Why the Modeling Industry Isn't All About the Product

[Anonymous]

So this a response to some of the comments on myTake.

The Modeling Industry

Now being a model is SO much more than just the product as many people think. It's a job and not letting every race, body type, height.. to get the job because they aren't good for the product is 99% of the time bullshit and discriminating. Because most of the time the clothes they sell and the model is wearing looks amazing on curvy women and all kinds of women and there are models who are curvy (fashion nova) who sells a huge amount of clothes just like the skinny flat ones. Fashion Nova is one of the biggest things right now in the world, so many celebrities are using it and a lot of people are buying it.

Fashion Nova with all different types of models had a net worth of 400 million dollars 2017 https://ecommercedb.com/en/store/fashionnova.com#general-information

And H&M has all races and body types and they have a net worth of 28 billion dollars https://www.forbes.com/companies/hm/#74ce364e7280 .

Vercase that only has one type has the net worth of 400 million dollars

https://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-businessmen/richest-designers/donatella-versace-net-worth/

And Victoria secret is worth 7.6 billion dollars so it isn't all about the product, companies who have all types of people usually make more money.

And now we get to "but they make the product and they fit that underweight skinny tall white model." Well the crazy thing is, most of the time it's not true either. Many clothes that are made are too big for the model and look way better on a person that is healthy. For example this is a model and a celebrity wearing the same thing next:

Now I think tall skinny people are beautiful too but the modeling industry doesn't make more money on underweight tall white women than on different types of women. If you don't believe me give me a source.

Selling a product with different body types and skin colors isn't hard, it has worked so well in many industries so that's not an excuse.

Tyra Banks is one of the biggest models in the world and she has her own show called "America's Next Top Model" where she has tall, short, skinny flat, skinny curvy from all religions and cultures because she knows it is more than just the product. It shows society's beauty and a lot of people right now especially kids are not eating because they want to look like a vercase model. You hear that a lot and by my experience.

Tyra Banks models:

Personally I don't wanna become a model but I want everyone to have the same chance at getting the job. Of course sometimes you will want a tall skinny white flat women but if it's every time then it's not a coincidence. You can watch Tyra Banks new episodes and learn more about modeling because it is so mush more than the product, it's a job who effects society! And she herself had to deal with a lot of discrimination because of her race and because she is curvy. Meaning she has to work like 10 times harder.

Obs! You don't have to agree with me. But I put some facts and opinions on what I think of the situation in the modeling industry. If you disagree it would be nice to have sources and a valuable reason and not just this is all bullshit or something without any reason for it.

[turnmypainintopower1]

i like this take and i agree that model is about the product but SOOO many young girls look up to those models and when all they see is whit flat women and they are different they don't feel good enough that is what i would like to change about the modeling industry

[myTake Owner]

Exacly! And it is a lot about the product but it is so mush more to it.

[turnmypainintopower1]

ya it is sad watching girls and boys grow up thinking they are not good enough because of the media

[myTake Owner]

Agree!

[Secretgardenblood]

Good take

[myTake Owner]

Thankyou!

[Anonymous]

>Things guys have been saying about it forever.

Also, I think it's ridiculous that these people are looked up to. It just seems like the silliest thing.

[myTake Owner]

Agree! The business should really change

[Opinion Owner]

The way to change it is to stop paying attention to the industry. If you're going to pay attention to it then I think they might be using the right strategy for making money. I think paying attention to the industry is the real problem regardless of whether it "changes" or not.

I'm not convinced they're doing anything wrong in terms of racial distribution or body type in terms of optimizing profits, so I'd be interested in any data you have about "the modeling industry doesn't make more money on underweight tall white women than on different types of women."

I'm comparing demographics and approval ratings to see what kinds of racial distributions we should expect.

[myTake Owner]

It says in the text above. And it is wrong to discriminate at least I Think so and I Think Hollywood should start having more empathy. Not Only in modeling but also other business. And prefering is fine but not never giving anyone else a chance

[myTake Owner]

And I agree on the first thing you Said. But I Think talking about it will change it more because that's how we change society.

[Opinion Owner]

That's not data about how much they make and why.

It's just as easily an argument for saying you don't make as much money with higher "diversity" and only the largest companies can afford to do it. Also they are global entities that have an image to maintain, so having *fashionable* politics isn't surprising. Arguably it's a necessity to maintain their brand.

In comparing the racial demographics to attraction preferences it seems as though the current racial distribution isn't that odd. Seems like Asians are over represented, although that's expected. I'm not sure yet about how body type stacks up.

[myTake Owner]

No it's not prove to me it's not true give me links

[myTake Owner]

More People will buy if they see someone who looks like them on the catwalk

[Anonymous]

Have you ever noticed how they ignore the laws of the land when it comes to things like Hollywood?

[myTake Owner]

Sometimes not always. I just Think its wrong to have just one type you can have a perference but not always just one type. And a lot of the time they get told to starve themself. And I dont think thats okay either. Because most are a little underweight it's not healthy

[Opinion Owner]

Hollywood gets away with anything they want in the name of profits rather immoral or unlawful, they do it anyway and get a full pass for it.

[myTake Owner]

Yes and it's not okay. And it's not only in the model industry it's in other industries too

[Opinion Owner]

Thanks for MHO!

[Knighted2170]

I used to be a photographer in the modeling industry. What a lot of people don't realize is that modeling isn't easy. It's long hours and sometimes in uncomfortable conditions.

The tall skinny models are typically runway models, in a historical sense. Off runway, you can find them in the gym working out to maintain their figure right before the season starts.

Fashion models come in all shapes and colors. These are the models who appear for name brands. Historically, they are thin, but it's slowly changing. Instead of being super thin, a healthier look was adopted in the early 1990's. The fashion model industry realized they got a better response when the models had a more natural look about them. They are still highly selective in picking very photogenic people. Meaning few skin flaws and free from "natural" deformity (uneven eyes, ears, mouth. Drooping shoulders).

Industry models are the models who appear in circulars. Known as your magazine models who work for department stores. This is the least restrictive modeling avenue. The agencies are just looking for someone who is photogenic and minor "natural" flaws are mostly overlooked. Still very long hours, but in more controlled conditions than fashion modeling.

The restriction placed on models is purely subjective by whatever agency is representing the model. Go to ten different agencies, and you will get ten different opinions on what a model should look like. Most probably you will also have ten different "flaws" that will be pointed out as to why you won't be able to make it. All of it's BS, if you want to be a model, you can be. Just have to find an agency believes they can make money from representing you, and willing to get you work.

[myTake Owner]

Yes but it will make People have 10 times more harder because of privlige other people have and the racism and discrimaination in the business so it's a bigger problem. And I don't wanna be a model but I want everyone to have equality so they can get the job.

[Knighted2170]

I get what you are saying. Parts of the industry are changing. More in the industry models or "commercial models" area than anywhere else. Fashion Modeling is a little slower, but they are taking in more people. Compared to when I worked, it has really opened up to people of all shapes and sizes.
When I worked as a photographer it was just changing from the super skinny to more the natural and healthy body type.

Unfortunately, I believe discrimination against those who not very photogenic will exist for a very long time to come. If an agency does not think the person will not make them money, they sign them. Even if they do, they won't put the time or effort into finding them jobs.

[myTake Owner]

Yes well it's good we have gone somewhere. And hopefully we keep moving forward

[VIVANT]

I never understood the pseudo logic ‘ models are tall and skinny bc clothing looks better on them. How does it look better on a body that 90% of the time is not going to be in it. Clothes are made for people to wear, if it can’t look good on normal bodies than there is something wrong with the clothing. Why don’t they just make clothing suitable for actually being worn? I really do not understand this.

I am tall and thin and many things look soooooo much better on my smaller curvier friend. I don’t buy it thst clothing just looks better in a certain type. Different clothing looks different on different bodies. Why are they only modeling one kind of body and a body tie most people don’t have. I’d think there would be better success marketing towards reality.

And funny too bc it’s hard to find stuff my size though looking at models you’d think it’d be easy. Nothing comes in the size that it’s advertised in.

Also, if everything was modeled on 5 ft 2 cutie beauties , I definitely wouldn’t buy it bc it would not represent anything I actually am. I can’t imagine wearing something I can’t envision myself in.

Why aren’t there models of every color size

And why is Kendall Jenner still all over the place and paid millions to model? She hates modeling , didn’t work to get there, doesn’t respect her peers , looks so freaking awkward in every shoot and already has billion dollars. actually no one should be paid millions of dollars to model. It’s oretty insane. The clothing companies shouldn’t be making so much in the first place most probably rely on slave labor.

[myTake Owner]

Right! I totally agree. They should make clothes for different bodytypes too and clothes so it's fit that person.

And intressting about the clothes that it's hard to find clothes if you are like the typicle model. According to stores you are wider the taller you are, it's so weird lol

[VIVANT]

Haha it’s so stupid and anytime someone says the clothing looks better on tall skinny people , I’m like 🤦‍♀️

Clothing is _created_ it looks good on what you make it to look good on. A Curvy dress will look like a moo moo on the skinny girl. A yellow dress will look really bad on most people with fair skin but look gorgeous on bronze. Nothing looks good or bad on its own it has to have a target. And if you need to pick a sample size 5 ft 11 size 2, is not a sample of anything but like 3% of women.

[myTake Owner]

Exacly! Well Said:)

[JanetJa]

I can disprove this just by asking you a question. Name one known catwalk model (not a supermodel, glam model, or insta model). You literally can't. Those women are irrelevant to the fashion industry, stick-thin, and being paid to walk as a human hanger. Give me a break. You only know names like the Hadids, Jenner, Cambell, Graham, Whitney, Adriana, Hosk, etc. because those are all GLAMOR models, not catwalk models. There's a huge difference. Fashion is still about consumerism and I don't understand why you're trying to paint a false narrative.

[myTake Owner]

Not true at all. And there are other types of models on catwalks too but Only like 1 %. So try not assume things about People before you really know them.

[Idonthaveausername]

Catwalk models are tall and skinny to fit sample sizes. It's easier for all designers to design for a certain size and find women who fit in them to model than for designers to tailor designs for a model. Most designers know several weeks or months in advance they'll be showing, but models usually aren't booked until much closer to the show to avoid scheduling conflicts

If you hired 10 regular-sized women as models 3 months before a show, but then half of them called in sick, found better gigs, or had family emergencies, you'd be left with 5 garments that wouldn't fit anybody else. Therefore the fashion industry settled on one size with bo curves to avoid tailoring problems. Size 0 costs less money to make than size 6, so they aim for as small as possible

Fashion is about consumerism. While some items look better on real people, it is easier for the industry to present their clothing on stick-thin, unhealthy models. Women want to buy clothes that look good, not just good on women

[myTake Owner]

@Idonthaveausername they loose money doing that and it doesn't take that mush more time and it's mostly about money for them so that's not an argument

[myTake Owner]

And I understand sometimes but not always then it's not okay.

[myTake Owner]

Lets just agree to disagree.

[JanetJa]

@Idonthaveausername SOO well-said. Thank you! Unfortunately you won't be able to get through the hollow skull of someone with the username Spongebob whose final remark is "Let's just agree to disagree" lmao.

[JanetJa]

Also, as a final comment, you STILL didn't name a single catwalk model to disprove me. Why can't you? Maybe because they're all nameless? Secondly, what sources do I have to pull up for this? It's factual, not debatable. Thirdly, Tyra Banks is a glamor model, honey. Glamor models do catwalk. Catwalk don't do and CANNOT do glamor. That's the entire point of your argument, that anyone can be a famous model and that the fashion industry really cares! Koombaya! The real world doesn't work that way because people are selfish and what sells continues to sell despite your feelings. So, you can get worked up all you want, but those old corporate crows don't give a fuck about you or how you feel at all. They just want that good money, which you're eagerly giving out by promoting this dumb narrative. Also, I barely skimmed the article but did you say that Tyra Banks has a show with skinny, curvy, fat, tall, short, etc. models? Honey, whereeeee? Are you out of your mind?

[JanetJa]

There has never been an ANTM show with fat or curvy or short women. Ever. There's only been a promotion where they would take women 5'4" and up but that was just one season. Whitney was on that show, and damn she's gorgeous, but guess what? She's still rocking 5'10" with a skinny waist. That isn't diversity. Congratulations though, you've been dooped. I love how you used Nicki and Rihanna as examples of promoting diversity. Bitch please. As for someone who has done catwalk very, very briefly I might say, this is how fashion shows actually work. We (the models) walk down the runway with each piece. Celebrities take photos of us and the outfit to later show the designer, and the designer hand tailors that piece for them for thousands or hundreds of dollars, designed to fit them. Boom. Do you think these women just shop at H&M and miraculously find something for their silicone asses to fit in? God, I'm done. You've officially given me a headache with your stupid take.

[myTake Owner]

No look at savage ex fenty. Done and read what I said

[myTake Owner]

It doesn't ad up because 99% of the time they want MONEY and they make more money having different types of models most of the time. And most of the time they already have different clothes sizes in the stores but the models look the same. Because they don't want a curvy skinny women or mlre women with color as a model for NO reason even tho they have the clothes and could but in the stores they sell bigger sizes because they wanna make MONEY. Just look at victoria secret. All of them are white tall underweight girls and like 2% other race. That's not a coincidence.

And Tyra Banks is a curvy catwalk model same with rihannas savage ex fenty models. Because they know the industry is discriminating a lot so they are starting to stand up for themself. And that's their words

[myTake Owner]

And I said this before. Just read again until yiu understand because it doesn't ad up. And fix your attitude I am talking about real bit Companys models. You do know they are HUGE the Ones I named and many People discriminate for NO reason and you can prefer but not have discriminate. So what you are saying doesn't ad up.

Next time you argue with someone try to do it in a mature way.
Have a nice day, bye 👋

[azzntittiz]

They want their clothes to look like it's hanging on a mannequin, it doesn't matter how great it looks on other people to them. End of the day, healthy bodies with little body fat looks shows off fashion a lot better. There is little distraction and distortion of the clothes when they hang on the ideal model.

Also, I know celebs get their clothes fitted perfectly for them, yes Rihanna looks hot in that green dress but it is not the same size or length as the one the model was wearing.

[myTake Owner]

That's not true they make less money so that's not accurate try something else. And yes it is because you can see the clothes on the model is too big. So that type of cloth fitted better on a curvy women. And it's funny how you change arguments when I prove facts. You don't have to agree if you don't want equality that's okay but I do. And I explained how before so you can read that

[azzntittiz]

What is your problem? were you rejected by a modeling agency? You need to calm down, I have all the other requirements for modeling excepting the height thing and I am not mad that I didn't make it far because I am too petite, so why you so mad? I am not up to their standard and neither are you, calm down.

[myTake Owner]

I'm not mad and I don't wanna be a model but I want everyone to have the same chance

[azzntittiz]

Maybe they should go do something else with their lives, if they don't meet the standard it isn't their talent, so why should the companies break their rules that were there for a reason? That's the problem with us nowadays wanting to break traditions causing more turmoil than progress.

[myTake Owner]

And you relax I'm not mad I am just standing up for equality. And I'm not taking about the Ones who just prefer one type and have those mostly I'm taking about the Ones who never give anyone else a chance and starve their models

[NEOTUNIA2U]

Some clothes designs fits well with a certain body type, not all body types can rock in every design. It just depends on every persons choice of design and body type.

[myTake Owner]

Absolutly that's not what I said and most of the time it isn't that way. And a lot of times they never give anyone else a chance because of their skincolor not because of the clothes but in that case it is understandble if it's not Always

[NEOTUNIA2U]

Oh I see, race aka skin color is of unimportance to me. Just stated my view on the difference between two models wearing same design. Rihanna rocked the clothes she wore because of her body type.

[myTake Owner]

Yes I agree and she doesn't have the same bodytype and I Think she looked better in that specific clothes than the model

[NEOTUNIA2U]

Exactly. 😊

[myTake Owner]

😊👌 they should really give more People chances because sometimes it looks better than on the typicle model:)

[NEOTUNIA2U]

Yes! 😊

[wootamandawoot41]

nothing is about a product, its usually about the brand. look at nike for example. they market a brand image, not a particular product. the manufacturer and the brand are separate entities. thats my take on it kid

[myTake Owner]

Yes and they have very different models

[Anonymous]

How is preferring one kind of model over another because of their appearance any different from preferring one athlete over another because of athletic prowess or one academic over another because of intelligence? I think people are trying to make too many "rules" as to what we should and shouldn't be allowed to do or think.

[myTake Owner]

Because they aren't as Good these People can do the same job as Good. But Good question

[Opinion Owner]

Well, who gets to decide if they can do the same job as good? Because ordinarily we let whoever is paying for the services decide. Why should this be any different?

[myTake Owner]

Well that's funny because they are usually exacly the same just the skincolor and sometimes there are skinny curvy woman that are really good at catwalk better than skinnyflat ones SOMETIMES and they still don't get it.

[Opinion Owner]

You could say exactly the same thing about literally most jobs of any kind. Usually you only need to hire a couple of people and it's not uncommon for dozens or even hundreds to apply. In the case of jobs like models and actresses and athletes, it's literally hundreds or even thousands. So there may seem to be very little difference between the winning candidate and the next few people. But who gets to make that decision? We don't typically let people other than the person or organization doing the hiring decide, so why would this be the exception?

[myTake Owner]

Yes a lot of people dont get the job because they aren't white and that's also wrong I am against that too. I Think racism and discrimaination is always wrong. And it happends a lot in Hollywood overall. Not Only modeling but now I'm talking about modeling

[Opinion Owner]

So I'm seeing two problems here: First what are we allowed to base our decisions on? I hear you that basing a decision on race seems less good than basing it on intelligence. But where does attractiveness fit in? When can that be used as a basis for decision making.

The second problem is probably even bigger: Who gets to decide what criteria are allowed in decision making? The individual? Should we vote on everything? Or does some appointed group of "experts" get to either decide for us or tell us the rules we have to follow? The specifics matter here.

[myTake Owner]

I Think we should judge by who is food for the job and not their skincolor or bodytype but when it comes to modeling they can prefer but never giving anyone else a chance is not okay and telling their models to not eat is also not okay.

And yes there are a lot of problems

[Opinion Owner]

Okay, I can agree with all of that, but I wouldn't recommend any intervention in terms of forcing rules on the firms or having a panel of "experts" decide or anything else, as any intervention I can think of would be more problematic than the current situation.

[myTake Owner]

Okay maybe it is but it should change someway

[Opinion Owner]

Sure, but the specifics matter. "Change" isn't better than "not change." The "how" matters a whole lot. And that's why the specifics are so important. Making the case that a better outcome is possible is admirable so long as we still allow individuals and businesses to do what they think is best for them voluntarily. If they can be convinced that money is being left on the table, they'll be likely to change. If money really IS being left on the table, then those that do change will succeed and those that do not will fail. If that doesn't happen then perhaps the initial premise that money is being left on the table wasn't correct to begin with.

[myTake Owner]

Yes absolutly and they a lot of times they make more money having different types of models.

[Opinion Owner]

In that case, no compulsion is necessary. We should see firms adopt different kinds of models all on their own. I think this is the way to go.

[myTake Owner]

Yes I Think there should be more different types of people in modeling. But it will take some time to get there but one day it will be better

[kidstalent]

I am a modeling agent. If course you take looks into account when deciding whether to sign or book a model. Of course, they want better looking than average people. However, you do not have to be the stereotype of tall and skinny. There are a problems and justified criticism of the industry but it is getting better. Supermodels are not typical. Most models are not rich and famous. That's ok. This can be a fun job for many people.

[zagor]

A lot of the clothes they try to sell are hideous.

Give me a barefoot girl in jeans and T to one in one of those outfits any day.

[myTake Owner]

Agree! Most clothes are hideous and people wouldn't wear most of them.

[Salmon4056]

Interesting and good mytake

[myTake Owner]

Thankyou!😊

[Rexxx]

I once heard Tommy Hilfiger was racist, but now he's got people of color for models. If he really was racist he must have had to change.

[myTake Owner]

Yes and I hope more People will

[Anonymous]

I'm going to have to make a Mytake replying to this one...

[myTake Owner]

If you want lol but use trustworthy sources if you do to help your argument like I did.

[Opinion Owner]

Don't worry about that lol even though I wouldn't call what you used 100% trustworthy.
Comparison pics :
Rihanna, other chick : this sin't the same dress. The tied stuff in the middle of the breasts isn't in the models pic.
The blue dress Rihanna is wearing is Alberta Ferretti. I wish I could link it but I can't because not enough Xper whatever.

Rihanna/ Kaia Gerber : Kaia is 14 for god's sake !! Of course she doesn't look as grown as Rihanna but it's a shame to compare a teenager to a grown woman anyways. It's not even allowed to model at 14, she just has the pass because she's Cindy Crawford's daughter.

Anna Dello Russo/ Selena Gomez : Anna Dello Russo is not a model, she's a journalist for Vogue Italia so irrelevant and Selena Gomez is skinny too. Except Anna is 56 years old. Unfair comparison and for her age, she looks great.

The Nicki Minaj Versace skirt looks just as good on the model it's just styled completely differently, not the same top.

[myTake Owner]

Actually it is so your wrong there, look at the body not the are, it looks better on the bodytype like selena we aren't talking about age. And I disagree I Think nicki looks better but that's just opinions. Show me an opinion why they can't have more black people and actuall helathy People? And it can't be because of the Product or how it looks because I've already proven why. I want to have a valueble argument with source if you can

[myTake Owner]

*age

[Opinion Owner]

First I'm all for people of color in the industry and there are more and more of them (you'll see that in my mytake"
I'll link it to you when I'm done with it.

[myTake Owner]

Yes I agree there are more of them but not as mush as the typicle type and they get discriminated a lot and need to work harder than the White woman

[nasty4fun]

Well even a great product needs appealing advertisment.

[myTake Owner]

Yes you can have a perference but as long as there is equality which most of the time it isn't anymore ut would have been okay. But hollywood gets away with a lot and not just in the model industry

[chunlilovesvega]

I'm not good enough :(

[myTake Owner]

What? Yes you are. Why would you say that?