I'm a Feminist. Why?

[Anonymous]

Click off now if you're not gonna read the whole take.

Time to lose a bunch of respect on G@G, but then again, the payoff is that it will be fun to take the piss out of those who can't read.

I've bit my tongue about this issue for a LONG time on this site, and the more people I see posting feminist related myTakes about the difference between "True feminists" and "feminazis", the more it starts to get annoying.

However, as much as it's going to be a bitch writing this in a way that I get all of my points across (and can manage to start a civil discussion ), I'm going to bring back passwords. I'm going to give you a password to use in order to make me take your opinion seriously. So if you read the whole take, you'll be able to 3 words to use as a password before making your point.

Now on to the take...

My beliefs stem purely from not only my perspective, but also the sociological factors that contribute to how men and women differ in society.

None of this is rhetorical, not all of this is refutable, and none of this is to convert anyone to feminism.

Because at the end of the day, as long as you support equality and equity, you are NOT a bad person for NOT calling yourself a feminist. Labels don't matter at the end of the day, which is why I don't bluster about being one myself very often.

So for this take I will be discussing...

A 3 part explanation of why I am a Feminist.

Part 1

The beliefs and my logic paired with it.

I still believe that men and women aren't equal. Does that mean they are oppressed. Oppressed is a strong word for western society, but a very weak word in other countries.

Just because I live in America, it does not mean I have to limit my opinion on things to American politics alone.

Now why is that? The first word from the password is "cool". Why is it that I believe women are not equal when they have equal job opportunities (on a very debatable scale), and that certain women happen to make more money than certain men?

It's not really about that, it's about how culture shapes our view on women, and why our society is so numb to very simple and easy changes to society that are just seen as "feminist" changes.

I'm going to break apart these three beliefs I have when it comes to being a feminist.

1.) Teaching masculine or feminine behavior is unnecessary.

It annoys me that as a society we care so much about masculinity and femininity to the point of degrading people based on certain expected roles.

I think gender as a concept is retarded and the way we bring it up all the time when discussing gender politics it makes me wretch.

We live in a society where doing certain things is unacceptable, so people feel forced to change their gender orientation as of result, because society tells them what they should be like, so they break "conformity" in order to feel comfortable, while also conforming to a gender role.

It's a cycle that I think is kind of screwing everything up and I just wish we didn't need these norms.

2.) Gender should play a very low role in your life choices.

I have very little opinion on "conforming to traditional gender roles" because a person's lifestyle has no effect on me.

But I do have an opinion on thinking you're suited for a lifestyle just because of your gender.

It's the sort of fear that is ever present, women having to feel as if they must act "Lady like" or men having to "man up".

Will I give two shits if you follow traditional roles? Not one.

Will I give two fucks if you don't? Not any.

3.) Blatant Sexism does have a hand in our society, regardless of whether it's towards women or men.

We all want equality, why wouldn't we?

But the reality is that we don't have laws that can end sexism as an ideology.

I've had friends who were sexually assaulted (and it did happen, I was there to witness it) they made a report to the police about a man who just groped her, and they didn't do anything, they didn't even ask for a description.

And there are also times where a man will report sexual assault, and it's even less likely that the police would do anything because of the whole "women can't assault men" concept.

Part 2

The Nipple Wars.

Now obviously this doesn't apply to all public/private spaces.

If you're at work or at an establishment that requires shoes, pants, and a shirt, ( like a school or a restaurant) then obviously not wearing a shirt applies to everyone.

But why (as Americans) don't we want to give women the right to go toppless the same as men can?

I get that people can be sexually attracted to tits, but people won't get mad at women on the beach for wearing a top that only covers your nipples.

And don't tell me for a second that a man with big pecks isn't at least slightly sexually attractive for straight women.

We can legalize a drug that put people in prison with extreme sentences. But yet we all shudder at the thought of women having the option to go topless.

Now I know that topless beaches exist already, but some women absolutely hate wearing bras, and it would be nice if they could go to their local beach and go topless without worrying about a lifeguard asking them to leave/asking them to put a top on.

I'm going to break down this issue into 3 parts as well, based on very common debates had in our society.

1.) The breast feeding debate.

I remember when I was young there was a segment in sesame Street where a woman explained to Elmo what breast feeding was, and had previously been acting out giving a baby it's milk before Elmo asked what she was doing (I think)

People were outraged and called for that scene to be taken down. Claiming it was too sexually suggestive for a child audience.

... What the fuck? Why? She didn't even show her nipple on camera, and the the FCC had a fit. The second word of the password is "soft".

How breast feeding became such a mature subject is beyond me. But once again it's my perspective.

2.) The religion/culture debate

Many cultures believe that the exposing of women's chest is sinful and makes them a whore/sinner or whatever.

Yet other countries think that having your tits out is completely acceptable, and their breasts are very healthy as of result.

It's the norm in places that are not only considered drastically different culturally, but also third world status.

I just believe as far as shit we need to be worried about, compared to shit that's easy as fuck to accomplish, this stands on that threshold.

____________________________

You've seen everything to offer about why nipples are so scary to 1st worlders, but I have a question for you.

Let's say that congress passes a law. Which law would you prefer?

A law that bans the display of male pectorals?

Or a law that gives women the choice to be topless in the same areas men are allowed to be topless?

We don't need to become nudists, we just need to stop fearing the nipple.

But that's just my opinion.

Part 3

The hypocrisy of those who combat it.

It's no mystery that feminism is generalized to about 3 stereotypical traits, especially... "feminazis" that are especially ironic when it comes to being meme'd.

1.) That we want women to have more power instead of empowerment.

Obviously that's not true. Those who want equality don't strive for anything else.

But we get shit even when we try for equality, now why is that?

Do some people actually believe that equality/equity is a bad thing?

Ain't that a kick in the head.

2.) That we are easily offended or easily "triggered"

This is very interesting to me actually.

Feminists are constantly meme'd as people who can't take a joke.

I feel that feminists and SJWs tend to be put in the same barrel when it comes to stereotypes.

But it's also hilarious that our beliefs and reputation make people mention us even when we aren't related to the topic, as if we are the new Nazi party and get brought up in every argument.

We are constantly seen as those who are offended, when it seems to me that we are also fully capable of offending, since the whole world tends to get butt hurt at harmless memes.

3.) That we aren't needed.

Then why does men's rights activism exist?

Surely some people believe that men are being oppressed instead of women... That's interesting.

We aren't needed, but men's rights certainly are, that's refreshing.

Of course we aren't needed, nothing is needed until Chinese female babies are murdered.

Oof, sucks to be so useless.

The third word of the password is breeze, you can put 3 words and use them in a sentence can't you?

My message to those who are radical about it.

For the love of God, fuck right off, will you?

All you're doing is using feminism as a way to channel your negative energy towards the opposite sex is pathetic and it's becoming annoying.

You've had a shitty date with some misogynistic dude and decide that all men are misogynistic?

And I bet I'm starting to sound like captain patriarchy right now, but that's only because you're I grained assumptions about how society views you is what causes you to be radical, you mental minefield!

If you want equal rights! Then start acting like you actually understand anything about our movement!

You do not need to be a woman to be a feminist, you do not need to be LGBTQ+ to be a feminist, you do not need to be a PSYCHO to be a feminist.

*takes deep breath*

That being said...

I think I'm about ready to wrap up soon, so let's get a few things out of the way.

The bottom line

So I'm not a woman right? So why would I care about something that won't affect me?

I'm going to express my thoughts on most people's opinions and thoughts on feminism in one sentence.

I do not expect feminism as a movement to grow bigger in this country.

I believe feminism's goal is to become unnecessary, that's every movement's goal, and I also hope that feminism gets its grip on societies outside of the US that need it.

People say that I would be better suited as an egalitarian. But I've been behind this movement for years, and if anything, I want to do whatever I can to try and save this movement so it can spread to other countries as less of a "first world problems" meme.

Wrap up

Depending who you are, you've probably lost a bit of respect for me, considering this is G@G, I don't blame you.

But when push comes to shove, I don't identify strictly as a feminist.

I identify as Griffin, the animator and artist, who just happens to write satire on a tiny social site, and wants to continue to associate himself with the meme of the 21st century.

If you made it this far, I thank you for your patience, and I appreciate your time even if you skimmed it.

Have a beautiful day everyone. :)

[Celtero]

Cool soft breeze on an autumn afternoon.

Eh, men's rights is needed because men are not equal under the law. We're still drafted, get longer prison sentences for the same crime, pay unfair divorce settlements and child support/alimony quantities. There's many first world countries in which it is ILLEGAL to get a paternity test, forcing the man to pay for some other dude's kid.

Men are plagued by other issues too, such as homelessness and suicide, but those issues can't directly be fixed by the MRM.

And then there's feminism... in which the most legitimate issue is "freeing" the female nipple. It's such a petty cause, the only reason it isn't legal yet is because nobody cares. LIke... it's not that hard to wear a shirt in a public place, and really, most women's tits look better at the beach when they're covered by a top. What would really happen if we freed the nipple is the average woman would go out somewhere, take her top off, then notice a bunch of men and boys staring, then never do it again.

I'd be all for dismantling socialized masculinity, femininity, and gender roles; but feminism ignores one key factor regarding this.

Humans need to have children or else they'll go extinct. Men and women are attracted to femininity and masculinity respectively. There are very few women who would want a small, skinny, emotional, stay at home dad for a partner. Men wouldn't mind having a hardworking, ambitious, businesswoman, but it's very likely they'll reproduce and carry on their genetic line because having kids takes a lot of time and energy and the woman has her plate full with her job. But men don't want a big, deep-voiced, brash or cocky woman.

And what's the best family model for raising children, really? It's undoubtedly stay at home mom with a working dad. Mom can start working on her career once kids start going to school. But the pregnancy would always disrupt the woman's career, while men get a boost in earnings after they become fathers.

So in the end, all feminism has left to stand for is equality of outcome, and forcing it so women and men are paid 50/50, represented in government 50/50, and free birth control, abortions, and tampons for all women.

Don't worry though, I've only lost a small amount of respect, since there was no man-hating rhetoric and it was relatively reasonable.

[myTake Owner]

Of course the free the nipple thing is petty, but it's also weird how much hostility it's met with.

As I asked before, would you prefer if the government deemed male nips inappropriate, or make it an Option for women to not have to wear a top in the same way men can?

[Celtero]

Yeah, it shouldn't be against the law, but even if it was legal women wouldn't go shirtless in public.

[ericclayton]

The reason it's met with much hostility is because it's absolutely ludicrous.

[myTake Owner]

So in turn what's the harm?

[ericclayton]

Would you want your mother or sister to walk around topless?

[myTake Owner]

@ericclayton don't have a sister

But it's also not my decision whether or not I would want them too.

Being repulsed by it is what I'm against. I've seen dudes with bigger tits walking around, and nobody is asking them to cover up.

Women having the option to is what seems more important than people's silly little values.

[ericclayton]

You guys fail because you argue the pettiest and most indefensible positions such as "door holding" and "mansplaining". Focus on real issues, and maybe you'll actually get the sympathy and even agreement of the public.

[myTake Owner]

@ericclayton of course it's petty, the difference being that people who respond to things like freeing the nipple don't exactly have anything against it besides the fact that it's "ludicrous".

It's ironic that feminists are stereotyped to be the easy to offend, when people get triggered by the mere concept of people wanting to not have to wear a bra on the beach.

[Celtero]

Feminists upset people because there's a bazillion better causes to be fighting for.

Like... imagine if the law gets changed, and then men start wanting to be able to walk around with their dicks hanging out. Wouldn't that just be something stupid and obscene to fight for?

[ericclayton]

Exactly.

[myTake Owner]

@ericclayton dicks are not the same as tits.

Why is that so hard to understand?

[ericclayton]

And tits are different than a man's chest. You surely know the difference.

Channel your energies into something more constructive. This one's not gonna happen.

[Celtero]

Female breasts are not the same as male nipples.

[myTake Owner]

Of course they aren't, but then why are we comparing apples to oranges when they both aren't exactly poisonous fruit.

It just seems petty to me, it's just my view.

[Celtero]

And what makes a penis or vagina anymore poisonous than titties?

C'mon, we gotta stop oppressing them nudists!

[myTake Owner]

Congratulations. You made a point I never made, about dicks and pussies?

It's more about the double standard rather than the social norm.

[Celtero]

It's not really a double standard when men and women don't have the same anatomy.

Go get some breast implants and see if a cop doesn't tell you to put those puppies away when you go shirtless in public.

[myTake Owner]

That's my point...

[Celtero]

You gotta keep track of this debate better.

[myTake Owner]

I'm sorry, when different unrelated topics keep appearing out of nowhere, I am less motivated to debate.

[Celtero]

Eh, it's still a stupid thing to argue anyway, since we can agree on that it should be legal, it just won't change anything and it's a dumbcause/example of sexism.

[myTake Owner]

I don't remember if I said it was an example of sexism.

If I did I'm pretty sure I'm negotiable from that.

[Anonymous]

I only object to the equity part.
I believe that equality of opportunity is more important, since it means freedom.
Since all people are different, we can't always expect equality of outcome (which is equity, as I understand it).
I also believe that there actually ARE differences between men and women, broadly speaking of course.
An individual woman can be anything a man can be, and vice versa, but when you compare both groups (which automatically is a generalization, and thereby doesn't apply to the individual), there are differences beyond social conditioning.
We just shouldn't DEFINE ourselves through those groups.

I agree though that the abolition of this conditioning is a desirable goal, so our personalities can manifest organically, and that many differences between men and women, and the limitations that come with them, will decrease in the process.

I don't believe that you can actually have equality of opportunity, the freedom to chose, AND equality outcome at the same time.

Forcing equality of outcome will automatically reduce equality of opportunity, it just looks better superficially.

[myTake Owner]

Oh yeah I don't really expect forced equality.

But equity is the concept that women need certain leave time for pregnancy, men don't need that because... They aren't actually pregnant.

However if it's to care for the baby for a bit then that's negotiable. The whole "male pregnancy" concept and such.

[CherryRoseChampange]

This was a cool soft breeze. So I'm gonna be honest here and say all this stuff really annoys me. Not you or your viewpoints in particular. Just this entire topic always brings assholes, arguing, and scars. I honestly get annoyed with every side equally too. Every side has some type of issues going on and people start to make me sick.

For me, I won't label myself as a feminist even though I do believe everyone should have equal rights despite genders not being equal in literally everything. Nor am I an anti-feminist or male activist. I just find the titles being too distracting. I see inequalities happening for both genders that need to be addressed. I see the world fight each other over it and it just makes it worse. I see bitter men and women. I just see a bunch of shit.

I just want people to actually sit down and stop arguing so much against each other and actually come up with solutions that work for everyone and realize everyone is pretty much going for the same thing overall. They just often support the gender they are because it's easier and caters towards themselves. So in that sense, I commend you for being brave enough to advocate for a gender other than your own. I just think the more everyone keeps isolating each other and turning all this into a fucking debate show the more nothing will ever start to change for the better.

My conclusion is I'm simply a person, and I support both genders. I support the cause of working on both problems step by step and practically. I don't need to choose a side for anyone who thinks that by the way. I choose the side of humanity as a whole and working towards actually making this fucking rock we live on a tad bit more peaceful and understanding. That's all I'm gonna say about it.

[CherryRoseChampange]

by the way, I'm not a fan of public nudity at all unless it's an environment where everyone is supposed to be nude. This goes for breastfeeding. I'm personally, I'm not comfortable with it. And I think I have the right to be uncomfortable, especially if it's in a place I don't really want to see it. Of course if I do see it I won't be rude and I don't care if her boobs are showing or not. I just find it kind of a weird thing to do when a woman can just pump milk, and have a bottle.

For one, it's just more conservative to me. Because in public you do actually have to be somewhat considerate of other people. Two, it's way easier. Breastfeeding is draining, so doing it in public is weird. Makes you vulnerable to strangers due to being so drained therefore so is your kid. Plus it's just awkward I imagine, I don't know, that's just me though.

[myTake Owner]

That's understandable. And I'm glad you took the time to read this take.

This take really drained me, as I actually hate talking about it because it's such an argument that flintlock.

But I also will not just watch people write half asses. MYtakes about feminism without even know what it is. I fully expected this to annoy people, and I had hoped it would generates civil discussion.

[myTake Owner]

If you want a light take I made the one you requested of me. :)

[myTake Owner]

It's actually why I do not talk about feminism too often because whenever I do people say I would be better suited as a humanist.

They might be right, but I still believe the movement has potential to spread to places that need it.

That being said being bothered by nudity is understandable, I just don't personally click with it.

[CherryRoseChampange]

No, it's alright, writing takes like this should be draining. It means you put your all into it and I understand what you mean by half-assed myTakes. I normally don't read these, I only read yours because I know you're not stupid or an asshole. You actually care and have things to say. That being said, I enjoyed your take. Good job, I really mean that,

[CherryRoseChampange]

And I'll check out the other one, thank you haha.

[CherryRoseChampange]

I agree, so places really do need the label of feminism but then I'm still 50/50 about it because the backlash could be worse due to the name itself.

[myTake Owner]

I'm glad you established your opinion as well, usually people don't give these takes the time of day and actually give valid responses to them.

I appreciate discourse more than anything, and go figure that this us the only myTake of mine to be feature this whole month. Thanks a lot G@G. XD

[myTake Owner]

Also about your last opinion, that more or less why I stay in the movement, I want to see through that it becomes about looking after those who actually lack power, rather than going after those who do. I hope to be the percentage that may some day rise back to the majority.

It may not happen, but I at least want to help repair its reputation. However way I can. And if I can't... Well I tried.

[CherryRoseChampange]

I can see that, I hope your percentage increases as well. It would be nice to have more good people out here coming forth and making changes. And thank you, I try to give my own individual thoughts always. Especially since you took the time to share a lot on this one. I felt it was only right if I put care into my answer as well.

[myTake Owner]

Aight, sorry for flooding your notifications. XD

[Goodwifie]

@CherryRoseChampange.
I'm a mother of three and I found expressing breast milk caused more problems than good.
I did it for my first born because I was insecure about feeding him in public.
Thing is that mother and baby start working together on a supply and demand basis so I'd take expressed milk out with us but found that by the time it came to feeding him the bottle my breast were engorged with milk and ready to go. I ended up with my breast pads being soaked with milk with resulted my nipples being infected with a fungal infection and when ever my milk let down it'd feel like my nipples were being stabbed with hundreds of needles and the skin would also peel off onto the breast pad which also painful. I did end up with mastitis blocked milk ducts being put on antibiotics and it left me feeling like I'd failed as a mother.
I know that this is a bit of TMI but hopefully you'll understand what a mum goes through.
I was always discrete about feeding my babies in public.

[ericclayton]

@Goodwifie Public breastfeeding doesn't squick me out as it does some. What squickss me out is freethenipple Tumblrite insanity that has no basis in reality. Those folks need to tackle real issues rather than "manspreading" and "boys can go shirtless, why can't we?" idiocy.

[Goodwifie]

@ericclayton agreed I don't think it's necessary at all.

[CherryRoseChampange]

@Goodwifie See now this is actually a viewpoint I understand, and if people explained this more I'd say "Oh okay, sure thin, breastfeed as you please," because it's actually needed in this case. Other people normally give terrible explanations and I think it goes more towards what @ericclyaton mentioned. And It's alright @Sketchforger. Lol I blew up yours as well haha

[Goodwifie]

Just thought I'd share my story so I could shed some light on what it's like for new mothers.
I was pretty much brainwashed by the lactation nurse at the hospital into thinking that if I didn't breast feed my baby that I had indeed failed my child and failed as a mother.

[Schrodingerscat]

If I could upvote this twice, I would.

I had longest ever debate on here with someone which was of similar issue.

Mgtows, redpills etc etc and feminists both make issue out of small things and crib. That doesn't solve anything.

[BrittBratt2416]

I hate this argument, men can go shirtless cause they don't have tits, even though they can go shirtless guess what they can't do? Go pantsless, something actually everyone can't do cause it's considered indecent. Women know damn well they would not want to see some guy's frank and beans just flopping away when a guy is outside running or walking. plus these women that complain about not being able to shirtless would be the first ones crying to the police about how some prev stared or took a pic of their tits. Women have breast, men don't, breast are actually very sexual to men sense men are visual creatures. So men can go shirtless but not pantsless while women can go damn near naked in bikni at the beach. These women need to get over it and stop complaining.

[CrazyCroGuy]

You literally said it all

[ladsin]

Soft-Cool-Breeze

Cool enough. My main reason for not calling myself a "feminist" anymore is that by-and-large the movement does not appear to hold the same ideals of equal treatment under the law that I hold. I talk a little more about my ideas here- I Will No Longer Identify As A Feminist ↗

That said there were a few things that I wanted to address in your myTake.
Gender Stuff- I agree that your sex/ gender should not have affect what you CAN do in life. If you want to get into politics or medicine or anything else and bust your ass to get it done I don't think your sex, gender, or race should be a factor. Your last point here was something I'd slightly contest. It's certainly true that some individuals in America are sexist. I don't see any institutional or legal discrimination though (with the possible exception of free the titty stuff)

Titty wars- I agree that this is probably the best example of legal "sexism" in America, but don't really much know what should be done about it. On the other hand I also think that the amount of people who are upset about "breastfeeding" is a negligible number. I was at the bar a week or two ago and a woman started breastfeeding and no one cared.

Groping- I can't speak to your experience, but I can say that I've been groped by women multiple times but groped zero women (Without consent) and as such it's really not a feminist only issue. That's of course supposing that you're thinking of feminism as promoting equality for women, but I didn't see you give an explicit definition, so I'm just guessing here.

-MRAs are a reactionary movement. Most of the "MRAs" that I hear about (not sure that I've met any) were feminists up until the "second wave" but with the recent direction Feminism appears to be taking they've moved from feminism to MRA.

-Feminism "I believe feminism's goal is to become unnecessary" it should, but it doesn't appear to want to do that. It appears that modern feminists want hegemonic control of every facet of life. They (new ones) appear to want to control media, films, comics, gaming, government, etc.

[JimRSmith]

It felt cool outside, as there was a soft breeze blowing.

Well written. No respect lost from me.

[myTake Owner]

Much appreciated, I only wish I had the stamina to put a bunch of pretty pictures, but this was a long time in the making, and I was just drained at that point.

[ThisDudeHere]

https://i.imgur.com/EEvUEHd.png

[AllThatSweetJazz]

Cool Soft Breeze.
Surely people could catch on to this pretty quick but okay, I'll cooperate.

1.1 Most people aren't taught masculine or feminine behavuiour

Forcing them to disregard gendered behaviour is also not good. I don't think people are forced into a gender beyond their sexuality and there's no plan to alter sexuality. So... to the extent which it is a problem, it's not going to be fixed. Certainly not by anythign feminism wants to do.

1.2 It does for the vast majority of people.

I while you and I don't give a fuck about gender, sexuality still works that way. The choice is to be more appealing to women vs being comfortable and find a balance.

1.3 But what kind of equality? Feminism doesn't have a monopoly on it.

Only the example with the male as the victim was actually sexism there.

2.1 Men can't just go topless anywear. Why presume that men and women's bodies are the same? Why isn't it entirely reasonable to consider women's bodies different?

This is one of those problems that is so small that no one gives a fuck about. I don't see a connection to feminism here but okay.

3.1 Except in case where it is true. You can call something "equality" when it's not. Equality and equity are not the same thing and again, what kind of equality. Feminism doens't have a monopoly on equality. You can genuinely want "equality" and that can translate to being awful in practical terms.

3.2 Well there's a lot of overlap with SJWs and you should delinate from feminists that do have a problem with "sexism" in comedy or whatever if that's how you feel.

Yes, people mention feminists all the time, they're very memeable. The Nazi comparison is being made for a reason and people joke about the Nazis to because they don't like them. Yes you are also cappable of offending, being offended is not the real issue, it's what you're offended by. Being offended by normal things no one else has a problem with is an issue and trying to change things in ways that people find unacceptable will offend them. Being offended doesn't invalidate anything.

3.3 To support men where needed. Feminism isn't needed and often stands in the way of equality sought by men's rights activists.

"Surely some people believe that men are being oppressed instead of women"
It's interesting that some people won't consider the notion at all, or even that women might not be the eternal victims they think they are.

"We aren't needed, but men's rights certainly are, that's refreshing."
Hmmm, rude.

[AllThatSweetJazz]

"until Chinese female babies are murdered."
Why would feminism be needed for that?

"You do not need to be a woman to be a feminist, you do not need to be LGBTQ+ to be a feminist, you do not need to be a PSYCHO to be a feminist."
Delineate using labels. This seems like one of those "easy as fuck to accomplish" things. I don't get why people don't do it.

"I believe feminism's goal is to become unnecessary, that's every movement's goal"
I mean, I agree but again, that's definitely a distinction from feminist activists and "academics" suggesting even more that you should try to delineate.

[LogicBomber]

Well as a pink masquerading as a blue you hit most of the common feminist statements.
Your first part is actually correct which is why you shouldn't be a feminist, we don't need feminism telling and teaching boys to stop being boys. We don't need feminism telling boys they are evil and wrong for being male. Etc.

2. The nipple debate. Women use their tits for sexual pleasure, sexual attention, and sexual power... so unless they are being used to feed a child... they are sexual parts. Therefore they are treated like a sexual part. If women stopped using them for sexual power and attention (filling them with plastic, buying products to push them up and out, etc.) then you would have a standpoint.

3. There is no difference between a feminist and a feminazi, they all believe the same lies and false victim narratives. They all idolize the same misandrist and they all push the same false stats and propaganda.
If feminism didn't want power over equality they would also fight for men's rights instead of silencing them. They would give up as well as taking.
If feminist can take a joke, we wouldn't have dongle gate, we wouldn't have men getting fired over bullshit because a triggered bitch "took offense". Feminist wouldn't have campaigns to police language, etc.

Feminist are not needed especially in western culture, and horrible acts are carried out on both genders in fucked up other countries.
The reason mens rights are needed in the west is simply because feminism exists which silences and shuts down ACTUAL issues to focus on their lies and nonsense (like using 3rd world shit as a scapegoat to act like 1st world women are in peril).
Male suicide is an epidemic in OUR society, male homelessness is an epidemic, parental fraud is an epidemic, female abuse against males is ignored, both sexual and physical, these are just a few of actual and severe issues. Unlike wage gap which is proven bullshit, or the 1 in 4 Mary Koss lie which is propagated since 1983 but has been proven a fraud since 1983.

If you believe feminism is a good thing and should exist... you have simply not opened your eyes to its actions and have never checked its data.

[AD240pCharlie]

Breeze cool soft - because I'm a rebel and I will say what I want!
I honestly don't give less of a crap about what people call themselves. What I have noticed is that many feminists and anti-feminists essentially have the same goal, even if they might disagree on the best way to solve the issue or what the cause of it is. For example, as someone who studies biology, I obviously know about the evolutionary and biological reasons for certain gender norms and gender-specific behavior, but I also agree with the fact that just because something is natural, it doesn't make it good or better, but many feminists will still see me as the enemy because I don't agree with their "gender norms are a social construct" philosophy. This is as much the fault of the anti-feminist side as the feminist side, as they refuse to listen to what the other side is saying, but instead only care about the fact that they don't use the same political identity. "My side is good, your side is bad, end of discussion".
The memes are hilarious, tho... Just sayin'...

[AD240pCharlie]

Also, the only way I could lost respect for someone - regardless of their idology (feminist, libertarian, egalitarian, communist, nazi, you name it) - would be if they were afraid of expressing their opinion because they're worried that people are going to dislike it.

[myTake Owner]

Eh, I've held my tongue on this site for a while mostly because this usually beats these myTakes to death without anyone reading them. So I just thought "what's the point" at that threshold, but then I kept seeing myTakes that were half asses or basic as fuck, and it made me wonder if people actually cared.

[Anpu23]

I've read your mytake, and it was a cool soft breeze. I am an Anti-Feminist and men's rights activist. The issues to me is the idea of equality. In Animal Farm by George Orwell he makes an interesting statement that some are more equal then others. Feminism is a socialist movement applying Marxist class struggle to gender. And it makes a bunch of assumptions that just don't hold up (to me feminism as a whole is represented by its primary organizations, rallies, literature political actions and lobbying not individual beliefs or statements). I certainly applaud you for your statements and I hope that you bring some calmness into the debate. Good luck

[ATuairiscean]

Love the password idea, would solve a lot of problems but would be surprised if it took off - Cool Soft Breeze (Just thought of a downer read it from other comments haha)
What you say is totally correct but I would define it more steadfastly I am an egalitarian first and a feminist, MRA, White Rights, Black Lives Matter, Asian/Latino rights, Gay/CIS/Trans rights etc person second but all incorporated into my egalitarism.
What I feel happens is the extremist on one side go OTT and MIGHT suggest something that COULD impinge on the rights of the formerly dominant group so the extremists of the formerly dominant group backlash and the conflict beginswith nothing getting. So egalitarians should campaign to raise everyone to at least the minumum standard of the group with best access to rights then bring everybody up together I think JFK said " The Rising Tide Lifts All The Boats"

[Goodwifie]

I felt a cool soft breeze against my chest as my husband opened freezer door in the cold section of the supermarket.
I had to breastfeed our 3 week old son as we did our weekly shop because I couldn't stand eating another meal of meat pies and chips, my husbands idea of what grocery shopping consisted of.
And before anyone throws judgement at me it just looked like our son was asleep.
Nice MyTake 👍

[Matthevv]

Feminism served its purpose a long time ago. You may choose your own interpretation of what modern feminism is however you aren't the person running the political organizations that label themselves as feminists.

The things that you claim to fight for under the banner of feminism can be sought after without resorting to blindly following an all encompassing political organization. Fight for these issues under the banner of bettering humanity, not under the banner of a political entity that you do not control.

[Blunique]

Cool soft breeze

I agree with all of this but I am not a feminist.

Someone asked me this once and I am going to ask you it as well. She said, "Why do you need have a label for something like fighting for equality or women's rights? Like someone who is coming out gay shouldn't announce it as if it's this crazy thing. It's just a sexual orientation and no one comes out as straight so why come out as gay as if it's this crazy, life changing, negative or positive, big deal that everyone needs to know about. Just be who you are. Exactly with feminism. Do you really need to have a label to fight for yourself? can't you just be it and stop announcing it? Do you need a group to define you?" What's your opinion about that? I hope it makes sense because I don't really remember it word for word.

[ImSoSquishy]

well incase anyone still didn't get the memo: since July 25, 2018, the law has passed and it is now legal to breastfeed in public in ALL 50 states. now breastfeeding women in all 50 states can answer the scorners by saying THE LAW is on their side.

[myTake Owner]

Yep, great progress made.

To be fair I forgot to remove that since I was gonna write this take a while ago but I decided not to post it.

[winterfox10]

A cool soft breeze came through my window today.

I appreciate your reasons for being a Feminist. I was/still kind of am a Feminist, myself. But I think that Feminism needs a rebranding, because the truth is that current Feminism is NOT about equality. Even though that may be the definition of Feminism on Google; it CAN'T logically be the true definition, and the reason is very simple.

"Feminism" as a word is not about equality, because there is no male equivalent of the dictionary definition of a Feminist. The male equivalent is a Chauvinist, and a Chauvinist supports male domination. By proxy, the definition of a Feminist implies female domination.

The upshot of all this, is that we need a new word for people who want equality of the sexes.

[RationalMale]

"It annoys me that as a society we care so much about masculinity and femininity to the point of degrading people based on certain expected roles."

Hmm. Simple reality, biology.

www.backstagetales.com/.../he-for-she.jpg

www.dailymail.co.uk/.../...-British-man-again.html

Yes, cool soft breeze.

[Kayla45]

I totally agree with many parts of this, realistically the extremist feminists are the only ones that bug me because they are pushing their agenda in peoples faces.

But if you just support feminism and not be a jerk about it then more power to you.

[Jager66]

That's kinda true but also kind of dumb.

Those radical hate monger Feminists are the norm not the exception, they are the ones who control the education system, 90% of the news media, The large tech companies such as Facebook, Google, Twitter, Apple etc..

Like take your statement and replace Feminist with say KKK member, for example. I'm sure some KKK members were decent people back in the day who were just mislead but meant well, somehow, doesn't make the KKK a "legit" organization.

[myTake Owner]

Comparing feminists to the KKK is kind of insulting, do you have any idea what the KKK got away with?

[Jager66]

Nope. reductio ad absurdum, it's a legit logical argument.

Also Feminism is balls deep into anti white racism and anti men sexism so not such a stretch.

[genericname85]

You do realize that I can just scroll down the comments to see the password, which takes way less time than reading your take.

So therefore you don't know if I have read your take entirely or not anyway.

What I wanna know is: why must you call yourself a feminist. What sets your point of view apart from humanism? Why must you put a gender bias in your strive for "equality"?

[myTake Owner]

Eh, I figured I'd at least try something.

It's more that I want to be part of the movement as it spreads to other cultures. I won't be living in America forever, so I might as well stick to the label.

[genericname85]

But humanism does fight inequality without explicitly favoring one gender xD

[genericname85]

And that has nothing to do with where you live xD

[Jack_L_andTurn]

I have no problem with the old "equal rights under the law" feminism. Unfortunately most "modern" feminists have moved far, far beyond that. There is a reason old-style ones like Cassie Jaye now refuse to call themselves "feminist."

[D_Bone_Steak]

Give me my thumbs down... just another rapist dude playing "I'm on your side" with the whamens if you ask me. Even feminist know to beware of the male feminist. You dudes have issues with the opposite sex that's a little bit on the rapey side.

[myTake Owner]

I was actually considering writing about the dangers of believing some people who call themselves "male feminists" because they have a history of being really creepy and extreme white knights.

[D_Bone_Steak]

That would actually be one interesting my take.

[Muhammad1999]

yes they have rights like everyone , but not every woman will feel comfortable going out topless , and breastfeeding in public should be ok , even here in Iraq which is an islamic country , some women will just breastfeed their baby anywhere , most men won't find breasts sexy when they are breastfeeding babies.

[Anonymous]

First off. Feminazi isn't really a term.
Second, I'm a rapist. Why? *starts explaining not all rapists rape*
Third, I'm a criminal. Why? *starts explaining criminals save people too*

The ideology is destroyed. Thanks a lot! Men don't even make their version of feminism like masculism because it's misogyny. There you are calling yourself something you aren't.

[myTake Owner]

... So are you saying that my view of feminism is wrong, or that feminism is misogyny?

[Opinion Owner]

It is. Misandry is the term. Feminism is actually misandry but they aren't extreme like "feminazis". Feminism fight for womens rights. Egalitarian fights for equality. Feminism was just justified before but not these days as men's issues are already denied.

[Opinion Owner]

*feminist

[myTake Owner]

Well then have a good one.

[Opinion Owner]

Why feminism Is Misandry ↗