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Going to have to prosecute people, bringing back the rule of law, not lawlessness. Here’s something I’ve noticed which no one really talks about. 169,981 SEALED 18,921 UNSEALED 396,563 NON-SEALED Indictments as ofJune 2,2020 Even though Mueller stopped his investigation, other people like John Durham, for the last couple of years haven’t stopped. Most people don’t even realize the amount of justice and pain will be brought. These things take time, which is something impatient people hate
These indictments have something to do with police violence? I didn't know that. But we have other issues too. We might as well start someplace. These issues invoke the strongest emotions.
No no lol. One indictment can have up to like 90 individuals. Some may include sold out nothing police, others are more high level, senior above them. Durham has been looking into stuff like the origins of the 2016 Russian meddling into the election. He’s been active since 2017. Durham was responsible for putting away the Boston mob, whitey bugler , even got people out of prison that were wrongfully imprisoned. He’s a investigators investigator and his nickname is the bull because he doesn’t take it from anyone. Durham even received Richard “da nang” Blumethals political support, which may come back to haunt him later. There’s also an investigator out in Utah (outside of DC that’s important) John Huber.
Nearly 18 months after US Attorney John W. Huber was appointed to investigate whether the Obama-era FBI and Department of Justice abused their power when they obtained spy warrants on Trump campaign operatives and their handling of alleged pay-for-play Clinton Foundation schemes. He’s also looking into human trafficking and crimes against humanity, children. I forget the two other investigators out there. Nothing has been leaked and trust me, the media has tried. Real investigations have no leaks.
Yeah, I don't understand what this has to do with mytake in that case.
Basically it has to do with justice. Not just for the guilty officers, chiefs of police, etc... but for guilty politicians, judges, CEOs, Etc... Maybe even military tribunals
If the civil courts determine to throw out a case, it just means that they won’t be tried in a civil (Ian) Court. But recently the manuals for the military code have been changed to include civilians. Basically a military court can be 10x more strict. The AG has even re-authorized the death penalty. That’s why people like jussie smallest staged his own hate crimes alleging white people, in Chicago, at 3 am, outside of a subway assaulted him. Dave Chappell ripped him on that little thing he did. Michelle Obama, Cory Booker backed up him too. Because they were making a case that lynching is wrong. Because they don’t want the death penalty for the,. That’s why it’s called “equal justice” laws don’t affect the ruling class, but the laws fuck everyone else “equal” “rules for thee but not for me.” It will take time to get things going though, people demand justice.
Typo smollet*
Yeah again I don't what this has to do with mytake.
Jussie Smolett fooled everyone. That's why he has been indicted.
I agree that that the justice system is bad. But I think you are putting a condition of politics. Daniel Shaver was "White". I have no idea what his politics was. I just know he was executed and people are actively fighting against making his case public.
Why is that?
They are probably fighting against making Daniel Shavers story public because it would take away from the narrative of George Flynn. The news can’t capitalize on him because he’s white and was murdered by a white officer that gave him contradictory commands for five minutes. “Put your arms on your head and crawl towards me.” Put your left foot in, put your left foot out, shake and do the hokie poking. Plus Daniel Shavers was in a hotel having drinks all night with his girlfriend. The cop was trigger happy waiting to kill people, the rifle he had was etched with the words “you’re fucked”
1.) bad training for the police
2.) juries almost always rule in favor of the police
3.) no national outrage, or protests because the guy who was shot was white. People are more obsessed with racial conflagration then they’re of actual justice being served.
The guy who shot Shavers was the image of police brutality that people are looking for and nothing was done to point it out. Cops in bad situations make bad choices and Shavers case to me looks like manslaughter. It’s the complete opposite with people like Michael Brown where there was circumstantial evidence, eye witness accounts of him beating up a police officer, trying to reach for his gun and he was justifiably shot
Yeah we are not on the same page. I posted about Daniel Shaver two years ago. Long before George Floyd was murdered. He was a "White" man who was humiliated, tortured, then executed by the police. I asked a question. . ."Do you have to be a liberal to think Daniel Shaver was murdered?"
Do you have to be a liberal to believe that Daniel Shaver was murdered? ↗
I didn't get a single thumbs up and very few people cared about what happened to him. His widow is all over social media trying to get support for his cause.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RT2KJ93SeNE
Now if you have not seen Daniel Shaver's murder you need to see it. It is every bit as disgusting as George Floyd or Eric Garner. And that officer walked away from his job with full benefits thanks to the tax dollars of the voters in his jurisdiction.
The odd thing is I create this thread and I have 12 thumbs up and dozens of responses.
Why is that? Why is Daniel Shaver so unimportant to people here? Why is no one outraged? Why is the "Black" guy the only one posting about him? Was it because people think he was a liberal? Antifa? Or how does this work?
You see, you guys keep blaming your personal actions on the media.
That does not work.
The media like the dems quit being what they claim to be. The dems are basically radical and I’m not sure how to label them. The media knowingly lies to over for them. Look at how much they tortured Hillary in their news posts, practically they didn’t. That’s the joke. I mentioned massive arrests and mil tribunals, I’m telling you that if you want justice, get ready because there’s going to be so much that it makes the Nuremberg trials, Ethel and Julius Rosenberg (who were the last to be publicly executed for treason in 1954) look like a rated G film. I’ll be leaving for awhile now. Keep an open mind and don’t let the media’s lies get you down
So that's why you are anonymous. Nothing you are saying here has anything to do with my thread.
It is just a political message while our cities burn. Too much youtubing and hanging out at 4chan.
im Trying to help. Even today I believe if Dr. king were alive and not killed, I believe he would’ve shown antifa, Blm his nasty side because it’s highly highly highly unlikely that he would’ve ever accepted them period. He would only look at them and rebuke, disavow them. But I’m telling you there’s going to be a lot of justice coming. So much it may clog the news cycles in the next couple of years. basically court TV was brought back. I imagine we will all watch as the unlikeliest of people are shown to be found guilty soon. Maybe not in a few weeks or months. Please don’t forget that I’m trying to do my best o help people not get pissed when that time comes, because right now it’s a time of healing, and getting right with God and our globe needs to heal from all this madness happening. Good bye, and don’t give up. Stay strong.
To have true peace and love and good amongst us as one
They must be war which is already in the flesh what we can see and even more intense in the spirit which we can't see
Cause Good and Evil
God/Christ and Satan/Devil
Love and Hate
Can't be together cause the Devil hater of all things good and father of lies can't accept it and corrupt it
So once he Gone and he's followers NWO then we can become a world of true peace and be in the Light
Anti-racism needs to be taught in schools and we need to help racist people so that they are no longer racist. Prejudice is learned.
Teaching anti-racism really pisses racists off.
I was thinking perhaps we can form coalitions of the willing. As a society we have so much to discuss and talk about.
I think it should be done in a friendly discussion rather than aggressively indoctrinating them. I think the more polite you are to people the more likely they are to listen
I don't know. The ones here get really livid if you suggest that race does not exist and that there is no such thing as ranking groups.
Take a break from the news , and also online once in a while. You can go insane listening to scare tactics from media. If we only really new what the Government does nobody would build shelters underground lol
I don't listen to the news. I didn't even know there was riots in my city until someone sent me a facebook message wondering about my safety. I am going to take to the streets today. Just like I did yesterday and report back.
You are telling to take break from the news.
I am telling you to take a break from the internet. Leave your house, get involved and find out what people are feeling out there in the streets.
By doing what the liberals and media and most dems dont want us to do. by coming together as one. if can keep the races down and seperated you can control a nation. not completely but enough.
You mean strangling George Floyd is a way to come together? Chasing Ahmaud Aubrey down and killing him is another way. Shooting Breonna Taylor dead in her home must be that last way.
Until the police are forced to abide by the rule of law we are going to have problems.
Yes there are problems in the system, but why focus on a race i don't get it? Is the system is bad or every single white person? Cuz what the protesters say is that White race is to blame.
@seth900 Wait, racist logic claims that police have to focus on "Black" people because "Black" people commit more crime, but it is "Black" people who are focusing on race?
We need honest conversations. Not nonsensical circular arguments.
Both sides are to blame not white or black
With Liberals , that is impossible. You could pay black Americans to all live in one state , that would give them majority rule , all black police force , both cities and State. Also , all black reps and Senators.
Good take. It starts with getting rid of trump. He's inept and divisive.
Well, that is politics. Our problems run much deeper. I think the coalition of the willing need to get together and work on these issues.
The rest, well,
How about this solution, Partial "Racial" Segregation? ↗
Retire the Constitution. At its core it is evil and what all rights are based on. The system is broken because the Constitution is flawed.
Well, it isn't perfect, but the Founders left us a way to amend it.
The issue isn't the Constitution. It is our politics.
Yeah. Start by getting rid of Trump. We need a leader who sets (by word and example) a tone that prejudice is ignorant and wrong.
We all know that trump was merely a symptom.
He's the manifestation of the disease.
Obama was black president almost like Luther King, but as we see even a decade of him in office haven't change a thing.
@seth900 Which was my point in my answer. Nothing changes until the hearts and minds of people change. As long as there's evil and ignorance in the hearts of men/women, this is what you will get, over and over.
Stop labeling people based on skin tone. And gender probably too. Doesn’t seem helpful.
How am I labeling people? Our nation is on fire now. Did ignoring the problems help? And if that officer walks free, what do you think will happen?
You guys are weird.
Stop labeling people based on skin color, keep the rule of law and put this cop on fire. And these rioters too. I protest peacefully. What they’re doing is ruining the message.
Yeah, you did not respond to me.
Are you MLK Jr? Bobby Kennedy?
Can you bring these riots to an end?
Anyone home over there?
Take it easy on the cocaine dude. Armed cops can’t bring the rioting to an end. Cops target blacks for being black, blacks riot for being black. Maybe we stop marginalizing them and targeting them based on their skin and the world gets better.
So you project onto me. Are you doing cocaine? I gave you a simple illustration and you can't comprehend it.
NO ONE CAN BRING THE RIOTS TO AN END. WE HAD A MAN WHO COULD. HIS NAME WAS MARTIN LUTHER KING. HE WAS MURDERED.
WE HAVE NO ONE WHO CAN SPEAK TO THE RIOTERS.
So the riots will go on until peoples' anger dies down. And if that officer walks, which in all probability he will, there will be more riots which will be probably worse.
Hate will never defeat hate, only love can do that
Yeah, but that guy who had all that love.
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They killed that guy.
And all his friends.
@KrakenAttackin Bye troll!
The problem is not that we are a nation divided; the problem is that we are many nations inhabiting the same territory and subject to the same government.
Nope!
Good take
Thank you again.
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my accepting personal responsibility for yourself
What does that even mean?
People need to stop playing the victim. Like this one guy called me a racist karen for calling the police on him just cause he was black. Had him on cctv breaking into my home, he only lives 4 doors down.
Yawn. . . you guys have no idea of what you are even talking about.
How am I responsible for a "Black" dude calling you "karen". I think the naming itself is racist and sexist. I would never call you a "karen". So instead of making me personally responsible for what I think and how I would respond to you. . . you make folks responsible for what think a member of their group has done.
HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY THIS?
THAT AIN'T PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.
IF YOU ARE GOING TO ASSIGN RACES RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR SUPPOSE MEMBERS, PLEASE DO THAT AND STOP POSTING CONFUSED NONSENSE.
"You guys" ? Like all crackers are the same?
Get your racist ass out of here.
Why do racists always pretend to be normal people?
What gives you the right to assume I'm racist just by the color of my skin? Text book racism.
If you could take a class or seminar or something on racial tolerance and the wrongs of racisg hate speech that would be mighty white of you.👻👻👻🎱🎱
Don't know
Me either dude. I tried to put forward a proposal.
And racists went nuts.
How about this solution, Partial "Racial" Segregation? ↗
i dk, but, i def. know the answer is not, trump
How about this answer?
How about this solution, Partial "Racial" Segregation? ↗
Wtf?
splitting people up more, wouldn't solve it
it's the UNITED STATES
not the segregated states
Technically, it would be the United States still. It would just be a region where people could choose segregation.
so, we'd be going back, 50 years
We have already gone back 50 years.
oh, believe me, don't i know, with trump, we have.. but, that doesn't mean we should go back even further
I just don't see that. You can't convince racists. Racists do not want to know. They love their ignorance. Why should we all suffer for the few who insist on embracing insanity?
They made racist in chief, president. That's why
Yes, and the can keep their right to vote. But this could be a referendum. We could add it one election and vote on it.
again, separating would only make it worse. trump, is just, not the answer the country needs, it never was
I don't understand how it makes it worse. I think the thing is. . . racists will miss us terribly.
racists, will eventually see that there's no point in blaming a skin color. that, the rich and powerful, are screwing them over, regardless of skin color. trump, is only out for himself. he's USING THEM
No they won't. Their belief system is dependent upon race and defining racial differences. Without that, their entire worldview falls apart.
Haven't you noted how racist frequently claim they are not being hateful? They are only making logical, rational observations?
i have a feeling they eventually will
even a racist, can often be pretty smart
Again, I am just being logical. How can it end for a racist when their very belief system is dependent upon it. It is a worldview. I am just speaking facts.
When they see that they're being used
But they like being used.
"Even on death’s doorstep, Trevor was not angry. In fact, he staunchly supported the stance promoted by his elected officials. “Ain’t no way I would ever support Obamacare or sign up for it,” he told me. “I would rather die.” When I asked him why he felt this way even as he faced severe illness, he explained: “We don’t need any more government in our lives. And in any case, no way I want my tax dollars paying for Mexicans or welfare queens.”
At the most basic level, Trevor died of the toxic effects of liver damage caused by hepatitis C. Yet Trevor’s deteriorating condition resulted also from the toxic effects of dogma. "
he knew deep down, he was being used
I don't believe so. He went to his grave happy to refuse Obamacare. Just because it had a "Black" President's name on it.
i guarantee you, he knew he was being used, by other racists
I guarantee you the article is authentic and the reporter was with this guy in his last days. You can continue to deny it if you wish.
You seem to think I am saying this is however one thinks. Far from it. But some people simply will not turn. Why are we dealing with them?
We have way bigger problems. You and I can work on our differences. Let's get going with that. Build the coalition of the willing.
actually splitting people up more is the only solution. all groups have an in group bias, its a step in the right direction but its not the BEST solution. only homogeneous nations work over a long term time scale
Be white
Okay. Way to break the mood.
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Start by slaughtering all of the racists
Wow. . .
Come on, we can't do that. But we can try to give them their own space.
How about this solution, Partial "Racial" Segregation? ↗
No but we should.
We could deport all the communists to china
Yeah, except your definition of communists are all the people who disagree with you.
No my definition of communists are people who subsist on welfare and dont pay taxes
Right. All of the people who disagree with you.
Because we pay billions in corporate welfare.
It doesn't seem to bother you at all.
No it dosen't because those corporations employ people, they provide goods and services, they drive economic growth and prosperity. Investing in a company that will lay a water line, or a gas line, or an oil pipeline, or make product I will use in my everyday life. Is a faaaaar better use of my taxes than paying someone to sit on thier ass and wait for thier next welfare check to show up
Employ people? What the fuck difference does that make? They are on corporate welfare. They have no way to fail but up. They suck my tax dollars out of my pocket and they give me shit in return.
You like being ass raped.
I don't.
DUMP TRUMP
This issue is much bigger than trump.
true, but it's a start
or a good finish?
It's been a problem long before Trump but I do believe that he inflated the issue.