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Why the phrases “toxic masculinity” “fragile masculinity” and “incel” are nothing more than ad hominems (Page 2)
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Why are you generalising and saying on feminists use it? I use it, yet I stand against feminists and am very supportive of mens problems instead. It may have been coined for a different reason, and that's fine but it doesn't mean you saying that It used to be something else will change a thing.
Because, over the years many many words have been taken and changed, like queer used to mean weird.. unusual now It stands for LGBTQ?
Toxic masculinity Is just something used to describe, end of story it only becomes a Hominem when someone uses it as a hominem.
You're the one who chooses to give power to the word or not.
If you you use this word, then chances are you don’t care about men’s problems. Why do you use the phrase “toxic masculinity”?
I do not use the word very often, I'd have to think hard of when I last used It. Although I use it when a man takes extra steps to be masculine, It's 1 harmful for a man to be contionously changing himself, but most importantly I believe If you have to take extra steps to be masculine you simply aren't already, but no I do not use it often.
It’s also harmful to force effeminacy onto men.
Ahh the lord of assumptions! Nice to see you, You do realise you can be in the middle right? there's no need to be pro masculine, or pro feminine. I'll raise my boys to decide on their own and develop on their own.. so yeah again wrong as I don't force anything except some good manners.
Good manners has nothing to do with masculine or feminine traits. It’s just a common decency
Where do these lables come from.
not once have any of my female OR male friends came at me talking this silly ying yang.
I didn't even know this words existed till I joined this site. I also dont have not one female friend that a femist or male friend who complains about half the dumb shit on here.
so take heart very few people care as much as you think.
Great piece. I'm like a professional at arguing and winning against feminists. They are too predictable. I'm always two steps ahead because I already know what they're gonna say. The only form. of defense feminists and liberals have is name-calling. They have no argument so they try to shame us by calling us names. It's so pathetic. I am a strong critic of feminism and that does not make me an incel, misogynist, racist, bigot, white nationalist, far right, etc. I use basic common sense.
This is just what a lot of women seem to do. While they complain about fat-shaming, slut-shaming, any kind of shaming used against women, they shame men all the time. That's all this is, shaming language, usually used by lazy people who have no real argument. It's all they have. It's best to simply see it for what it is and ignore it.
Thank you, I agree.
Society seems content to plod along, portraying the guy as always the attacker, always the aggressor, the father as the flubbering boob who can't change a diaper, etc.
People need to separate the people from the actions. Deal with the actions and not spend time with the name- calling for the people. Love the people, hate the sin.
Good take when I was younger I used women like only feminine looking men but then realized they are more attracted to masculine men which confused me considered how much women had despised masculinity
I think feminism was meant to stop abuse of women and empower women through motivation rather than through misandry.
But as you know the coming generation is becoming dumber and dumber both the men and women. This often leads to misinterpretation
The misandrist women talk shit about men and Incels read about this shut
Incels are actually are ok looking but they put the blame on women rather than their lack of confidence and thus end up being sexist like elliot roger
And then simple minded women take notice of these men and starts a misandrist movement against all men rather than the incels.
Frankly both men and women are making the situations worse for themselves.
Men are becoming more weak and hateful while the women are becoming spoiled and also hateful
Even as a progressive liberal, I agree with everything you wrote.
Feminism is essentially leading to a ghetto culture takeover, and I'm not really down with that. Medicare for all? Sure. Living wages and affordable housing? Yes.
Slooting on ghetto men? No.
No, i think "toxic masculinity" means when an insecure little man, who isn't actually masculine, over compensates for his insecurities by treating people badly and being a prick, just to make himself feel better, aka, lad culture.
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Then why not call it what it is: "insecure jerks"? Using a broad pejorative like "toxic masculinity" to describe a narrowly defined phenomenon (male overcompensating behaviours) sets you up to be misunderstood in your intentions, and makes it seem like you're over-reaching in the targets of your critique. The problem with "toxic masculinity" as a term is that the goalposts for its definition can keep changing in accordance with the implicit aims of the people using it. So you end up with 4th wave feminist misandrists crying "toxic masculinity" at any perceived male behaviour they decide doesn't fit their narrative. In my experience most people using "toxic masculinity" are using it as a dog-whistle term to attack masculine behaviour as a whole-- a position no doubt deriving from the misandrists'' assault on 'hetero-normative' values. Then they deflect, when questioned, by once again shifting the goalposts of the term's definition. One day it means "insecure men who act like jerks", the next day it means "telling boys to man up", the next day it means "raising boys to be boys rather than feminising them". It never ends, because the term actually means nothing, and therefore can be twisted to mean anything.
Good points, SomeGuyCalledTom
Behind the scenes it isn't even feminism it's communist subversion. Ever see them complain about "toxic masculinity" as practiced in Islam? It's all smoke and mirrors manipulation.
"you’ll most likely get called a “incel” by some meat head that can’t argue with you using logic"
Logically speaking, resorting to ad hominems immediately makes the argument illogical, but being logical is not the goal of someone who wants to attack You, particularly.
As for the actual meanings of said expressions - I don't care. This masculine vs feminine bs forms its own small world which important (and consequential) only for those who really buy all that nonsense.
From the premises alone, you demonstrated that (4th wave) feminism fails due to its own hypocrisy. Why then, is there such a commotion about it? Who gets paid to promote this stuff?
As I’ve told you before, if you are only going to act like a smart ass then don’t bother commenting. Pretending to have solid arguments isn’t the same as having solid arguments.
Wrong comment.
Actually the term toxic male describes how our fathers (born late 50's) didn't show daughters attention or approval in anything they did. Their job was to raise men. A daughter was raised to be a housewife and segregated to play house and with baby dolls they grew up thinking a relationship with a man was to do anything they can to get approval and were treated as if they didn't matter. So they have a lot of daddy issues. This is their way of blaming shit on men lol
U are the man. Been called an incel anytime I disagree with the agenda, its hilarious. Almost makes me wanna waste some time and money fucking a few more sluts so the insult won't be effective but fuck that, I ain't given in, and I ain't exposin my cock to slut pussy ever again
You say this as you use the term "ad hominem" incorrectly. "Ad hominem is an adjective or sometimes an adverb. You errantly use it as a noun.
Incel is not just a term used by others as a put down. You guys are the ones that invented the term and originally called yourselves that. Everyone knows you don't get laid, and everyone besides you knows why. Just because someone "calls a duck a duck" doesn't mean they support feminism in any way.
Tell us how masculine you incels feel jerking off alone.
Typical white knight making hasty generalizations.
@alvincasey And for your information an ad hominem is an insult.
"You say this as you use the term "ad hominem" incorrectly. "Ad hominem is an adjective or sometimes an adverb. You errantly use it as a noun."
Wrong. An ad hominem is not restricted to only the use of adjectives or adverbs. An ad hominem is when you attack the person's character instead of the argument, which is what feminists do when they blindly label a man as an 'incel' because he disagreed with him. Nowhere in the definition of ad hominem does it require to be used as an adverb or adjective.
You should put a helmet on top of your snapback to prevent your brain from leaking any further.
Dwd94-ad hominem is describing the type of attack in explanation. Which you are right, you describe an ad hominem is describing the verb making it an adverb.
The dictionary (Merriam-Webster I used) lists the parts of speech of words. You can of course use a word any way you want, but of then your just babbling.
Toxic Masculinity: an insecure asshole who bullies and threatens women and physically weaker males in an attempt to bolster his fragile sense of self... usually very loud. Tries very hard to be what he considers "Masculine" and very quick to attack anybody who disagrees with him in a suitably mature manner i. e. 75% of the "men" here (watch closely kids) and the President.
Is it that hard to recognize?
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Baseless assumptions at it’s finest. Only sycophants stay silent when injustices are being committed.
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cool article bro!
in today's overly feminized and liberal controlled world this is makes it perfect survival guide.
I just call them what they are, misandrists, and go about my day. You can't reason with hatred. They are well aware that they are discriminating
Clearly these are ad hominems and should not be used (the phrase is Latin for "Against the Man".) The people who use these words are low-level, low-I. Q. folks who cannot believe everyone isn't of the same mind as they. Feminists and Mgtow come to mind in regards to this.
98% of leftism has always been cruel lies at it's core.
Um, about the whole attempt to denounce "fragile masculinity" you made.
I have bad news for you, sonny-boy.
It could be used as an example of "fragile masculinity".
Quit whining and man up. Some bitch throws around "toxic masculinity" or some other term to shut you up? WHO THE FUCK CARES? She's just some stupid bitch, after all. SHE DOES NOT MATTER. Man up, buttercup.
All of those are just words used by feminists to de humanize men, make us look like raging raping monsters instead of humans, yes feminists hate men that much