A brief list of men’s issues that have been ignored for far too long

[ADFSDF1996]

Men suffer just as much as women do but society doesn’t seem to care. Men have been considered expendable for far too long. Men are treated like working animals rather than people. Here are the biggest issues men face that need to be fixed sooner rather than later.

1. Sex crimes against males:

Males rarely come forward because they know they’ll often be made fun of and not taken seriously. One has to wonder just how many males out there have suffered a sex crime but are keeping it to themselves.

2. Innocent men are wrongly imprisoned after being falsely accused of a sex crime:

How many times has a man had his life ruined because of a false accusation and yet no outrage from the 4th wave feminist movement. This is why men are afraid to interact with non related women.

Archie Williams exonerated after 36 years, when it was discovered that he never committed the rape and murder he was accused of.

3. Forced marriage against men:

You probably didn’t know that happens, did you? In certain countries men are abducted and forced into marriage. Yet the mainstream news sources don’t bother to talk about this.

4. Men suffer domestic abuse too:

You think it’s only husbands who are the perpetrators, think again. Sometimes it’s the other way around. But much like males who suffer sex abuse, they too are often times ignored and made fun of.

5. Heightism/short shaming:

Whelp, so much for “body acceptance” yet men are constantly shamed for a trait they have no control over. Heightism is a illogical attitude because whether you are short medium or tall there are pros and cons to your height. For example, short people might have lower reach but they have the advantage of being more dexterous.

6. Men make up a large percentage of the homeless:

There are more men than women when it comes to homelessness, I don’t hear 4th wave feminists bringing this up in discussions between “ privilege vs Underprivileged” And not to mention that a certain group of people stoop lower and accuse homeless men of having “toxic masculinity”

7. Men are more likely to be victims of a violent crime:

Statistics show that men are more likely to be a victim of a violent crime, yet no outrage. Where are the campaigns against “violence against men”? Where are the protests demanding justice for men who were victims of a violent crime?

8. Forced effeminacy:

Forcing a person to be something they don’t want to be is beyond cruel and is totalitarian in nature.

9. Male genital mutilation:

The worse thing that could happen to a male is genital mutilation. No male deserves to be a victim of such a barbaric practice. It’s disgusting how some people find it humorous. It’s an atrocious practice that needs to be eliminated.

10. Men receive harsher sentences than women for the same crime:

It’s well known that women receive lighter sentences than men on average, especially for the same crime.

11. Male rape is poorly portrayed in the media:

Male rape in movies and shows is rarely shown in a serious manner, it often done in a humorous way and when it’s done in a more serious manner, a certain crowd throws temper tantrums because they think it is “unnecessary” to show that men can fall victim to rape. Even worse, when it’s a female on male rape scene, some members of the same crowd consider it “empowering” for women.

12. Socially acceptable to put down men:

You can poke fun at a man’s genitals, openly say that “women are better than men”, physically attack men, promote violence against men as “female empowerment” and outright vilify men yet the 4th wave feminists stay silent and play along with it or take part in it. On Father’s Day Topeka PD basically mocked all fathers by posting a very unprofessional tweet. Yeah they apologized for it but I doubt it was a sincere apology.

13. Asian men are treated as expendable:

Out of all the races, Asians especially Asian men are the most underrepresented. They are treated as if they are at the bottom of a hierarchy. They rarely get lead roles in the entertainment industry, they get laughed at and nobody vouches for the Asian community when an Asian is a victim of discrimination or a crime. And when an Asian male stands up for himself, people get upset.

14. Double standard of male objectification:

Why is there only outrage when women are sexually objectified yet there’s absolute silence when men are objectified?

15. Men have a higher workplace fatality rate than women:

It’s a well known fact that more men die at work than women. It’s been like this for many years. The reason being that more men take up the higher risk jobs that pay handsomely.

16. Men more likely to die in war:

This should be obvious but surprisingly some people think it’s other way around. All research has proven that men make up the largest casualties of war.

17. There are higher suicide rates among men than women:

The entertainment industry makes it seem as if women are the primary victims of suicide but in reality men make up the larger numbers of suicide victims. The reasons being that men aren’t usually open about their feelings and because male suicide victims usually use more “effective” means.

For the record, I’m not saying that women don’t have their own issues they deal with on a daily basis that need to be fixed but it’s unfair to treat men’s issues as “unimportant”. Us men aren’t machines, we are human beings too.These are all issues that men go through that are almost never talked about. The only people who actually have brought these issues to public attention and have actually been trying to combat these issues are the men’s rights groups and non feminist women.

In order to solve these issues. People, specifically the liberals and 4th wave feminists need to stop looking in the wrong places and blaming imaginary boogeymen. Don’t blame so called “toxic masculinity”, don’t blame the so called “patriarchy”. If you want to blame something then think critically and look in the mirror to root out the toxic elements on your side but most importantly, acknowledge that some things can’t be blamed on anyone. Further more, crocodile tears aren’t sincere but if the liberal and 4th wave feminist communities truly want to help males, then they should listen to what males want and don’t force their political agendas onto males.

Don’t forget about this special day that goes under most people’s radars.

Sources:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/inews.co.uk/news/number-of-men-being-forced-into-marriage-reaches-seven-year-high/amp/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/psmag.com/.amp/news/women-sexually-assault-men-92099

https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/US/man-exonerated-wrongful-rape-conviction-36-years-prison/story%3fid=61865415

https://www.google.com/amp/s/brightonmanplan.wordpress.com/2012/01/19/male-victims-of-domestic-violence-suffering-in-silence-summary/amp/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/news/9300395/mum-son-lesbian-lover-murder-killed-brazil/amp/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ntd.com/mother-forces-son-to-dress-as-girl-dads-rights-at-risk-for-offering-choice_262028.html/amp

https://www.BBC.com/news/amp/uk-politics-47006912

https://www.culturalweekly.com/homeless-men-women/

https://nij.gov/topics/victims-victimization/pages/welcome.aspx

https://www.fastcompany.com/40590269/asian-americans-on-being-likable-in-the-modern-workplace

https://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/how-come-nobody-talks-about-the-gender-workplace-death-gap/

https://politicalviolenceataglance.org/2013/07/11/male-victimhood-in-armed-conflict/

https://afsp.org/about-suicide/suicide-statistics/

[Brookie1212]

Very glad you wrote this. It seems lately it’s all about women and “poor us” but really we are forgetting about men’s issues too. Not saying all women do, but these days it is so easy for a woman to take advnatage of a man because they know that their side will be taken vs the mans. It is good to get this out publicly and sadly, there will
Still be backlash even when it’s true

[Gopnik]

seems feminists just want to be upheld to empower themselves without any regards for others, whether they be male or female.

[RussianNestingDoll]

This is an amazing write! Can you get published other places besides in here? I’m asking because these things are correct and so many people are ignorant to these injustices. You deserve a far reaching platform. 👍❤️

[SwordShield]

𝗧𝘄𝗼 𝘄𝗼𝗺𝗲𝗻 𝗱𝗼𝘄𝗻𝘃𝗼𝘁𝗲𝗱, 𝗜 𝘄𝗼𝗻𝗱𝗲𝗿 𝘄𝗵𝘆?

[SkipStop]

Very happy that you are red-pilled. Stay strong and raise your voice. We need more and stronger men's rights groups. Greater outrage and push real information into the media. Get rid of gynocentrism and imprison all misandrists.

[monkeynutts]

Thanks again for pointing out the hypocrisy in our societies.

[PinkMichae]

I understand some of these. But I believe the reason why women have so much support when they are abused and raped is because women came together to make safe places, education and shelters. It would be hard for traumatized women to allow a man in these groups because a man was their abusers or rapist. I think men need to ban together to make shelters and groups for them for abuse and rape. I believe it's more men that would make fun of the situation. As a woman I would be horrified to know a man was raped and abused. And I do know it happens because a few opened up to me about it. I think if men could stop being so prideful and tell their stories instead of being ashamed it would help. I feel most women minus maybe the feminist would be sympathetic and are to a man opening up and saying he has been abused or raped. Its other men that don't believe it or think they need to suck it up. Men need to empower themselves like women did to bring attention to these issues and start doing something about it. Do you don't think when women started to speak up they were also turned away at one point. Or had no help. That's why women came together opening abuse shelters and getting it out to the world the issue. And that's exactly what you men need to do. I agree you guys need more help. But until guys need to talk about it despite what others say.

And I'd like to know where you get your info that women feel empowered by male rape scenes. I know that's never been my reaction. So please show me the study that says this.

I agree women are way to picky when it comes to a man's height. I think it's stupid. But when you complain that we poke fun of your genitals, do you not think us women deal with the same ridicule about out breast size? Both men and women claim the other is better with this stupid battle of the sexes. I too wish that would stop on both sides. And once again please produce info how we promote violence against men. I mean so much so that it's a general issue amongst men.

I don't live in Asia so I can say whether men are expendable there. If so I agree that needs to change.

I think women definitely need to stop being so sensitive about men objectifying them. The first thing men see is a womans appearance so of course he's gonna form an opinion on her physical body first. If a guy thinks I'm hot I take it as a compliment. I don't feel degraded. I'd only feel objectified if he called me ugly. That's degrading. Men don't usually complain about those things and usually take a woman checking him out as a compliment.

Men choose to work higher risk jobs. And I'm thankful and proud that they are not afraid too. It's unfortunate that anyone dies doing their job. But I'm sure they knew the risk when they took the job. I don't see that as a bad thing. I see it as honorable. I wish more women were equipped to do them but only a handful compared to men are. Same with men in the military. They know what they are signing up for.

[PinkMichae]

I agree men do need to be seen as important because they are. Life would cease to exist without them. But change needs to start with remembering we are all humans that are needed in this world. And I hope men will stand up and support abuse and rape support groups, shelter, and changing perception so they can report these crimes without feeling ashamed it makes them weak. Because it doesn't.

[ADFSDF1996]

It’s usually the male feminists aka “soyboys” who make fun of male victims. Because they are a bunch of sycophants who put more emphasis on women’s issues than equally caring about men’s and women’s issues.

Men’s rights activists are the only ones who care men’s issues and have actually done things to help men.

[PinkMichae]

I don't necessarily agree. You got the male cops that may make it uncomfortable for men to report rape or abuse, you got the men who tell their friend they will look weak by letting admitting a woman rape or abuse them. You got a lot of the male judges placing harsher sentences on men.

With that said I'm glad there are men activists that are trying to change things. But it's mostly the man's perception in society that needs to be changed. And today's feminazis need to stop devaluing men. But besides them I believe women do care and would have empathy for men and wouldn't see them as weak.

[PinkMichae]

It would be a bit hypocritical if we did see them as weak for being raped or abused when we tell other women they are strong for being survivors. But honestly I would love to get involved with helping men understand that when these things happen it doesn't make them any less than a man. That they are allowed to be emotional without being seen as weak. I do see men as emotional like us anyway. I just see them Express their emotions more with anger than tears. But I think that's more to do with biology.

But men are the best ones to advocate for other men because men and women do think differently. And men can better understand mens issues. Other men can better understand what men go through with abusive relationships and rape. It's gonna take strong men that have been through it to help others. And I pray they do. Like I said it was mostly women that stepped up to help other women.

I have nothing against original feminist that fought to change things like us being able to work. Things that did need to be changed. It's the ones today that devalue men and still think we are oppressed by men today that I have no respect for. Just as I don't agree the right approach to fixing mens issues is to take a page from the feminazis by devaluing women, blaming them, hating them, and not seeing their worth in this world. And this is solely in my own country. There are other countries where women do need more equal rights and like you said some that don't see men as expendable.

[Lliam]

What a great comment, PinkMichae.

[PinkMichae]

@Lliam Thank you. I'm glad it makes sense to others and hope someday we can all be humanist instead of just supporting our own gender.😎

[Cocacolaaddict]

Yeah opening up sounds all right however there's 2 problems one he is shamed and emasculated 2 if a man a tells a woman she is secretly judging him even if she is nice about it men are valued on their strength and if a man is a victim he is seen as weak therefore worthless and no woman wants a weak man therefore by opening up to women your cutting yourself out because she isn't going to her think your partner potential after that you will probably be called a friend or "a nice guy" and I think we all know what that means and women gossip a lot to their friends in secret and in the end you end up with hundreds of people knowing your secret and judging you while pretending they know nothing so opening up to women seems like a bad idea and suffering in silence seems preferable than subjecting yourself to that personally I'd keep it to myself because I'd get over it in time but telling people your secret will never ever go away

[Lightning8]

For the male space thing I basically agree. It's only that the first domestic abuse shelter was for males and females, adults and children, but then men weren't actually allowed to be there due to either just the women's fear, or feminism. And then almost every effort to create male domestic violence shelters were later thwarted, to the point that only a handful of these shelters exist, like 2 or 3 in the States. So the resistence was real.

But when men show their weaknesses, usually women just aren't attracted almost no matter what many of them may say. So being truly vulnerable can uniquely sever a guy's chances at having a family. That's a big reason why so many men don't do it; because it's essentally martyrdom. But there are growing communities like the mgtow philosophy (which is like a sexual version of the philosophy of Stoicism), and of course, there's the Men's Rights Movement [MRM].

[PinkMichae]

@Lightning8 I am aware that they started having just female shelters do to women fearing men which to me makes sense. Which is why there should only be mens ones too. I don't think there's any proof it was from feminists. Since it was primarily women being abused or at least coming forward they needed a place to feel safe until they could get counseling to understand they don't need to fear all men. It's sad more mens shelters weren't opened but I believe men need to be more proactive in making that happen.

As far as men showing weakness. I've seen more men being down on themselves and each other for showing weakness than women. I've seen women stand by men through times they broke down. No one is gonna be attracted to someone who is an emotional basket case all the time. Because we need to know men can pull it together. I really just can't relate to what you say at all because I've been there for my man through his depression, anxiety, job losses, family dying, etc.. I've seen my girlfriends stand by their guys too. In initial dating men and women may be turned off being over emotional because they haven't grown to care enough about the person. Can you honestly say you men find women being over emotional attractive?

And I see mgtow to be no better than feminazis. I'm for people who are humanist.

[Lightning8]

Yeah the first shelter made sense, but to my knowledge, they were later trying to make all men shelters. But the thought was that doing so takes away frpm abused women's ability to benefit from the space and money used for such a shelter.

[Lightning8]

We're supposed to care for her regardless. Her distress is more of a call to action and when we are able to help and assure her it makes feel useful, wanted, secure, good, etc. It makes us feel good to be acknowledged and appreciated for being strong and steady. So it's not unattractive.

[Lightning8]

Overall I'm with you though. I wish many more would just be humanist and embrace things like humility, compassion and humanization for everyone. Just seems to be a very zero sum game to most. And people treat even their intimate partners in such a consumerist manner, like they're products.

[PinkMichae]

I don't know. I guess I can't speak for all women but people don't always see things behind close doors. My experience with the different men in my life including family, friends, and boyfriends have at some point broken down to me or expressed sadness and emotions. But all these happened privately and I can only imagine the same happens with other women. Not all because I know some women can lack compassion. But I believe most guys aren't gonna admit a woman has been a shoulder to cry on because they do feel it makes them sound weak. But in my experience as far back as childhood it was the other boys making fun of other boys if they cried like a girl. And it was the fathers telling their sons not to be a cry baby. Or it's the football coach telling the players to suck it up and be tough. Women in general have always been more nurturers. I had an older brother and my mom wished my brother wouldn't have held in his emotions. It's the same with my 15 yr old son. It was his father that taught him by example not to cry but little does my son know his dad has broken down to me in private. He's seen me cry especially when his dad and I separated and I'm positive his dad didn't cry but showed anger. And now when my son gets upset I tell him it's ok to cry sometimes but he holds it in and just gets angry. And maybe part of that has to do with conditioning and partly from men having different hormones than us women. I just feel when a woman cares about a man she doesn't see him as weak when he breaks down. Yes women like men that are protectors. But we don't expect our men to be bulletproof. I really believe it's more men that need to stop thinking that way. And I'm not gonna say it's not hard to watch a man break down because we know men don't break down as much. So when they do we know they are really hurting. And it would take a really cold heart to hold that against a man. It shows strength for a man to be vulnerable. Not weakness.

[tzdc21]

Well therein lies another problem with what you just stated. Usually when a male help center comes in, or someone even speaks about men's rights, what does society do? The exact same thing they always do, they make a push to tear them down. That's another problem. I think that there have been shelters or help centers open for men, but the gynocentric society has found and torn them down. Do I disagree with what you're saying? Absolutely not. But easier said than done.

[Alice2398]

Thanks for sharing, i know it seems like women dont care or understand but some of us really do, i have so many male friends who've had girlfriends who have truly just emotionally, physically and mentally abused them and taken them for granted and their told to get over it and called pussys.

The main reason i feel so strongly about mens rights is my childhood best friend (no longer, she's dead to me) constantly lied about being raped for attention. The first person she ever lied about was a relative of mine, she told the whole school and i had to suffer the consequences of her lies people thinking i was related to a rapist but i also couldn't be mad out of guilt but once i spoke to her about it i realised she was lying. She said it was when 10 and she was 5, he's only a year older than me. After this she went on to lie about being raped my two other men, it's totally unforgivable and there's no excuse for it. I have nothing to do with her any longer and the sight of her maked me sick

[Janncis]

Because there really aren't any consequnces about it. Because woman can do so much more than man and claim it under emotions, distress or hormons, and no one will bat an eye for it.

[Cocacolaaddict]

Yup I too have had that experience there was this girl you always cried suicide like everyday talking to her trying to convince her not to kill herself etc. And if anyone tried to leave she would threaten to take her own life eventually she accused my best friend of 10 years who I grew up with since the age of 10 she accused him of threatening to rape her which nearly destroyed our friendship and she would often say all the bad shit other people did to her eventually she got round this me she blocked me but couldn't think of anything I would do that people would believe a few weeks later she came running back and I told her to piss off

[Alice2398]

@Janncis i think the justice system are to kind to women and men are not provided there's rights in court, even if they are found not guilty that women has ruined his life, wasted police time, tax payers money and she gets no punishment what so ever.

Woman pedophiles are getting up to 5 years max whilst if a man even misplaces his hand on a child he's locked up for life not saying being a pedophile is okay by the way.

But if women want equality we have to start taking responsibility equally just like men do we should be treated the same even the court room

[SwordShield]

AYE AYE!

[Ayer93]

Absolutely disgusting to see how many females are down talking these issues.

Most of the issues I agree with, however there are some that aren't as big a deal to me.
For 7 there are more males involved in violent scenarios than females, so it's obvious the stats would be have a big difference for that issue. For 9, I don't believe there are many people who find male genital mutilation humorous. However, I do admit I'm tired of hearing "I'll cut your dick off" or "I'll cut your balls off" even as a joke. You never or rarely hear guys say "I'll cut your clit off" or "I'll stick a knife in your pussy". It's gruesome to even think about. 13, I think many races have it tough. Not especially Asians. I'd rather be an Asian than a black man in America, so you posting that as an issue makes me think that you are an Asian guy yourself. 16, obviously more men die in war. Its mostly men that go to war. And for 17 males have always suicided more than females.

2 for me is the biggest issue. I would absolutely hate and probably try to kill a girl that falsely accused me for a crime and took 30 years of my life. And girls seem to have all the power nowadays. One word from them is all it takes to ruin your life. Society now benefits females mostly.

[Liam_Hayden]

Great list. I would also add divorce/child custody disparities. One illustrative example is a recent case where the dad took full care of the child while the mother was incarcerated for eight years only to have the mother almost immediately being given full physical custody upon release.

Also, there is a huge disparity in spousal support awards depending upon whether the recipient is male of female. In two cases last year before the same judge where the salaries and assets of all involved were nearly identical down to length of marriage, with the only difference being that the wife was primary child caregiver in the first marriage and the husband was primary child caregiver in the second, the wife in the first received a 25% larger dollar amount in spousal support per month with no end date while the husband in the second received less per month with an automatic termination in six years. The child support award were the same under statute, but the judge, who has discretion over spousal, looked at two identical situations and gave the lady far, far, far more.

[Damiankane]

Every single person on this planet has to go through problems , sometimes problems based on gender , race or religion.

Humans of every race , gender and religion have their own unique traits but that same unique trait can cause fear , hatred or even jealousy ( the common fear of something different )
Here are some race based stereotypes (negative )

1. Black men - seen as thugs , uneducated , worthless , abusers and horrible fathers ( also there are rumors who say they have the highest chance of having std )

2. White men - although this may not be popular but these some I heard ) - seen as racist , sexist , mass murders , pedophiles , serial killers , rapes family members ( like daughters and nephews) and mentally deranged

3. Asian men - seen as weird , feminine , small penis , weak , timid and short height

4 . Middle eastern men - sexist and terrorists

5. Mexicans men - well I think trump as explained to you all

6. Indians men - sexist , perverts , immoral , smelly , ugly rapists.

Negative stereotypes of women
1 white women - gold diggers , flat assed , drama queens and spoiled brats

2 black women - ugly , masculine , aggressive and bad mothers

3 Asian women - gold diggers
I'm not sure of Mexicans , Asian , middle eastern and white women as they have the least stereotypes

I don't know much about religions but I know for sure that each of them have problems of their own

So you see the human mind is made make generalisations , it is useful for scientific development and for survival but it also leads us to generalize people as well

You can never factualize human behavior based on race , gender and religion.

Everyone has their own shit to deal with , it's important for society to provide the necessary help for people to solve them no matter how ridiculous and shameful it may be

[Kas19]

I was with you until you said "non feminists". I brought these things to attention with my father and he disagreed that men were victims, that men can't be abused or raped, and that they need to toughen up. So yeah, it is because of toxic masculinity that people turn a blind eye to it. Because men taught eachother that they're supposed to be "strong" and not show emotions, that they're always supposed to like sex, so they can't be raped.

Also, when you're referring to malw genital mutilation, are you referring to circumcision? If not, the news source you referred to received negative backlash, and no one laughed. A better one would have been the woman that squeezed her boyfriends genitals too hard and it hurt him, or the women that cut their boyfriends genitals off. People usually laugh at those.

I agree that women need the same prison sentences as men, but who are we referring to as men? Because black men receive harsher sentences than white men.

Also, I was the one that had to point out International Mens Day to several men who complained that they didn't get a special day to themselves during International Women's Day. So that's typically mens fault for not knowing it.

[Ayer93]

Keep in mind that international men's day is no where near as highlighted as international women's day on the media.

[Combat_Orca]

@Ayer93 I couldn’t care less about international men’s day, these issues need to be tackled and toxic masculinity is at the root of most of them. The MRAs claim to stand for us but spend all their time attacking feminists pointlessly.

[Kas19]

@Ayer93 Combat_Orca is right. I believe MRAs are part of the reason International Mens Day doesn't get a lot of attention in the media, though I'm not sure.

And I guess another way to look at it is, if not a lot of men care about international mens day, how is it going to be in the media? Why would people put something that possibly wouldn't generate a lot of views in the media?

[ADFSDF1996]

@Combat_Orca Then you’ve clearly been brainwashed into thinking that toxic masculinity is the root of all of men’s problems but it’s not. Toxic liberalism is also to blame. The biggest irony is that the concept of “toxic masculinity” was coined by Men’s rights activists and was originally meant to help men become better people, not to shame masculinity.

The MRAs have also done a lot more for males than the 4th wave feminists.

[Kas19]

@ADFSDF1996 Uh, no.

[Ayer93]

I don't care about international men's day either nor will I ever parade around supporting it or anything. I'm just saying it's a lot less highlighted than international women's day so it's understandable that many guys don't know about it. Am I wrong?

My point was that there's no point in bringing up such an unimportant concept. We definitely need to tackle the real issues.

[Combat_Orca]

I can believe the MRAs have done some good for some men. They at least do talk about some of these issues. They then ruin it by blaming feminists and getting all confused about what caused the issues in the first place. Whether it causes all these issues or not toxic masculinity is responsible for a lot of them: teaching men that they need to just accept these hardships without questioning why. But many MRAs will blame anything but traditional gender roles.

[kittycat119]

1. Lots of times they don't come forward yes because they get shamed. And a lot of other times as you see on tv and stuff they don't because other men make them feel like they should have enjoyed it
2. That doesn't happen as much as one would think. Though while they don't get imprisoned they do have their lives messed up because a bitch accused them
3. That's a fair point
4. Everyone knows men suffer and they've been now getting places made and done to help them like women
5. You can't really expect help on that when men are high up there on making fun of each other over this
6. Mainly due to the fact veterans make up a huge percent of our homeless which by the way they are highly talked about
7. Because they make up the larger percent of America
8. Women are forced to be things they aren't as well
9. No one makes fun of that. And sorry it's no where near as bad as what they do to girls
10. That's very true and wrong
11. No women other then creeps find enjoyment in men being raped on tv. And I can make tons of rapes of men on television that where serious and well done that people didn't make fun of
12. The first statement is false. The only true one is no one really cares if we say we're better
13. True but that's racism not really anything 2 do with him being a man all that much
14. Mainly due to women being smaller and seen as weaker by everyone. Though I'll be the first to say I hate how males are treated sexually in certain areas. Especially male strippers and that the women and grope and grabbed them all they want and security does nothing yet you touch the women stripper you'll get beat up
15. Because they work in jobs that have higher fatality rates vs jobs most women do
16. Yeah cause way more men go to war... so of course way more die
17. If people didn't already know that fact they're idiots. I've known that since I was a little girl. It's like 1:4 Or 1:3 ratio

[ADFSDF1996]

1.) Its called gynocentrism. Blaming men is no different than blaming the victim

2.) It sure does happen a lot, especially now with the metoo movement going around. Why do you think men are trying to avoid random women all of the sudden?

4) It’s the men’s rights activists who are making those places, not the feminists.

5.) More victim blaming. If you want to blame someone then blame the so called “male feminists” or soyboys.

6.) only the men’s rights activists talk about it.

7.) It’s the same worldwide

8.) In the developer world it’s mostly men who are victims to this. Trying to make this about feminism, shows that you don’t actually care about men’s issues.

9.) There you go again, assuming that women have it worse. You are a woman, I don’t expect you to see it from the male perspective.

11.) There are many women who use it as fap material.

12.) It’s all true, it’s been made socially acceptable to attack men just for being men.

13.) It racism, misandry and Classism put together. Liberals don’t like Asians because they consider Asians to be “privileged”.

14.) That’s no excuse, it’s hypocritical

15.) I’m sure I said that already.

16.) This includes civilian deaths

17.) Apparently many people don’t or simply don’t care.

[kittycat119]

1. Not victim blaming society blaming
2. They aren't going to jail most of the time
4. And do you see men making homes for battered women or feminist.
5. Again not victim blaming
6. Not even remotely true
7. No it's not
8. Not true
9. Yes because having a trained doctor cut off some skin is way worse then a random person using dirty tools to cut off a girls only link to an orgasm. by the way most girls die having this done or are left severely scared.
11. Lmao assuming much
12. No it's not
13. Privileged far from it. They just work for what they have
14. No excuse I'm just telling you the reason
15. So blame men then for choosing jobs they know the risk for
16. Men make up the higher percent of people... so again
17. And those people r retarded

[ADFSDF1996]

1.) blaming men is victim blaming

2.) Their careers and reputation is still damaged

4.) Why should they, when that’s already covered?

5.) Putting all the blame on men is victim blaming. Most of the blame should be put on toxic liberalism

6.) I don’t hear 4th wave feminists or the liberals talking about it, except for trying to blame men’s misfortunes on the fictional boogeyman “toxic masculinity”

7.) Yes it is, look at the statistics from other countries

8.) You didn’t watch the video or read the article did you? I’m not talking about circumcision. I’m talking about a much worse practice.

11.) Many women have admitted to doing that.

12.) Example promoting violence against men as female empowerment

13.) That’s not how the liberals see it.

15.) I never blamed men, what are you taking about?

16.) When one country takes over another country, a large percentage of the men are killed off.

17.) Yeah, their stupid.

[UnicornLobotomy]

@ADFSDF1996 You made very compelling and cogent argument to support your premise, don't expect a lot of support on here. Kudos.

[Poppykate]

I agree with you on these issues... but some are also a double edged sword.

Men have a higher workplace fatality rate than women... but are also known to encourage in risky, dangerous and sometimes downright irresponsible behaviour in the workplace at much higher rates than women. You only have to look at workers compensation for statistics.

Men are more likely to be victims of a violent crime... but men are 10 times more likely to commit a violent crime!

While, I feel that these issues need to be address, men do need to take responsibility for their own actions.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

No one is trying to blame those problems on women. We are just saying that those problems exist and are often neglected because they happen to men.

[Armourdillo]

Let me take responsibility for the man who stabbed me. Nice.

[Armourdillo]

Saying all individual men represent and need to answer for anything any man does is just wrong, im sorry. I refuse to take responsibility for shit I did not do. I will GLADLY help others in need and give representation where i can, but i REFUSE to take responsibility for another actions.

[monkeynutts]

Your right but it is a matter of perspective.
I associate with many criminals, some of them try and ingratiate themselves into my world, like as if I really like being around them. For me an education was the best opportunity to live a life that was less trouble, for other men it may have been Capoeira that saved them from being a thug. Most of the men that live a life that is wholesome, they were born into happy and safe families, positive environments that provided for all the basic needs for the development of a good human being. For me no, I was born a criminal, and will still most likely die a violent death.

[Poppykate]

@monkeynutts You determine your own destiny. Like it or not, you are who you associate with. Whatever, they are rubs off on you! If I was a man, I would surround myself with ‘good men’. Men that are passionate and determined in their field of interests. Want to make a positive impact on the world. In this world there are two types of people- givers and takers (parasites). Only you can decide which one you want to be.

[Poppykate]

@ThisIsMyOpinion A lot of women’s issues have been addressed, because women fought hard to bring attention to these issues! So come on men! Band together, and work together to come up with a solution.

[monkeynutts]

Yeah I agree. I go with what I know. Sometimes that gets me mixted up with the pigs. And we'll I ain't going to shit on or leave behind my breatheren, does not matter what they do. Generally there is a very good and plausible reason why people commit various sins. Most of the time it's none of my business, I don't ask.

[Poppykate]

@monkeynutts... the problem is that trouble often breeds trouble. And breatheren sometimes forget that, and drag you into their shit pen. A good brother wouldn’t do that!

[monkeynutts]

Naa not a real brother, we can smell trouble, and when that dank odour comes around we retreat into a place that will reduce the likelihood of innocent people being hurt. I don't associate with people who don't subscribe to a code of conduct, they are just offal, pig shit, the people you read about in news papers.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@Poppykate that would be amazing. Sadly men just don't have that pack mentality when it comes to other men.

[Cocacolaaddict]

Agreed but your implying that we don't already take responsibility I for one always confront myself about things I could improve on and ask myself was I in the right or just I was right if I was wrong admit it and try to correct it

[hellionthesagereborn]

Why don't women take responsibility for theirs though? Not once have I ever heard a woman saying how the many problems women have are self inflicted, only when it comes to men. For the record the workplace accident rate is also because men are expected to make more money then women and higher risk jobs pay more money (statistically women are far less likely to marry a man or date him if he makes less then her). Also statistically 70% of nonreciprocal violence between intimate partners is perpetrated by women against men, is this also men's fault? its true that men take risk, that's the very reason why military, police, and fire departments are almost entirely staffed by men, that's biological in nature and is what allows a man to run into a burning building, allows him to run into a situation where he is being shot at in order to protect others. Why does no one point that out as well, that while they may take more risks, they also take more risks in saving others and helping others as well? This isn't right that in an attempt to point out that male issues are ignored you state that its their fault or primarily their fault. Is it a womans fault for getting date raped at a party? I mean she decided to go to a party with strangers, she decided to go to a party and get blacked out drunk and just assumed everything would be fine, so is she responsible? Any time some one points out that they are accused of "blaming the victim". When ever a woman gets pregnant and doesn't want the child its society, but primarily women who scream out how its not her fault that its "her body her choice" and when the father doesn't want to be involved they are also the ones saying how if he didn't want a child he shouldn't have gotten her pregnant all the while actively avoiding placing any responsibility on the woman. So unless your calling out women, this is a very one sided and frankly hypocritical comment.

[TheAceholeSupreme666]

Aside from marriage, death, prison, false sex crimes allegations, and military service (I am not eligible), I have endured just about everything on that list.
Abuse
Rape (by a male in 1983 on my 6th birthday, twice by females. Didn't bother reporting it because I know it's fucking pointless, not the best time to be mocked and laughed at by the cops for bothering to waste their time making said report)
DV
Homeless (I was homeless for nearly 2 decades)
Heightism (I'm short, but the dexterity thing is great as a lead guitarist)
Genital mutilation in the form of surgical sterilization,
Objectification,
Emasculation (my 2 Twisted Fucking Sisters and several ex's),
Gender biased insults,
Violent crime (numerous attempts on my life),
& plenty of other things...
The shit thing is, I am expected to just allow myself to be a punching bag and I am not allowed to defend myself in any manner. I'm 3xpected to just sit down, shut up, and take my medicine.
The shit I have been through quite literally qualifies as torture.
Even if I do say something, nobody believes me, then I get mocked, laughed at, and tormented even worse for bothering to speak up. If I raise a hand to defend myself, I am the one who goes to jail.
The laws in CA are so very heavily gender biased in favour of females, it's tragic and pitiful.

[Alpha09]

Good take. Though for 16, I don't who TF is thinking women make up most war casualties. Men are doing most of the fighting and paired with any men caught in crossfire I'd say the rate of men dying is definitely higher. For 14: the outrage for female objectification usually comes from the fact that women are seen as lesser then when the less clothes they have on. Whereas societies perception of a guy with no clothes doesn't really change. He's still treated with respect. No shirt on, no problem. If she doesn't have a shirt on, well she better cover up or she's a slut. We aren't worried about male objectification because a guy with no clothes on isn't seen as demeaning. There isn't a downside. It's starting to even out as society progresses but the stigma is still present.
11: I haven't met anyone who thinks raping a guy is "empowering" thank God, most of us don't think that way.

[Cocacolaaddict]

Male genitalia mutilation the truth of the matter is girls find it funny they really don't care iv spoken to girls about male genitalia mutilation like when a mans dick gets chopped off (usually by an ex or gf) and honestly women just laugh at it (yeah thats right they laugh) then when you ask how can you laugh at such a thing they come back with he probably cheated I'm sure he deserved it why? Well because females have gotten this idea that all men are bad and the ones that aren't disgust them. its funny because they stop laughing when you mention about women getting their breasts cut off no not so funny then. the truth of the matter is nobody cares about males/men we are just tools to give them what they want and we are replacable just like that just a snap of the fingers if we start being human and fall short then they look for the next tool women only care about themselves that's why men are taught to be strong because nobody cares for men the only one who will care for a man is himself

[Lliam]

Good MyTake, ADFSDF1996. All true. Thank you. A couple of things may have been overlooked and some could have gone into more detail. But I understand your attempt to be as brief and concise as possible.

I was shocked but not surprised by some of the toxic comments by females whose membership in the victim mentality cult prevent them from empathizing with men at all. But I was heartened by a few enlightened and understanding women who commented.

I will say that haters are over represented on this site. In my experience, most women like men and can understand the kinds of points that you made while being also fully aware of the problems that women ace in society. I wish that both men and women could empathize with and support each other to create justice for all.

[Shutupman]

Now this is something everyone should be talking about more. I fully agree with you, and it’s plain said how so many people shrug it of. Despite women being naturally more empathic most women haven’t even considered these to be an issue.

[Shutupman]

At that immature little cunt that replied to me and then blocked me ; So according to your logic black on black crime is something no one should complain about or do anything about because it’s black on black?
Also women do abuse their partner whether that’s physically and or mentally. And it happens more than you think. Male genital mutilation is something many mothers allow to happen to their baby, that’s cool?
And why would I be a man? Because I recognize their struggles too? You are the reason so many men hate women. And I can’t disagree with them, you are awful.

[Armourdillo]

Are women naturally more empathetic? to children yea, to how they judge men? Different story.

[Shutupman]

@Armourdillo if you study gender brain differences women are on average more empathic than men. Not just towards kids but in general. One of the reasons why there are less female killers and especially serial killers is because women are somewhat wired differently.

[Armourdillo]

You didn't say "on average" until just now. So as a man should I believe that no matter how empathetic i am, that a women would be more? Is this based on empathy to ALL aspects of life?

Link me the objective data though, I'm curious.

[Shutupman]

@Armourdillo from a science point of view nothing is ever 100% my bad if that didn’t translate in my original opinion. Ofcourse not all women are more empathic but on average women are more empathic. Give me a bit to look up the studies I’m talking about.

[Armourdillo]

So judge individuals on average data from the report.

[Shutupman]

@Armourdillo I never said to judge individuals for common traits within their group. but that doesn’t negate that there are gender differences.

[Armourdillo]

waht do i do with those gender differences then

[Shutupman]

@Armourdillo nothing necessarily, knowing the earth is round it doesn’t impact how you live life does it? Just because most terrorists the past couple of years have been Muslim doesn’t mean that every Muslim is a terrorist. I’m simply stating studies and tendencies. If you find it offensive well I that’s your problem. I don’t have an issue with recognizing most men have more muscle mass than me and thus are often stronger than I am.

[Armourdillo]

so you say it for no reason then

[Shutupman]

@Armourdillo you asked what you I did, because women don’t seem to recognize

[Shutupman]

@Armourdillo * you asked me what you should do with that info.
I said it because a lot of women seem to brush these problems off like they aren significant or simply don’t even recognize them despite women naturally being more empathic. It’s a contradiction. You sir are very tiring.

[Armourdillo]

It is a contradiction, yet you're still imposing.

[Shutupman]

@Armourdillo imposing how? I was just stating something that is known through studies and experiments. Why are you so offended by what I said?

[Armourdillo]

Im not offended, im suspicious why you would say that in the first place if you didn't want me to start judging people based on that data

[Shutupman]

@Armourdillo you are your own person, you are an adult and should be capable to make decisions on your own. How you want to perceive the world is up to you, I could care less. I stated what is known. You are making an issue out of it.

[Armourdillo]

Im not making it an issue, you said "Despite women being naturally more empat[et]h[t]ic", Explain what your point is here? It seems to imply women as a gender are more empathetic than men as a gender, was this not your intention?

[Shutupman]

@Armourdillo yes, on average women are more empathic. Did you read the studies I send you? Have you researched this topic yourself?

[Armourdillo]

I did, they talk about natural forms of affective and cognitive empathy.
I think you should look at average cultivated empathy rather than solely natural as once a human enter society, all "natural" things change.

[Armourdillo]

Many men do cultivate empathy more so now than in previous generations, but lingering stigma impacts how it's expressed.

Saying "Despite women being naturally more empathetic" i guess if anything shows how women are trying to change this.

[Shutupman]

@Armourdillo and did I not mention how it can be changed? Did I ever say men are not empathic?
One can get desensitized by being exposed to certain things. Which is why there is a debate going on whether or not violent video games could influence how the youth normalizes violence. Again I said what I had to say, I’m honestly done with this, we are just going in circles. There are other books and studies out there if you are so interested but I made my point.

[Armourdillo]

Context

[Cocacolaaddict]

I believe he was just trying to have a discussion a friendly conversation not an argument

[Shutupman]

@Cocacolaaddict so did I but the same conversation kept repeating itself not just here but also in private chat. I said what I had to say and it’s pointless to keep going back and forth about the same things.

[Armourdillo]

"Despite women being naturally more empathic most women haven’t even considered these to be an issue."

just explain why you brought that up in the first place

[Shutupman]

@Armourdillo because women are supposed to be the ones that are more emotionally caring and empathic yet that is not the case looking at the answers been given and the fact hardly anyone campaigns for the fair treatment of men for example in court.

[ManOnFire]

I hear you, but the problem is mostly because men in power don't really care about men in general. Women don't help either because any time an effort is even started to try to help men in any of these scenarios, women will try to steal the show by complaining about how they still need help too, then people start flaking and decide to cater to them instead.

It seems to be that our world thinks that men must apologize for everything first before they can ever get any attention to their problems, or that women must always be helped instead.

[alohaahyes]

I'm glad you wrote this. People need to be just as aware of men's issues as they are of women's issues. How are y'all gonna fix this? Obviously, the people in power could care less. A lot of people are apathetic to men's problems... even men. I wrote a question asking "how come no one does anything about men's issues" or something like that and many of the responses were from guys who feel as though they have to "deal with it". Men need to get out of that mindset and do something about it. I believe men can actually learn some thing's from the 1st TWO waves of feminism and use what they learned as a way to get their problems fixed. And also they should stop allowing feminazis to stop them from doing something that will help men. People tried their best to stop women from getting rights but women still fought for them. Men can do the same with their issues.

[DWD94]

No point in fixing it. Men have tried to fix it. Their efforts are thwarted by feminists that proceed to disrupt events organized by men and proceed to harass/bully men attending these events.

The more men fight, the harder feminists (as well as many women) will push back. Its an endless game of tug-a-war.

Men should just stop helping women, stop doing the dangerous jobs, start draft dodging, and refusing to marry. Maybe then people will listen, but not likely.

[alohaahyes]

Feminists back in the day kept trying and they still got what they wanted. I thought men were the strongest (mentally and physically) gender. How could they allow a bunch of feminist to bully them? Y'all had a a couple of MRA meetings/events and gave up. Seriously? Keep trying! I doubt you've even done anything to help. Sitting behind a computer screen isn't going to help you. If there's no point in fixing it then there's no point in complaining about it, right?

[alohaahyes]

The misandrists aren't going to help you. Men don't seem to care. people in power are only worried about what happens to women. The men who actually care about getting their issues fixed aren't putting their foot down.

[alohaahyes]

Why is the MRA so against trying and never giving up?

[DWD94]

Well feminists do more than just 'bully'. They send death threats, engage in doxing, harassment, defamation, etc.

I have no desire to fight a losing battle. Like I said, the more men fight, the harder feminists (and many other women) will just push back.

Only way for men to really see any change is to just stop contributing to society. That means refusing to vote, refusing to help women and children, draft-dodging/refusing to sign up for selective service, refusing marriage, refusing to do dangerous jobs, etc.

Best case scenario, society starts to listen and maybe treats men better.

Normally I agree with your sentiment of 'there's no point in complaining if you're not gonna do something about it', but in this case, men have been trying to something about it. It's all been in vain. The MRM is a lost cause and they're foolish for trying to debate feminists when feminists refuse to listen to the facts and are driven by pure emotion.

[Klara-Hitler]

Good take.

Some women can't handle the fact they are not the only creatures in the world who face hardship in their lives, let alone not the only sex. Pathetic.

[SomeGuyCalledTom]

Part of the problem (as seen in some comments on this very thread) is that society views men both as being both the "violators" and the "violated" when looking at the issues you noted. It's easy to shrug off the fact that most murder victims are men by saying "well most murderers are men". And this is where I think feminists are wrong with their "toxic masculinity" doctrine. Because it doesn't delineate between victim and aggressor. In their eyes, every man is a potential rapist or murderer or abuser or bully. It completely washes over the experiences of the raped, the murdered, the abused, and the bullied. All they're looking for is something that supports the existence of "toxic masculinity", and so they focus on the perpetrator's actions rather than reactions and experiences of the victim. It's hard to maintain a position that "society is ruled by a patriarchal tyranny" whilst also acknowledging the wrongdoings committed against men.

[GraveDoll]

So how do we fix it?

I see we have issues everywhere that are downsized or just always plain ignored.

How do we fix it. None of us (im talk all genders) started the fire.

What is it going to take to fix it? I am sitting homeboys ( getting my ass kick in Soul Calibur VI) and three do not agree while the other three do agree with you. I too agree with you but I have no idea what solution would solve it.

Society knows about the unbalance of the genders, yet refuses and even somehow deny it even with facts. Humans are really really good at that. Always have been.

[Kaazsz]

If you ask me, its both genders making an effort to understand eachother, while also making an effort to help the opposite gender understand you better. I am on that kind of journey. Trying really hard to understand women on a deeper more connected level. i think that if we could come closer together it would help basically everything lol. But it's hard. It seems most girls automatically assume I'm some hateful incel virgin.

Like just right there, the proof is right there. I'm trying hard to learn more about women but it's just not working because the division between us is so bad, that anything I type must first past some sort of test. If I say any word which applies to one of the groups of hateful incel men, than I fail the test. But I don't know what those guys do or say or think. I just type and try to make a bridge, make a connection. And it gets burned down because I'm assumed to be an angry hateful resentful of women, incel. I'm not! lol.

It would be nice if guys and gals on this site talked right, but didn't immediately talk shit and call eachother names and begin the hate train for expressing a perspective or opinion. We need to listen to eachother, and gain eachothers perspectives without judgement.

[GraveDoll]

@Kaazsz

I agree with you and in a perfect world, it works. It would take a really fine balance to do so.

But people have taken opinions and beliefe and turn them into facts. which is indeed a problem. With all of us from different walks of life, it would be extremely almost impossible to do so.

I have female friends who literally shut out anything I say when I tell them not all men are bad. But some have been hurt and rape etc. And I have male friends who have mother issues or hurtful relationships with women who truly did them wrong. Again falls on
death ears.

[AircraftCarrier]

@Kaazsz This is why we're on this website. we're all on the same team here, we want to end prejudices and turn them into knowledge

[scooogy]

@GraveDoll I had sex crimes against myself of which people knew. Yet they did their best to either get me to shut up or to play it down or turn the tables.

[GuidoThePizzaMaker]

As men we can not despair. I think the problem with men nowadays is the acceptance of victim mentality.
Its also competing against women for jobs. They increased the labor force by nearly double in the last 50 years lowering wages for men. I blame the boomers who wanted to take advantage of female employees and get their dicks sucked at woodstock.

Its also the lack of Coming of Age ritual. Men dont know when they become men. Men need a coming of age trial or ceremony where they have to endure something, celebrate their accomplishment, and are given more duties. These duties give them a sense of purpose.
When a man has purpose he will work hard, accomplish his goals, serve his family and community.

[Anjali090]

It’s men who put down men all the time. Who supports circumcision? Plenty of men support it because they believe it prevents diseases and is required in islam and Christianity. And who laughs when a man gets raped? Other men of course. They say things like “hahha you let a woman rape? “ “there’s no such thing as male rape”. Those comments come from other men. As for forced marriages? Done by other men. The father forces other guy to marry his daughter. And as for height? Short guys have no problem finding a date. Just you. Maybe you have a bad personality which shows by writing this poor Take! Take responsibility and be a man! 🙌🏼👍🏼

[ADFSDF1996]

Funny. A couple years ago, I got in a bad argument with a female user on here that didn’t think male rape is real.

[Anjali090]

The male downvotes make me laugh 🤣🤣😂😁

[yourfavperson]

girl the 'just you.' is sending me 😂

[Lightning8]

What's wrong with you?

Many of your statements seem to primarily blame men, yet you choose to end your comment with "Take responsibility and be a man".

(Which, this is really a manifestation of the underlying tone of your whole comment; that his asking for fairness and help is not manly in the eyes a woman or women; therefore he is not man, or at best, not of real value.)

So, you do realize that you just emasculated him though, right? Is it some man's fault that you chose to emasculate a MyTake author who by the way did nothing to you?

It looks like it's you who needs to take responsibility.

[esotericstory]

"It’s men who put down men all the time." who cares who is doing it, it matters that its happening.

[Anjali090]

@esotericstory Then it really isn’t a men’s issues. It’s just people being rude 🙄

[esotericstory]

If one group is disproportionately suffering from an specific problem then its their problem, hence men's issues. Feminists have done a lot about female aggressiveness towards women, why can't men do the same? The sex of the perpetrator does not invalidate the problem.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

You are right! Men do that. You know who else supports circumcision? Women do. Do you know who else laughs when a guy is rapped by a girl? Women do. Do you know who also supports arranged marriages? I will give you a second to think about it...

You are missing the point! The problem are not women! No one is saying that! The problem is society, what men suffer in modern society. That is not only done by one gender is done by BOTH! We need to change everyone not just one side.

[Anjali090]

@Ayer93 Can’t think of a comeback so I’ll call people names. Typical ! 🤣

[Anjali090]

@ThisIsMyOpinion so these are not really men’s issues if plenty of men agree with it. Just say, “topics that I don’t agree with “ and state your reasons why.

[Anjali090]

@esotericstory How are men suffering from circumcision? Plenty of men support it. Maybe you personally don’t like it but plenty of men do. So that doesn’t make it a men’s issues. It’s your personal issue that you don’t agree with circumcision.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@Anjali090 You are so dense... So because one offense in done by the same gender as the victim, the victim loses credibility? That makes no sense.
You know that women in Asian countries also support marrying their 12 year old daughters to 60 years olds for the sake of tradition? So if plenty of women agree with it, and do it to their daughters, it's not really a women's issue right?

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@Anjali090 also many, many many women are the first ones to judge when a girl is raped if she was wearing sexy clothes. They slut shame her on the spot and say she was asking for it. But on you logic since many women agree with it, it's no longer an issue.

[Anjali090]

@ThisIsMyOpinion Because child brides don’t like being child brides. Circumcised men don’t have a problem with it. I’m not dense, you are.

[Ayer93]

Nothing to "come back from." Your comment is like a kid preaching 2+2 is 3. All your statements are simply just not true lmao. Pretty sad there's people as dumb as you in the world.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@Anjali090 first ya some do. Second What about the rapes? Do those boys wanted to be raped?

[Anjali090]

@Ayer93 What’s not true exactly? If you call me names. I’ll report you. Have an adult conversation. Everything I said is true.

[Anjali090]

@ThisIsMyOpinion so circumcision is not a men’s issue, its your personal issue. Write a Take why I am against circumcision. I’ll have more respect for that.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@Anjali090 I am not talking of circumcision in particular! And you know that!
In your answer you talked about circumcision, rape, and forced marriages! Don't try to narrow it down to one thing now.

You are dimissing the gravity of a crime when it's done by a person who is the same gender of the victim. Do you know how messed up that is?
Who cares if women agree with marrying their child to an old men, the child is still a victim!
Who cares if it was a men doing the raping? The young boy is still a victim!

[Anjali090]

@ThisIsMyOpinion Yes they are but circumcised men are not victims.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@Anjali090 you said "so these are not really men’s issues if plenty of men agree with it."
Do you really believe this? If I change the gender "so these are not really women’s issues if plenty of women agree with it." does it still makes sense to you?

[Anjali090]

@ThisIsMyOpinion I meant to say about circumcision specifically. And rape is rape. It doesn’t matter to which gender it happens. Forced marriages is bad, doesn’t matter which gender. My point is other men are the ones who laugh at you for things, not women.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@Anjali090 I agree that circumcision is the least problematic thing you originaly mentioned.
I agree that men laugh at other men and that we should help each other more. But don't mistake yourself, women also laugh at us for the same reasons!

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@Anjali090 or do you really see your gender as perfect and saint? None of you ever laugh at a guy raped by a girl? Do you really think that?

[Kas19]

I was with you until you started telling him to "be a man" since that is one of the hurtful things that causes men to behave this way and ignore their emotions, etc.

Anyway, just wanted to say that I think circumcision is pretty important considering babies die from it every year.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@Ayer93 on the same page.

[Kas19]

@Ayer93 Usually women that talk shit about uncircumcised penises don't know what they're talking about. I fail to see how uncircumcised penises feel any different to circumcised during sex. But yeah, I have a bunch of bible thumpers in my family that support circumcision. I talked to the women in my family, being literally the only one against it. And of course, they said it's because uncircumcised penises look ugly. Which was a bullshit excuse considering they didn't 100% know why they circumcised their son when I asked them, so they tried to justify it the best they could. I'd like to think these women aren't the majority, but I don't know. I personally thing uncircumcised penises look better. Even if they don't, why cut off something if it was supposed to be there in the first place.

But then again, a lot of reasons people find for circumcision are religious. And a doctor that started circumcision was a male, John Harvey Kellog. He started it basically because he was a prude and wanted to stop men from masturbating.

[Anjali090]

@Ayer93 I have reported you for harassing me.

[AkshiJanjua]

immature opinion

[Janncis]

@Anjali090 what is it could you not be like a man and suck it up? But no you reported @Ayer93 for harasment. can't handle hard words, sucks to be you. Goosh i will want to see your face when same things will happen to your son, quiz they will. I can bet my life on that if this goes one, one point you girls will be all on yourself, and no one will go to help you.