manslaughter, at best.
See and you can't remember anything? It can't remember the pain then. It still can't think rationally like developed human beings.
Of if it's murder then fine. Legalized murder. Doesn't mean we legalized murdering the developed ones. Why the hell does it matter?
But it can feel the pain, that's what your missing and not getting.. remember i said at 20 weeks the fetus can feel pain. Just because you were not outside your're mother yet doesn't mean you weren't human.. everything takes time and development, nobody pops out as a fully grown human being.
And just because you're not a rape victim, you'll just give those victims a hard time making them wish they're never born. I said it before and I'll say it again, they can't remember a thing like how you forgot your womb life.
"being normal to suicide is not ok. It's not normal to be indifferent to people who has made it far. The baby hasn't even accomplished anything yet. It has no name, social image, citizenship, birth certificate or etc. unlike people who are already born. No body has an official record of what specific day when they had sex. I don't even know what date my parents had sex when they made me and IDGAF. So I personally couldn't care about the baby being aborted." I feel like you dodge that part.
So if you suddenly forget all your memories tomorrow you're no longer a human being right? Cause by you're logic if you don't have any memories you're not a human.. which means i guess we can go ahead and kill you.
If life begins in a womb then society should have an official record about when their parent's had sex to make that child.
Fetus is a fetus. Human is a human. So what if they're humans according to you? My point is if they forget their memories, they're now humans.
See? You are so vice versa
If I can't remember my human life because I'm a corpse now then I'm a corpse. Not a human. Same with fetus not remembering their fetus life.
Human corpse and human fetus are still technically a human but they're not reasonable like humans like us. Born with the power to think rationally. They can't do that.
Um no you forgetting your memories doesn't necessarily means you're a corpse. It's called amnesia and people get it everyday, so for the people who have amnesia and forget everything about their life.. are they no longer human?
I'm not amnesia. I know what amnesia is. You just didn't really get when I'm saying. I'm talking about death.
that makes no sense, no society does not need a record of when you were conceived, however, doctors can predict when the baby was depending how far the mother is in her pregnancy.
I never said "because I lose my memories, I'm a corpse now" I said "If I can't remember my human life because I'm a corpse now then I'm a corpse." It means "If I can't remember my human life because I'm dead now then I'm a corpse."
You really got mixed up with the sentence structure there. Saying "it doesn't make sense" as an excuse to dismissing is a scheme of not finishing what they started.
I know you're talking about death, but when i mentioned you forgetting you're memories I was talking about amnesia.
Then that's not what I'm talking about. It seems like you're starting a new argument to get dismiss the previous topic.
I'm not talking about amnesia or anything. You're making that up.
Back to the topic. You only believe that babies can feel pain because of what you studied from pro lifers but you haven't even experience then yourself.
Because the nervous system and the brain have developed around that time, that's how they know the fetus can feel pain, just cause you don't feel doesn't mean they don't.
How do you exactly know? Feelings?
The only way for people to know what it really feels is to experience it themselves which none of us even remember.
But if you can feel even if you haven't experience then it's called sympathy. You're using your feelings.
Which I don't have sympathy on unborn children. I'm more sympathetic to people who can't bear the pain of having kids because they're victimized.
It's still murder regardless if the fetus can remember or not.. the heart is still beating, the brain has developed. And how do you know if they don't? Do you know or are you just assuming cause I'm telling you around that time during the development the fetus already has it's nervous system.
"Not an excuse to kill their own child" "but the baby didn't do anything"
2 things.
1. It's not just her "own child" It's also the rapist's child
2. Sure that baby didn't do anything. Except for the fact that it's inside her womb causing her pain.
Ok then if it's murder "regardless" then masturbation is a mass murder "regardless" and we do that every time.
And do you think you're not assuming either? You're also assuming they can feel and remember things.
Just because of "studies says" sure they can can be bias.
Biased about their feelings and sympathy that is. They can religious too.
Just because they have a nervous system, does it even mean they work like actual developed human's nervous system? Not exactly. You're the one who's assuming they exactly do.
If your basing your opinion on what you studied as a loophole then I'm basing my opinion on obvious facts that a fetus can't do shit like fully developed humans.
nobody can't do shit as a baby dude, like c'mon when you were a baby you couldn't do shit either, your mother or father had to take care of you.. that doesn't mean people have the right to strip you of your humanity the same way your striping a fetus of their humanity.
Then that's my point. No body can do shit as fetus so it's normal for me. "that doesn't mean people have the right to strip you of your humanity the same way your striping a fetus of their humanity." That's just your opinion.
And that's an emotional reason.
It's not an emotional reason, it's just common sense. a baby has to be taken care of and grow to be an adult to take part of society, that's how life works... if everybody thought a fetus wasn't human then people wouldn't bother starting families.
What about raping? That is not how life works.
You're talking about starting a family which is a valid reason to keep the baby. And when did I say I'm a pro abortion telling people to abort the baby even if they're raped? It's their choice to discard or keep. You're just bashing on people's choices.
are you not bashing my choice either? But your still saying it's not a baby regardless if the parents want to keep it or not and technically you are saying you are pro abortion cause the entire time you been saying it's not human if it doesn't have memories or feelings. Not all abortions are rape cases, most of them are women just getting abortions.
Sure if you're not bashing on my choice, maybe you shouldn't have judged abortion as murder. "Not all abortions are rape cases, most of them are women just getting abortions." It doesn't mean I should care.
I mean why? It's none of my business. I don't support it being illegal.
I'm not changing your opinion and you're not changing mine.
Or our opinion
Well i dodnt read the whole thing, but i would support Britt bratts opinion. The first two sentences that she said
Law and the medical community disagree with you. Judge lest ur be judged... who said you get to be the judge and jury on what murder is? But hey, it justifies bombing abortion clinics right? Kinda like how 9-11 happened...
The whole thing is about accepting of a child murder.
Stop giving excuses of "mistake". If sex was consensual, then abortion isn't valid.
@Q-tip-boy it’s not murder no matter how many times you say it. Medical community says so. They know more than you
@Q-tip-boy Except rape is the topic here not a mistake. I'm still indifferent if it's a mistake but I support the encouragement not to make a mistake but truly support if they're rape victims.
@Q-tip-boy Have you ever killed insects before? Yeah? You're a murderer now then. If you don't want me to compare fetus with insects then don't compare fetus with humans.
Then what do you call taking an innocent human life against its will?
@Dargil Murder of a human being. You're talking about a human tho which I don't consider a fetus to be.
I believe I am a mix of pro life and pro choice - I believe in making a judgement on a case by case basis rather than blanket laws
The pro choice movement seems to only advocate that he choice be death.
Pro-choice, AKA pro-abortion. Our culture has to get its mind around it being the in-womb killing of a sovereign human being no different than euthanizing your dependent grandmother only worse. She had a life. Spare me the religion smokescreen. Am I willing to accept tragic exceptions? Yes, and they don't diminish the general rule. A society that kills its children is doomed and any slick disingenuous rationalizations about "my body" are just that.
"Our culture" I stopped reading right there. We don't need another culture. The religious rules are just pushed into your law book and I told you from the begin, set your feelings and religion aside. If you get triggered then it's not my fault you ignored the fact that there's a disclaimer.
1 We stop reading because we don't want to let an opposing viewpoint in. You used "our culture" as an excuse for that.
2. Obviously you can't read: "killing of a sovereign human being" "Spare me the religion smokescreen."
Its not a matter of either religion or feelings. It is about human rights. Surely you believe we have them or I am free to kill your mother.
You're the one who used culture as an excuse. Yep I read that part after posting that reply. For you it's a human rights. That's your opinion which is not mine and no bodies gonna change my view of point. I don't know why fetus life matters to you but I just explained why it don't matter to me. If you think it's murder then fine. A murder of something that can't think, feel, say anything or move like we developed humans do but we kill other life forms too other than that. We kill our sperms and some insects which is considered a life from. If you don't want me to compare fetus with those then don't compare fetus with humans.
**yawn**
It's not a human rights. "But just because of that, you'll justify killing it.. that's wrong" Well yeah? It's easy for me to say just because it will turn into a human, doesn't mean it has human rights.
Indeed. You got lazy to grasp my point of view.
No it's not the man or the woman's choice it's something that both were the reason it happened and they must be responsible enough to realise what they have done
In other words " if you're so stupid to have sex with a man that isn't your husband don't kill the baby and say it's your body because the baby is not part of your body he as his own independent soul" and I think the father should be punished as well if he was the reason the abortion happened
"If you don't want a big issue then don't take sex for granted. I support that better." Is my last sentence.
Me as a pro choice means I'm indifferent about abortions. I don't also care if you're a pro life.
Well the point is that it's not anyone's choice. If my mother wants to kill me now that's not her right because I'm not her property so is the unborn baby. If it's not ok to kill a 18 years old woman
Then it's not ok to kill a baby either and both should receive the same punishment. That's why I think they should ban sex out of marriage
I'm not talking about children who are already born. "But it's not their body. It's someone else's body. It's not their choice!" Read what the fetus say in the picture
"But being normal to suicide is not ok. It's not normal to be indifferent to people who has made it far. The baby hasn't even accomplished anything yet. It has no name, social image, citizenship, birth certificate or etc. unlike people who are already born. No body has an official record of what specific day when they had sex. I don't even know what date my parents had sex when they made me and IDGAF. So I personally couldn't care about the baby being aborted." See how being born and unborn is so different?
But it's alive. It's the same as saying killing a cat is fine since the cat has no name or citizenship. They are alive and they will be a real child after a few months.
If I eat the egg that doesn't mean I didn't kill the chick I actually did
So does killing an insect which people do normally.
So you mean that babies lives are as valuable as an insect life?
Yes and? I don't care if you have a different opinion. This is my point of view. Or our
Who are, all of you?
As if I'm the only pro choice in the world
I literally posted screenshots of the polls. And I know there's gonna be some morons who will say because there are more pro choice in the poll means pro choice is the right movement is not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is look at the poll and if you think there's no body agreeing with me then you're just making a fool of yourself.
I didn't say there isn't there is many pro choice people. And I beleive in pro choice only in case of rape.
You just said that the life of a human is as valuable as the life of a fly or bug...
Then if you have the right to kill a baby I also have the right to kill the abortionists? If it's dog eat dog?
I don't have feelings for something that can't even talk, think or say anything yet. That makes me indifferent if they abort it like I don't have the feelings to be sensitive about it. Doesn't mean I support abortion. It's none of my business to decide for them. And dogs are just like any other animals too which some tribes eat. Talk about western hypocrisy. You eat meet like pork, chicken and beef. You're happy. Some tribes eat dogs because for them it's meat and Indians don't eat beef because it's a tradition and y'all judge. "uncivilized people" Did I say a life of a human is as valuable as a bug? Where did I say that? I never consider fetus as a human life. Just because you do doesn't make me do.
If you don't want me to compare a fetus (Not a human) to an insect/cells then I have a simple solution for you. Don't compare fetus to a human life.
Again it's the same thing as the
Egg and the chick.
Why don't vegan liberals eat eggs?
Because if they wait for the egg it will become a chick. It's the same thing as killing a human while it's drugged and doesn't feel anything. It's a soul and killing a living thing is not a choice but a crime.
That is still your opinion. I don't think an egg is a chick. I don't think seeds are trees. I don't think fetus are humans. I put a trigger warning at the beginning of this my take why do not accept your claim of saying it should be a crime. You shouldn't have heated it. It's called freedom of speech but if you don't really like it, why don't you go back to your safe space and that the grown-ups talk?
But instead you choose to ignore that warning so i don't really except anyone saying they can not tolerate it because of their feelings. Because they feel that fetus are humans. Well guess what? I don't or we don't. End of the story.
So i can also say it should be a crime for not minding your own business and to let a woman software with something she has nothing to do with. Do you want that? No? I guess freedom of speech is dead now if that's what you want.
*Suffer
Killing babies is not freedom of speech. Well the life of babies don't matter to feminists just like the lives of police officers and terrorist victims isn't.
But again liberals will transform the world into a dog eats dog place
Again I never consider it as babies. You do but I dont. Because you think it came from a human doesn't necessarily make it a human. Just like sperm cells everyday. I never said we should all abort but i only said it it's ok because i don't care about it. Indifference doesn't mean i'm supporting
And why do you consider it as a babies? Because you feel like it? Well i don't because i feel like it. It is clearly something that can't talk or think like actual born human.
Guess what this world has over 7.5 billion people. And sure you want the baby born but not taken care of properly right? Chances are that "baby" will die inside her womb due to the mother's emotions because she is carrying something she has nothing to do with. Stress can kill it even if the mother is faking her emotion like pretending to be happy because it is "it should be against the law if the baby will die", that doesn't really change her real emotion she has been hiding that can endanger the "baby". I have a question for you. Why don't you adopt one child right now? You know what they say, if you cannot make money for child support then don't make a child and that is what those victims have been trying to do. Also didn't i say even if that mother is raped she still has a choice to keep it if she wants to? I'm a pro choice and it simply means i support choice not abortion.
Oh and no matter what psychology you use to make the mother happy, that doesn't really work. She can still just fake it off. You cannot force someone to like something they don't like.
I am not a feminist for your information but i support both rights. The reason why i support abortion is because that doesn't really affect other people's lives. That doesn't affects society and that doesn't affect males rights. You can even benefit men like he can get away with child support and the family too. Taking away one is better than having the entire family suffer but you just won't because you think it's a human life.
So if i cannot compare a fetus to a sperm or insects, why are you comparing a fetus to a born human and a chicken egg? Stop your comparisons bs.
Not because I feel like it. Because if you wait a few months for it it will be a human. If you about after the 3rd month that's a human
Which is something the fetus can't control even if it don't wanna be born.
Oh how is white supremacists killing black people affect my life? I can simply say I don't care but we cared because were supposed to care about each other
I though this is about abortion. What does race have to do with this? You're the one who bought that up.
And you might say "but the baby didn't do anything" sure it didn't do anything. It didn't accomplish anything either. Except for the fact that it's inside her womb causing her pain which isn't even worth it yea?
Just because a baby is worth it for you, doesn't mean it should be worth it for everyone. They're not as rich as you. Why don't you take care of one right now? There are thousands of orphans out there. And you being only 13 is not an excuse. A 13 year old girl can get pregnant too.
That's a really good point friend.
They're not rich, they can't get a baby.
Then why the hell did they have sex?
I told you I don't support sex being taken for granted but that still don't invalidate me saying I'm indifferent to killing a fetus. Abortion being taken for granted has bad effect not talking about killing a human life but can be harmful the the woman's health. And you think your point is good? What if I told you, I don't think that.
Being pregnant isn't affecting her health. It's normal because it's a woman.
Second of all: this woman did a mistake and had sex while she can't afford for a baby, why am I forced to pay taxes for her to do that? It's her fault
Even if the pregnancy was an accident, I still don't care if they abort it but they still have to face the health consequences. And you forgot rape cases happens too.
I said it's ok in case of rape or in case the woman will die
"Being pregnant isn't affecting her health. It's normal because it's a woman." Yeah it don't but financially?
It is her mistake but I still don't care because that's none of my business if she aborts it or not.
Do you think kids with teen moms don't suffer from mental illness? FYI a lot of them do.
Well again this mistake shouldn't have happened earlier. People who do stuff like that should be arrested. And they shouldn't be allowed to have sex until 18
But I would care if she chose not to abort it but their child is having mental illness. Doesn't mean I support suicide but I can sue her for not paying child support or not doing an abortion at first.
Mistake shouldn't happen but AGAIN I don't care. Not everyone has feelings for a fetus.
Then people who let a child born and suffer should be arrested too. Go and adopt one right now if you care so much.
Not about feelings but why are out taxes being played for a mistake?
Because it's their choice to do so. I'm not saying they should use the government's money but their own insurance.
And that's the penalty they have to face. Simple. Money + health. Why arrest?
Calling me wicked for that but ironically arresting someone who's suffering isn't too much?
For killing a fetus as if it's the best thing in the world. You have nothing to do with their child. Their child don't benefit you so leave them alone.
Or should I say fetus not child.
i tried to message you. it didn't go through. check your settings.
i think that this started with the homosexuals and then it dissipated into normal domains and unfornately the whores want to kill innocent children.
Good for you but I don't consider them as children and it's none of your business.
Can you elaborate why you even say those are innocent children? I can give you many reasons why they're not. I don't care if you don't buy it. It just means your in denial mode.
if i have a notion that all life is sacred it matters not what age it is when is it ok to kill one?
and if i was marriade and my wife has a baby if i killed it without her consent and she had no recollection would it be wrong?
please help me out because i see it as murder or a women delighting their fancy
am genuinely asking tell me the reason but start with the idea that every life is sacred doesn't matter if their in the womb
Well I'm thinking scientifically and politically since they are more realistic. Sure the baby is innocent right.. Expect for the fact that it's inside the mother's womb causing her pain. Don't tell me you've never killed insects before. They are life forms.
Don't even compare human life with fetus life
That's just your notion then but it's none of your business to bash on people's decision.
if i have a notion that all life is sacred it matters not what age it is when is it ok to kill one?
and if i was marriade and my wife has a baby if i killed it without her consent and she had no recollection would it be wrong?
please help me out because i see it as murder or a women delighting their fancy
am genuinely asking tell me the reason but start with the idea that every life is sacred doesn't matter if their in the womb.
please u dint answer it.
u need to rebuke these whores
"You need to rebunk these whores"
Didn't I say "If you don't want a big issue then don't take sex for granted. I support that better."
Also not all unwanted pregnancy is caused by accident.
"and if i was marriade and my wife has a baby if i killed it without her consent and she had no recollection would it be wrong?" If you don't want your wife pregnant then don't have sex with her. And yeah I don't think she's wrong for aborting the child inside "her" body. You're using your feelings to reason out. Why does it even matter to you?
Stop only blaming whores. There are also young girls getting pregnant because they're victims of rape. If she don't want to be pregnant then.
And lastly, you're typos are bs
and it got me confused for a second
"i have a notion that all life is sacred" Sure. Didn't you know how many millions sperms of your that died in sex? And you only care about one?
"Didn't you know how many millions sperms of your that died in sex? And you only care about one?"
yes. that word CARE how interesting.
prior creation or during it we do very little when it come to the process it was designed by god therefore if the designer made it and he's all powerful and all good that means it was created mirrors him.
u haven't answered answered my question
what was created mirrors him ****
u still didn't answer my question. are you a homosexual?
jesus said straight is the way. by the way
I'm straight. You know what? You also didn't answer my questions. You think you're not dodging anything? You're dodging my point of view and you're not ready my mytake. My answers are there.
There's no proof that mirrors created him
I don't what "what he has created mirrors him" you're talking about. I told you I don't accept religious claims
am not dodging anything. don't become a homosexual that malady almost touched me.
am saying that we are a reflextion of his nature thats why when we sin it hurts him and us.
"There's no proof that mirrors created him"
what are you talking about
i answered the qesution that u asked but don't take it out of context put it within the context of babies
of course y believe in god
You know what? That still doesn't answer anything.
If you think I can't answer you, and you think you can't answer me, stop bashing on people's decision. I say you're wicked for that if you call me wicked because I'm indifferent abortion.
ataully i answered your question look at it again.
How did you know that hurts God?
god regretted that he created the world because people were leaving their nature that was imbued in them so thats why he sent the flood. the bible says that god is angry with the sinners every day and you know that his rage is just because its for our own protection sin is against our nature
Heh that doesn't prove anything. You don't exactly know what's going on in God's mind
I mean you weren't even born in that era
jesus thats the way we know remember we are a reflexion of his nature
and we also have people who lived around that time like polycarp.
u gave me a moral question about a 10 year old but your implying that we both have a notion of right and wrong where does it come from?
Get over it. I don't accept your claim as you weren't born in that era. If you're gonna get offended because I don't accept your religious claim, I put a disclaimer at the beginning of this mytake. You should've heated it. You know this topic contains something you don't wanna hear but instead you chose to come here. So it's not my fault you and your God offended.
am not offended he's also your father. jesus said be holy like your father in heaven is. i asked you something and u could answer it its because u know that your wicked.
that why we have books u know
It still doesn't matter. You're using religion to back up your reasons which is not welcomed here.
Not everyone believes in god!
actually am using god am not a christain the traditional sense what i mean is the history and the misinterpretations is not aline with my belives u know stuff like calvin.
actually everyone believes in god there is no such thing as atheism."god is dead and we have killed him" i hope u know wha that means.
if you don't mention god that means everything that your saying is wrong. don't u know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of heaven.
repent
But I still don't care. You're wasting your time.
Because everyone has their own beliefs. I believe God agrees with me. You believe God agrees with you. Everyone always change the meaning of God. There are Buddhists, Muslims, Hindus, Christians, Etc and they all think of eachother as WRONG.
I'm not entering the kingdom of heaven in your opinion
the difference is that what prove is there that transmigration exits or that we are in the age of shiva.
god said if you love me you'll keep my commandments. god said don't you know that the unrighteoust shall not inherit the kingdom of god. jesus said not ever one that says to me lord lord will inherit the kingdom of heaven but those that do the will of my father
"god said" *yawn* Sure because recording devices and cameras were a think that time.
*thing
Here's my notion. What God really said is edited by people to manipulate society.
I wish those who are pro-abortion has been aborted by their parents. Their mistakes anyway. The world would be a better place without them.
I hope you don't mistake pro choice with pro abortion.
And I also hope those pro lifers are aborted. The world would have less drama without them.
How pro life of you. 😀 Hypocrisy is a common characteristic in pro lifers.
Well it’s usually her choice anyway since it’s in her body
You people are really sick.
and your reasons are stupid.
Way to prove me right miss anon
I put a disclaimer at the beginning of this mytake. You shouldve heated it but you instead chose to read this mytake even tho you know this says things you don't wanna hear so I don't accept your claim of being bitter.
The best way to have someone understand your way of thinking is by being contentious (heavy sarcasm). Good job anon for ensuring that nobody wants to understand your opinion.
Exactly scum of the earth.
@stevenjohnson Exactly. People like you who heated this topic and ignore the fact that there's a disclaimer, starting bashing even if no one's inviting you to. I told you to set your feelings aside but you failed. If you can't take it then just leave and let the grown ups talk.
Agreed with miss anon
@Q-tip-boy If you're also bitter, of course you'd agree
The mental gymnastics here is hilarious. Gag is very liberal dude. So a pro life or choice poll here the out some is obvious
I never said it matters because pro choice has more votes. I just addressed that pro choice has more votes.
The reason why in some places abortion is legal is because pro choice won so that still means there are also people out there who voted pro choice.
Pro choice actually have more supporters in general if you look it up. In the US and Europe at least
@ThiccAsf there's a significant difference for pro choice in the USA and pro choice in Europe. Here in the USA pro choice people have no problem killing a 8 month unborn child. In Europe most people support restricted abortions.
@ThiccAsf "You can say you're a pro choice but it's your choice to keep the baby" I hope you get my point. It's just most people's choice to abort.
I'm not a supporter and I don't oppose it too. Their choice, I'm fine both ways
Girls and their passion for abortion rights prove what I say about girls. Ah well.
I can easily tell by yoir name and comment that you are close to being an incel
*your
good take!
Indifferent? That's a distinction without a difference. Substitute "rape" or "murder" for "abortion" and see how your logic fails.
Basically just selfish millennial women who are snowflakes, spoilt and won't take responsibility.
Well I do not support sex being taken advantage because that's the main cause of unwanted pregnancy. How ever you're still in denial that there are actually women who get raped which is an issue.
And are you just gonna blame them for not taking responsibilities? That's one sided. Why would you care about something that can't talk, think or have feelings?
Always has to go back to that, rape. The women's favourite weapon as always. And if they took some responsibility on that front, it would not be much of an issue.
Just because they use "rape" as a weapon doesn't mean rape is invalid. Don't give me any reason but there are thousands of orphans out there if you're so against pro choice. Why don't you adopt one right now? Don't give me any reason.