July 4th. Why We Across The Pond Don't Give a Shit.

[purplepoppy]

I'm not an American so here's a British view of the war of independence you might not have considered. Please feel free to be triggered

IT'S FRENCH PROBLEM

Britain and France have been consistently at war with each other for centuries. It all starts with a broken promise when the Saxon Harold grabs the throne that was allegedly promised to William. There's a big fight in 1066 and Britain comes under Norman rule. This settles who actually owns Britain, the Saxon, Viking or Norman but sets up a whole new string of problems

JEREMY KYLE WILL SORT THEM OUT

This creates a complex network of bloodlines, loyalties, treaties etc across both countries. Dysfunctional inbred families who just happen to have armies. In the uk your never a from a battlefield with a plaque saying something like "here in xxxx over 5000 men died in a battle over a haircut....." Ok thats bit of an exaggeration but it's kinda true, Britain is full of battlefields where Lord whatshis name clashes with the earl of whatever over something minor and thousands get hacked to death.

THE MAGNA CARTA. BASICALLY TOILET PAPER BUT IT COMES IN HANDY

A monument to Britains most important legal document erected by the Americans

Ironically it's a little punch up in 1215 that led to the creation of the Magna Carta which effectively gave America the legal right to be pissed off. While most British battlefields are marked with a tiny bronze plaque the site of the signing of the Magna Carta has a huge monument which was erected by the American bar association.

These days despite the Magna Carta being nothing more than a historical legal document, long replaced by countless updated laws, whenever a British citizen thinks he's got a right to do something but doesn't know why he'll quote the Magna Carta.

BACK TO FRANCE

Kings would always find an excuse to have a war with france, claiming a birth right because some distant cousins were allegedly once promised something. " Cousin Kenny 12 times removed and dead for 50 years was once promised a bit of land for a blow job so lets send thousands to their death It wasn't until 1800 that British kings stopped claiming they ruled France.

In fact Britain and France were rarely at peace. Even when the two became further separated they always found an excuse to have a war. By the time the 18th century comes around France has grown into a huge and powerful military force only a short hop across the channel a few miles away. If you look at the dates of wars between Britain and France at that time you can see there was very little peace just war after war.

1702–1713
1744–1748
1746–1763 Carnatic Wars
1756–1763 Seven Years' War
1778–1783 the one Americans remember
1793–1802 french revolution wars
Finally ending in the Napoleonic wars of 1803–1815

IN CONCLUSION, HISTORY JUST CONFUSES US

The truth of the matter is although it was a shame to lose the Americas people at the time were more concerned about the French and the risk of invasion. Maintaining a war in a distant land effectively against your own people just wasn't cricket.

Britain had been fighting countless wars and battles over the centuries, both winning and losing, and well the American war of independence just kind of gets lost among them. Our coastline still has the ruins of forts with cannons pointing out to sea, once deadly weapons now nothing more than toys for children to climb on. We walk past memorials in streets to soldiers fallen in wars few of us even know the dates of let alone the reason. Your insignificant part in our war with France ended with your independence but for us it continued until the defeat of Napoleon.

So enjoy your temporary independence, now the wars with France are over we might just come back

Local cannons once pointed at the French and Americans now used by children to shoot at ferries.

[scholastic_vibez]

I have a degree in history, but as an American I look at The American Revolution unconventionally as "The 2nd English Civil War," which is a valid viewpoint, but it's never been trendy in academic circles.

I had this British history professor who agreed with my outlook. He pointed out that during an period when Britain was in chaos from the time of Charles Stewart I losing the throne to the dictatorship of Oliver Cromwell, and The Restoration, the American colonies were largely abandoned to take care of themselves. And, we did pretty well at self-governance, town hall meetings to vote on everything etc. Then when the British authorities got their house in order, and started bossing us around again, we Americans said, we don't need you. We've been doing great for ourselves while you sorted out your period of anarchy.

Yes, the taxation without representation thing to pay for the debt of The French - Indian War was understandable to a point, and might have even been resolved possibly. But, forcing the colonists to house British soldiers without compensation, and/or subsidies from the crown was too infuriating. The straw that really broke the camel's back though was that The British signed a treaty with the Native American tribes that said the colonies would not expand settlements west of a certain line.

The First English Civil War didn't resolve a lot of things in terms of rights that the American Revolution would hammer out later. Under King William of Orange, and Mary, the British had a Bill of Rights, and a Constitution (we Americans borrowed these terms liberally when we repealed our original government outline: The Articles of Confederation in 1787). The English Bill of Rights declared that 1) No more Catholic kings, no royals would marry Catholics (James I was thought to have been a secret Catholic). 2) No monarch shall abolish Parliament (Charles I, Charles II). 3) No monarch shall be above the laws of Parliament (Charles I, and II respectively)...

So, in a nutshell, The British only ever got a limit on their government, and a limit on the power their leaders held. But, the British never really got much in the way any rights such as free speech, freedom of religion (you sort of "solved" that problem by establishing colonies along religious lines though; *Sarcasm* Hey, Lord Baltimore, we have all these Catholic heretics. It would be a shame to throw all of them in The Tower of London. Can you take them to Maryland, make sure they pay taxes, and keep them from causing trouble with the Protestant colonies? Lord Baltimore: Hell yeah!).

Don't get me wrong, you have made a few improvements along the way. For instance, when there are certain fundamental differences between the political parties, your prime minister can dissolve Parliament, and call for new elections to get a ruling majority. Nancy Pelosi, and Chuck Schumer can't do that here in the states. Although, we still have the fillibuster for now. But, then as my British professor pointed out, "When I am in The U. K. I am "a subject" not a citizen. I disagree. I don't want to be subjected to the abuse of government. As a citizen in America, I am part of the process of government, I am not subjected to the abuse of it."

[scholastic_vibez]

Correction, Britain has freedom of religion now, but you don't have freedom FROM religion with the Queen being the head of The Church of England. You can't or have no desire to vote the queen out of being the head of the church, or even voting away with a state church altogether. Why would you? You're comfortable because it's tradition, and customary. Statistically, how many people really attend The Church of England every Sunday anyway? The turnout probably isn't that high anyway, so in that sense what does it really matter?

Although, if the American government had tried to establish a state religion, and favored one over another, all those colonies founded along religious lines I mentioned before would have been having wars of religion between them, and that was a nasty affair in Europe we didn't really want to repeat. We have presidents that are more nominally religious than others, George W. Bush, Ronald Reagan, and Jimmy Carter is an ordained minster post-presidency. But, as far as religious acts of state they only ceremonially do that isn't really at the expense of tax payers like pardoning a turkey from being put to death on Thanksgiving, having the National Prayer Breakfast where he meets various religious leaders of importance, mostly televangelists, and evangelicals. Although, this is all voluntary, not official acts of state. He can opt of the traditions if he so chooses.

[scholastic_vibez]

I should add @purplepoppy That while The Magna Carta is little more than a footnote in history, it had very major implications for British Common Law, and American Common Law statutes that we now take for granted. It established the idea of a trial by jury, and small claims court, and financial restitution. But, Magna Carta was only the apotheosis of those concepts. In actuality The Norse, and Anglo Saxons were administering those legal precepts as far back as The Viking Age. You can even see a demonstration of it in the first episode of the first season of Vikings of History Channel. The Jarl/Godi (district judge/priest/village head all in one): You the plaintiff say that the defendant owes you financial compensation for killing your servant. You, the defendant claim you you can't afford to pay the plaintiff because you are already paying off another fine from an unrelated case. I rule in light of the evidence that you will pay restitution to the plaintiff for killing his servant. Fast forward to any American small claims court reality tv show like Judge Judy, and she's doing the same legal role the Norse jarl did in the past.

[OlderAndWiser]

You cared about us when Hitler was bombing London!

[Bluemax]

I think the author has missed the point. America's independence was vital to not just English history, but world history. It has nothing to do with the actual fight.

I did an exercise in my class about this. I asked students to pick countries. Any country they like, but would ask them to pick again if it was a country that didn't exist in 1776. I would then go through the list and tell them the type of government each one had. Monarchies were so prevalent that it's almost a given that any country back then had a hereditary monarch at its helm. And they weren't mere figureheads as most contemporary monarchies are today. Then I examine the types of government those countries have today. The results astonish the kids! Most have one form or another of a representative democracy.

I remind them that America certainly didn't invent democracy, and that it had existed for thousands of years prior to our revolution. But it wasn't widespread.

Come the revolution, all of the sudden within decades in many cases democracies started blossoming around the world.

Coincidence? I think not.

Our constitution is not just important for our history, but all the world's history. Today, it is amazing how many countries have constitutions which very closely resemble ours. Some cases the resemblance is word for word. No less than Benjamin Disraeli, an English prime minister, would call the U. S. Constitution one of the greatest works of all time.

The greatest thing about the American revolution wasn't that a bunch of Yanks beat the redcoats on the field of battle. It's greatest accomplishment was that it served as a wakeup call heard 'round the world, pushing it towards more representational forms of government.

[OlderAndWiser]

@Bluemax That is an excellent point to make with your students and anyone else who will listen!

[goaded]

@OlderAndWiser You didn't join the war until after the Blitz and Battle of Britain, but you were very welcome!

@Bluemax The power of the British monarchy had been reduced by the Magna Carta in 1215, then by the Petition of Right in the 1628, the civil war, and so on. The American revolution was an important event, but it wasn't the first, by half a millennium, and it wasn't necessarily the most important (although I admit, I incorrectly had in mind that the French revolution came first). The U. S. Constitution is certainly one of the greatest works of all time, but it was written at a time when people regarded honour as important, which has lead to some serious flaws being made apparent in recent years, in my opinion.

[Oram52]

@Bluemax "Come the revolution, all of the sudden within decades in many cases democracies started blossoming around the world. "

Democracies would've blossomed regardless if their was America or not. Precursor was/is Enlightenment and Enlightenment Values, not America or its constitution. Which is enshrining those same rights derived from Enlightenment Values, written by Classical Liberals you call Founding Fathers, ie Thomas Jefferson.

Who knows what the world may or may not have looked like without America, but Liberal Democracies would have spread regardless.

[Gal67]

It was the RAF that defeated the Luftwaffe, without any assistance from you lot, so give credit where it's due.

[OlderAndWiser]

@Gal67 Yes, but when the bombing of London started, Sir Winston Churchill started asking the US for aid and we began sending tanks, aircraft, ships, weapons, road building supplies, clothing, chemicals and food to England. Tht was long before the US entered the war in Europe.

[Bee-Hatch]

For a long time most British folk didn't know that it had happened (Google this - it's a fact, before you get all faux insulted and get all shouty in response). You need to look in terms of context of the era.



After Britain ran legalised looting and piracy of Spanish ships to get a shit load of free gold, it started to build an empire with its I'll gotten gains. It took parts of America in the land grab of the time on the new continent. Then we get to the revolutionary war in America. Britain was also at this time, at war with Napoleon across Europe. All sides in America lost about 20,000 people. Compare this with 3.5 million in the Napoleonic wars. America was an under developed backwater in comparison with the powerhouse of Europe at the time. And let's be blunt the way the British empire had been built, America was one of many countries. The real Jewel of the colonial crown was the pre partition land mass that was India with its raw materials, spices, silks and all important tea. America had a similar importance in the big British picture as New Zealand or South Africa - handy as a staging post to the Royal Navy when policing the world, and a good low level money earner but not significant in the grand scheme. Losing America just wasn't so significant, as Britain still had Canada and the Caribbean there across the Atlantic serving the same role to the Royal Navy. So in essence a small dispute got a little bloody and a minor territory was lost, a small percentage of the annual income was lost, no biggie. In Britain it just didn't get noticed by the man in the street, when day to day you'd see the shattered remains of broken men sent home from the Napoleonic fronts.


So why did the people of Britain finally discover that there had been a war of independence? In short Hollywood and another war.


Films coming from over the Atlantic and then talkies Of the early 1920s depicting the Americans celebrating something unknown from history. Add to this world war one and the eventual joining by America on the battlegrounds of Europe and the word git out about a largely forgotten war.


Today in Britain we have awareness that Americans do stuff on July 4th relating to their independence. And after that it goes hazy.


Our school system only has one kind of history - "History" there's no demarcation between world and national history. So a minor dispute in a foreign land just doesn't flick the important-o-meter needle when there's major events that shaped and defined the world today like world wars, the medieval dynasties the fucked up things the church got up to.


This doesn't mean I don't I have a problem with America, it's citizens and their national culture, events and institutions. But maybe a perspective of how it was viewed in terms of its context of the time from the other side might help here.

[purplepoppy]

It's worth remembering that there are British children now who think the Nazis are just characters in movies.

[SlightlyEccentric]

Actually we had already signed the Paris Treaty with Britain to conclude the American Revolution years before Napoleon rose to power. Napoleon was fighting Britain, Prussia, Austria, Sweden and Russia in the early 1800's. The American Revolution led to the French Revolution which is when Napoleon began to gain his fame.

[Adam_West]

I disagree with what you wrote.
But first of all, congratulations on our independence day, my dear compatriots!

I am speaking of a American Revolution; but this revolutionary process in America had a particular character of its own, which may have been the reason why the outside world and so many of our fellow-countrymen failed to understand the profound nature of the transformation that took place. I do not deny that this peculiar feature, which has been for us the most outstanding characteristic of the lines along which the American Revolution took place--a feature which we can be specially proud of--has hindered rather than helped to make this unique historic event understood abroad and among some of our own people. For the American Revolution was in itself a revolution in the revolutionary tradition.

What I mean is this: Throughout thousands of years the conviction grew up and prevailed, not so much in the America mind as in the minds of the contemporary world, that bloodshed and the extermination of those hitherto in power--together with the destruction of public and private institutions and property--were essential characteristics of every true revolution. Mankind in general has grown accustomed to accept revolutions with all these consequences somehow or other as if they were legal happenings. I do not mean that people endorse all this tumultuous destruction of life and property; but they certainly accept it as the necessary accompaniment of events which, because of this very reason, are called revolutions.

Herein lies the difference between the American Revolution and other revolutions, with the exception of the Fascist Revolution in other countries. The American Revolution was almost entirely a bloodless proceeding. When the party took over power in America, after overthrowing the very formidable obstacles that had stood in its way, it did so without causing any damage whatsoever to property. I can say with a certain amount of pride that this was the first revolution in which not even a window-pane was broken.

Don't misunderstand me however. If this revolution was bloodless that was not because we were not manly enough to look at blood.

I was a soldier for more than four years in a war where more blood was shed than ever before throughout human history. I never lost my nerve, no matter what the situation was and no matter what sights I had to face. The same holds good for my party colleagues. But we did not consider it as part of the program of the American Revolution to destroy human life or material goods, but rather to build up a new and better life. And it is the greatest source of pride to us that we have been able to carry through this revolution, which is certainly the greatest revolution ever experienced in the history of our people, with a minimum of loss and sacrifice. Certain other individuals of a naturally undisciplined temperament, and who had no political consciousness whatsoever, had to be taken into protective custody; but, generally speaking, these individuals were given their freedom after a short period. Beyond this there was a small number who took part in politics only for the purpose of establishing an alibi for their criminal activities, which were proved by the numerous sentences to prison and penal servitude that had been passed upon them previously. We prevented such individuals from pursuing their destructive careers, inasmuch as we set them to do some useful work, probably for the first time in their lives.

[Lliam]

I enjoyed reading that. It was very entertaining and quite accurate as far as it went. Your description of kings and wannabe kings was right on the mark.

I have some additional impressions of England:
Aristocracy. Anglocentrism. Arrogance.
Imperialism and pride of empire. Plunder, destruction of civilizations and murder of millions.
Citizens being considered "subjects" of the crown and being okay with that.

The value of American independence from England was in the founding documents that the independence effort inspired: The human ideals set down in the Declaration of Independence and Bill of Rights. The Constitution (and Bill of Rights) are the law of the land. They created a government of the people, not of kings. They set limits on government authority.

Granted, the words in the documents were idealistic. Some of those ideals, such as "all men are created equal" were conveniently ignored. But they gave a legal basis and justification for the successful struggles (by citizens) that followed: Women's rights, equal rights for people of African descent, etc.

Granted, our government was and is vulnerable to corruption. It has become captured by the aristocracy of those with the most money. It adopted neoliberalism and also became the new British empire in the second half of the 20th century.
I can't fail to mention that it was imperialistic from the start.

But when I think of the 4th of July, I don't think of independence from England. I blow my nose at England. I think of the documents on which this country was founded. They are and have always been something to aspire to. THEY, not administrations or military might, are what makes America great.

[Leavesbound]

Of course nobody who is not an American would care and we wouldn't expect you to. It's our holiday. I am sure you have holidays we don't care about and the proof of that is I can't think of any.

Funny story, in 1763 Spain ceded Florida to the British. Most of the Spanish fled for Cuba. My Spanish ancestor, being an opportunistic mercenary, decided to hang around and see if he could exploit the situation. He owned a rather large cattle ranch so he ended up being a supplier to the British army. But he could see which way the wind was blowing. Meanwhile the British had captured two signers of the Declaration of Independence and were holding them at what they called Fort St. Mark's. (Castillo De San Marco, which is the oldest fortified structure in north America). So my ancestor dressed up like a fat female prostitute and knocked on the fort door and requested permission to offer "her" services to the two prisoners. He was given entry and then took out women's clothing from under his dress and gave it to the two prisoners and a short while later three not fat prostitutes emerged and casually strolled out of the fort and down the street to a ship that my ancestor had waiting and he and his two charges escaped and sailed north to a very grateful South Carolina. Then my ancestor went back home to St. Augustine to continue selling beef to the British army at inflated prices as though nothing had happened. Meanwhile the British there were very confused how two prisoners could have disappeared out of their cell.

[acooke-13]

You celebrate other countries holidays right?

[Iron_Man]

@acooke-13 get lost hater Don’t ever come over here

[Leavesbound]

@acooke-13 I celebrate New Years, St. Patrick's Day (I am 43% ethnic Irish), Memorial Day, Independence Day, Labor Day, Halloween, Columbus Day, Veteran's Day, Thanksgiving, and Christmas. Except for St. Patrick's Day and Halloween, all are national holidays. I celebrate Halloween for fun. Several of these are celebrated by other nations. None are owned by any particular nation.

[acooke-13]

@Iron_Man I’m living here currently Lol

[Iron_Man]

@acooke-13 Then come visit me

[acooke-13]

@Iron_Man Nah, I'm good thanks!

[abc3643]

I was happy to have been alive during the 800th Anniversary of the Magna Carta.
Arguably, it is the most important social document of the Second Millennium.

This article from 2015 does a nice job explaining its relevance.
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https://www.bl.uk/magna-carta/articles/why-magna-carta-still-matters-today
Why Magna Carta still matters today

Article written by:Justin Fisher
Theme:Magna Carta today
Published:13 Mar 2015

Why does Magna Carta matter 800 years after it was first sealed? Looking at Magna Carta as a document of historical and legal significance, Professor Justin Fisher explores the evolution of our rights and freedoms, and examines the relevance of the Great Charter today.

Magna Carta is a cornerstone of the individual liberties that we enjoy, and it presents an ongoing challenge to arbitrary rule. But over time, while not envisaged at the time of its drafting, Magna Carta has for many been seen not only as a foundation of liberty, but also one of democracy. And this broader notion of the wider significance of Magna Carta makes it especially relevant today. It is perhaps easiest to think of Magna Carta in two ways: first, as a document of historical and legal significance; and secondly, as a principle underlying how we live, through equality under the rule of law and through accountability. Magna Carta matters both for what it said in 1215 and, perhaps more significantly now, for what it has come to symbolise.

...
Magna Carta continues to be of great relevance to us all. It is the foundation of liberty and arguably, ultimately, of democracy.

[Trex706]

Lol if you don't give a shit then why did you write all of this? It immediately shows that you clearly give many many shits about a day most Americans spend bbqing and swimming while getting drunk and blowing shit up.

I could read what you wrote but why the fuck would I an American give a shit about the opinion of a British person when it comes to a holiday created in rememberence of Americans telling the British to fuck off?

It's literally the "fuck off you British colonizing bastards we aren't gonna listen to what you have to say anymore" holiday

The only way to honor this day is to ignore you in 2021 just like we did in 1776. Why don't you people worry about Brexit or the fact that prince Charles and Philip are both pure trash humans that you let represent your country as royalty even though one is a racist asshole snob and the other was fucking underage teens on Epstein island for decades with 0 consequence even though it's known he was fucking kids, thousands of kids, who were trafficked for sex with elites. Even Harry who is literally royalty and can live the ultimate life of luxury left the kingdom to live as an average American because being a regular American is still better than being a young handsome wealthy beloved prince who lives as royalty in the kingdom of his own motherland.

by the way, how many of the Beatles still live in the UK. What about Led Zep? Or Ozzy? Or the who? Why do 90% of your rockstars live in the USA now?


Nobody gives a fuck what your opinion is. The most influential, wealthy, and we'll known people from the UK will be here celebrating with us tommarow.

God Bless the USA. God bless Independence day, The official fuck the British holiday

[Exterminatore]

You need a history lesson.


First of all in 1066 Anglo Saxon England died. There was no dispute over who owned England at that point. It was clearly the Normans and by extension the Plantagenet kings, who were also the Dukes of Normandy until the King of France crushed Normandy due to your King John’s inept rule. Also William the Conqueror and King Edward (the confessor) were cousins. William was Edwards nearest living relative as Edward died childless and had a legit claim on the throne whether or not it was promised to him. Edward spent far more time in Normandy than England and the Pope even gave William his blessing to invade England as he had a legit claim and Harold Godwinson did not.


Most of the Norman and Plantagenet kings did have legit claims and reasons for war. It was never as simple or frivolous as a battle over a hair cut or some other mamby pamby nonsense.


The Magna Carta did not give America legal right to revolt. They had been governing themselves independently for over 100 years, and taxing themselves. The resented the British attempting to tax them for the 7 years War (French and Indian War). That’s what gave them legal right. Not the Magna Carta. The Magna Carta was simply an attempt of nobles to limit corrupt and inept King John’s (Lackland) authority.

[Anonymous]

I'm a Chinese American and I don't care that much for America but I dislike Britain more. In the long term there was no realistic way for the UK to control the entirety of North America from its inconsequential island. It has nothing to do with France. It has to do with the inevitability of failure for long-distance, one-sided control.

Spain, Portugal, the Netherlands they all eventually lost control of their colonies. Whether it was through war or protest the outcome is essentially the same. UK is no different and nothing special.

[Opinion Owner]

wow thank you for the upvote!

[purplepoppy]

Well what you said is true

[Opinion Owner]

Yes but America has less identity than UK I guess. In the long term I think it will descend back into native American tribes. Except it will be probably be post-apocalyptic times by then. Just my random thoughts ok.

[johnsmithjs]

Then go live in china you piece of shit. Pack your shit and go. You can go to China where they have murdered millions of female babies because the 1 child policy. You fuckers are the worst, you are a short dicked, lame as piece of shit. Actually, even better, why don't you just put a bullet in your tiny skull.

[Opinion Owner]

@johnsmithjs wow idiot I’m trying to compliment america with my response why don’t you choke on your own blood you fuckturd. Reported and blocked.

[Opinion Owner]

Wow reading through all your comments you really are an insulting piece of shit hard to believe you’re already 41 what a waste of Human Resources. Please just die.

[johnsmithjs]

If that was a compliment then keep your compliments to yourself and move to China. If you don't like the United States then change where you call home. Quit calling yourself Chinese-American since you hate America then call yourself CHINESE. You do not deserve the title of being called an American. Fucking looser!

[Opinion Owner]

@johnsmithjs sure that’s fine with me that I’m not “American” but I’m not forcing myself to move just because you are having a hissy fit. If being American is being a stupid white person like you then I’m glad I’m not “American”. I have my own unique identity that’s not really normal American OR normal Chinese and that’s fine.

[johnsmithjs]

Exactly, you are to much of a coward to move to communist China, they would have you in a re-education camp the second you moved there. Do us all a favor and just say THANK-YOU. In the mean time just call yourself a Communist Chinese piece of shit and leave the American label for Americans.

[Opinion Owner]

@johnsmithjs I’m proud of China it’s kicking your butt in 9/10 categories. I have no problem living in China once I have enough money to retire. I’ve lived in China before and have family there and so it’s no major problem of adjustment. Honestly I’d rather live in a glitzy city in China than 80% of the shitstain that is the United States middle of nowhere fatass Indiana or something. You’re trying to insult me but I just see it all as compliments and you as highly brainwashed and ill developed.

[Opinion Owner]

And honestly I have no problem against america if you read my original post my complaints were all against the UK. I actually think Americans are less arrogant and annoying than brits. So to me America is a net positive I feel like you’re getting riled up for no reason

[JackSmy]

Thanks for that wretchedly long, tirade, of how the English have essentially fallen from "Empire" to the "punch-line" of jokes!! God save the Queen and that lot, as the foolish lot you have become!!
"Impotent" comes to mind, like a gelded HORSE, and forcefully KICKED THE FUCK OUT of just about EVERY place, you claimed, planting that rage of a flag!!
The Indians kicked you out!! LOL!! Ghandi, and NON-VIOLENCE!!
Sounds like "sour grapes" babe, and the US saved your FUCKING ass in BOTH GREAT WARS!!
You would be speaking GERMAN, now, if we didn't save your ass!!
Piss off with your judgmental crap, and just say "THANK YOU" that you still live free, thanks to the US!!

[acooke-13]

This is the funniest response 😂 you
Bit hard

[NightHawk99]

DAMN NIGGA CHILL 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[SlightlyEccentric]

@JackSmy smashing the fuck out of sour Brit losers lol

[JackSmy]

@NightHawk99 Don't tell me Chill, and please don't call me "Nigga"! OK, I think that is an offensive term, even meant to be a term of endearment, among FRIENDS!
Bitch called out the US, and said a lot of shit, so it is only right, standing up, for the US, and all of us, of EVERY RACE, to reply with what I said!!
Poppy talks a lot of SMACK, A LOT, just to piss people off!

[JackSmy]

@SlightlyEccentric What did I say, that wasn't TOTALLY TRUE? She likes to talk shit, about America, and that's bullshit!!
I actually quite like the Brits, and have dated several English, and Irish women!!
But they never talked shit about the US!

[NightHawk99]

@JackSmy I apologize for da slang but yea I see whatchu mean. But what I mean is GODDAMN you gave her a whole ass whoopin 20 times over with different kinda objects.

God bless America.

[JackSmy]

@NightHawk99 Peace, my friend. . .

[tatianamay]

damn, savage

[tatianamay]

just a small correction, its Gandhi*

[JackSmy]

@NightHawk99 I said it before, STOP CALLING ME "Nigga"!! IT IS OFFENSIVE!! I'm not Black, and that is OFFENSIVE!!!
Maybe make a point, and comment, like a REAL MAN, and say why you have an issue with why I posted that!!
Some people do this "discussion" thing, and learn about each other's perspectives!

[NightHawk99]

I didn't say nuthin

[hellionthesagereborn]

Why do other nations think we believe they care about the fourth of July? Of course you don't, its our independence day and it has nothing to do with you. No American gives a shit about your opinion on us. Although to be fair if Britain really didn't want the US back, they wouldn't have come back in 1812 in an attempt to reconquer it (hoping we had fallen apart without them which turned out to not be the case). But yeah, thanks for the history lesson (you didn't mention the hundred years war though), I just don't understand why people who don't care have to go out of their way to explain why they don't care, at great length and detail, to reassure all of us americans that they don't care about something we never asked their opinion on to begin with.

[Mir95]

It's not right to talk about a country's independence day in this way. Especially when they got independence from your ancestors. By talking like this, you're not only demeaning Independence day of USA but also other countries who got independence from British.

This almost pro colonialist. Even though Europeans and American governments still have the colonialist mindset in the way they carry out their operations around the world.

The British committed numerous atrocities during their colonial times. Even if you're not ashamed of your country's colonial past, at least don't act like you're proud of it.

Just a picture here to remind you of the atrocities committed by London.

[mistixs]

"July 4th. Why We Across The Pond Don't Give a Shit." Are there actually Americans who expect non-Americans to care about our independence day?

[purplepoppy]

Probably not, just thought it be entertaining for Americans to see the othersides view point

[Waldoe]

LOL... Thanks for the History Lesson, very interesting. All Jokes aside, we will always have "Your Backs", because you are our "English Cousins". WWI and WWII are HUGE examples where we pulled your Irons out of the Fire... We mat argue like family, but we still "Care"... God Bless

[VanillaSalt]

Well common back if you ever wanna try again… but watch it. Only ones been dumb enough to attack mainland America and his ass got bombed into oblivion. Japan hit Pearl Harbor and lost the war 4 years later after just 2 bombs. We’re armed and your pansy asses arnt. Come get some you British cock sucker.

[Gal67]

Don't be stupid. We don't even want your silly little colonies!

[Bluemax]

My father's side of the family is all English. I would often joke with my students about having relatives who fought in the revolution... but they wore red coats!

My Aunt and uncle would always joke, "It's the day we got rid of you. "

[Julielamar2]

Haha it's funny, i'm Frenchwoman. That made me laugh. You could have started our wars from Louis XIV to Napoleon. I know Historians speak of a second hundred year war between us two countries.


For American independence we are just going there to take our revenge on the Seven Years War.


Perfidious Albion, don't you think the world would be a better place if my emperor had won? 😅

[Still-alive]

Lol revenge. Good one :p

[Julielamar2]

@Still-alive Yes that's the only reason for our help 🤣 I know it's more heroic to say that we come to defend a people who were fighting for freedom lol. The only one who was honest was Lafayette

[Still-alive]

Just remember it was you french that saved our asses from those damned redcoats in our war for independence

[Julielamar2]

Ah yes lol, the worst is that in the end it was the English who signed trade agreements with the USA, us we got nothing 😭🤣

[Still-alive]

Yeah you got a revolution yourself like 6 years later

[Julielamar2]

What is good is that during our revolution we were killing each other 🤣 and in addition we were fighting against Europe. Ah the good old days

[johnsmithjs]

You are a 21 year old CHILD, I do not know any American that gives a shit what your little cunt ass has to say about how we kicked your ancestors asses. You need to close your stupid mouth and just say THANK-YOU for us Americans saving your stupid asses in 2 world wars. If it was not for us you stuck up assholes would be speaking german. So from this American to you, "GO FUCK YOURSELF".

[acooke-13]

You say 'Us Americans' asif you did absolutely anything to contribute. You are the American that clearly gives a shit what this girl has said or you wouldn't be so triggered.

[joeblow123]

@acooke-13

Because we love our country and we will stand up for it. She even said she would like to revert us back to a British colony. We won't let that happen.

[SlightlyEccentric]

I like how we continue to live rent free in the minds of sour Brits. Sour because they once ruled 1/4 of the entire world at one point and are now reduced to their stubby little island that is no bigger than the state of Michigan. We kicked your ass twice, we saved your ass twice and have proven without a shadow of a doubt we are your successors on the world stage. Maybe someday you'll stop living under the rule of a monarch and get with the 21st century.

[joeblow123]

@SlightlyEccentric

Put the Royal Family to work at Walmart or Target. The younger members of the Royal Family can stock shelves while putting the queen to work as a greeter.

[Twalli]

I think the USAF has leg up on the RAF. Also the US has bigger nukes.

[purplepoppy]

The USAF actually bombed a British RAF base in Wales. It was supposed to be an electronic target training exercise but someone forgot to tell the pilot.