Why Does Feminism Seem to Matter to White Women The Most?

[ManOnFire]

This is another post I originally intended to be just a question but the details got too long for it, so I decided to put it in a Take instead again.

I'm not "hating" white women, it is just ironic to me. When you see the marches, all the books and articles written by feminists, and see them on news programs, the vast majority of them are white women. Even the majority of white women journalists have feminist allegiances.

It's simply ironic to me because white women have been the least oppressed of any female demographic. They have actually been given a lot of favor above other races of women and even men. White women were voting in peace long before blacks even though blacks were technically given the right to vote first - which white feminists actually resented and scorned blacks for. White women have held more seats in Congress over the years than both black men and women. White women have also advanced to being company presidents and CEOs sooner and more often than blacks or other races. White women also had an easier time getting into colleges than blacks and other races. And white women are the least convicted demographic when it comes to crime, as many are also let off the hook more often.

Yes, we know there are some black feminists. Yes, we do see feminism in other nations, and an increase of it in countries like India and the Middle East, although it seems to be mostly prevalent in the young circles and especially in universities. Yet overall women in other cultures - including black women - who have faced a lot more difficulty than white women, have not felt that feminism is all that necessary. They definitely do think that women should be treated better and regarded more, but still don't think feminism should be an actual thing.

Years ago in the early 2000s, when I was a young guy writing my own "gender book" and studying both feminism and the 'men's rights movement,' I found out a lot of bologna about feminism. Make no mistake, I'm no fan of MRA either - which I wrote about here some time back: How Men's Rights and the Men's Rights Movement Are A Lie , but I learned a lot of bullshit about white feminism. So it just always baffles me that this group who has faced the least oppression and difficulty, has felt the need to cry about oppression the most. Why is this? Is it still tied to some form of white privelage? Or is it just still a mindset of princess entitlement period? It also seems to be that the issue of casual sex is such a big deal to them. Is it because white feminists know that they've already achieved a lot and don't really have anything else to complain about? Or is it because they simply have a selfish desire for the rights to have casual sex?

So I do ask, as the title says: why does feminism seem to matter to white women the most?

#WhiteFeminism

[Anonymous]

I'd say two reasons.

One, as a group women are not materially oppressed. Poor people are. The disabled are. Some ethnic groups have big challenges. But for a lot of non-white women, their bigger challenges around 'diversity' or opportunity are not driven by being female.

Second, to the extent they do have challenges due to being female, those challenges are often intertwined with their culture or class. Feminists nowadays talk a lot about intersectionality, but they seem to ignore the most significant intersection (class/money) the most.

Finally the whole project tends to be lead by wealthy background women with advanced degrees in field's that don't pay much complaining about … their problems.

So we end up with a form of feminism that traditionally focused on highly educated underemployed rich white women, who wanted to wield the same power their husbands did, changing the world for working class women by insisting they could also have the same shit jobs their husbands did, while not doing a whole lot to change the cultural factors specific to poorer women improving how they're treated (some of which they care about, but some not. How harmed have poor black women been by the war on drugs taking potential husbands away? White women's solution is always daycare so you can go to your awesome and validating job).

When they do take up intersectionality, it's generally allowing a disabled black lesbian who also attended an ivy league school to do a grad program in sociology to speak before them.

Generally it's fair to say that feminism tends to be focused the most on the desires of the educated and well off class of women, who are predominantly white, with a scattering of south Asian for instance (east Asian women seem more likely to take a stem or business degree and actually just go make money).

[ManOnFire]

Brilliantly said!⭐⭐⭐⭐

[katieExplainsItAll]

No offense but white women aren't used to the word " no". Most white women are privileged and used to getting what they want. So if one thing goes wrong they won't sit down and discuss it like civilized adults.. they either protest the crap outta everything, call the ceo, call the president of United states , or form some feminist group. 🤣 no offense it's how it is..

[ManOnFire]

So true!

[Knuxx]

I think the anonymous example above is the only rebuke that doesn't attack anyone in particular. But I feel the person is confusing the opportunity allowed by privilege for liberty, strength... etc. it's easy to have those things when everyone is afraid to tell you no. The only difference now that the signs have been taken down is that we dont look at the men behind out of fear. We simply fear saying no because we (non white women) dont want to be attacked for saying no.

[katieExplainsItAll]

Bingo!!!

[MzAsh]

I truly think black women do not give a fuck. They are who they are. They do what they want. And who stop them? No one.

[MzAsh]

White women just care too much.

[ManOnFire]

Exactly. That is exactly what I wanted to include but forgot that. Our women really do see it as 'they are who they are,' yes.

[Emperorxxxemilio]

“Our” women? You don’t own them lol

[ManOnFire]

@Emperorxxxemilio Don't even try it, dude. You know what I'm saying.

[Emperorxxxemilio]

No. I don’t know what you mean actually.

[jess54]

@emperorxxxemilio 👏👏👏 that’s the alliance we love to see

[Emperorxxxemilio]

Well, nobody should act like they own anybody male or female. Women don’t owe me shit just because I say a few nice words.

[jess54]

yeah, i agree. it’s nice to see a guy stand up to a guy rather than joining in with comments like that. you rarely see that on this app can’t lie

[Emperorxxxemilio]

Yeah it’s the herd mentality I was just talking to this other person about.

[Slim57]

This mf hard simpin

[katieExplainsItAll]

White women are used to getting everything, feel entitled, and are generally privileged. They are so used to that lifestyle that when things go wrong they go crazy and start forming groups (feminist groups), call CEOs, call the president of usa 🤣🤣 and just go nuts. Black women dont care. We speak our mind and keep it moving and we've endured struggle so it's nothing to us.

[Emperorxxxemilio]

Do you get that from a statistic?

[MzAsh]

I wish more feminist white women would be more like that. Want something? Take it. Don’t cry about it on twitter. Don’t ask for permission.

[katieExplainsItAll]

@MzAsh I think it's too late for them 🤣.. theyve been privileged for too long and still are..

[KrakenAttackin]

@MzAsh "White women just care too much", what does that mean?

[MzAsh]

They care too much what people think. They want everyone’s permission and acceptance when it’s actually not required.

[katieExplainsItAll]

White women worry about the wrong things. The most juvenile mediocre of things. Why? Because they're so privileged and not used to the word "No". NO is like a death sentence to them. Where as black women. We've been there , done that, gone through struggle. We handle it and move the hell on. White women dont go through anything.

[KrakenAttackin]

@MzAsh That is a good point. I also think white women think they have to crusade for everyone and every cause, even when their "help" is not wanted.

[ManOnFire]

@katieExplainsItAll "White women worry about the wrong things."
- Yep, I think that is the key point.

[ManOnFire]

@MzAsh Notice how 5 pinks downvoted you? They kinda prove what I was saying from the very start.

[katieExplainsItAll]

🤣🤣

[MzAsh]

And 11 blue. Very interesting.

[LEADFOOTboi]

this is one reason i like black women more... they're more realistic i think

[Anonymous]

The west is literally Babylon and in Isaiah you will find Prophecy that points to the damage done by feminism IE Marxism and the end result for the west and the world when it follows the west. Feminist are literally following the lead of the antichrist. Isiah outlines the damage done by feminist and where things are heading IE MGTOW etc. Feminist say they don't need a man. No problem because there literally won't be any left and what few remain will want nothing to do with them either. Take a look at Isaiah 4:1

Isaiah 4:1 On that day seven women will seize one man, saying, "We will eat our own bread and provide our own clothing. Just let us be called by your name. Take away our disgrace."

Isaiah 13:12 Prophecy Of Babylon. I will make mortal man [a]scarcer than pure gold
And mankind than the gold of Ophir. 13 Therefore I will make the heavens tremble,
And the earth will be shaken from its place At the fury of the Lord of hosts
In the day of His burning anger.

Isaiah 3 16-26 16 The Lord says, “The women of Zion are haughty, walking along with outstretched necks, flirting with their eyes, strutting along with swaying hips, with ornaments jingling on their ankles. 17 Therefore the Lord will bring sores on the heads of the women of Zion; the Lord will make their scalps bald.” 18 In that day the Lord will snatch away their finery: the bangles and headbands and crescent necklaces, 19 the earrings and bracelets and veils, 20 the headdresses and anklets and sashes, the perfume bottles and charms, 21 the signet rings and nose rings, 22 the fine robes and the capes and cloaks, the purses 23 and mirrors, and the linen garments and tiaras and shawls. 24 Instead of fragrance there will be a stench; instead of a sash, a rope;
instead of well-dressed hair, baldness; instead of fine clothing, sackcloth; instead of beauty, branding. 25 Your men will fall by the sword, your warriors in battle.
26 The gates of Zion will lament and mourn; destitute, she will sit on the ground.

[ManOnFire]

I have read these passages more than once, yes. And I do believe them to be true, and I am one of few who also believes that America is Babylon in the Book of Revelation.

[Opinion Owner]

Yes indeed, America matches Isiah too perfectly, literally is Babylon.

[Laura_Marx]

As I'm sure you know, the majority of white women also voted for Trump. I don't know that its correct to say that feminism matters to white women the most so much as white women's feminism is hegemonic because white women are hegemonic. White feminism is a sort of 'repressive desublimation' of women's radical challenge to patriarchy, and white feminist's articulations along with their victories limit the progress of the women's movement toward gender abolition. I think this is the point of 'the master's tools cannot dismantle the master's house'; white women were subjugated to their white slave owner husbands and their petition for equality meant equal access to owning slaves and not a whole lot else. I think that thinking through what 'doing feminism' looks like as a white woman is not simple because this trap is so immediate.

But I'm not sure that its true that black women are less inclined towards feminism. Ime women of colour tend to occupy the more militant cells of the women's movement, rather than backing away from it. I don't know how that shakes out on a population-level, if more women of colour are antifeminist, but as I said, most white women are antifeminist anyway. I think if there *is* less of an inclination towards feminism among women of colour, it might be because race appears as the more immediate priority to organize around on the national stage. The black community is an internal colony of the United States & it just doesn't make sense to petition the Supreme Court to handle black misogyny; it has to be dealt with in a more direct, immediate, decentralized way, which means breaking rank with the broader women's movement. White feminists agitate for more laws to protect women and harsher sentences for men who commit violence against women; black women agitate to get police out of their communities & stop the mass incarceration of black people. These forms of organization are just not commensurable. But if you look at the way that black women do agitate over misogyny, and especially form women's communities, is it true that few black women care about patriarchy? At the least, it seems crazy to me to suggest that women of colour were simply happy to defer decisions about abortion and family planning to their husbands or fathers. If there was a limited participation on those issues it has to be for strategic reasons.

[Lynx122]

I think it's exactly because they're white that they care so much. White women noticed that their lives were becoming too good for anyone to take them seriously anymore when they complained about oppression. So they had to come up with a new idea.

Intersectional feminism was founded so white women could distance themselves from white men and say we're victims too because we're women it's only the white men that are evil. This is when the counting of privilege and oppression began too. It doesn't matter how objectively privileged you are in your life if you're a woman you can never be an oppressor so you're all good.

I think the casual sex angle of feminism is just a side show the real core of it is the virtue signaling and making sure you're on the "good side" where the "victims" are and not lumped in with the evil white men. And along with the victim status there's also a tremendous power in todays society a power to judge others, a power to discredit and silence others based on their gender and ethnicity, even a power to ruin other peoples lives sometimes.

Nowadays most people have woken up to this and don't just accept that when you're called a sexist or whatever they throw at you you don't just ave to shut up and take it but for a while there it was almost like an automatic win in any argument that's what it seemed like anyway :D. In the end though feminists have run to their own demis with their extrimist positions and their unwillingness to let other people talk. There's still feminism in the mainstream but it's being challenged a lot more often than before and not just accepted as gospel anymore.

[ManOnFire]

Also perfectly said👍🏽

[abc3643]

Q: "Why does feminism seem to matter to white women the most?"
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A: This isn't rocket science. If you are a minority, chances are more likely two things:

1. You are lower on the economic totem pole and are too busy worrying about surviving than worrying about the problems that feminism is concerned about.

You don't give a shit about women making 78 cents to ever dollar a man makes when you are making a helluva lot less working minimum wage or afraid immigration is going to deport you.

2. You have to worry about being discriminated against for not being white.

That's what "white privilege" is. It's not really privilege, per se, as it's the extra burdens for those who are a minority like racial profiling. So, minorities are more interested in their attaining their civil rights relatively denied to them by ethnicity than their by their gender. For example, when the Republicans try to limit voting hours in the inner cities, why are they doing that? Because minorities have a tendency to vote Democratic. White people live in the suburbs and are more likely to vote Republican so you make sure these people have plenty of hours to vote. See? That's a civil rights issue based on ethnicity, not on gender. And it's a real problem because it affects everyone. It's not a gender-centric problem like the ones that feminism addresses.

[Dargil]

Guesses.
Black urban culture is Matriarchal. The women have nothing to achieve. They already have it. They way out earn the men and almost exclusively raise children.
The men largely serve as entertainment and semen donation. That does not mean the culture is healthy. Absent fathers replaced by government largess is the central cause of trouble in the Black community.
Asian and Hispanic cultures still subscribe to the traditional roles of women.
Asian women manage to prosper in the workplace but remain adequately traditional at home. Thats part of the reason men love them.

White women bought into Feminism thinking it would liberate them from something. It has actually locked them out of the satisfactions of authentic femininity and motherhood and they (!) blame it on men; "the patriarchy", because they think they should be able to "have it all" and men should accept and celebrate it. Urban males buy in to keep the steady supply of easy pussy coming. Or maybe this is all nonsense.

[Cherokeehp]

I think they just want something to rally against. I’m not saying all, but a lot of white feminists focus on the wrong issues. I constantly hear white women complaining about “manspreading” and “free the nipple” and stuff like that. Majority of the “feminazis” and women who right books and make quotes saying “kill all men” and “all men a rapist” and stuff like that are white women. There are more important issues to deal with, and demonizing all men is not the answer to those issues. I think that there are plenty of black feminists, we’re just quieter about it and we focus more on more important problems.

[ManOnFire]

Excellent points as well.

[Anonymous]

i would have to say that it is because in history, most white people were the most privileged, so instead of focusing on personal issues like if they have enough food or money to survive, they focused on the next problem in line. i guess what i'm trying to say is, as humans, we always need something to complain about, and when you're more privileged, the thing you want to complain about becomes more intense or bigger deal than it is.

don't get me wrong; i'm all for women's rights. but i'm mostly for equality for all, regardless of religion, gender, race, or anything else-- i think feminism, though they say it is equality for all, is actually more woman-oriented which is just as bad as before.

as an mixed Asian Muslim girl from a Muslim minority-country with immigrant parents, a lot of discrimination comes my way, but the thing is that much of the time, white people just don't have the struggles that minorities have to cope with. so they come up with, or exaggerate their own struggles. of course, not all white people are the same so this doesn't apply to everyone, but it's mostly white people that get more privilege.

[jess54]

i think especially in Europe and the us, a large majority of white women are aware of their white privilege. this gives them the ability to speak on behalf of people in middle eastern countries, where women are still very much oppressed due to factors such as religion or traditions within their cultures. these women will not have the ability to speak out, or be able to voice the act of feminism to the extent that white females in other countries can. because if they do they most likely will face some sort of punishment. however, this doesn’t justify the other majority of white women who use this privilege to scream from the rooftops ‘all men are wrong! i hate men’ which i think is a form of misogyny (i think that’s the right term), commonly confused and associated with feminism, as they label themselves as feminists. this gives a lot of feminists a bad rep, because down to definition, a feminist is someone who believes in equality for all. and you don’t have to be a female to be a feminist.

[Knuxx]

Well sad and sadly true.

[ManOnFire]

@jess54 Except that white feminists do not really care about women's struggles in other countries. They just pretend they do so that they can look international and as if they give a damn.

[jess54]

so what do black and other ethnic minority feminists do that is so different to white feminists? what is it about the white feminists that suggests they are only pretending to give a damn? and also, how are they benefiting from ‘looking international’?

[jess54]

also i’m sorry if that comment comes across as defensive. i’m just curious is all

[Knuxx]

After we figure out why fiminest groups/leaders hate on eachother we might be able to figure that out too. Till then can we ignore expose the fake feminists/femiNazi so they and lose their influence in government.

[ManOnFire]

@jess54 It really is not a matter of any of them doing anything differently. It's a matter of how the white group is whining the most about the least difficulty, and the ones of color with the most difficulty are whining the least.

White feminists benefit from looking international by trying to show how they care about women in other nations struggling, just to seem equal. It's like cheap missionary work. Back during the Iraq War white American feminists went over their marching on behalf of Iraqi women's rights, and a group of them ended up getting kidnapped by the 'insurgents' and beheaded. For sticking their noses in other women's business.

[jess54]

i find it interesting how you see feminists speaking out as ‘whining’ - i see it as them raising awareness. you also brought up how feminists, most likely women, trying to protest for the rights of other women (in all fairness were stupid enough to do so during a war), got kidnapped and beheaded. but you then put the blame on the feminists for it ‘for sticking their noses in other women’s business’, when it was most likely because they were trespassing, and because of the gender hierarchy within that country that what happened, happened. not because they were interfering with another women’s business. the fact that you acknowledged the beheading and kidnapping of women, but failed to see this is a clear discrimination upon women, is the exact reason why feminism is needed.

[ManOnFire]

@jess54 White feminists are not raising awareness about anything. They're not raising awareness about violence withing black and Latina women's communities. They're not saying NO to India's promotion of fair skin and hatred of dark skin with their women. All white feminists want to cry about is "rape culture" and their desire for casual sex without it being judged and interrupted.

Those women were killed in Iraq for being American white women who somehow thought they could be big and bad enough to stick up for women in a whole other country. Trying to show assertion where it was out of place. In a war.

[jess54]

white feminists actually do raise awareness for the issues you stated, alongside many other similar issues. i’ve witnessed it and partaken in it myself. but that part of feminism isn’t given the same coverage in the media as the ‘rape culture’ comments of white feminists you’re thinking of. why do you not see rape as an issue? is it something that you feel targets you as a male, reason being why you feel the need to demean it in such a way? also i agree with that last statement about the war. but don’t let clearly stupid actions of a few distort your view of the majority.

[jess54]

and also, clearly you recognise the violence in black and latina communities, along with the hatred among indian women of darker skin colour, why don’t you take it upon yourself to talk about how important those issues are? unless, of course, you were just including them in to make your argument criticising white women seem stronger.

[ManOnFire]

@jess54 "why do you not see rape as an issue?" - Rape has always been an issue to me, but white feminists are overly focused on it because white women in general have rape complexes and even perpetuate mindsets of black men trying to rape them.

I have talked about those issues with Indian and Latina women. More than once. Nobody listens if it's not a white woman.

[jess54]

that’s understandable. may i ask why you’ve only properly responded to the female comments on this question, and barely any of the guys?

[ManOnFire]

@jess54 Because most of the guys already get it, but the white females are getting in their feelings and not humbling themselves to understand.

[Knuxx]

@ManOnFire thank you for pointing that out that most of the men already understand the problem is not who the feminist group is talking about but why they are doing it. @jess54 I have noticed the same trend on other similar topics. Once asked you will typically see specific groups of women attack the questioner instead of providing positive or constructive feedback. This tells me that these women are strongly invested in just one aspect of the movement and do not do much research
Or they have a bias stong enough that the are unwilling to think about the majority of the following opinions posted. Or worse because of the bias they will cherry pick from the people that make their point stronger regardless of the impact or level of negativity. I had to witness my mother and aunts struggle in a community that claimed to provide women the best opportunity. This was because they were black before they were women. This same culture caused my mother to start using men to manipulate government systems just so she can work. This has continued for 20 years since I noticed despite feminist groups working to help women around the world. It really doesn't seem like they care about anything other than their image as feminists around the world. Women in america have to fight for themselves without the larger "white women led" feminist groups.

[Yennefer]

Jess the typical snobby white girl. Her post stinks of "hur hur hur I'm betterz thanz youz"

[NiWash]

Feminism in it's origins as an ideology was political in nature. The purpose was universal suffrage in the age of industrialization and liberal politics in Europe ( this origin is, like most things, debatable). It is therefore no wonder that, like other political thought, it shifted from white to 'other'. Like all other ideas that require adjustment, an attempt at decolonizing the term and it's implications has taken root from as early as the slave abolitionists in the US to the sexual revolution of the 1960s which saw more intersectionality in feminism grow. However, naturalizing feminism is something that is still a challenge today since it has always been viewed from it's suffrage origins championed by white women at the time. This sense of ownership or privilege has persisted. It is not that white women care about feminism more, it is only that their brand of feminism continues to be used as a global benchmark which is problematic because women and also feminists are not homogeneous. From the comments I have read here from a lot of the guys, they believe feminism=male bashing. While this is not fundamentally the case (because men can be feminists too) , the face of feminism in the west as propelled by a white minority (in which case I am only referring to white women in places of influence that have propagated this) that we must trample on men to get ahead has continued to be the face of feminism.

[ObscuredBeyond]

It's part of a malicious indoctrination plot going back to the 50s. The radicals knew American whites had all the stable homes and families, and therefore, all the power, to shape society and resist the radicals. So white women were targeted for indoctrination the most heavily, to see everything for their benefit as "the enemy."

Whenever the initial narrative starts to get a bit weak, and God's model for family still finds a way, the anti-God radicals just remix the lie with a stronger, more insane dose. So with each passing decade, the feminist narrative gets a little more warped. However, because blacks were encouraged to abort their own futures into oblivion, they aren't seen as a threat to the radicals. And neither are Mexicans. Operation Paperclip doesn't care about them, and neither does Soros, because it was White America that defeated the Third Reich. So it's White America that is being punished with the most extreme prejudice. And that includes turning it against itself.

[HerLucidNightt]

I'll get hate, but whatever: White women only care about themselves. Seriously.

They give no fucks about black, brown, or Asian women. That's why minority women literally had to coin a NEW term called "intersectional feminism". A whole new term so they could be included and their issues could be heard because white women are a big echo chamber of "me me me!"

[angeliquedevereux2]

Wow. That was a lot of racism right there

[ManOnFire]

@angeliquedevereux2 All she did was state the facts and you call it racism cuz you got in your feelings about it.

[angeliquedevereux2]

Dude, there are no facts in saying white women only care about themselves. If I said the same about any other race people would take a lot of issue with it. That's racism, directing hate at a group of people for the soul reason of their skin colour

[Rina_colada]

@angeliquedevereux2 y’all love to say that “If we said the same thing but say Black or *insert minorities here*, y’all would be mad” The gag is, y’all already do. So then what?

[Knuxx]

@angeliquedevereux2 have you looked into the views of any of the feminist group leaders. This includes political and educational leadership. Or we can look at the fact that women of color are just ignored. But why listen to me here are some videos: Watch "Why We Need To Talk About White Feminism" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/VNdZcegK1lQ and Watch "Christina Hoff Sommers and Camille Paglia on intersectional feminism and safe spaces VIEWPOINT" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/QvFrfaYvtfc But please defend feminism as a whole but give me more drag queen feminism or street smart feminism not white women are just victims or pioneers because they really aren't. To much truth has been revealed. Or you can ignore colleges across america and say there are no facts.

[Knuxx]

Almost forgot this one
Watch "Has feminism gone too far? — with Christina Hoff Sommers and Camille Paglia (1994) THINK TANK" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/OCbyZlI1aLQ

[Petra150]

@angeliquedevereux2 you just hit it spot on, a great taboo no one like to bring up. White shaming !!! Now hunting the "horrible " white man isn't enough. We white women get the same pay back, from years of special treatment for other ethnic than white, given aid in every part of the world. Last the billions of € European countries grown to, china only to get there fucking electronic and plastic back, while 100 millions job's were stolen by greedy Chinese too. As it wasn't enough, they send us the virus too. And Africans have been supported by us white all time, a continent unable to support it self. But It takes dum blonde to say, what most can see

[HerLucidNightt]

@Petra150 Girl shut the fuck up lmao try living without electricity for a month and when you finally give up? Thank God a black person made the carbon filament.
@Knuxx provided you with some beautiful examples. Stomp your feet and cry, but my, and his, facts stand.

[Petra150]

I have nothing to thank black African for, funny why they suddenly stopped crawl over the European boarders just as the Chinese virus hit Europe.

[HerLucidNightt]

@Petra150 what are you even talking about no one wants to go to china at all. But stay mad, white women are still the most selfish race ever. Even your own men are tired of you and bringing videos to shut you up.
You can reply if you want, but that's all i gotta say.

[101dalmation]

Feminisms from the outset was about white middle class problems, those were the perspectives that were given privilege, I think intersectionality has become much more prevalent. However, I think we are living in a postfeminist context where neoliberalism has incited greater need for individualism and self care. I think it's really interesting because a lot of women don't see the need for feminism and are even rejecting it. Instead of fighting the systems of oppression, women could be empowered by choosing how they would fit into these existing power structures. Post-feminist culture hides the central symbols of patriarchy and provides a narrative for women that places the responsibility for empowerment or failure on the individual.

[ManOnFire]

Good points indeed.

[TheLittleInnocent]

I wonder the exact same thing.(๑° . °๑) i had to sit and think for a long time on how to answer this. They're bored.(人◕ω◕) You know how in the 1800s during the social reforms they were all out there doing something. A lot of women contributed to the reforms... some behind the scenes and others upfront if they were bold. That made me think of this game that I play, now in the game you fight battles to rank up. There is an ultimate rank. And so i wondered... what will i do once i get there? what is the purpose of the playing the game anymore? i considered deleting it but then i'd be bored without anything to do... so i decided that once i reach that rank ill just continue playing matches to keep from being idle (for an idle mine is the devil's workshop) that or they are just ignoring or completely oblivious to the privileges they have._(┐「ε:)_

[Knuxx]

Very insightful @TheLittleInnocent and that must be a good game.

[TheLittleInnocent]

@Knuxx Thank you... indeed it is ( ⚈ ̫ ⚈) I've never had to think so critically before (it's all about strategies)

[Bribree18]

White women have the ability to preach their beliefs without being degraded and racially profiled. When a woman of color speaks for her beliefs she is turned against, hated, and seen as being a stereotype. The media villainizes women of color for doing the same thing as white women... this whole topic is really a large portion of what feminism is. Equal rights for all, regardless of gender or race. White women are using their voices because they are notably less discriminated against than women of color. However, there are plenty, PLENTY, of women of color in the movement. What the media shows you and what you choose to consume is your responsibility... you have to see all sections of the movement and open your eyes to all of it. You have to actively, non-aggressively, seek out answers and there will be plenty of feminist women, white and of color, who would willingly explain everything about the movement.

[ManOnFire]

Whether that's true or not, and which it isn't, white feminists don't care about black feminists, and are not marching to help black women or any other women who are facing issues. Back in the 90s when Andrea Yates killed her kids, NOW actually funded her legal defense. They have never done that for any woman of color in a criminal case.

True, there are women of color who are feminists, but even the "plenty" that you perceive exist are still few compared to white women feminists.

[Bribree18]

How can you say that? That white feminists don’t care about black feminists? I need to see some proof of today’s feminists (as feminism and most politics has rapidly changed since the 90s) refusing or proving they don’t care about black feminists. Also, how are you speaking about all white feminists as if every one is the same? In any group or social movement there will be different people with different goals... it’s ignorant of you to refuse to see all sides because you’re blinded by your own opinion.

[BabyBirdy]

This whole thread is hilarious. This is clearly about racism and not feminism. He keeps talking about white woman like white women are one person 😹
People still base an entire group of people from one person or a few people in 2020. Crazy

[jess54]

@BabyBirdy you couldn’t have said it better 😂 this guy is actually delusional.

[ManOnFire]

@Bribree18 "Also, how are you speaking about all white feminists as if every one is the same?"
- Not all of them. Just most of them.

@BabyBirdy Actually racism and feminism go hand in hand. "He keeps talking about white woman like white women are one person" - Like all groups, they have tendencies that are collective of their own.

[BabyBirdy]

Lmao, this guy just said most white women are racist 😹 😹😹

[BabyBirdy]

Lmao, and now racism and feminism are the same thing? 😹 since when? 😹😹😹

[Djaay]

I'll say it... most white women are racist and sexist and feminist. Witchcraft is they're principle of character assasination and demonic fortitude is they're mission of warfare.
Prove me wrong...

[BabyBirdy]

Maybe it’s where you are from. The U. S. is a VERY large place 😹

[Djaay]

Or maybe I'm absolutley correct and have seen the maylayof it all my damn long life so far.
I dont have any women problems , but I'm not going to lie about it either..

[Djaay]

I'm not jumping on you. Or saying it's your falt either. Just reminding those that are younger than I, watchout for the evil overtones especially these days

[BabyBirdy]

Yea maybe where you’re from and your generation. The U. S. is very large

[Djaay]

Been all over the USA. They're all the same there. The marches prove that as well.
Women dont act like that where I'm from nor where I live. Im from (Samoa) in Polynesia and live in Pebble Beach area in California and mostly in Hawaii where I usually reside.

[BabyBirdy]

I don't know, I’ve never seen it 🤷🏼‍♀️

[Djaay]

Thats ok , we here and back home have a very different view on being equal with each other. No ones complaining except for those of caucasian race who've moved here. But then again very few are that way all together. Even some of them are really good people.
Our feminism started back with the Queens and Kings as a Monarchy. And it also had everything to do with the men , unlike the US mainland where women have virtually killed any aspect of retribution towards men liking them ever again. And the only men that will are weak.

[BabyBirdy]

I could see that in your age group

[Rina_colada]

@BabyBirdy this thread applies to race because y’all fail to acknowledge that feminism was and always will be catered to you, white women. Whenever, us Black women or WoC face issues that are largely unique to us. Our issues have always been on the back burner especially if it means your privilege is at stake. I hardly ever hear white women have dialogue about it. I always hear US talk about it. And if white women do bring it up, then it’s to look “woke” or it’s because it pertains to you as well. So now that a black woman is explaining to you why the OP said what he said. Hopefully it makes sense to you. And don’t you dare, try to minimize our experience.

[Bribree18]

I don’t think anyone’s goal in this thread was to minimize the struggles women of color go through, especially pertaining to feminism. My point was that white women are often heard more because society is messed up, acknowledging how the media ignores women of color or villanizes them. Not every white woman is ignorant of their privilege. I wanted him to realize though, that there are white women who fight for the rights of ALL women... not only themselves and their direct problems. @Rina_colada

[Rina_colada]

@BabyBirdy YOU might, but there are PLENTY of white women who don’t. All the OP was trying to do was bring awareness of that. Our issues are still put on the back burner. So you saying “this thread is hilarious” when all he was trying to do is spread awareness of what is going on is the exact opposite of acknowledging your privilege. This should’ve been an opportunity for you to listen.

[Bribree18]

@Rina_colada I didn’t say that... @BabyBirdy and I are not the same user. If you read up on the OPs comments to other responses, while it may seem he is just bringing light to the struggles women of color face, he has been saying the entire feminist movement should be dropped and that it is unnecessary... I believe that’s why others find him “hilarious”... he’s just saying whatever with no proof. I can’t be sure though.

[Rina_colada]

If feminism is supposed to be a movement for ALL women. Then why do WoC, Black women, and Trans women constantly get left out. If that’s how it’s gonna be then yes, it should be dropped.

[Bribree18]

The thing is... for those of us who want it to be inclusive for ALL women (women of color, trans women, etc), we can only try our best. I always do whatever I can to not only include all women in the movement, but also to raise my voice when I see injustice on other women (of any race, sexual orientation, etc)... however, now it’s seen as “wanting to be seen as some”. How am I supposed to openly support ALL women for the movement, if it isn’t going to be seen as anything than me looking for attention? You can’t assume that all white women who support WOC and Trans women in the movement are only doing it to “seem woke” because not only is that not true, but it’s harmful to the movement and furthers the divide (which is something we should be trying to end). The classism, racism, and sexism has been present in this country (and really globally) for far too long... this is when we should be coming together to fight for our equal goals... however, media loves to continue to divide us and represents us (being women of color and white women) as unable to come together, which is something we must work actively to fight for. I, personally, use my voice to advocate for pro-choice, pro-equal pay (globally), for sexual assault victims (being that I am one; I fight for all sexual assault victims no matter gender), for all women of color and trans women to bring light to the ignored statistics of their struggles, to fight against cultural appropriation... I don’t do it to be woke, but because it’s the right thing to do. I don’t know... that’s just me.

[BabyBirdy]

@Rina_colada What’re you even talking about?
Firstly, I don’t call myself a feminist. I believe in basic equal rights for EVERYONE, men and women of all colors and ALL economic classes.
Secondly, you don’t know anything about me. Poverty happens in every race. I grew up POOR. I’ve worked my ass off for everything that I have and by the way, I grew up in and still live in a predominantly Mexican and black community. Smh. Sitting there generalizing and stereotyping so bad it’s pathetic.

So don’t try to minimize my experience or sit there and act like you know me like that. You clearly don’t know nothing about nothing 😹

The privileges that most people refer to are people who have MONEY. So get it right. Don’t come at me like you know me, my life, or who I associate with. Check yourself and your whack ass attitude, assumptions, and ignorant information. Hilarious that people on this thread think that only white people are racist. I’ve experienced my fair share of racism but it is what it is and I keep moving, period.

If you want to be a part of something then be a part of it. I never saw anything that said “feminism for white women only”.
The U. S. at this point in time is still a predominantly white country, that’s not racism- that’s math

[Rina_colada]

@BabyBirdy I saw I responded to the wrong person. But your privilege is showing. White people always gotta tell their life story like that changes the fact that they are privileged.

[BabyBirdy]

See what I’m saying? Ridiculousness. Can’t even accept the reality 🙄. People like that are doing the exact same thing. Racially profiling and making ignorant, unfounded assumptions.
Haha, not sure how poverty is privilege but okay 😆

[sawno]

To answer your question: Indoctrination. Mostly at the schools to recruit people for their causes under false pretenses. They will for example discuss how a gender pay cap exist but not use the data from the same profession and even if such a pay gap exists for the same work like potentially existed in my previous work place it is not because they are women but its a place where you have to negotiate your salary. I did a terrible job negotiating myself so i was underpayed for my skillset and initially extremely underpayed. Won't be making that same mistake again but it does show it is not exclusively women but a general problem blamed on a gender dis-balance which is a completely dishonest way of framing it but also the kind of way thought in schools.

[Anonymous]

It’s because as a black woman in society we are always looked at as either or. We are both black AND women. It sucks but a lot of society doesn’t actually see us as women first... They see us as black first. It’s not right, but that’s how it is. We and other “minority” women like Asians, Brown, etc have had to form our own movement.

[ManOnFire]

Yep. I once wrote about that too.

[youknowbetter]

Because many of these women have shortcomings that have NOTHING to do with sexism. But this is their access to the victim card.

Attractive young white women are probably the most privileged class in the entire world in the 1st world. Some of them know it but most of them don’t.

[ManOnFire]

Actually most of them know it. They know that the world glorifies them that's why they act however they want cuz they know they can get away with it.

[youknowbetter]

I’m white and I’m FED UP WITH IT. I see myself marrying an Asian girl (dated several) in the long run. I find it easier just to talk to minority women in general. They are usually more genuine.

Liberal white women are the worst.

[UncleJessieRabbit]

I know that most minority women politically vote liberal also, but I think you are kind of right, here. There are many minority women, even perhaps those living in the Western countries, that seem less difficult or uptight. Just gives off a more relaxed vibe.

[youknowbetter]

@UncleJessieRabbit I'm not sure if they just like white guys. I think they feel pressured to vote democrat just because they are minorities. But I'm meeting more and more of them (both minority women and men) that are getting sick of the kid glove bullshit. But yeah I usually feel more comfortable around minority women. They are usually more approachable and easy to talk to. Less liberal neurotic bullshit.

[ManOnFire]

@youknowbetter Yep, I'm black and I feel the same. No doubt, I talk to some white chicks on here and they're easy to talk to, but overall I fo better with minority women too, yeah.

[youknowbetter]

Both my roommates are black. One of them is a real ladies man. Very easy going, very social. Been living with him for 2 years and I’ve never seen him act depressed or pissed off (can’t say the same about myself lol).

He’s a lady killer. Gets plenty of action of all flavors. Pulls more ass than a toilet seat. But I remember hearing talk to one of his buddies about how he once got falsely accused (detective called him to ask questions). Case didn’t go nowhere thank God. But it was a white girl. Completely consensual and her idea but she had psycho bitch second thoughts. I’ve been paranoid about the same bs.

[youknowbetter]

I think women have sorta of bizarre contorted opinions of themselves. They were put on a pedalstool forever. Let’s face it, almost all men from all races think a young pretty blonde chic is like a goddess. But they also got this “I’m a victim because I’m a woman” bs going on. Weird combination of feeling victimized vs feeling spoiled.

This is not all of them of course. But they are the most impressionable to radical woke liberal bs.

I’m going to stick to Asian chics (maybe Latino). Learned my lesson years ago about bending over backwards for attractive yet confusion white chics. Mixed children are cute anyway lol.

[KrakenAttackin]

@youknowbetter I totally agree. Liberal white women are to white men, what the meteor was to the dinosaurs... they are here to destroy us all. Perhaps liberal white women are nature's way of telling humanity "you fucked up, now you need to leave the earth".

[youknowbetter]

@KrakenAttackin and they are too stupid to realize all their misery, depression and frustration is self inflicted thanks to this scourge called feminism. Really how many women has feminism helped and made happy?

[ovie_obvs]

I think that white woman will fight more for feminism, because some would assume a majority earn more money and are higher class due to racism aswell.

I also believe that black woman hav more to deal with I. e. racism etc

I dont hav any facts or figures and I cld be wrong tho

[ManOnFire]

You're not wrong.

[Knuxx]

Not wrong

[AlienParasite]

In a mainly white country, obviously the percentage of white women caring a lot is higher than any other race. So for most westerns it's normal to have this perception.

Also, in general, in western countries there is more freedom of speech, making easier for any movement to spread and make their complaints, whether those complaints are reasonable or not. While in other countries even complaining about what's reasonable is harder or even persecuted. Let's say that the more freedom and comfort we have as a society and as individuals, the more freedom we have to complain... and complaining it's too easy, even addictive.