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I was once sexually assaulted or at least attempted sexual assault on me by a girl once in high school but at the time I didn't really think of it as at i just thought of it as me been a pussy. Happened in high school a girl I knew just came onto me all of a sudden and started kissing me, then licking my nipples then she put her hands down my pants and tried to grab my penis and so I panicked and didn't let her. There was about 4 other people around and I felt so embarrassed. Its probably why I'm so scared of girls now.
Hey ladies!
One request... Try not to do the "Ya that is true, but women also have to deal with this, this and that". We all know that you also have your problems in society. No one is denying that here. We are simply adressing men's problems now.
Oh my god thank you, this needed to be said
Wasn't the phrase “toxic masculinity” invented by a men's rights group?
Lots of food for thought, there (I had no idea forced marriages of men was a thing), but like another poster said, in a lot of cases it's other men causing the problem as well as suffering from them - toxic masculinity.
I think many women who have this idea of the tall, beautiful, amazing hair, high salaried man is drinking a little too much. If I get married, I'm not thinking, omg my wife is going to cook pancakes for me on a Monday morning before she has to go to work in a leather skimpy outfit! woo-hoo! *smh*
Everything you said is true, even for me I'm 5'8, that's considered "short" for me, but I work out, I'm athletic, I'm strong, I have a university degree, I'm in grad school, I study more about life, religion, science, etc, I try to live by good morals and values and not do stupid shit or post my life on social media by being more low key. So what if I do fit some of those descriptions of what people think of me as? I can't worry about it, I have to break my own barriers and have faith and confidence within myself.
All of the above is good, but there is more, such as unjust divorce law and laws that criminalise normal male sexuality. In Britain and France, approaching a woman can result in a man doing time for an Orwellian hate/thought crime.
I say that nothing will change until enough men take the black pill. Walk away, go Galt, and let everything burn to the ground.
Place upon society, especially women, the same value that they have put upon you.
It's strange that a supposed patriarchal society provides men with the least amount of support
not all of them are rich and old. if men saw and understood that difference more, men would hate the patriarchy a lot more.
@yourfavperson It's almost like patriarchy isn't a thing, and actually money is what matters.
it still very much does exist who do u think made and kept the system going?
@yourfavperson rich people?
oh yup list all the rich women who made and signed the laws put into place, all the women throughout the centuries who were able to work and make big corporations that lobbied government. pls list at least 1 female president that was in charge of all this🤔 quickly.
rich white men is the only answer. dont be silly.
STOP! Yes its all true but women are not capable of empathy in this way. This is why men are to lead the household and why women should not be allowed positions of power. The only way to combat this is not to convince them, that doesn't work, but it is to oppress them. Its sad but true. Women know they aren't capable of caring about this stuff UNLESS they submit to men. So women knowingly submit to men in order to get the benefits created by man and then they care about men. Its that simple. The masculine man who isn't afraid to put down feminism nonsense yet doesn't whine about it is the man who gets what he wants from women. And the man who whines about this crap just doesn't get women to submit to him and gets nothing.
What are you talking about? Does this work in the country you are from?
You're disgusting. Since most men are rapists and murderers and pedos, maybe women should be in power and men should he submissive. See how ridiculous that sounds?
@Shutupman yes. In the US only men who actively seek to lead women and who are firmly against feminism seem to get anywhere with women. Either to hookup or for finding the most desirable women for long term/marriage.
@Kas19 thank you. I am disgusting. Im hairy and sweaty and smelly. Good thing women are beautiful! And i only believe in rape within the confines of marriage or other serious relationship. Thank you very much. :P
I am married to an American that serves in the military, that lifts weights and drinks scotch. He is pretty damn masculine. Anyhow, at no point does he oppress me, treats me as lesser or any of the things you mentioned. We are equals in our relationship. I thought you came from some middle eastern country with what you said.
Where the fuck are you from? You're fucking sick.
@Shutupman I don't know if he's masculine or not. Does he lead you?
@Kas19 usa baby. I think you're pretty sick too. Obviously 99% of men are not rapists but enjoy your delusions. Whereas most women do not empathize with men unless they have submitted to a man. That can be shown by the responses here. In general women dont really care... unless they get married and have kids then they care.
Apparently more comfortable with his masculinity then you are. I would never consider dating a men with your views and I think many women would agree. But to each their own, I’m happy most don’t think like you.
@Shutupman you didn't answer the question. Does he lead you?
Why would I want women to submit to me? Sounds like a lame existence.
Sometimes and sometimes I lead him, we respect on another and are equal to one another. Which is why I wanted to be with him. I’m not just his partner romantically but also his best friend.
@Shutupman so he's not very masculine just in surface qualities.
@Combat_Orca guess you like getting stabbed in the back as women do if they aren't fully invested in you.
He is very masculine, again sounds like he is more secure in his masculinity than you are. If you need to oppress a woman to feel superior and manly you are quite the opposite🤷🏻♀️. So I guess we have different views on what masculinity is.
@Shutupman i follow the definition of masculinity which is defined in the bible. God says a man is to lead. If he is not the leader in your relationship he's certainly not masculine in that respect. No matter how much weight he lifts, he is still a little mouse when it comes to women.
Haha it makes sense, you believe in a book written by random people thousands of years ago and believe in a person in the sky. Cool 😂. Have fun with that, I’ll just enjoy my amazing life free of indoctrination and with my amazing husband that respects me. Have a good day ;)
@Shutupman if he doesn't lead you he doesn't respect you.
Ok pal.
@Shutupman & @Combat_Orca My god this guy is dilusional. It’s no wonder people like that gain no respect and then become overly desperate to try and force it (which obviously never works).
Real men don’t need to try and force respect and admiration from their women, it’s given freely purely because of the person they are (between healthy people) - that’s leading! (If you can’t inspire respect you’re not actually respected or leading). You’d think that would be obvious wouldn’t you, but apparently not to all.
@SiennaSurfer who said its forced? I just dont accept a situation where its not present. If you dont respect me fine no big deal, just wouldn't date you or be your friend or be involved with you. The people who continue on are fucking retards though.
You did. You failed to understand that in a healthy relationship both people take turns to lead in each other’s strengths, it’s not always down to the man to lead. You seem stuck in some sort of cycle of unrealistic garbage you’ve read somewhere spurred on by some toxicity in your past.
Of course you shouldn’t acccept a situation where you’re not respected, but you must respect that other people shouldn’t have to accept a situation where they aren’t respected either. Be very careful not to become the bully who was bullied, it’s a fine line for some.
@SiennaSurfer this is the misinterpretation i see over and over. I never said a woman might not have strengths and they should be utilized but she should never lead. Lead doesn't mean sit in the corner and shut up. The CEO leads but nobody pretends he is the best at every function in a company, of course he defers to employees as needed. He never stops leading and being the ceo. He always leads. I don't know why you and many others assume im like a moron or something im not going to decide what kind of cough syrup to give my sick kid if my wifes a nurse and i never took medicine really ever and just slept it off. Thats moronic. But its being the final say being able to override anything. The ceo can tell the janitor hey you got a great way of cleaning the place and you the expert but it doesn't fit with how we have important meetings scheduled so we have to do it in a less efficient way. That's the power the man should always have.
Hahahaha. I knew that bamesjond0069 was a Bible thumping-type "Christian" when I first read his comment. What amazes me is that there are actually some women who believe as he does and like being slaves.
@Lliam 😄
“But she should never lead” and there in lies your problem. That’s a plain and simple contradiction. You can’t have it both ways.
I’m going to have to avoid coming on at this time. I’ll stick to the UK time zone from now on haha.
@SiennaSurfer so does the ceo always lead the company or do his employees? Smh. The ceo always leads nor does he only rely on his strengths. Don't be willfully ignorant.
Are you actually serious right now because I can’t tell? You do realise the relationship between a CEO and employees is different to the romantic relationship between a man and woman right? Please tell me you do because if not I can’t cope anymore! Lol
@SiennaSurfer nope its supposed to work the same way in terms of leadership. There is only one leader. Period. Anything else is dysfunctional. This is why companies only have one ceo. It is not productive to have two.
😂 I can’t I’m sorry, I wish I could take you more seriously but I’m just not a psychotherapist.
@SiennaSurfer how do people in relationships solve the issue if both are leaders and one wants to go left and the other right and they both feel strongly about it? In my experience, I've never seen a couple resolve this in a functional way. Usually they lose respect, break up, sabotage the other, resent each other, make no decision, or just yell a lot. None of those are functional ways of dealing with a disagreement, yet they are generally what happens in all relationships with two leaders. They rarely happen in relationships with one leader.
It’s called compromise! That’s what you do in a relationship! Give and take equally! That’s where the respect comes in!
Hence why I said it seems like you’ve only ever known a model of toxic behaviours (which is very clear) and that’s not your fault, but you are responsible for fixing it if you want that respect. Trying to force someone to respect you will never work. They have to want to respect you. And nobody likes their freedom of choice taken away, that’ll never be respected and will just drive people in the extreme opposite direction. You seem to be an example of that by taking this idea too far into the opposite negative end of the scale.
@SiennaSurfer compromise is way too simplistic. It rarely works and when it does its rarely efficient. If hubby gets a job in NY and wifey in LA. How tf do you compromise that out? Smh. Many situations cannot be compromised. And many decisions need to be made quickly without sitting around for months debating and proposing 20 solutions. One leader relationship will always get further ahead than what you suggest with less arguments. Sounds like what im looking for, accomplishing shared goals and minimal fighting. Not into a relationship with no goals i got shit to accomplish.
Sounds like it just doesn’t work out for you. Compromise works in most relationships.
Or how is your wife doing?
@Shutupman well most relationships do not work out and most marriages end in divorce so compromise between two leaders does not appear to work.
Why would me not entering a dysfunctional relationship have to do with what we are talking about?
What you are saying would be a lot more credible if you have been in a happy relationshipYet you are over 30 and single. So perhaps you are doing something wrong hmm? Food for thought.
News flash divorce rates have been going down since 1992.
Compromise is too simple? The hell! Really? You don’t think that’s what a relationship is actually made of? Dude you’re lost! What are you going to do? Kidnap her and take her to your chosen state againast her will? Apparently you seem to think people aren’t capable of making their own decisions since it supposedly takes months to decide where to live! Er no! Just no. If you’re never willing to compromise nobodynis ever going to want you. EVERY relationship takes compromise. Your problem, the way you describe, is actually based on a lack of compatibility, compromise isn’t the issue you’re trying to make it out to be! In that case you both just go your own separate ways. Find someone more compatible (who wants the same things) it’s not your place to control anyone!
@Shutupman not really. I don't think simply being in a relationship or married has anything to do with it. Being in a long term relationship for many years would. I was in a 10 year long relationship and this worked really great for us. That's how i know it works. We only broke up for things mainly out of our control. I also know most women prefer men like me so I'm not some random guy spewing shit.
@SiennaSurfer so what if you're perfectly compatible today and then in 5 years you arent? There must be a set way to get through disagreements and tough issues or you will definitely break up at the first issue that cannot be resolved. Its that simple. So you're married 10 years and you each are offered your dream job on other sides of the country... compromise is not possible in this situation. How do you resolve it?
But you broke up so it didn’t work.
A family member of mine has been together with her boyfriend for 13 years now, they are planning on getting married. They don’t want kids, she has always earned more (she is a lawyer) and they respect one another. They compromise and they are still together. So you are wrong it does work ;)
And judging by the fact you only got downvotes I think it’s fair to say most wouldn’t want a relationship as what you described ;)
You misunderstand compromise, it does not mean both get to do what they want at all times. You weight out the options. And in the hypothetical situation of both partners getting offered their dream job at the exact same time in my relationship we would look at the logistics first. Which job offer, offers the best salary, location, what other job opportunities would there be etc. It’s common sense instead of forcing someone to burry their dreams because they are supposed to be submissive.
Okay firstly compromise is ALWAYS possible of you both want the best for each of you, it really IS that simple. Like @Shitupman has already said, you both look at what is best for you both to go forward with. If it isn’t a mutual decision you’re guaranteeing resentment and breaking up further down the line.
As partners you should be empowering each other, not de-powering them. All you have to do is put yourself in their shoes, it’s not really that difficult.
@Shutupman but one must bury their dreams if ones dream is in NY and ones in LA. A slightly higher salary or other benefits will not negate that fact. This is not possible to compromise. Give me an example of how this "mythical" compromise would work? Its is physically impossible.
@Shutupman but y'all haven't been together that long so you got at least 50% chance its not going to work still. Not too impressive. Anyone can get married. I know tons of terrible marriages... and they are currently married for the time being. So what?
@Shutupman plus we only broke up because it was necessary. My dream in life is to have a large family and we found out she was infertile. She did not want children around other than those that are biologically hers and wanted to live a life of fun and little responsibility and my dream is a big family. Doesn't fit. Nobodies fault. She still years later hasn't found a man like me that treats her like i did and im still looking for a girl like her but obviously fertile. Its very sad situation for everyone but this is one of those things where love is just not enough. Relationships are more than that.
true someone might lose the opportunity to do their dream job, but that is also part of compromise. Like I said before compromise doesn’t equal getting your way all the time.
Every relationship and marriage can end bad, even for you who had a relationship for 10 years you let her go because you wanted kids. What makes you think there won’t be any dealbreakers with the next girl you date or potentially marry. Oppressing a woman doesn’t work in most relationships or order a mail order bride from a third world country that might work.
13 years is still longer than your relationship lasted and they are happily together still. So yeah compromise is important in a relationship. At least it is for western women that aren’t oppressed by society and religion.
@Shutupman well most marriages in the 3rd world last their whole lifetimes so they must be better as they last longer. 😝 one example doesn't mean anything. As a whole modern marriage has high divorce rates, traditional has much lower rates. Very simple.
And how is one person giving up their dream job a compromise? That is not the definition of a compromise (settle a dispute by mutual concession) so how do two people who both have their ultimate dream job compromise? You still don't explain this. After your whole life you honestly think people just go ehh its my ultimate dream job no biggie. People do not do that. Smh.
@Shutupman in theory people compromise on things all the time, practically they do not. Or else no couples would ever yell at each other, do things behind the others back, break up... idiots why dont they compromise? Smh its because compromise is not possible or practical many times. If it was of course everyone would always do it.
Yeah and in third world countries women are treated like filth. Might be a good deal for you but I doubt many women in first world countries would want to be treated that way.
Couples break up BECAUSE they don’t compromise or don’t care about the other person, what they want or how they feel.
Again compromise does not mean both get what they want at all times. So yeah they will have to make a choice. One might give up the opportunity or they might both decide to give it a go for a year and do long distance. But that’s key, they have a choice and they discussed it as equals. You would force a woman to do what you want.
Relationships aren’t easy, but most relationships where love and respect is center, dominating a partner doesn’t work. For a few perhaps but not for the mass. This is the 21st century most women and men want meaningful relationships when they commit. Not a slave. At least not here in Northern Europe.
Again divorce rates have been going down, so people are doing something right. And to say married couples had it so much better 150 years ago... people still cheated, had kids out of wedlock, were often unhappy in their relationships too but simply could not get a divorce.
The reason people break up and go behind the others back is BECAUSE they don’t conpromise and respect each other enough to do that. I’m just not understanding how you don’t see this. You have it all backwards, oppressing someone is exactly what will cause breaking up and cheating etc. You make her unhappy and she’s gone, and vice versa! How is it you’re twisting it so much? I think you’re just doing it for fun now perhaps. You’ll never ever have some perfect fairytale relationahip where you never disagree, that’s just life, if you can’t accept that then you won’t survive relationships, but the key is how you manage that! And he whole point of this is that if you don’t respect each other and compromise it’s over. Yes it does take two people, that isn’t down to just one, but that’s why you pick your partner very carefully! Any healthy woman with any ounce of self esteem will not be oppressed, and neither will any man. I actually find that strong men respect strong women so it’s mutual.
@SiennaSurfer nobody is being oppressed. You might consider it oppressed and that's why i originally used that word but most women do not want to lead nor do they want to have a say over or equal to men. Most women are desperate for men to lead them and ultimately control their life decisions. So in order to respect them and please them a man needs to lead. Every girl i ever date tells me how they dreamed of a man like this but can hardly find any and how awesome it is. I hear that over and over and over.
Compromise is usually not a good idea because most important decisions are binary. Yes or no. Or a group of decisions need to be made together in order to achieve the purpose. Ie move to colorado to become a pro snow boarder but then spend money on something for wife instead of adequate passes and gear. Negates the original decision. Simply splitting the difference is usually dumb in this instance either hubby also needs the budget as well or they should just move anywhere since he won't be able to achieve the goal. Compromise leads to half assing things.
How many girls have you dated and where do you find them? Because I have never met a woman that wants a man to make all of her life decisions.
@Shutupman a lot. And all over. But lots of very very feminine women is the thing they all have in common. Im very masculine so the more feminine the more we usually get along. I choose the date and im responsible for her safety and i order for her and i decide when we leave and i make all the decisions basically. And i tell them who i am as a person and where im going in life and how i expect them to be the second in command and support me in what i do and i expect them to fulfill the role i need from a woman ie make babies and keep my home and be sweet to me. My job is everything else. Lots of girls are 110% on board. Some are not but the vast majority i date are because most feminine women want to be as feminine as possible so they jump for a man who supports their femininity.
Gotcha, well as long as the women you date are on board with your vision, it’s no one else’s business. But I’d say that the majority of women (being a woman myself and having female friends) would not be on board with it.
@Shutupman I don't know never bothered talking to non feminine women. Girls i talk to generally are either barbie girls like all done up and makeup and heels and that sort of thing but like bimbo looking OR like sun dress quiet church girl types. I've never bothered talking to any other kinds of girls because they dont interest me.
damn thats deep i for one am a guy and yes got raped by a guy as a kid and still dont trust easy and its very hard to make friends my life is hard due to a lot of what i have read
Absolutely. It's even scary that this sort of thing happens in so-called "civilized" Western countries like Europe and the USA.
There is always some group of people society needs to hate on no matter what era.
It wasn't even much about equality since the beginning. These people knew what was going on.
Family Court and an ex's allegations of domestic violence... these are directly correlated to the uptick of male suicides. Many times these men are veterans so they just throw them under veteran suicides as if it were due to their service or ptsd.
Unfortunately only few do care.
And since those issues won't be addressed anytime soon in terms of invisible social rules or laws in a greater scale it would be wise to simply adapt: stay safe, stay low profile and if needed then isolate from society. People are assholes anyway.
Find the right community and stick with it. Observe more before you do something.
Good take sir!
I had been sexually harassed by a female relative when I was a child, yet only my father took it seriously, everyone else did not even care to listen, not even law enforcement (they ignored me.)
"Patriarchy"... what nonsense, if anything, we live in a matriarchy.
Yup here in calgary Canada someone opened the only men's shelter, it was protested by feminists until it was shut down and the guy who started it hung himself in his garage, all the women trying to justify feminists, fuck I wish they only knew the damage feminism actually causes to men
ehhh you answer would be better if you say
Did feminists shut Mr earl s. shelter down? That is is technical no.
Did feminist and their loud chanting for women right "drown" him out and getting government funding for his shleter... maybe and it a big maybe.
another case of the big story.
Also, the year dude killed himself and closed his doors. a non-women victim's laws came into effect and 7 women shelters shut down as well that year.
@GraveDoll So how many bodies you need? Next one could be your husband, son or dad.
@Janncis
Im not auguring with you as I agree.
I dont have a solution to this problem that still gets swept under the rug. I work with a lot of homeless shelters and I can tell you it a mess.
But feminists do not help they are any better the ones who do much of the oppressing many of the world face. they just adding more gas to the fire.
Agree with you it’s true and seldom addressed
You must have been sent by Jesus...
Why Thankyou sweetheart ❤️
I love how all the chicks turn around and make this about them, or continue to minimize these problems
Is #5 supposed to be a crowd-pleaser? I don't get why it's on the list.
#7 is a poorly presented point. Likewise, I could say 'statistically' (whatever this means to you) people eat out more often during the day. Are you saying women should be victims in violent crimes more often to 'even things out'? The emphasis should be on the fact that there are such crimes taking place, but you decide to make this about gender. Will we counter by saying 'statistically' men are more likely involved in criminal activities compared to women, hence they are getting shot. Or perhaps, significantly more soldiers are men and are deployed in wartorn regions of the world. Why point this out in the first place?
#10 I'm assuming you don't know much, if anything, about law enforcement. "It’s well known" that the sentences depend on the severity of the crime.
Read the links.
Good advice, now do it yourself :D More likely you just googled something that might come close to the thematics and then linked them to this topic without knowing what they're saying. You might have skimmed, at best. This is evident from the first six references you posted.
In short, find better grounds to support your arguments for 'men's issues'.
You really don’t have a solid argument against, considering how you only picked 3 points to poorly argue against. it’s you who should his research better.
If you don’t read the articles then don’t bother commenting, you’re only making a fool out of yourself.
You're the one who should read the articles, it's your take, after all. Those three points are ones that stick out like a sore thumb. It's ridiculous how you point out some real issues, e. g #1 and #3, but then in the same list you stick in #5 which is insignificant and more so not something one can control unlike some other points made.
You are after quantity and care little for quality. That's what I have a problem with.
I wouldn’t have posted them if I didn’t read them.
It's funny that you believe women truly care, it's just PC lip service that they don't believe you forgot one by the way, women who scream at and belittle men for rejecting a woman who is 100lbs overweight while they reject a guy who is 10lbs overweight... and we all know about the looks double standard
i'm not even going to read other's comments. specially women because most of them think it's against women's interests to admit that all these problems are real. great take but like always discussing this topic won't change anything. how could it when the other side doesn't want to listen.
I agree with masculism (if thats a word)
And feminism but as been said if males stand up feminist will push harder if people look at it there is no way of winning. But if people start being more open minded and work to solve the 'problem' percieved by many together than we may be able to get it solved.
Feminism is on it’s downfall because more and more people continue to see that Feminism does not practice what it preaches.
Actually, in factuality, in modern terms, they never did. Feminism is about improving women's rights in a patriarchal society, therefore, because Feminists SAY that there is one, then they can technically say they are for equality, but they're not because there is no patriarchal society. Everyone is complaining that feminism has changed, but actually the problem is that feminism hasn't changed at all.
This is good. It's always being talked about with women, but it should be talked about with men too.