Body positivity should apply to men just as much as women, if it is to be taken serious!

[Robertcw]

I was watching this video on postfeminism:

And one of the criticisms leveled against it was that women with higher body fat %'s and working class women were excluded from the movement. I was curious about post feminism since it was an alternative to feminism but ultimately I agree that it is not sufficient for the reasons cited in the video.

Which had me thinking, if the goal of third wave feminism is sexual choice for these girls then why don't they apply that same philosophy and match with skinny, short poor men on hookup apps?

That's exactly what I find offensive about feminism. It's inherently selfish because it only cares for one gender. Worry about whether or not your fellow poor or sorta-fat women are having sexual choice, but make sure poor, short skinny or fat men don't have sexual choice.

And what rational is there for this stance?

Overall, I do not support a double standard like that. I don't think it's cool.

I do not believe women belong in the kitchen, nor do I believe they can't be good providers or be really smart and have really great careers. But I find it wrong and annoying that they want things for themselves that they are not willing to give to others.

Sorry if my feminism takes are aggravating people, I just feel like speaking my mind.

[genericname85]

women still struggle with reality. if you're ugly you won't make it far in professions that depend on physical beauty and you'll have a harder time even in professions where that shouldn't matter.

it has nothing to do with being negative about ugly people. it's just how humans work. it's like if you were born without legs, you won't win a marathon no matter how entiteled you feel about that.

body positivity is bullshit in my opinion. if you're a fat landwhale, you should be shamed and you should feel ashamed. that doesn't mean you failed as a human being overall and aren't worth anything. that just means you're fat and you should change that asap. also if you're told that you're ugly by many people, that doesn't mean they hate you. that just means that you are probably not that pretty. that goes equally for both genders. stop ignoring the real world to feel warm and fuzzy inside. take a good look at reality so that you can structure your life in a way where the things that are not good about you don't have such a negative overall impact.

[Rob171977]

Lmfao good luck getting the feminazis to see it that way. They NEVER will. Society is so gender biased it sickens me at times. Like this example you gave with body positivity. You realize if a guy started whining and crying about his body almost every guy and literally every woman would tell him to suck it up be a man and hit the gym. But NO woman or man ever says that shit to a fat chick and do you know why because society partically SJW PC libtard assholes cater to the fat slob chicks and bash men every chance they get. That's the fucked up part about our society how PC SJW libtarded it became. And if someone ever did tell a fat chick to hit the gym and to suck it up like they do a man EVERY SJW PC Libtard under the sun on this god forsaken planet would be up that person's ass bashing him repeatedly all day and night for the rest of his days for being gender EQUAL which the feminazi's utterly despise

[Anonymous]

"Body positivity should apply to men just as much as women" sure, I agree but why does feminism have to fight for that? if you and other men care about male body positivity then all of you should simply do something about it. do you also expect peta and greenpeace to fight for your rights? or the lgbt community? lol don't be lazy. women made feminism to help ourselves, If you want to change something then DO something instead of complaining
feminism means "the state of being feminine" and sense of "advocacy of women's rights" women, not men, we're not against men we just fight for ourselves

[Ellie-V]

Ah yes. Some common sense ☺️

[morrowlow]

but i thought feminism was about equality for men and women but here you say feminism is "the state of being feminine" and sense of "advocacy of women's rights". it seems like the definition of feminism keeps changing to benefit women. plus feminists have always defended feminism by saying "it's not just for us, it benefits men too." but i can appreciate your selfish honesty. it's better than being a hypocrite

[Opinion Owner]

@morrowlow equality as in giving women equal rights as men and that's been done in my opinion. I googled the definition, copied and pasted, feminism is still about women and the etymology of the word says so
"it's not just for us, it benefits men too" I don't say that but I do think a lot of things feminism accomplished benefits both genders, here are some examples
👉 women's integration in the workforce after wwII translated into massive macroeconomic gains
👉research shows that men who share domestic tasks with their wives report being happier and have more sex
👉as gender discrimination became a popular topic of discussion in the 1970s the supreme court ruled it was unconstitutional to treat women and men differently under the law
👉not all men could request dependent care deductions although tax deductions were given to women, two lawyers using the 14th amendment ended the enshrinement of gender discrimination into law
👉the sexual revolution affected women as well as men: It gave women the ability to pursue sexual activities much more freely, meaning more sex for men
👉feminism triggered the FBI to change the definition of rape to include men
👉ending the discriminatory policy of banning women from combat roles in the military benefitted their male soldiers as well
👉thanks to feminist activism, paternity leave exists
👉feminism challenged the commonly held notion that patients with gay men were to blame for AIDS, shattering the stereotypes
... and the list goes on, it's all over the internet
feminism DID things for men even though it's about women but there's no obligation to advocate for your rights, if you feel like something has to change then DO something (ranting online to try and trigger feminists doesn't count)

[morrowlow]

"equality as in giving women equal rights as men and that's been done in my opinion"
but what about the rights of women that men don't have. laws may have been written gender neutrally but they're practiced in a totally gender specific manner. and all the points you made do not impress me. you can find them in any feminist website. read them and see if they're real or if they really benefit men. how does letting women into combat roles benefit male soldiers? Lmao. do the female soldiers wake up in the morning and make everyone breakfast? because that's the only way they can help male soldiers. and i didn't write this to trigger you. i don't like conflict but i have to say something when someone is being absolutely wrong

[Opinion Owner]

@morrowlow "how does letting women into combat roles benefit male soldiers? Lmao. do the female soldiers wake up in the morning and make everyone breakfast? because that's the only way they can help male soldiers" that's degrading, you're answering like a bitter asshole, but since it's not obvious to you I'll explain in simple words: less men die, you idiot
"but what about the rights of women that men don't have" like paternity leave women fought for and now men have? why do we have to get men rights when it's men who refused to give them to us in the first place? nevermind, women still advocate for aholes like you
what have you done for your own gender? "laws may have been written gender neutrally but they're practiced in a totally gender specific manner" are you doing something about it? or simply ranting about women? do you want feminists to fight for your rights and also make you a sandwich? do you want us to wipe your butt too?

[morrowlow]

1. if feminists want less men to die they'd better advocate for no war at all. my point is what does a soldier's femininity add to combat capabilities of an army? nothing. it even reduces that army's effectiveness.
2. you must be really slow to think that paternity leave benefits men. if men don't take paternity leave what would happen to them? they'll have to work at their office or whatever. but what happens if a man takes paternity leave? he'll have to work at his house running around doing errands for his wife. so who is actually benefiting from the man's paternal leave here?
3. if you think women have been demanding their rights and men have refused that all these years you better do some more reading. you may find information that debunks this feminist nonsense.
4. so if men decide to fight for their own rights you as a feminist would be okay with that? because feminist sure never persecute MRAs for speaking up for men and their rights. and any man who speaks up whenever feminists insult men is surely never booed and called misogynist.
5. i'll take the sandwich thank you. my mother made me breakfast for so many years and i appreciated it every time and when she was sick i made her breakfast. those women who are not outraged by the idea of preparing food for men know things that you will never understand.

[Rob171977]

God you're such a fucking hypocrite. The whole point of feminism was for equality of both genders and yet here you are blantantly doing the opposite of what feminism strives for EQUALITY of both genders. Which was the exact reason feminism was created in the first place to fight inequality. And by you promoting ineuqality you're doing the exact opposite of what the first feminists and the feminism movement is all about. Being the same type of person feminists fight so hard against.

[Rob171977]

@Ellie-V You would agree with the hypocrite in her response

[Opinion Owner]

@Rob171977 and where am I promoting inequality? go read a thread on "why do I need feminism". It's about us having the same rights -in every aspect- as you, that is equality. That's not just the pay gap you all say it's a myth (which actually exists but not in big companies where studies are performed but in places like the factory I work in) it's about being able to walk in the dark without the fear of being raped, about choosing a job/career without some asshole telling you that's not for women, etc. Whilst you got cars and toys as a kid I got broomsticks and plastic babies, I was supposed to get used to it because that would be my life. I was supposed to be submissive, my family kept telling me that I wouldn't marry. Why the fuck would I want that? To be someone's cook and maid? No, I want the right to choose what I want to do with my life and I want the same rights and treatment as any men because in the eyes of the law and mine we're equal.
If you want to advocate for more rights for men do something instead of hating on feminism and calling me a hypocrite.

[Rob171977]

You are a hypocrite. When do you ever see a woman in the front lines of the military or carrying a 180lb man on their backs to a helicopter after he's been shot. When do you ever see a woman working a coal mine or fixing a railroad track? When do you ever see a woman working a 100ft skyscrapper welding steel beams at that height? What your version of equal pay is, is sitting on your ass in a nice cozy desk job while playing office politics and kissing as much corporate or boss ass as you possibly can and spread as much gossip as you can and do the least amount of work as possible. Let me tell you speaking as my own boss and entreupenuer who has his own business for years now it is EXTREMELY frustrating and irritating dealing with women at the work place ESPECIALLY women at call center and desk jobs even as receptionists it's extremely FRUSTRATING to deal with because of the amount of stupidity and lack of common sense that runs rampant when dealing with women. They either read from a script and not listen to what is being asked of them or they act like complete dimwitted airheads that can't do as they're told by either the customer or by the boss. As far as getting raped in dark places is concerned here's a BIG news flash for you, MEN are more likely to be killed stabbed shot or wounded or beaten up in dark places than a woman is to be raped because if something happens to a woman they'll always be some white knight around to protect her ass whereas if a guy is getting the shit beat out of him by another guy NO other guy is going to stick their necks out for him to help protect him or save him. So tough shit on your little feminazi crap with inequality because lets face it that's all your spewing on here is inequality crap

[Opinion Owner]

@Rob171977 First, I've never been on the frontline and never will, I'd rather be in jail than be sent to kill people to make someone rich.
Regarding those jobs you mentioned where no woman works is because they wouldn't hire a woman, not even if said woman was as strong and capable as any other men on the field. Feminists don't fight for that because they don't care about those jobs, now most people pursue a career.
Wrong, I don't work in a cozy office kissing ass or whatever. It's a steel factory, I work with computers: I do the job two men used to do, work less hours and get paid less. Sometimes I even operate heavy machines, so no cozy office, I work and I want to earn at least the same as those men earn. 40 other men work in that factory and only 3 women, myself included, guess who gossips here? The men. They are also nasty and leave a trail of trash and cigarettes butts wherever they walk, so we both have things to complain about working with the opposite gender.
About the men you call white knights I've never met one of them, actually here they get hurt mostly for engaging in fights and resisting a robbery while I was taught not to resist because I don't have a chance against a men. Men take that chance.
my feminazi shit? lmfao you really hate women don't you?

[dman2796]

Feminism is supposed to be about fighting for the equality of all.

[Rob171977]

@dman2796 That will never happen you and I and the rest of the world knows that already. Let these feminazis try pulling this same crap in Iran or Saudi Arabia they would either be stoned to death or sentenced to death or god knows what then they would have a much humbler opinion and lifestyle than they have here and not be such shallow coldhearted c*nts

[Opinion Owner]

@Rob171977 women stoned to death, another reason why we need feminism, someday your kind (misogynistic men) will not exist and men and women will be truly equal

[floatingboats]

I actually stand on the side of the opinion owner, it is your own duty to live life how you want it and at the time women needed feminism so they could rise to live however they wanted. You do not have the right to force anyone to defend your rights. And personally I'd rather defend myself then have someone else do it for me. I also think feminism is no longer needed, it's done its job. It's too easy to grab just a little more power each year says checks and balances.

But I have to give rob171977 some props because feminism can only really actually exist in an absolutely free society. Try taking these practice to those countries and even the women will throw stones. Though I think that is more freedom of speech than holding anyone down, even though it holds women down terribly harsh. Feminism will do nothing for those countries, they have bigger issues.

[Opinion Owner]

@floatingboats The feminist movement is rising in the middle east (or so I've read), some radical feminists -what I call feminazis- were arrested if I'm not mistaken. Also there's a "trend" of taking selfies without the hijab, I believe there's a punishment for not obeying and some women risk that to show how much they want to be free. Some other women are happy with their traditions. Both should be able to choose how to live their lives but it's a slow process :(

[floatingboats]

I have seen those movements, they are brave people, I am not sure how much progress they make though as the public is censored in those countries and the protestors are jailed. I too believe they should have the power to choose, but in a censored society I'm uncertain who is really making that choice. I believe heavily in the freedom of speech by the way. This does make progress slow :(

[floatingboats]

You can pm me and I can talk about this for hi hours. I love seeing people's opinions

[morrowlow]

@floatingboats you seriously don't know what your talking about and i don't blame you because you do not live in that country where women take selfies without hijab. if only you were here and you could see these lunatics you wouldn't call them brave anymore

[Rob171977]

The fact that you think I'm a "misogynistic" I take that as a compliment

[floatingboats]

@morrowlow I dont live there, but also dont think my thoughts are limited to what I write down. As someone who lives there or has or has experience or something. What have you seen? So we know first hand. I call them brave because they do those things, I should use the word stupid instead. I know they are out of their minds. I would never think about visiting those countries. I like my scalp and my teeth. I absolutely agree with you. We have lunacy here too, it's just they aren't killed here, so society calls them brave, society is so spoiled here. I agree with a lot of the commenters actually, partially. But I have my own interpretation of it all. I dont believe in generalizing groups of people but statics and data are proof of cultural attitudes or tendencies. I dont believe annihilating a type of person will solve anything, I also believe sometimes the best defence is offense. I dont think rob is a misogynist. They just dont agree. I also think his use of phrasing is totally his right. I'm not definding myself or anything but those are my thoughts and I absolutely thrive off of hearing yalls comments and the opinions of others. It gives you the chance to see why people think the way they do, the more you hear and learn the less bias you are able to be, or you could totally become one side of you aren't smart about it or get attached

[Robertcw]

Ehh I disagree with this. Other men are too negative to be willing to do something like this.

[Robertcw]

Also, I believe that a movement like feminism shouldn't actually be gendered, as the third wave feminists have already stated. Nor should there be any expectation that anyone has a gender beyond the personality thet were born with based on genetics.

[morrowlow]

@floatingboats did you hear about the iranian girl who set herself on fire because she wasn't allowed to enter a stadium? everyone missed a part of that story. it's against the law for women to enter stadiums and when this woman clearly broke the law they let her go without any punishment. you're right you'll lose your scalp if you come hear because you're a man and this country clearly doesn't like men. women break these laws that have been set against them everyday and no one cares and authorities don't punish them. go to any wealthy area in the capital of iran and see women walk around freely without any head cover. but you don't see that down town because it's cultural working class women have different values and ideas but the state doesn't really care what these women do. this is the same country that hangs male so called felons every day. and you people call these women brave when they're risking nothing. i take offence when someone says women need feminism in middle east because you imply that we, middle eastern men are oppressive while you're blind to the suffering of men here. a lot of iranian men these days support women's rights because they don't know yet that women's rights mean the further castration of men and men here are already disadvantaged compared to women. do you understand why i don't want this kind of toxic ideology to exist in my country? here in iran all the good jobs are given to women. most college graduates are women and they have the right to do everything and own everything much like western countries. so you wonder what are they bitching about? the problem is that middle eastern people are fascinated by western cultures especially American culture and their lifestyle so they try to copy everything that Americans do. like many muslim iranians now celebrate Christmas. isn't that funny? but to be completely steeped in American lifestyle you should also add things like feminism to your culture. so i want to thank western men.

[floatingboats]

I was completely unaware of all that. Our media completely over looks everything that is not a story they wish to push. We actually need people like you to inform the rest of the world. There's nothing I can do about that situation but I can acknowledge the happening you tell me about

[morrowlow]

@floatingboats i know. our media does the same thing and tells us lies about Americans. i don't think there's anything anyone can do. you see men in US who don't care about men's issues. those things just don't occur to them. we have the same problem here and if any us ever speak up it's usually the other men who call us misogynist even before women do

[LeeKenz]

First, feminism WAS originally about wanting equality for all genders, for everyone for that matter.

Second, speaking your mind is perfect.

Thirdly, it's this third wave shit that's making everything get fucked

[Robertcw]

Somehow I feel like feminism was hijacked in the 2009 -2012 years by ghetto culture, which then introduced the fourth wave feminism that we sometimes see today. With the rise of Cardi B, Hip-Hop and the Kardashians.

Interestingly, ghetto culture is inherently more hierarchical and therefore actually more conservative and less accepting and open minded than the first, second and third wave feminism that came before it. Intereatibg enough, based on what I have read, third wave was actually founded by the punk rock scene and emphasized things like body positivity, non gender binaryness and the non-existence of universals. Which is a technical philsophocal term that refers to metaphysical existence of generalizations. They argue that everything is subjective in one way or another, and therefore not all women can be considered similar to each other. Nor does there need to be general statements accross genders. And that sort of thing. But around the 2009-2012 era a lot of that was rolled back and undone. Looks became a matter of importance and judgment.

Tinder became central to fourth wave feminism. And, essentially, heriarchies based on looks and whether or not one conformed to expected hip-hop cultural norms were enforced and used as judgments to rank people's worth.

[MlleCake]

Oh, everyone deserves body positivity. Absolutely. I totally agree.

[June871]

no we dont. we need good parenting. that's all. good parenting is all you need for self confidence.

[MlleCake]

It's a component of good parenting.

[CubsterShura]

"That's exactly what I find offensive about feminism. It's inherently selfish because it only cares for one gender. Worry about whether or not your fellow poor or sorta-fat women are having sexual choice, but make sure poor, short skinny or fat men don't have sexual choice." Uh but the feminist pages I follow on social media and the feminist friend that I have including myself all support body positivity for everyone including men? Even saw arts and illustrations of plus size men and skinny men on the topic of how they are also worthy of love and don't have to follow societal norms. So uh your whole myTake is based on a lie. If you wanna criticize feminism at least find something real that feminists truly believe in.

[CubsterShura]

Feminist friends*

[Robertcw]

I think there are disagreements among feminists.

[youlovelia]

I think there's a lot to agree with and a bit to disagree with.

First off, I agree with what you are saying about this hi-jacked form of feminism but you use the wrong words.
That is not actual feminism nor is the current body positive movement. Feminism was originally created because it is not against men, but it's for women. You cannot argue that most professions are all incredibly male-dominated as well as leadership positions in the US are predominantly over 90-95% caucasian males. Originally it was supposed to raise women to understand that they don't have to fulfill certain roles and expectations in life to be considered feminine.

Men have sexual choice as do women. Just because feminism explicitly states that women of all shapes are worthy of relationships and sexual partners doesn't mean that it explicitly says men cannot also feel self-love. If you take it that way without someone literally saying "Women of all shapes and finance should be loved but it's not the same for men", then you are just being hateful of a social justice because you aren't included.

In reality, body positivity is INCLUDED in feminism, but ins't exclusive. Body positivity is actually for everyone, but because of society's views on what a "masculine" man should behave like, body positivity usually doesn't include men.

I understand that the social justice seems unfair to you but also understand that form of feminism is absolute garbage and is not at all what it's really about.

[shanibabyyy]

I believe that everyone needs to feel positive about their body and how they look.

Nowadays all the focus has gone to women and all that about feminism, which isn't a bad thing, but we are doing exactly what we are necessarily against.

We say we want equality and that us women can do what men do, which isn't a problem but we should also expand this equality with sexuality and body positivity.

There are men that struggle with their image and are not always given that support that they need because they feel like its only for women and girls.

[Dali-chan]

I don’t care about body positivity. I workout and eat healthy to stay hot and wear attractive cloths. If a woman or a man want to stay fat then it’s his own problèmes. It’s a real bunch of nonsense if a fat woman who eat burritos even as a breakfast expect to have the same privileges as a hot thin woman who workout and avoid junk food. It’s as delusional as a broke guy who expect to have women over him as much as a rich attractive guy, just because he have his iNeR bEaUtY

[Robertcw]

This is exactly what I disagree with, and oppose.

[Robertcw]

The reason I disagree is because I believe beauty is subjective. And therefore since nothing is objectively hot it does not make sense to push one particular look as hot and another as ugly or not hot.

[Robertcw]

Current standards that tou subscribe to largly depend on your culture, and the media you consume.

[Robertcw]

And that's not even including the biologocal science of pheramones, genetic diversity and compatibility of immune systems, which differ for each individual person.

[CubsterShura]

The real nonsense here is you believing that you working out and being hotter than others somehow makes you more entitled to or deserving of better treatment than others.

[Dali-chan]

@CubsterShura ofc having a fit body and being better looking you, makes your life better. I don’t know which kind of bubbly world you’re living in if you believe that peoples give a shit about your inner beauty when they meet you.

[Dali-chan]

You won’t be special just because you’re nice. Up your game if you want the best in life

[CubsterShura]

"I don’t know which kind of bubbly world you’re living in if you believe that peoples give a shit about your inner beauty when they meet you." Exactly! Most people don't give a shit about my inner beauty! So why even bother to impress them when I can just express myself and find the few people who truly value me for who I am instead of a bunch of fake mortals? People are mere mortals, they die and their standards die, I will too, I also have this life only once. So might as well just spend it valuing myself instead of what others think of me... Especially not those who don't even give a shit about my inner beauty to begin with!!

Also, you won't be special by just being fit and hot either. I'm one of the fittest girls among my peers, also one of the most well-dressed, never felt like it makes me better or worse than anyone else. Never felt like I'm entitled to shit in life. No one is.

[Dali-chan]

Well as a med student I can say that being pretty and fit plus studying to be a doctor made me entitled to get the best partner I can get. I’m not a bitch, but I am not ashamed to use my look to get what I want. Don’t see anything wrong with that. It’s just piss me off to see fat girls who are lazy and ugly Expecting peoples to love them just because they are nice

[Neeceeb7]

I think we should promote body posity for everyone. but I dont think you should pressure people to being attracted to anything other then what they want. if people overall did not judge people on let's say body fat percent then I think more people would be open to tak ih n a look at other shapes and sizes naturally. but I wouldn't want someone to want to date me because they felt it would promote social beliefs. i just think people should be genuinely attracted to others for both inside and outside qualities.

[floatingboats]

No one should take offense to any opinion. You can just not read or listen. Having to walk on egg shells annoys me the most, but I digress. Its amazing how many times I've been "informed" of my own evils just for being a white male, no other facts are know by these people, and yet they support such nonsense. People actually listening to product placement because they just aren't informed, they listen most to a movement to harms their so called ideals to the core. This is why feminism is dying, its becoming toxic and hateful. They are unwilling to learn how to spread their cause and just want to make people mad. They're no better than internet trolls. I totally agree with the app for left out men and women, they probably would have so much to talk about, actually having personalities and all

[emmily2396]

Yes, that should be for everyone, but when it comes to things that we can't change or don't affect pur health. For example, we shouldn't encourage people to be too fat or too skinny, to skip taking showers or grooming their naild and hair.(we shouldn't force them to cut them down either, just to promote certain limits. I don't think many people find very long nails as appealing for example).
Other than that we should be more accepting of oher people's looks. I am tired of seeing men coming to women's social media and conplaining their boobs/ass are too small or other stuff like that. It probably happens to some men too. If you don't have something useful to say just shut up. Those people you are criticizing are not on this planet to please you and you are likely not perfect either.

[Randomawkwardness]

First of all, why would they? If they're not attracted to someone then they're not going to hookup with them. As much as I think shawn mendes is hot, I know he wouldn't hook up with me. Men do have a choice and actively use it. The only reason short, skinny or fat men don't get girls is because they're not usually confident and usually do the 'you're too good for me' type of whining - just like some woman who do the same.

[MrHealthyHabits]

If women want to preach body positivity, who am I to try to stop them... Same for men...

That being said there is just something that's feminine about the concept of body positivity for men...

I mean, I can tell another guy working hard in the gym who's still got a long way to go that's he's got a decent set of guns without it having to be this whole body positive thing...

Everyone should be kind to one another because that's what decent people do... The concept of body positivity, feels like a movement of people trying to bully others into praise of some sort

[hahahmm]

The problem with feminists is that they want the privilege of being treated like men without any of the responsibilities & expect men to value her, someone who has slept with 100-200 men & has poor relationship skills the same as men value women with < 3 partners & attractive personalities.

[Izumiblu]

I honestly think any kind of “movement “ whose motivation is sexual choice is a really stupid movement not worth much consideration.

[MissDawn7961]

thank you for your post here ! I am small and can not do things that a man can do like lifting heavy objects and such ! however if a man can do it then he should and be paid for it too ! if a woman can do the same job as a man then she should get the same money for it as he did

[elite665]

True but men and women will never be equal not truly women always get benefits over men maybe not
In certain job pay but in other aspects of life so 5% less is not worth freaking out over

[monkeynutts]

Everything is baby steps if you want to lift 50kg, first you have to lift 5kg, if you can't even lift 10, women think they are weak because they can't do regular pushups, they can but they are not willing to put the effort in to work their bodies to be able.

[Ellie-V]

I know a lot of women who are into either shinny or overweight men. Shit, I’m one of them 😂 so honestly, I don’t know what you’re talking about. This concept that feminist don’t want skinny/fat guys to have sexual choice is completely foreign to me.

[LogicBomber]

Women can openly shame and attack men for being fat (and skinny)
Saying “ewww you fat pig” isn’t uncommon for women to say to fat men.

[Ellie-V]

I really don’t see that happening unless the dude is like 800 pounds and damn near immobile 😂
But, Yeah... like it’s also not uncommon for men to openly shame and attack women for how they look. What’s your point? 😂

Other groups of women will go out of their way to protect that one girl who is being criticized WAYYY more quickly than men will for each other.

That’s not an issue of a double standard.
This is about solidarity and unity within each gender individually. If more men went to bat for one another, I really don’t think we’d be having this conversation right now 😂

[LogicBomber]

My point is that women can OPENLY do the shaming, a man who does it will be attacked. As you said, women will go out of their way to "protect" a girl. The hive mind is strong.
It is a double standard. Society is ok with men being shamed it isn't ok with women being shamed, which is why we have megaton models and people losing their jobs because they criticize a female, but those same people are ok with shaming fat men in society and the media.

[Ellie-V]

Anyone can openly shame anybody 😂 what do you mean? There are so many guys calling women land whales as loudly as they can. Some face backlash from women, some don’t.
If a woman wants to trash a guy publicly... WHY AREN’T MEN TAKING UP FOR EACH OTHER?
Why are men not changing the narrative for themselves? God damn, if a women’s rights group can do it, a men’s rights group should be able to do the same.
You’re mad at women sticking up for women but the issue is that men aren’t taking any notes 😂 if there’s imbalance and injustice on your end... fix it. Feminism fights for women.
Where are the men not fighting for each other? Hmm?

[LogicBomber]

Female shaming = Backlash
www.cbc.ca/.../...for-using-the-word-fat-1.3524015
www.thesun.co.uk/.../
www.etonline.com/khloe-kardashian-gets-backlash-for-calling-jordyn-woods-and-tristan-thompson-fat-aholes-127914
www.BBC.com/news/entertainment-arts-44900024
www.foxnews.com/.../fashion-companys-fat-shaming-sweatshirt-sparks-instant-backlash
www.glamour.com/.../lucy-hale-responds-to-backlash-over-calling-herself-fat-on-instagram
So women can't even call themselves fat FFS. Why can't women handle basic negatives without becoming absolute children? Especially when it isn't even about them!

Find me ONE example of someone getting raked over the coals for doing this to men.

[Ellie-V]

I’m not going to read or watch any of those. Nothing against you. When anyone links me anything, I usually don’t engage.

But anyway, you still seem to miss my point that men should but almost never take up for each other like women do. And if they did, they wouldn’t feel the way they do.

[LogicBomber]

Not surprised. Most females hate being proven wrong.
The links show that SOCIETY (not men) will destroy a person calling a female fat... but ignores, thinks it's funny, etc when it's a man.

I didn't miss your point. It's just not the case.

[Ellie-V]

I love being proven wrong. It’s called learning.

Society is made up of men and women. So again, your issue should be with men not having each other’s backs.

[LogicBomber]

Sure whatever lady. Deflection seems to work for you.
Nothing is women's fault or responsibility, ever.
You are part of the problem.
We are done here.

[roflgun]

Fuck body positivity. Work out and stay in shape. No one should be expected to lie to spare your feelings. Don’t be a moron trying to stop people’s freedom of speech and expression just because you’re a miserable fat ass who’d rather feel sorry for themselves than know the honest truth. Because no ones gonna cater to your needs snowflake. No one’s gonna sugarcoat shit.

[shanibabyyy]

Yes that is true but you get people that are not able to lose that weight because of medical conditions or because diseases they are born with so not everyone is able to just go with out and have the body they want

[Nobodyx]

I don't think body positivity is only about fat people.
As a girl you could also be insecure avout having no boobs, or too much boobs, no hips, no waist whatever..
It just fucking hard to love your body sometimes, even harder ehen you can't change it.

[shanibabyyy]

I totally agree with that so body positivity is something that people need to think about

[roflgun]

@Nobodyx Yes, but nowadays the whole “body positivity” and “fat acceptance movement” is turning into something completely absurd. Fat feminazis keep shoving the movement down everyone’s throats and expect us to be completely delusional and say “fat is curvy” when really, it’s unhealthy and can lead to a host of diseases. That should never be promoted.

[Nobodyx]

Yeah. I don't think we should stimulate morbidly obese people.
I see that happen a lot.
But I do think that people who are a little overweight are finee.
As long as you don't lose the control and keep growing till you can't walk.

[Nobodyx]

I think that @bodyposipanda
(Megan Jayne Crabbe)
is a bit over weight but is beautiful and confident, she looks happy and healthy and can walk normally.
And people like Tess Holiday maybe should be careful? The way she walks looks so uncomfortable and does not look healthy to me.

[VaIiant]

There is a difference between body positivity and fat acceptance @roflgun

[ClosetHoe]

I disagree with the part where you said "...[women] want things for themselves that they are not willing to give to others." Women don't owe men anything and vice versa. Men (you) could always start their own body positivity movement. However, no one should feel good about being unhealthy. People should be encouraged to lose or gain weight. There's nothing wrong with looking out for others.

[Avicenna]

IMHO, no one should be bullied or insulted because of their weight or any other physical characteristic, but we still should remind people, gently and politely, that there are long-term consequences to their health and confidence if they are too heavy or too skinny. And, yes, this obviously applies to males as well as females.

[NYCstreetPhotog]

As a side note, body positive has actually made the standards for modeling higher, the body positive models need to conform to srickter constraints for them to be hired. It's all a lie when you see that plus sized model, she needs to maintain her body image more than the skinny models do.

[SydneySentinel]

I like your thoughts here. Can't support a double standard like that either.

[ConfusednClueless]

Men should practice body positivity. Big Boy, Little Boy, Tall Boy, Short Boy, Tough Boys, Pretty Boy they should all love their bodys.

[Robertcw]

And should be loved by the opposite sex* as well. If it is to be consistent with third wave feminism.

Either, we don't support body positivity or we should support it for all.

[ConfusednClueless]

I am a feminist and I support men of all shapes and sizes. 😂 Where do you get this stuff.

[Shyman11]

Yes because a girls like bodyshapes
Exactly a same boys like
So both girls and boys have to practice body posiyivity