Let's talk about equality between the genders (pls read everything)

[LaureenVO]

Hyy! I recently have seen this subject a lot on the internet. There are so many opinions on this. Please read what i have to say. You can comment to discuss about it, but please keep it respectful. I am not here to attack anyone or look for a fight.

I myself am a feminist. Lately i have seen that people say feminists want more power than men. Sorry to break it to you, but that isn't a feminist. We just want to be treaten the same and have the same right. Just equality. Then when i tell people this, they say things like;

'but you already got the same righs' or 'equal rights, equal fights'

I hope people know that not every country in the world has the same rights for woman. A woman in India was being tied up to a tree, because she talked back to her husband. The whole village saw this and did nothing. How is that equal? Then let's continue to the 'equal rights, equal fights'. If a woman hits you, i will not be the person to tell you to not hit her back. It's wrong what she did for sure. But you do not need to hit her as hard as you can. I mean how is that fair? Some men say it's 'equal', but still. As much as i like to say we are equal, genders are not the same. Men are build stronger in general. That's just a fact. So if both genders give all they have in a fight, the strength they use is absolutely not the same. It's not fair. Beside that, if we are talking about equality, why does that mean woman have to fight like a man? Why can't a man handle it like a woman. By as example, talking?

Beside this, woman are still not being treaten the same. They get paid less than men. Why? Most of us are scared to walk alone at night and at day. Why? Please stop using 'men are also afraid of this' or 'men get robbed more than woman' as argument. It still is different. Most men don't get catcalled. Yes you might get robbed more, but by who? BY OTHER MEN. It really is different for a woman. If we wear a croptop, we get called words. If we get sexually assaulted, the first question is 'what were you wearing?'. It's not an excuse. Even if a woman ran around naked but would not want to be touched, she is not asking for it at all. No is no and stop is stop. I am not gonna say that woman have it worse, because men also have their problems. Let's talk about those.

Men also have their problems. I am sorry you have to go through those. Before i say something about that, i still want to mention something. Whenever a woman talks about men problems it's like, 'thank you for understanding' but when a woman talks about woman problems it's like, 'euh we also have problems? you really want more power huh?'. How is that equal? We should talk about both. Beside that, it's not a competition. Who cares who has it harder? We should help each other out, not put each other down. Life is not men vs woman. Everytime i hear a woman talking about her period the comments are like 'being kicked in the balls hurt more', okay? I mean you sure don't get kicked in the balls every month? And the pain is different for every single human. Some men even said 'woman are not strong for giving birth. It's natural, get over it'. Then when we talk back, we are a 'dishwasher' or a 'snowflake'. sorry for standing up for woman i guess.

Okay men, i am sorry society taught you to man up. To not cry, to be strong, to look good, the fair of being a failure. That is absolutely awful. I know guys also can be insecure, even tho they never show it. That's why i personally stand up for them when i see a girl putting down a men. As example when they call him a 'stick' or make fun of his weight. Whenever i do this, i randomly become a 'pick me' girl? Like i am standing up for someone. It doesn't matter which gender, i am standing up for a fellow HUMAN. Whenever i try to understand boys and let them know they are worth it, i belong to the streets. c'mon, like wut?

I have a lot more to say, but my head is full atm lol. Anyways, if you want to reply, do it. We can discuss it, with respect. Be respectful pls. I really hope someone reads this. I just had to write it down since it ANNOYED ME. One more thing, when feminists talk about woman, it doesn't mean they don't care about men. If she is putting down men, then she isn't a feminist.

Also please be open to other opinions. Try to understand other point of views.

How it should be

No offense but this is true

[Anonymous]

There are so many problems with what you've written here, I don't have time to address all of them. But I'll address a few.

First, your denial about what feminism is. "Sorry to break it to you, but that isn't a feminist." <-- What you're doing here is one of the biggest problems with feminism today, and it is the biggest reasons feminism gets no respect anymore. What you're essentially saying is that feminists who behaves badly are not feminists, thereby relieving feminism of any responsibility for the horrible behavior of most modern feminists. It's like saying that Nazis who kill Jews are not Nazis. OF COURSE THEY ARE. The longer you feminists continue to deflect and deny the realities of what the feminist movement HAS BECOME, the further down the toilet the movement will go and the harder it will be to ever salvage it.

First you say this --> "If a woman hits you, i will not be the person to tell you to not hit her back." And then you say this. --> "Why can't a man handle it like a woman. By as example, talking?" Huh? No, the issue here is women who hit men first expecting men won't retaliate simply because they are woman. Are you suggesting men should "handle it" like those women then? Look, the issue is the expectation that a women can hit a man without him hitting her back. That expectation is the core of the issue and that needs to change. ANYONE who is dumb enough to pick a fight with someone bigger and stronger than they are deserves to get their ass kicked. If you women don't want men to hit you, then don't hit them first. It's not rocket science. If you feminists want to address the problem of women getting hit by men, then address the real problem with your own gender.

"They get paid less than men. Why?" Because they choose to. Do yourself a favor and look up the list of college degrees in order of highest paid to lowest paid and look at how many men and women CHOOSE to study each one. Women consistently choose to get degrees in lower paying fields because they LIKE those lower paying fields better. My sister is a mechanical engineer and when she went to university they literally rolled out the red carpet for her. Almost all her expenses and tuition were paid by scholarships and financial aid given to her simply because she is a female, and according to her she was treated so well by everyone that she felt guilty about it. Why do more females not go into higher paying fields? Because the DON'T WANT TO. That is no one's fault but their own. They can choose to earn as much as men if they choose to walk the same paths, and when they do, studies actually show they get paid as much as men and in many cases more.

[Opinion Owner]

First you say this. --> "Yes you might get robbed more, but by who? BY OTHER MEN. It really is different for a woman." And then you say this. --> "It doesn't matter which gender, i am standing up for a fellow HUMAN." Really? Because it sounds to me like you are standing up for female victims of violence and blaming it on men. Are female victims of violence "bigger victims" than male victims of violence? I'm sorry but this is typical feminist logic.

You feminists always say you just want to be treated equally, but you consistently show that's not what you want at all. You point your fingers at the behavior of other feminists and say "they are not real feminists", but you yourself are those feminists. This is the core problem of today's feminism.

[Opinion Owner]

There are so many more things I could say here but I don't have the time right now.

[LaureenVO]

Damn that's a big answer. I will keep it way shorter.

First thing i will reply to: I now understand there are different kind of feminists. More people told me that. It's just that i do not support those feminists. Who think they are better than men or do want more power than men.

secondly: I didn't mean that you should talk it out AFTER a woman hits you. I just mean that both genders can be more mature than fighting and talk it out from the beginning instead of hurting each other. And yes it sure is dumb to pick a fight with someone stronger than you. I would be way to scared for that. I would never hit a man.

then: I am talking about woman and men who do the exact same job and still get paid less. Also with the few hours of work and the same amount of work pressure. In an American program i saw like a year ago a man and a woman looked at these things. The difference wasn't big, but men did get paid more than the woman's. I totally agree that a lot of females also choose jobs where you get paid less. But that is not what i meant :)

After that: I was not standing up for female victims only. I was just trying to make sure that some men use arguments which won't help the situation.

as last: I really hope you understand that literally not every feminist is like that. I personally do want to be treated equally.

Thank you for your reply!

[Opinion Owner]

Sorry, I tend to get a little wordy on this subject because I feel very strongly about it. :)

I guess it's true there are different types of feminism and every feminist sees things differently. However, in general feminism is a hypocritical movement because it claims to seek equality but it views every issue through a very gynocentric lens, and that is not equality at all. That has always been the case and always will with feminism. That's why I suggest people support equality rather than a movement like feminism since by supporting feminism they are by default supporting all the harm and divisiveness that is unfortunately the primary result of today's feminism.

I'm sorry if I come off as critical. I'm really just trying to point out things I don't think most feminists realize they do or say. I doubt you realize it but your question here was very gynocentric in its focus.

Anyway, thanks for listening. I appreciate your questions and your openness to discuss it.

Cheers

[Opinion Owner]

Also, you mentioned women and men who do the exact same job and women still get paid less. That has been illegal in the US for a very long time, and although there may be isolated cases where a woman gets paid less than a man for exactly the same work, hours, qualifications, etc., there are also examples where men get paid less. But on average, women do NOT get paid less than men for exactly the same work, hours, qualifications, etc. That is a long standing myth and it is false. I would ask you to please provide evidence to support your claim that men get paid more than women for exactly the same work, hours, qualifications, etc. You will not be able to find that evidence because it does not exist.

This ^ myth is perpetuated by feminism, by the way. The fact you believe it is true is thanks to feminism. This is an example of the harm that feminism is doing today. Feminist organizations push these myths for the purpose of rallying women behind their cause and making them angry about something that isn't even true. You are part of that without knowing it, and that is just one example of many of why feminism is harmful today. There are a lot of very angry feminists who are angry at men for something that isn't even true. It's divisive and it needs to end.

Please, fight for equality, but don't do it under the banner or feminism, and please research your facts before you fight for a cause that doesn't even exist.

[ADFSDF1996]

I get what you’re trying to say but there’s two problems with what you wrote.

• “Lately i have seen that people say feminists want more power than men. Sorry to break it to you, but that isn't a feminist.“
• ” Okay men, i am sorry society taught you to man up. To not cry, to be strong, to look good, the fair of being a failure. That is absolutely awful. I know guys also can be insecure, even tho they never show it.“

The first one is what is known as “Not all feminists are like that”(NAFALT) a no true Scotsman fallacy. I get that you aren’t a misandrist but you are still neglecting the flaws exhibited by the feminist movement, specifically the hypocrisy . The reason why the feminist movement has such a bad rep is because even the more moderate feminists refuse to address the hypocrisy, specifically the misandry.

The second quote is similar to the first quote but is more specific on one of the biggest issues of feminism which is how feminists claim to “care” about men’s issues but in reality they just want enforce their own standards onto men by making men weak and subservient in an effort to form a matriarchy. Ironic how a movement that claims to support autonomy for both men and women still wants to enforce certain standards.

The truth is that you don’t have to be a feminist to actually support equality, civil rights and civil liberties. Most people here in the US don’t actually consider themselves feminists but still support civil rights and liberties for all. I don’t consider myself a feminist but I still believe that everyone (both males and females) should have civil rights and liberties.

[LaureenVO]

You have an interesting way of thinking. To be honest, by saying

" Okay men, i am sorry society taught you to man up. To not cry, to be strong, to look good, the fair of being a failure. That is absolutely awful. I know guys also can be insecure, even tho they never show it.“

I wanted to show that i also get your problems. I like to observe how humans act. That's what i do all the time haha. But i did see that a lot of guys/men have trouble with opening up. I actually talked to a lot on the internet and all of them said it's because society tells them to. And that they actually have a pressure on their back, to be strong all the time. Some men/guys are just scared or it makes them nervous. Anyways, what i am trying to say is that i don't want to make you weak. I don't think this is making someone weak. I just want to stand up for both genders with their own problem.

Secondly, i have seen a lot of people saying that. I now realise there are different kind of feminists. I just do not support those who want to be better than men.

I just want equality :( Not only in rights, but also the way woman get treated. Tysm for the reply.

[worldscolide]

"Sorry to break it to you, but that isn't a feminist. " You can say that all you like, it doesn't mean its true.. Some time in the future you should watch the red pill by Cassie Jaye.. Not because its an antifeminist movie.. In the movie she discusses why exactly she dropped feminism.. It wasn't because of some revelation, it was because of how the community treated her when she disagreed with them. Same for Christina Hoff Sommers (Professor at the American Enterprise Institute, Author of The War on Boys, and Feminist), and Erin Pizzey (founder of the first domestic violence shelter for women in the UK, and similarly ousted because she disagreed with feminists) for simply suggesting that women can be just as bad in lots of areas as men, if not worse.

Thats my issue with most feminists. I am very much a person that says "Mind a persons actions not just what they say, their behavior will betray the lies" I have watched what many feminists have to say, and their behavior screams that they dont believe the things they say.. I have seen how they treat their own when they disagree too. And i have seen them push things like what Anita Sarkeesian does stating that violence against women in video games amounts to rape or such nonsense.. when in reality if you're a gamer (been one since the 80's) None of us want politics in our games, and Statistically VASTLY more men die in games than women, but its only bad when women die.

Another thing i would point out.. You need to research your feminism a bit.. Take a look at the National Organization for Women (NOW The largest feminist organization on the planet). They actively push to make sure men do not get access to their children during divorce and post divorce regardless of weather or not the guy was abusive. They actively block legislation which would change the definition of rape to include men (as of right now the federal definition is written in such a way that only women can be raped).. they also block legislation which would block mothers from being able to choose weather or not to chip the tip of a baby's dick off (circumcision). If anything that decision should be MEN ONLY.. The above several paragraphs are exactly why, i see most, not all, but most feminists as simply liars fighting for things which they already have.. and fighting against things that would truly make us equal..

"Whenever a woman talks about men problems it's like, 'thank you for understanding' but when a woman talks about woman problems it's like, 'euh we also have problems? you really want more power huh?'"

This has not been my experience, nor the experience of most men.. When we get together to discuss our problems, Feminists protest, they riot, and they pull fire alarms to silence.. Take any time Jordan Peterson has spoken.. Men need people like him.. This is further enhanced by women trying very hard to get male only spaces and clubs shut down.. So when men feel like out spaces are shut down, of course we will invade your spaces.. I dont agree with this, this is just the rationale..

From this line forward "Who cares who has it harder? We should help each other out, not put each other down. Life is not men vs woman." I fully agree with you. You have done a good job on this..

[worldscolide]

Notice i didn't mention abortion once? Because More men than women support pro choice.. How is that for funny..

news.gallup.com/.../abortion-trends-gender.aspx

[LaureenVO]

Thank you for this big answer. It made me think. The feminists you have seen are still no feminists in my eyes. But maybe they are, i just don't agree with them. I do not support 'feminists' who put men down. Or who try to get all the power over their kid after a divorce. Both parents should have the right to see their child. Men need more rights for that one in my opinion. And thank you for saying i did a good job, that makes me happy to hear :)

[worldscolide]

Im glad you read my comment. Thanks for that, I was so scared it came across as insulting.. In any case it was a good read.. And you're one of the good ones.. So is @Agape93

Both of you in my opinion are the ones that make it so i dont hate feminism.. Just strongly dislike the extremists.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

That's just like saying masculinism is also equality. But really there should be only one.

[worldscolide]

@Aiko_E_Lara I dont understand what you mean here.

[LaureenVO]

Yea i get why men dislike some feminists. It's sad that a few woman gave it such a different negative meaning. Those mostly are the same woman who got heartbroken by 1 men and then say all men should die. You can't blame everyone for the same thing. Honestly feminism has become a wrong thing for so many people. But again, i do not support these feminists :)

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Well it's like this. If a feminist claims feminism is about equality, equality and feminism has an opposite. So what would masculinism be if that's their notions? That would be considered injustice and it shows double standards. When I said there's only one equality, Im talking about egalitarianism.

[worldscolide]

Thats what makes you one of the good ones. there are so many that are so full of hate.. And they get way more attention than they should.

[worldscolide]

@Aiko_E_Lara still dont get how this is relevant to my comment.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

except I wasn't talking to you.

[RickPen]

Here are some disparities between men and women, many based on my own experiences.
- Men have compulsory draft signup. They are fined and go to jail if they fail to comply. Women do not have this at all. Should a war break out, and the draft needed, men are expected to become cannon fodder. This is a doubly bad inequality for men, and one that is often ignored until recently.

- Rape and sexual assault. If men wear snug fitting clothing, it is assured that some woman (regardless of age) will grope them. In my experience, it is 100% of the time, and women simply brush off the man as always wanting sex, or if he disputes that, he is dismissed as an "incel" or "gay," and mocked accordingly. Furthermore the law does not recognize female on male rape, and barely functions in regards to men's sexual rights, even in childhood. Teachers who have sex with underage boys will receive a light sentence compared to men who would do the same with girls. In one case, the teacher became pregnant, and the boy became responsible for childcare once he turned 18, including back-pay if I remember correctly. This trails into the third. Female on male sexual abuse is rarely reported, and having spent years with a grandmother who visited that abuse on me, yet was defended, I can say that the legal system does not care about male children.

- Body autonomy. I have mentioned this often recently, but in America, male infants have their genitals forcibly cut, while female cutting is illegal. That violates the 14th amendment (equal protection), but is also sexist and misandrist.

- Job types and pay. Men have riskier jobs than women in general, and far more men die at them. Few seem to care.

- Violence expectation. Duluth model implementation in domestic violence assumes the male is responsible. I have seen my mother try to stab my dad and kill him. He defended himself as little as possible, and barely avoided arrest until my sister and I defended him. The result was that the police gave a severe warning to him, while supporting my crazy and malicious mother.

- Childcare; in a divorce, men will lose more than the woman if property is divided equally. She will usually win the house, as well as custody of the children, even if found to be less fit than the father. The father is expected to pay for childcare, and if he is unable, he is jailed. Women rarely receive this.

- Women receive lighter sentences than men for the same crime. Statistically proven. Men are more likely to be arrested or shot by officers than women.

[Nalix]

Thank you for sharing your perspective. I think other comments here have sufficiently covered the problems with the OP, but I'll go ahead and add to them. Suffice to say that equality is great, but feminism has never been about equality.

Even at the beginning, it was about giving women the same rights as men without the corresponding responsibilities. Like voting without mandatory draft inscription.

Modern feminism talks about equality, then makes moves towards supremacy. It's not enough that men and women be allowed to apply for the same kind of jobs, they have to actually get the jobs, and the the dangerous jobs that pay really well, but where men tend to die, but the comfortable air conditioned jobs.

When it comes to addressing men's problems feminism always goes after the problems that help men to become more like women, or the problems that they think men have, not the problems that men actually care about. When they want to talk about those problems within feminism they are silenced and mocked. When they try to form their own movements they are assaulted, shouted down, and get bomb threats. They definitely don't get the government funding and support that many feminist groups have.

But the cultural aspect is the worst part of it. The legal system is biased against men, but that's really only a reflection of the culture. Girls openly mock boys for being boys, and can wear clothing with phrases like "the future is female", "girl power", and "it's a girls world, boys just live there" without consequence. If a boy tried to wear something equivalent he would be crucified.

Teachers give sermons in schools blatantly mocking boys as inferior and upholding girls as superior. From an early age boys are hammered with hate and abuse from girls, and when they lash out they are blamed for expressing toxic masculinity. They are constantly told that if women ruled the world there would be no wars and that all the problems in the world are their fault.

Men and women need each other. We need to form stable families, support each other, love each other, and treat each other fairly. Women often don't see men's side of things until they have boys. Then they get attacked and silenced for defending their sons.

Then their sons grow up avoiding women because they don't want to risk getting close to someone who could destroy them at a whim. They have no motivation to understand or sympathize with women, and they repeat the mantras of female superiority that they've been taught, then they quietly disappear, leaving women to ask where are the men? They are hiding from you.

[genericname85]

ugh i just typed a 1000 word reply. turns out that's too long so here's my second attempt, trying to keep it as short as possible.

"Sorry to break it to you, but that isn't a feminist" the issue is that nobody has the authority to define what a feminist is. neither you nor anyone else. you can tell your opinion of what feminism should be but that means nothing to what feminism does mean. i can elaborate about the history and developments in feminism if you care.

men are more violent then women. that's why the perpetrators of violent crimes or rape are mostly men. that's not oppression. more men are in prison for that reason... nobody condones that behavior. men and women are equally often victims of violent crime as well as domestic violence. men are socialized not to hit women. some women abuse that, beating their husbands, never getting hit back. that is on paar with male doestic violence.
The reason for that are psychological traits that are more prevalent in men. those traits make it more likely for men to end up in prison and ironically

women actually earn more than men, if you control for same qualification and same hours worked per week. the gender pay gap exists because women "generally" CHOOSE lesser paid jobs. they have equal chances. equal opportunity. they just choose differently.

there is some discrimination in the work space, which i can talk about if you care to hear about it.

i'm not pulling the facts i say out of my ass by the way. i have an academic backround in social science. so i think it is in your best interest not to be wrong. i'm just trying to help you not to be wrong.

[LaureenVO]

Thank you so much for writing this again. I really appreciate that. I can see your point of view. But i also know that a lot of woman still get paid less. They literally compared it to men. But that might also depends on the job they have. Beside that i also am talking about how woman are being treaten in society. Everything i needed to say, i did in my mytake. still it's sad that some woman abuse their husband. We should raise more awareness for that because it's wrong.

Ty for the reply

[genericname85]

it certainly depends on the job they have. cause females in lower income jobs actually earn more than men or have to "do" less than men in order to earn the same. in higher income jobs, it is equal to the point of margin of error.

there are some statistical difference in income but those can mostly be ruled out if you account for hours worked and especially if you account for women generally being less aggressive, making them worse in wage negotiations. women that take classes in negotiation tactics earn as much or more than men. there can still be annecdotal evidence for a woman earning less than a man but this field is very well researched. and we know that men don't earn more than women if you account for important controll variables that account for gender differences that cause women and men to choose differently. i even researched that myself.

i forgot a part after "ironically". the same psychological traits that make men more likely to end up in prison, make them more likely to earn more and have higher position. it is not systemic oppression. it is gender differences.

of course women are treated different then men in society. cause they are not the same as men.

[Anonymous]

A lot of these arguments are made against feminism because of the entire feminist idea that we live in a patriarchy where men get all the advantages at the expense of women.

-“Sorry to break it to you but that isn’t a feminist” is a no true Scotsman fallacy as others have discussed.

-Antifeminists are all for equal rights everywhere so we find what happened in India detestable but we mainly find feminism to be wasting its time in a place like the US where women aren’t being stoned to death for accidentally showing skin.

-“Equal rights equal fights” as you said before refers to self defense but our point is that we shouldn’t let ourselves be sitting ducks to women who start fights thinking that we won’t finish them and that you win stupid prizes by playing stupid games.

-Your movement has been gaslighting you on the wage gap and has been doing so for over 50 years ever since the act of workplace discrimination has been made illegal. If corporations are so confident that they are above the law, they would never hire men because they know they can get away with paying women less and that means better profits for them.

-I know from your perspective it looks like we are making all this stuff about ourselves but the reason we are making these “we face this as well” statements is to show why the entire idea of patriarchy is nonsense.

-Life never was about men vs. women but feminism made it that way by introducing patriarchy theory and now made the male gender out to be the enemy. Believe me, we hate this shit too.

-The entire “man up” thing is to encourage stoicism, meaning not to let your thought process be taken over by emotions as that is where a lot of mistakes are made. It also teaches that we can be emotional but there are times where emotions would be a nuisance so you save it for a time where unleashing it would do the least amount of harm like being alone in your room.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

I believe in equality that's why im not a feminist. You see there are many kinds of feminists like those feminists who say it's ok to hate men, feminists who say they don't hate men, feminists who just want the trend, feminists who just say it's equality because it's mentioned in the dictionary or whatever. The only thing is that you all disagree on each other with one thing you have in common, believing we live in a patriarchal world where women are oppressed even if men are too that they have to call themselves feminist. It's more like defending the label instead of focusing on actual equality. So i call myself an egalitarian because i believe in equality but not a feminist. I can already see myself being backlashed for it.

[LaureenVO]

That's a very interesting point of view. To be honest i find it weird when people get mad because a man isn't a feminist. I mean, i will not support those men's, but i do not want them to become a feminist because we tell them to. That's just fake. However, i agree that there are a lot of different kinds of feminists. I do not support those who put down men, do it for the trend or don't even know what it actually is about. The word 'feminism' has become a bit toxic because of those kind of woman/(men). But i like your point of view. ty for the answer!

[Aiko_E_Lara]

So yeah what said still stands. There is only one equality there. Im trying to say feminism isn't exactly equality

[LaureenVO]

Okay i get it yea. Thanks for the answer!

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Sure you can call yourself a feminist because you're allowed to but that's just like for example I call myself a racist but I support all races.

[duneshandy]

Well this is not the middle east where women are are treated terrible. I think all humans no matter what deserve respect until they wrong you or do something to cause others pain emotionally or physically. Never put hands or mentally abuse anyone they are both bad and cause harm. Equality is here keep to it.

[LaureenVO]

Yes true! Totally agree

[TonyT1986]

Wise words. It’s reassuring to know that women want strong and successful men. Our instinct is to protect and empower the women in our lives, so to hear she is our cheerleader and wants a strong man by her side is great. If you look at vintage women who were fighting for equal rights they also understood how to be classy and respectful; such positive role models for all of us today.

[LaureenVO]

Yes. You can fight for equality, but be classy, respectful, kind, understanding. Ty for the reply!

[TonyT1986]

You are welcome. Too often fighting is a focus on bringing someone down. We need to remember to fight to elevate everyone.

[COMMODOREII]

I agree with you on some points. Especially how people are taking feminism out of context. Its not right women get treated the way they do. Its not right for anyone to hit anyone. If a woman hit or attacked me i would call the police and let them handle it. As for women handling birth, it is a scientific fact that women can handle pain better than memenBut basically i understand you and its good to know there are good people out there like you. 😎

[LaureenVO]

Thank you! Im happy to know someone read it all :)

[COMMODOREII]

Well you gave me no choice. Lol nah its cool. I like it.

[Pete671]

I believe in TRUE equality, in UK, it's great that straight couples can get a Civil Partnership now, not so great that women get state pension at an earlier age than men when women live longer,,,
I now support gay marriage now that straight people have equal rights re Civil Partnerships lol,,,

[not329446]

Your piece has a lot of merit.

There is no such thing as equality. Men are in some ways stronger and will always use it to manipulate women. I'm not saying it's right.
I am saying you can't stop it any more than you can stop sunrise.
Instead of serching for ways to work with differences everybody wants to continue a never-ending fight.

[LaureenVO]

Just because a man is physically stronger in general doesn't mean equality does not exist. Why would equality be based on psychical strength?

[not329446]

Physical strength is just one thing used to prevent you from achieving equality.

[msc545]

Feminists are garbage.

[LaureenVO]

Did you even read this?

[msc545]

I read it. The same old excuses and lies.

[LaureenVO]

Not really. I am not even using an excuse, i am explaining something. And what do you think is a lie?

[msc545]

"We just want to be treaten the same and have the same right. Just equality. " is a lie.

[LaureenVO]

It's not. For some it may is, i agree on that one. But i personally just want equality and nothing more. I want to laugh with guys without being called a whore. I just want equality

[msc545]

You may want that. Most feminists want a lot more than that.

[LaureenVO]

Yes there are different kind of feminists. I do not support those who want more

[msc545]

All of you want more, and want men to have less.

[LaureenVO]

Nope, you have met the wrong woman