I get your message, but the down talking about "chivalry" bugs me. You seem to be calling men stupid for being "chivalrous." It was my MOTHER who demanded that I be "chivalrous" and do certain things in the presence of a woman. I have learned that she was wrong... only because women insulted and berated me for doing so. I thought I was doing something right. Well... live and learn.
I was taught to respect women, but as I have gotten older, I realize that many don't give a shit about that. It's interesting how many guys I know who treat women like shit and have their total respect and attention. It's amazing... I guess I have been doing it wrong.
I don't know if you've been married and/or have kids, but this whole thing about "earned respect" is not as basic and easy as you think. Everyone has their own values and beliefs regarding this. It also varies from culture to culture. Everyone goes into a relationship/sexual encounter with preconceived notions.
Okay. To make things clear (cuz I admit, I confused myself, I’m tired rn so excuse me please) everyone deserves basic respect and in kindness and consideration so that we promote a productive unity among another. This bullshit idea of “chivalry” is taking respect to the extreme because it makes people think that because males have penises and women have vaginas, women should be treated like queens for absolutely no reason outside of the fact that she is female. But in reality, she hasn’t done anything to earn special treatment. And men just have to go along with it because apparently they think it’s their job.
Ok, I see your point. Since men keep hearing about how we are assholes... and treat women like shit, I find myself thinking that I am not that way... and have to prove it somehow.
No hun. If you know you are not an asshole, that is enough. You don’t have to go the extra mile to prove a point. Because then your kind actions aren’t genuine. And that’s what is happening to a lot of guys, they aren’t being chivalrous because they genuinely want to be extra. They just do it because they were either conditioned that way or (like yourself) they are just trying to overcompensate and prove their worth. You alone, are enough. If anyone else can’t see that, it’s their problem not yours.
If you act like a man ill treat you like a man. I am the epitome of equality. If i see you struggling with something, ill leave you to it. I like pussy but not men so ill fuck you and never date you. And i will judge you soley on your accomplisments and net worth. So if you're a waitress or anything like that i think you're a loser.
Unless you act like a woman, then all that goes out the window. Then im glad to help you and date you and judge you on your feminine qualities instead.
"I do not believe women are any better in men and vise versa. No one gender should rule the world."
"Modern men are paying for the mistakes of their great grandfathers. Do modern men deserve it? No. But does karma care about your feelings? No." There are holes in your story. here's an easy solution to your man problem: Only fuck weak guys like me. If my genetics are passed on, in the future men will be weak and women can take their place. Women have ALL THE POWER in the course of human evolution, just fuck guys you want to be around. If you don't want "oppressors" (Strong, confident men) stop creating them.
Oppressing women 😂 I think you have missed the point. Women are not suffering anymore. But men are as a consequence of their past actions. It is not right to punish people for things they did not do... but KARMA does not give a damn. I don’t like it, you don’t like it. But karma does not care.
Not me lol Im just gonna do acid and try and lick rare paintings life is what you make it girl and if you're not oppressed you really shouldn't be so vengeance based. I don't get it, why are you so mad if you're not oppressed?
I’m not vengeance based. I just believe in karma as a force that exists on its own. It’s not in my control. Acknowledging something doesn’t mean I agree with it. And... where in my Take did I say that I was upset?
I don't understand feminism or what they want or how they want me to act and I'm sick of being told how horrible I am for this. If you walk around eggshells for too long, eventually you just start marching. You will be left behind in the progress of humanity.
I’m really confused. Genuinely. I never said I was mad at men. I don’t care for them enough to get upset at them as a whole. Where are you getting this from? Don’t read between lines that don’t exist.
Why don't you care for men though? It seems like a lot of women feel the same. I want to be cared for. For all the years of men ruling that I'm apparently being punished for, there were plenty of men buying nice things for women in order to have sex with them. If karma was real, wouldn't I have a sugar momma?
When I say I don’t care for men, I mean I’m not worried about what they do every second of my life. In that sense, you shouldn’t care for women either. It just means, you mind your own business.
Men in general are being punished for mistreating women. Therefore men are being mistreated (politically) with the crime sentencing and the custody battles... stuff like that. If you want a sugar mama, I’m sure there’s an online sign up somewhere on the Internet. Just go find one. Use your resources.
Your story keeps changing :D if you could do me a massive favor and please please please be good and kind to yourself in the future, it might shine onto others.
Everything I said has stayed the same. If I wasn’t kind to myself, I wouldn’t be doing good in life... and I’m in a good place. So, thanks but that part wasn’t very necessary of you
Funny. Cause I can swear I write a take saying quite similar with not near the same amount of praise and waaaay more criticism both from men and women of either "white knight" or "nice guy" or "incel." Nontheless, great job!
Yas, you go gurl. WAY too many people think that if someone's feminist, then they want all men to die, or at least to cut their dicks off. But this is the real meaning of being a feminist, thank you so much! <3
Even though I don't consider myself a feminist.. well I don't agree with modern feministim I can still agree with you on some of the points you made and I don't judge girls who chose to stand by it as long as are willing to not judge me for not.
I like but you are so open and honest about your feelings towards feministim and that we both can have different opinions yet do it in a pleasant manner unlike a lot of others do these day.
Wow, I loved this! You approached this controversial take in a, "I don't give a fuck," way. I swear, just the word feminist really gets the boy's veins to pop. Wish more people saw it this way! :)
You're a softcore feminist, I'm okay with you. And there's a reason why men hold the doors for the ladies: is so we can look at you butts, forget that "being nice" crap.
she's the real defenition of a feminist, all those "I HATE MEN. I WANT THIS AND THAT EVEN THO I DONT NEED IT. IM NOT GONNA PAY FOR THIS DATE IM A LADY" "feminists" are feminazis. So many people get it wrong so i get it but seriously like this is what its rlly about😂😊
@BlondeGirl_ I don't refer to those, I mean real feminists. The poster here is very soft about it, because some feminists, not feminazi, are obsessed with being victims and blaming men for stuff. Feminazis want men to just die.
the problem with many feminists way to use "equality" is that they either use it as a shield to just be plain racist towards white people. the 2nd more used thing is that they think equality between the genders is a thing when it really isn't. men and women are different in many different ways and that's just the way it is, we aren't ment to be physically equal and we were never ment to be that way, we were supposed to balance each other out instead of getting equal.
You did want attention and praise, dear. That is why you "shared" this isn't an altruistic provision of ideas that will improve one's life. This is a shout into the digital sea saying: "Look at me, this is me, HOOAH." Nobody shares their thoughts expecting nothing, we are social creatures. We crave approval and confirmation.
It's just some people (You) are blind to this and try to play it off like you don't desire the attention from others. Who do you think you're fooling?
Attention to the topic, sure. Okay. You can bash me or praise me, that’s okay too. If I wanted you to agree, I would have made this into a simple question. What I expect is a response. You responded. Thank you.
Ok. I don't know what there is for you to do. In the west women have had equal rights and opportunities for many years. Maybe you should have lived in the 70's. Since the "fight" is over I don't know what there is for you to do or strive for unless you want to go fight for women in Saudi Arabia or some other country.
If you were actually for equality, you'd be an egalitarian.
Which gender has to sign up for the draft? Which gender suffers from homicides more? Which gender gets longer sentences for the same crimes? Which gender has the most paternal rights? Which gender are you allowed to defend yourself against? Etc etc.
If any gender is disadvantaged, it's men. Western women are the most privileged social class on the planet.
Women aren’t the ones who made up those rules. Most of the justice system is compiled of men. So... you’re barking up the wrong tree here.
I didn’t say that today’s women are oppressed or struggling, so what point are you trying to make? I am for equality. I laid out all of my views on the subject in the take. Call it feminism or egalitarianism. I DO NOT CARE. I punch you in the dick, you punch me in the vagina. Label it how you want.
I don't hate feminists because what feminism stood for was equal rights for both men and women I hate those who call themselves feminists yet they are misogynists who are fake wannabe feminists who give real feminists a bad name. because feminism is for equality for men and women. not for hating men. I support women and real traditional feminism and feminists
@GamerGirl12 . Men face more jail time than women on the same charges . Women can easily take a man’s money in divorce . Pro Choice states that legalize abortion ignores the concerns of men . Custody battles favor women
@GamerGirl12 I didn’t say anyone had to marry. But a lot of women who do marry end up getting a lot of benefits if it doesn’t work out. I agree that it is a woman’s right only. But not everyone feels that way. And when abortion is legalized it still focuses on women’s needs despite that it takes two. No matter how you slice it, it’s unfair to men. Of course there’s a reason for that. But it’s still an injustice. Men do fight for children just as much. But women tend to use a lot of manipulative tactics to get what they want. The law is simply on our side more, most of us know that and most proceed to use it as a weapon for their own selfish reasons.
1. Sees that Feminism is there to help women and helps women
2. Sees that Feminism is for equality but only helps women
3. Complains on the internet about problems she doesn't even face.
4. Is for everyone's equality and acts like it but is lured in by the dictionary definition of Feminism and can't see what the majority of feminists do.
I don't mind 1 and 4 2 and 3 ruin the name of Feminists.
Having a couple of feminist friends and two ex-gfs who were feminists, I can I say that I am amazed at how misogynist even normal feminists think guys are, When I pointed this out to them, they'd say, "But of course not, you, Log".
I personally don’t think men are out to kill me in my sleep so I’m not worried about misogyny because I hardly see it and it’s not like I’m paying that much attention to every little thing guys do
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I get your message, but the down talking about "chivalry" bugs me. You seem to be calling men stupid for being "chivalrous." It was my MOTHER who demanded that I be "chivalrous" and do certain things in the presence of a woman. I have learned that she was wrong... only because women insulted and berated me for doing so. I thought I was doing something right. Well... live and learn.
Yeah your mother was preaching bullshit, no offense
I was taught to respect women, but as I have gotten older, I realize that many don't give a shit about that. It's interesting how many guys I know who treat women like shit and have their total respect and attention. It's amazing... I guess I have been doing it wrong.
Everyone deserves basic human respect. But no one is entitled to anything more than that unless it is earned.
I don't know if you've been married and/or have kids, but this whole thing about "earned respect" is not as basic and easy as you think. Everyone has their own values and beliefs regarding this. It also varies from culture to culture. Everyone goes into a relationship/sexual encounter with preconceived notions.
I wasn’t talking about relationships and sex specifically when it comes to respect
"Chivalry" is almost always discussed in the context of interaction between males and females.
Okay. To make things clear (cuz I admit, I confused myself, I’m tired rn so excuse me please) everyone deserves basic respect and in kindness and consideration so that we promote a productive unity among another. This bullshit idea of “chivalry” is taking respect to the extreme because it makes people think that because males have penises and women have vaginas, women should be treated like queens for absolutely no reason outside of the fact that she is female. But in reality, she hasn’t done anything to earn special treatment. And men just have to go along with it because apparently they think it’s their job.
As in*
Ok, I see your point. Since men keep hearing about how we are assholes... and treat women like shit, I find myself thinking that I am not that way... and have to prove it somehow.
No hun. If you know you are not an asshole, that is enough. You don’t have to go the extra mile to prove a point. Because then your kind actions aren’t genuine.
And that’s what is happening to a lot of guys, they aren’t being chivalrous because they genuinely want to be extra. They just do it because they were either conditioned that way or (like yourself) they are just trying to overcompensate and prove their worth.
You alone, are enough. If anyone else can’t see that, it’s their problem not yours.
Yes, good message! I alone... am enough!
If you act like a man ill treat you like a man. I am the epitome of equality. If i see you struggling with something, ill leave you to it. I like pussy but not men so ill fuck you and never date you. And i will judge you soley on your accomplisments and net worth. So if you're a waitress or anything like that i think you're a loser.
Unless you act like a woman, then all that goes out the window. Then im glad to help you and date you and judge you on your feminine qualities instead.
I’m okay if you treat me like a man
Thats good. Most women dont seem to like being treated that way.
Maybe that’s because it hurts their feelings.
My heart isn’t a fragile piece of China.
"I do not believe women are any better in men and vise versa. No one gender should rule the world."
"Modern men are paying for the mistakes of their great grandfathers.
Do modern men deserve it? No. But does karma care about your feelings? No."
There are holes in your story. here's an easy solution to your man problem: Only fuck weak guys like me. If my genetics are passed on, in the future men will be weak and women can take their place. Women have ALL THE POWER in the course of human evolution, just fuck guys you want to be around. If you don't want "oppressors" (Strong, confident men) stop creating them.
Honey... I never said that women were being oppressed.
Well then what are the mistakes of my great grandfathers that I'm being punished for?
Oppressing women 😂
I think you have missed the point. Women are not suffering anymore. But men are as a consequence of their past actions.
It is not right to punish people for things they did not do... but KARMA does not give a damn.
I don’t like it, you don’t like it. But karma does not care.
The same to you! See you in the future my dear!
Exactly. Life is fucked up. We all have to pay the price.
Not me lol Im just gonna do acid and try and lick rare paintings life is what you make it girl and if you're not oppressed you really shouldn't be so vengeance based. I don't get it, why are you so mad if you're not oppressed?
I’m not vengeance based.
I just believe in karma as a force that exists on its own. It’s not in my control. Acknowledging something doesn’t mean I agree with it.
And... where in my Take did I say that I was upset?
You just obviously are upset at the fact that men have succeeded at all. Are you not using technology invented by a man?
I don't understand feminism or what they want or how they want me to act and I'm sick of being told how horrible I am for this. If you walk around eggshells for too long, eventually you just start marching. You will be left behind in the progress of humanity.
I’m really confused. Genuinely. I never said I was mad at men. I don’t care for them enough to get upset at them as a whole. Where are you getting this from?
Don’t read between lines that don’t exist.
Why don't you care for men though? It seems like a lot of women feel the same. I want to be cared for. For all the years of men ruling that I'm apparently being punished for, there were plenty of men buying nice things for women in order to have sex with them. If karma was real, wouldn't I have a sugar momma?
When I say I don’t care for men, I mean I’m not worried about what they do every second of my life.
In that sense, you shouldn’t care for women either.
It just means, you mind your own business.
Men in general are being punished for mistreating women. Therefore men are being mistreated (politically) with the crime sentencing and the custody battles... stuff like that.
If you want a sugar mama, I’m sure there’s an online sign up somewhere on the Internet. Just go find one. Use your resources.
Your story keeps changing :D if you could do me a massive favor and please please please be good and kind to yourself in the future, it might shine onto others.
Everything I said has stayed the same.
If I wasn’t kind to myself, I wouldn’t be doing good in life... and I’m in a good place. So, thanks but that part wasn’t very necessary of you
oh thank goodness! at some stage you might forget and if you do ill do my best to send you a prayer (dont worry i won't tell anyone)
Mmkay
Funny. Cause I can swear I write a take saying quite similar with not near the same amount of praise and waaaay more criticism both from men and women of either "white knight" or "nice guy" or "incel." Nontheless, great job!
Thanks
Yas, you go gurl. WAY too many people think that if someone's feminist, then they want all men to die, or at least to cut their dicks off. But this is the real meaning of being a feminist, thank you so much! <3
Thank you ☺️
Even though I don't consider myself a feminist.. well I don't agree with modern feministim I can still agree with you on some of the points you made and I don't judge girls who chose to stand by it as long as are willing to not judge me for not.
That’s understandable
I like but you are so open and honest about your feelings towards feministim and that we both can have different opinions yet do it in a pleasant manner unlike a lot of others do these day.
Civil conversation is productive conversation 😏
Wow, I loved this! You approached this controversial take in a, "I don't give a fuck," way. I swear, just the word feminist really gets the boy's veins to pop. Wish more people saw it this way! :)
Thank you ☺️
You're a softcore feminist, I'm okay with you. And there's a reason why men hold the doors for the ladies: is so we can look at you butts, forget that "being nice" crap.
she's the real defenition of a feminist, all those "I HATE MEN. I WANT THIS AND THAT EVEN THO I DONT NEED IT. IM NOT GONNA PAY FOR THIS DATE IM A LADY" "feminists" are feminazis. So many people get it wrong so i get it but seriously like this is what its rlly about😂😊
@BlondeGirl_ I appreciate that ☺️
@BlondeGirl_ I don't refer to those, I mean real feminists. The poster here is very soft about it, because some feminists, not feminazi, are obsessed with being victims and blaming men for stuff. Feminazis want men to just die.
Read the comments didn't read your post found this give found it amusing
I agree, that gif is pretty funny 😆
the problem with many feminists way to use "equality" is that they either use it as a shield to just be plain racist towards white people.
the 2nd more used thing is that they think equality between the genders is a thing when it really isn't.
men and women are different in many different ways and that's just the way it is, we aren't ment to be physically equal and we were never ment to be that way, we were supposed to balance each other out instead of getting equal.
You clearly wanted attention and praise.
Your next line is something snarky and rude along the lines of you not caring about what other people think.
Your other option will probably be "who asked you" or "I don't care what you think."
Your next option is "LOL whatever."
or just hitting the block button.
I didn’t want attention or praise. This is a site for sharing thoughts honey
You did want attention and praise, dear. That is why you "shared" this isn't an altruistic provision of ideas that will improve one's life. This is a shout into the digital sea saying: "Look at me, this is me, HOOAH." Nobody shares their thoughts expecting nothing, we are social creatures. We crave approval and confirmation.
It's just some people (You) are blind to this and try to play it off like you don't desire the attention from others. Who do you think you're fooling?
Attention to the topic, sure. Okay.
You can bash me or praise me, that’s okay too.
If I wanted you to agree, I would have made this into a simple question.
What I expect is a response.
You responded. Thank you.
Nope, attention to yourself.
I don't get why people are proud of the fact that they didn't read your take.
Me either
Ok.
I don't know what there is for you to do.
In the west women have had equal rights and opportunities for many years.
Maybe you should have lived in the 70's.
Since the "fight" is over I don't know what there is for you to do or strive for unless you want to go fight for women in Saudi Arabia or some other country.
I didn’t say there was anything for me to do
Than "I am a feminist" is just a meaningless catch phrase and it really doesn't mean anything.
Okay
If you were actually for equality, you'd be an egalitarian.
Which gender has to sign up for the draft? Which gender suffers from homicides more? Which gender gets longer sentences for the same crimes? Which gender has the most paternal rights? Which gender are you allowed to defend yourself against? Etc etc.
If any gender is disadvantaged, it's men. Western women are the most privileged social class on the planet.
Crybaby
Women aren’t the ones who made up those rules.
Most of the justice system is compiled of men. So... you’re barking up the wrong tree here.
I didn’t say that today’s women are oppressed or struggling, so what point are you trying to make?
I am for equality. I laid out all of my views on the subject in the take. Call it feminism or egalitarianism. I DO NOT CARE.
I punch you in the dick, you punch me in the vagina. Label it how you want.
@Evan94 What a compelling counter-argument /s
@Ellie-V "Modern men are paying for the mistakes of their great grandfathers.
Do modern men deserve it? No. But does karma care about your feelings? No."
That is no equality. It's the same line of logic as white guilt.
If I did not do something, I am NOT paying for it, period.
I’m not the one controlling karma.
Me acknowledging something doesn’t mean I agree with it.
The earth is round, whether you agree with it or not.
Gravity is a thing, whether you agree with it or not.
2+2=4
Karma is a supernatural myth lol.
Okay
Consider yourself sued! I am calling my lawyer right now!
See you in court 😘
I don't hate feminists because what feminism stood for was equal rights for both men and women I hate those who call themselves feminists yet they are misogynists who are fake wannabe feminists who give real feminists a bad name. because feminism is for equality for men and women. not for hating men. I support women and real traditional feminism and feminists
I appreciate you acknowledge that shit flies in ALL directions , overall this was quite balanced , some will accuse you of ranting though !!
How are men "paying"?
@GamerGirl12 by facing injustices socially and legally
Can you name some legal injustices?
@GamerGirl12
. Men face more jail time than women on the same charges
. Women can easily take a man’s money in divorce
. Pro Choice states that legalize abortion ignores the concerns of men
. Custody battles favor women
1. Marriage is outdated and nobody have to marry
2. Abortion is a woman right
Only
3. Men don't fight enough for their children
@GamerGirl12
I didn’t say anyone had to marry. But a lot of women who do marry end up getting a lot of benefits if it doesn’t work out.
I agree that it is a woman’s right only. But not everyone feels that way. And when abortion is legalized it still focuses on women’s needs despite that it takes two. No matter how you slice it, it’s unfair to men. Of course there’s a reason for that. But it’s still an injustice.
Men do fight for children just as much. But women tend to use a lot of manipulative tactics to get what they want. The law is simply on our side more, most of us know that and most proceed to use it as a weapon for their own selfish reasons.
What type of feminist?
1. Sees that Feminism is there to help women and helps women
2. Sees that Feminism is for equality but only helps women
3. Complains on the internet about problems she doesn't even face.
4. Is for everyone's equality and acts like it but is lured in by the dictionary definition of Feminism and can't see what the majority of feminists do.
I don't mind 1 and 4
2 and 3 ruin the name of Feminists.
As always good post. you're the kind of feminist i actually respect... which trust me is a rarity.
Thank you ☺️
Having a couple of feminist friends and two ex-gfs who were feminists, I can I say that I am amazed at how misogynist even normal feminists think guys are, When I pointed this out to them, they'd say, "But of course not, you, Log".
I’m not sure that I get your point
Feminists often see everything as being misogynist, even when it isn't.
I didn’t say anything about that in my Take.
That's an underlying reality for feminism, though, and it affects any discussion about it.
I personally don’t think men are out to kill me in my sleep so I’m not worried about misogyny because I hardly see it and it’s not like I’m paying that much attention to every little thing guys do
@Ellie-V
I don't think honestly they are capable of monogamy