You say you'll change the constitution. Well, you know.. (YOU CANT)

[legalboxers]

So..You are saying that the 14th Amendment is UNCONSTITUTIONAL

https://www.salon.com/2019/08/22/trump-again-says-he-is-seriously-considering-ending-birthright-citizenship-despite-14th-amendment/
Trump again says he is "seriously" considering ending birthright citizenship despite 14th Amendment

President Donald Trump said Wednesday that he is "very seriously" considering ending the right to citizenship for children born in the U.S. to non-citizens.

"We're looking at that very seriously — birthright citizenship, where you have a baby on our land. You walk over the border, have a baby," Trump told reporters outside the White House. "Congratulations, the baby is now a U.S. citizen . . . It's frankly ridiculous."

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In a previous article: https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-says-14th-amendment-is-127077752761.html

O’Reilly said Trump’s plan would mean “federal police kicking in the doors in barrios around the country dragging families out and putting them on a bus.”

“I don’t think they have American citizenship,“ the real estate mogul and former Celebrity Apprentice host replied. “We have to start a process where we take back our country. Our country is going to hell. We have to start a process, Bill, where we take back our country.”Lets see here..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump
Trump's ancestors on his father's side came from the German village of Kallstadt in the Palatinate, and on his mother's side from the Outer Hebrides of Scotland His paternal grandfather, Frederick Trump, immigrated to the United States in 1885 at age 16 and became a citizen in 1892 He married Elisabeth Christ in 1902, and the couple settled in New York in 1905. Frederick died during the 1918 flu pandemic

You like everyone else on that ship is an immigrant.

The 14th Amendment is OLDER THAN YOU and has been in place before you or your supporters..

But hey.. look at his followers. All bowing and praying to THE CHOSEN ONE

Ok. If you can come back after 3 days like Jesus Christ did, then I will change my mind about you... until then.. NOPE

[juliaanita]

You and i both know that the mobster president is an idiot. Let's see, what has he done in the last 76 hours?
He's ordered US companies NOT to do business with China.
He's called the Fed chairman a worse enemy than China.
He caused the DOW to plunge 600 points with his chaotic tantrum of a "foreign'" policy.
He canceled his visit to Denmark because they wouldn't sell him Greenland.

And that's just in the last three days! And those are just the highlights!

And now we're letting him go to Europe to represent the United States at the G7?

Buckle your seatbelts, Americans. The civilized world already laughs at us. But This mobster iintends to crash our economy into the hillside and watch it burn while he continues to tweet stupid things from his porcelain throne.

[juliaanita]

thanks for the mho!!

[juliaanita]

@Nathaniel0w0 how?

[juliaanita]

@Guffrus why exactly is a mobster president the best we have ever had?

[juliaanita]

@Guffrus you mean the words you wrote below? All of the words you used, and you didn't say anything of import.
you can't answer the question, can you.

[juliaanita]

@Guffrus ditto

[Justme12]

@ztriple3 if you used a little common sense you would have noticed that every president other then Trump, got into office with a much lower net worth then what they left with. All of their net worth has been much higher then what fits their salary, except Trump, who not only gives his salary to United States but his companies have lost money. The reason why is because he's doing what's right for the country and not himself. Stop letting your TV tell you what to think or how to think, and try thinking for yourself.

[juliaanita]

@Guffrus learn how to make a cogent argument with meat on it than name calling and saying "oh he just the best..."
otherwise all you deserve is a ditto.

[juliaanita]

@Guffrus hard to construct a good argument huh?
bummer.
"Name calling is the last refuge of those who cannot logically disprove an opposing point of view"

[juliaanita]

@Guffrus oh blah blah blah. I kinda turned your crank didn't I.
People like you are such snowflakes.

[juliaanita]

@Guffrus ditto :)

[juliaanita]

@Guffrus geez-listen-really-i really see no cogent argument in anything you stated. I'll be glad to start over an have a political conversation with you and give you another chance to explain yourself. I'll be civil if you be civil and not use misogynist epithets.

[juliaanita]

@Guffrus well, let me know... otherwise bye for now.

[juliaanita]

@Guffrus typical snowflake answer.
or a bot?
Either way, i've learned not to waste too many words on a dolt.

[Bavhroul]

@Guffrus arrogance and disrespect are not the tactics of a logical mind.

[legalboxers]

Guffrus.. You are a true trump cuck. You can't handle when someone proves you wrong, so what does little boys like you do, call names and belittle. Are you a proud cuck? wear that "Im a Fox News Cuck" shirt so well?

[GoodGuyBreakingBad]

Trump won't change nothing just headed for more bankruptcies when he leaves office
or hire more crooks to join his Administration.

[GoodGuyBreakingBad]

Thank You For Most Helpful Guy :)

[pizzalovershouse]

thanks for likes an I liked your comments to you always make it clear your opion on the post

[GoodGuyBreakingBad]

@pizzalovershouse Thank You and You're Welcome :)

[pizzalovershouse]

if we looked into his side deals well in office we would find reasons for all yo want him impeached

[pizzalovershouse]

mh thanks

[TenPoundTabby]

The 14th amendment is not about illegal immigrants, obviously. It was passed during Reconstruction to clarify the citizenship of newly-freed slaves. Trump is right, for once. Anchor babies and chain immigration must end, if the US is going to have any hope of being a nation of laws.

If you want to come to America, come in through the front door and follow the laws, just like you would do for any other country in the world. There's no reason to treat this country as any different.

You don't illegally cross the border, pop out a baby, and then expect to have the same rights as everyone else. That's selfish. That's exploitative. And that's wrong.

Removing illegals from the US is a completely different issue.

Every nation in the world has laws. If you don't like them, don't try to move there. If you exploit laws meant for citizens for yourself, you will be disliked for being a selfish turd.

This is all pretty simple.

Nobody has more rights to whatever benefits or policies of a nation than its citizens.

[BobSansMal]

I think the argument against birthright citizenship rests upon the idea that "illegal aliens" could be considered, under some tortured legalistic reading of this amendment, be considered non-subjects of the US and therefore this might not apply to them.
I think that's a bullshit argument, but if you don't like birthright citizenship (and we're one of on a very few countries who have this concept) then you reach for whatever argument you can muster, throw it against the wall and maybe it sticks...

[HungLikeAHorsefly]

He talks like he has the power to change the Constitution, but in all fairness he does have the Bully Pulpit and past presidents have certainly talked a lot of big talk about similar changes to the Constitution.

In reality, it's an uphill battle for him. He'll have to figure out how to get people who don't agree with him to do something - a task he's woefully unprepared for. Up until now, all of his success (what little he's had) has been due to the fact that his party supports him and had complete control over Congress.

For this, he'll need to win over both houses of Congress AND 75% of 38 states. That's a tall order for a guy with just barely mediocre persuasion skills.

[HungLikeAHorsefly]

Oops, not 75% of 38 states. Should be "75% of the states (38 of them)"

[abadaba]

It does say that the rights shouldn't be infringed without due process, while I do think that once you are born here you technically are an American, however you don't have the American culture in you.
I have said this before in debates "this country is like a club that everyone wants to get into, and they will lie, cheat, steal, blackmail, and throw a pity party for as long as we appease them. Everyone wants to get into the club with all the benefits without having to do the right steps. Frankly, using children to gain access to somewhere is pretty despicable in my eyes."

[Andrew0478]

Legally speaking maybe, but laws only mean things depending on how they're interpreted. E. g.. The 2nd amendment, says nothing about "right to bear arms" it says that there should be a well trained and well regulated militia (like in Switzerland)
And yet the entire US unspokenly agreed to pretend that it talks about right to buy guns and ignore the "regulated militia" part.
Everyone can read the second amendment, and yet everyone assumes a completely unrelated meaning of it based on current American culture.

Laws only exist as long as there are people who believe in them and enforce them.

Your constitution isn't law of nature. It's a vague set of guidelines.

In theory you are right. In practice it's not hard to mold the rules into whatever the government likes.

[HungLikeAHorsefly]

Here's the text of the Second Amendment:
"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

It explicitly and quite literally states people have the right to bear arms. Even if it were vague (which it isn't), it's not up to J-random people to interpret what this means; that's why we have the Supreme Court.

[Andrew0478]

It It literally says that the guns are meant to be part of a militia (Switzerland system)

It talks about a well regulated militia.
Yes, there is the supreme court, but again, it is ignoring the militia part for 200 years now (the first and defining part of the sentence that explicitly states the purpose of the amendment)
It is ignored because for an offensive war it is impractical.

The literal explicit meaning is that people should own guns and be part of an organized militia.

It is not vague. It, in no uncertain terms, says that there should be a regulated citizen army, for which there should be guns. That isn't even close to the modern interpretation, which is entirely based in modern culture.
(Cause for a while it was taken literally, and there was a regulated militia army)

The modern NRA interpretation has nothing to do with the text or the original meaning.

[HungLikeAHorsefly]

Oh I agree with that interpretation. I was just reacting to the fact that it does actually say we have the right to bear arms.

[Lucy_Iskuss]

I’m very anti trump but yes you can change the constitution with amendments. That’s how prohibition was implemented then revoked.

[slatyb]

The Constitution is the law only as long as people in power support it and are willing to enforce the laws passed by Congress and the rulings of the Supreme Court. If a significant minority of the military or law enforcement officers decided that the Court or Congress was illegitimate and didn't have to be obeyed, then we would have civil war. Fortunately a large majority of the US population still respects true rule of law.

[genericname85]

well you can change the constitution but a moron like trump wouldn't be abloe to go through the diplomaty needed to do that. he's a sole game. he can't work together with people who disagree with him. he wants to boss people around and this is why he can't do that.
he is still by far the worst president in the history of presidency (not just American history but history of presidents in general).

[DWornock]

The constitution is not worth the paper it's written on. In spite of what the lying courts say, it is not law because there is no means of enforcement or penalty for violating it by those in positions of authority. It is no more valid than a law against bank robbery would be that had no penalty for bank robbery or means of enforcing it.

[QuietRunner]

The most important part is "subject to the jurisdiction thereof". That means you are subject to the laws of the United States of America. It is a Boolean condition, the "and" is there for two conditions. It isn't "or" logic in the Amendment. It is also originally for the slaves to ensure they were citizens. Remember the social context of the time it was written.

The Born or Naturalized must be subject to the USA's laws, not another's country.

[Nileviewboy]

You can change a constitution... lost count of how many times America has done it.

there are at least 5 amendments... its been amended and changed a lot.

[loveslongnails]

If he wasn't the POTUS, I could roll on the floor laughing at every word because he's so pathetic. But it's rude to laugh at the mentally handicapped, and he has NPD which is a real condition. He needs to be gone yesterday.

[Who_is_Q]

You went on that whole tangent to learn this: He didn't mean it. It's called optics. Meant to confuse or mislead his opponents. People really need to chill out

[markscott]

Trump aches to be a dictator. He's jealous of people like Putin and Kim Jong Un.

[Deathraider]

You could technically change the constitution (like the 18th amendment), but you would have to be nuts to think you could get enough people in Congress to agree.

[CassMi]

Why does Trump always look constipated in photos? I mean the main image for this post he looks like he's breaking wind or something... He needs to get that looked at because that's not good for you.

[Twalli]

The Constitution can be changed. That's what happened with prohibition. Alcohol was made illegal and then that was repealed in another amendment.

[FrenchyRomain]

you are aware that the American constitution has been changed 27 times right? xD so yeah it CAN be changed

[bolverk]

You do realise that he's saying that to wind up the Democrats and they have no option to respond.

[justaguyhere123]

The amendments can be changed. However, the mere thought of changing the 14th granting automatic citizenship to a child born in the United States is, well there is no other way to say it, UNAMERICAN.