Another step forward: From walking in the shadow of men to being equals (Page 2)

[PAcc92]

Men are slaves for war, 80% of suicides, 92% of workplace deaths, 99% of combat deaths, 72% of the homeless.

All you've shown are women are incapable of empathy. A man can be enslaved, die of hunger, all without a roof over your head and your only thought is " WOMEN WEAR BIKINIS!".

Fucking shameful.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Hey next time you want to debate and start off with stats, don't ruin your whole post by being an ass at the end. I'm going to overlook it though and assume you can be an adult about this. If you want to ACTUALLY discuss this, I'll be glad to but if not and you just want to act like a child, ill treat and make it very clear in my responses that I see you as one.

That being said, men were also the ones enslaving other men. Women didn't do that to you.

Yes the suicide rates are higher, but again suicide is usually an act of desperation and hopelessness. I FIRMLY place this in the camp of men being taught to push down their feelings rather than express them openly. Again, this is toxicity from other men at play. "Man up" or "stop acting like a girl" seem to be common insults thrown at men who do try to express themselves. Now it has become "simps" and "cucks" for guys who show empathy and compassion for women for something outside of a sexual object. Maybe talk to your gender about fixing that and stop making it toxic for each other and suicide rates would go down. Stop stigmatizing mental health care for those who need it. Women are just as depressed but we tend to live for others needs and not always our own.

Combat deaths is a TERRIBLE stat, so let me fix it for you. Women in military service had been exceedingly rare throughout time so of course that number is gonna be skewed. What you don't count in that is the women who were raped, killed or placed into slavery when their men were overcome. We didn't exactly have it easy there either thanks.

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[Ez-Bri-Z]

The homelessness issue I'll totally give you. Women are able to find different forms of work that men can't in an emergency. They are also able to marry for security rather than love where most men can't. This is obviously unbalanced and should be fixed but if I'm being honest, I dont have a strong answer as to how.

You did however miss the entire point of this story because you only looked at a bikini and got sidetracked thinking that was the message. The message is that women are taking additional stances to claim back their bodies from men. Whether it be a team uniform (bikini) or by calling out hypocrisy from school administrators censoring photos of young women who weren't exposing anything but allowing guys in speedos in the same yearbook without censoring.

The main point is that this kind of thing happens to us ALL the time. The photo I have posted in my profile picture has either been criticized (and me being called slut/whore) for being too sexualized because it has some cleavage in it or it has had men sending me messages wanting to hook up and be extremely vulgar even when I have said I'm not sexually interested in men. Even when I am crystal clear I'm not interested they persis and try to invite themselves to me or my wife.

That's what the article talks about. Stop focusing on "it's just a bikini" and focus instead on how the women here are refusing to let men claim ownership to their bodies anymore. We aren't here to be your eye candy. We aren't here to serve you. We can be partners if you treat us like one, but we are getting final say in how we dress and act and the choices we make for our bodies. For those who think otherwise, you'll be called out as well.

So good on these women for standing up for themselves. That is the whole idea of this article.

[PAcc92]

I lost part of my post due to it failing to submit, but I suggest looking up looking up the White Feather campaign - a campaign run by feminists to enslave male draft survivors for war by ostracizing them from society.

Women are manipulators, they don't sully their own hands but the hands of others, women primarily engage in Proxy Violence.

[PAcc92]

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On Combat Deaths:

Because women are treated as more valuable, they are coddled and protected, never allowed to fail.

"What you don't count in that is the women who were raped, killed or placed into slavery when their men were overcome."

So you admit that women only suffer once all the men are dead, I'd rather be raped or enslaved than choke to death on mustard gas.
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[PAcc92]

On homelessness:

"The homelessness issue I'll totally give you. Women are able to find different forms of work that men can't in an emergency. They are also able to marry for security rather than love where most men can't. This is obviously unbalanced and should be fixed but if I'm being honest, I dont have a strong answer as to how. "

Men can't marry for security because Men aren't considered human beings, only women are, men are only valued by women for their money or their sacrifice. Women view men as ATMs because women have never been taught to treat Men as equals. Women commit the vast majority of domestic violence:

From the study:
"Almost 24% of all relationships had some violence, and half (49.7%) of those were reciprocally violent. In nonreciprocally violent relationships, women were the perpetrators in more than 70% of the cases."

[US National Library of Medicine, Institute of Health - Differences in Frequency of Violence and Reported Injury Between Relationships With Reciprocal and Nonreciprocal Intimate Partner Violence]

So a quarter of all relationships have some form of violence, of that quarter half are mutual violence, of the remaining half 70% is just women beating on Men because they know men can't fight back.

Despite this there is ONE domestic violence shelter for men in the United States. When Ex-Feminist (now Men's Rights Activist) Erin Pizzey, whom founded the worlds FIRST battered women's shelter, tried to found a Battered Men's Shelter Feminists threatened to bomb her and kill her dog:

[Youtube - Erin Pizzey, Feminism is a domestic terrorist organization]
[Wikipedia - Erin Pizzey, Founder of the worlds first battered women's shelter]

Why did these women fight against male DV shelters? If empathy is granted to men just for being human then Men become human beings, and Women currently have a monopoly on that.

[PAcc92]

On you getting attention you don't want:

Look I get that this is annoying, but at least you're treated like a human being, you want all the benefits of being attractive with NONE of the downsides. That summarizes Feminism pretty well (all the privileges men had, but none of the responsibility to die, protect, or provide).

Boys can't even get attention when they're being hacked to death with machetes and burned alive:

[mic. com #BringBackBackOurGirls misses the real story about what is happening to Nigerias Boys]

There is no MensHealth. gov despite Men dying sooner, but there sure is a WomensHealth. gov

Men have to see people calling Men and Boys trash, tweeting "Kill all men" with impunity, spare me if I don't cry over you getting unwanted attention for being attractive as if attractive Men never experience that.

Women are so privileged yet all they do is act like every small act that inconveniences them is oppression, you can't actually expect men to put up with that.

While women are complaining about the air conditioning, men and boys have suicide as their #7 leading cause of death, there are NO violent causes of death in Women's 10 leading causes. While women are complaining about bikinis and the downsides of being attractive, suicide is the leading cause of death for males aged 14-34.

Alimony reform, family court reform, male suicide, homelessness, work, the draft, every where you look men have it worse and then they get to see "Kill all Men" and "Men are trash" and Fathers displayed as stupid in ads and TV.

[PAcc92]

Summary:

I could spare some empathy, really I could, if Women ever seemed to have any for men and boys.

"We can be partners if you treat us like one, but we are getting final say in how we dress and act and the choices we make for our bodies"

No you can't, you are incapable of being a partner because you think of Men as walking ATMs programmed to murdered for Women, they're just disposable cash dispensing meat shields. The thing keeping Men and Women from being partners isn't Men, it's WOMEN.

Fortunately Men are waking up, and when advances like Artificial Wombs and Sex Robots come around women will lose their powers of manipulation, the future is certainly more positive than the past, perhaps that's why Female happiness decreases every year despite being so "Liberated"

[Ez-Bri-Z]

I really wish this place had a chat so I could cover this much easier, but let's break this down.

White feather - haven't researched this to answer it competently as to their goals, but what I can say is you are talking about a small insane subset of a larger organization who doesn't share those ideals (for example, I dont want to enslave anyone). If we look across history, how many examples can you have of matriarchal societies who enslaved men vs the other way around?

Women are manipulators- not untrue. So are men. Women win battles with wiles, men win through force. It's using what we have available to us to defend ourselves. It doesn't make it right no matter what gender does it, but fully admitting women are better at this.

Combat deaths- the first part isn't a woman problem. That's a men seeing women as the weaker sex problem and feeling a need to be a protector issue.

Rape vs being killed - dont say it unless you've experienced it. Choking to death on mustard gas is an awful way to die, but its a small fleeting moment to the lifetime of issues rape brings up in a person. You think death is somehow the ultimate price, but in a lot of ways it has been a salvation from worse things.

Homelessness- save me the pity party on the guys not being seen as human beings. They absolutely are seen as human beings. Some see them as expendable ones but thats not really the argument now is it? This idea that women only see men for their money has been debunked several times on this site alone. Personality always has won those polls.

Domestic violence claims - ill look more into this and do proper research when I'm not at work.

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[Ez-Bri-Z]

DV shelters - again small subset of a larger one. Do I condemn all Christians because a smaller subset think I should burn in hell for being in a committed relationship with my wife?

Attention- I'm not attractive but that isn't the point. It's that guys don't know how to take no for an answer in a lot of cases. I've met some really cool guys on here who either tried and backed off after I said no or never made an attempt and I respect the heck out of them. Please don't make assumptions about what I want and don't want. This is where I'd recommend doing research into my post history. On NUMEROUS occasions I have spoken to inequalities men face and why that is a problem just as much as the things we have to deal with. Even here in this thread with you, I have clearly called women out when they have been in the wrong. What you describe isn't feminism. It is people co-opting a message to their own selfish needs/wants. Feminism is about fighting so women can join the military to fight/die and protect their country, its people and their brothers and sisters in arms. Feminism is about equal opportunities at the workplace and not being discriminated against because of gender so that we can be the providers for the family and give more opportunities for those fathers who would like to be the ones to care for the kids and the home. Feminism is even about ensuring equality for men when it comes to benefits we have. You'll see me say it a lot here, if we can't accept the setbacks and difficulties men face in this world, then we don't deserve the rights they get either.

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[Ez-Bri-Z]

Summary - your mindset on how you view women there is why you have problems. That isn't how you are viewed. Again, I refer you to poll women and time and time again the answer is a guys personality being the main draw to falling in love and wanting to be with him.

Men value things like money and possessions. Men worry about the size of their dicks and over compensate if they feel they can't measure up there. When a woman rejects a guy because his personality sucks, he then starts to project his own insecurities on to her. "She just didn't want me because I dont make enough." No, you are upset you don't make enough so you let that bleed into your personality and let it drive her away.

I also would be really careful on your last thought there. You still need an egg to make life. Artificial wombs and transplants are a thing that are very close if not here already. They are already working and figured out how to get the chromosomes they need from a guy without sperm. If anything your dream will be happening in reverse and if your whole idea of the usefulness of women boils down to making babies and having sex, then you are the problem, not us.

[PAcc92]

"White feather - haven't researched this to answer it competently as to their goals, but what I can say is you are talking about a small insane subset of a larger organization who doesn't share those ideals (for example, I dont want to enslave anyone). "

You demonize all men for the actions of a tiny percent, I'm pointing out intentional mass efforts by women to enslave men.

"Women are manipulators- not untrue. So are men. Women win battles with wiles, men win through force. "

See this is what I'm talking about, you just reduce men to "Stupid Brutes" but think of Women as cunning and "Wiley". Men are incredibly intelligent, all of the worlds greatest minds (From Elon Musk to Albert Einstein) are male.

"Rape vs being killed - dont say it unless you've experienced it."

I have been sexually assaulted by a woman, Feminists Fight AGAINST male victims of sexual assault being recognized, prior to 2010 the FBI did not include Men in the definition of rape.

Feminist Mary P. Koss said in an interview that Men and Boys can't be raped by women, and that she'd only call it "Unwanted touching" even if he was drugged and forced into intercourse.

[Source - Sound Cloud Male Rape WERS]

[PAcc92]

"Combat deaths- the first part isn't a woman problem. That's a men seeing women as the weaker sex problem and feeling a need to be a protector issue. "

So you think we should be discouraging Men from protecting Women? I don't think you believe that's the case, I think you WANT and encourage men to be protectors, you just don't want them to benefit from that responsibility with increased privilege.

"This idea that women only see men for their money has been debunked several times on this site alone. Personality always has won those polls. "

Women lie because they don't want to be seen as hypergamists, it is an irrefutable fact.

Evolutionary Antropologist Elizabeth Cashdan proved this in her study "Female Dating Strategies" in another study "Rational choice and evolutionary psychology as explanations for mate selectivity" it says "On education and socioeconomic status, women on average express greater hypergamic selectivity; they prefer mates who are superior to them in these traits... while men express a desire for an analogue of hypergamy based on physical attractiveness; they desire a mate who ranks higher on the physical attractiveness scale than they themselves do."

I judge women by their actions, or lack thereof, not by what they say.

Women will SAY they care about men but never do anything to help the societal issues harming men.

[PAcc92]

Feminism is the belief that Men and Boys are subhuman "Oppressors".

Do "Oppresors" deserve love, empathy, compassion, and respect? Yeah I'm thinking no.

In Feminism Women are the Heroes, "Kill all men" and "Men are trash" are feminist messages, because they view men as oppressors, this is also why Feminism is incapable of viewing Women as perpetrators.

"Summary - your mindset on how you view women there is why you have problems. That isn't how you are viewed. Again, I refer you to poll women and time and time again the answer is a guys personality being the main draw to falling in love and wanting to be with him. "

I do great with women, I'm currently dating a very loving south American woman. It's just western feminist white women who are intolerable as they aren't taught to treat others with respect, they believe men are "Oppressors" so they treat them poorly. Her culture also doesn't require marriage, so I don't have to put myself at risk of being financially raped by marriage and having everything I've worked for taken from me.

You've summed up the problem perfectly on DV shelters, a normal loving person who viewed Men with compassion wouldn't go "NoT ALl WoMeN" when faced with that information, they would want to help. My girlfriend responded in such a way when I told her about these facts because she unlike western white women, is capable of compassion towards men. Feminist dogma degrades the human capacity for empathy.

[PAcc92]

"I also would be really careful on your last thought there. You still need an egg to make life. Artificial wombs and transplants are a thing that are very close if not here already. They are already working and figured out how to get the chromosomes they need from a guy without sperm."

Human egg cells have already been created from Induced Pluripotent stem cells from skin, Men have BOTH X and Y chromosomes, so sperm or eggs can be created from them.

"If anything your dream will be happening in reverse "

Not my "Dream" it's a scientific reality, technology makes humans optional, it's the nature of it.

"If your whole idea of the usefulness of women boils down to making babies and having sex, then you are the problem, not us. "

That is the SPECIFIC usefulness of Women as a sex, much like Protection was the SPECIFIC usefulness of Men as a sex. Western white women post feminism stopped viewing Men with compassion because Men were no longer useful, I do not propose doing the same thing to Women, I did point out that their PERSONALITY is what will define them moving forward.

I do not NEED my girlfriend, I WANT her. When women are no longer needed they will have to focus on being WANTED and that is scary to women who have nothing to offer other than their sex-specific usefulness, this is why many women start to panic after they hit 30 and their sex-specific usefulness falls rapidly.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

White feather - when did I demonize all men? Also that was not a MASS effort. Come see me again if it gets to the scale of the third Reich or something.

Manipulators - I did not say or imply men are stupid brutes. I see you COMPLETELY left out the part where I said "so are men" and "it doesn't make it right no matter which gender does it." If you are going to try and make a point, read the entire statement and go from context not cherry pick a line and generalize.

Rape - men can absolutely be raped by both other men and women. Again, there are plenty of other places who do track this (RAINN for example). People who say men can't be raped are toxic AF

Combat deaths - nope again, generalizations. I dont want men to feel like they have to or for women to feel like they need to. We should all be looking out for each other regardless of gender. Thats what equality looks like.

Atm machine comment - oh its not irrefutable. Let's not pretend that anything can't be discussed. Men lie and women lie, that is true. Wanna see how this comes out to play? Study women who have higher paying jobs. Men typically make more so it sort of is biased to say women seek it out when most of their options would be higher paid than they are. So then you look at scale of pay between men. Typically your higher paid individuals are either physically attractive and get promotions by that alone, are incredibly brilliant and can advance that way, or have great personalities that allow them to socialize their way into better positions. Is it not safe to say those three traits are more attractive to women than how much they make?

Do gold diggers exist? Oh absolutely they do, but in those cases you are talking about vacuous women who have no real defining traits other than being eye candy.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Wombs/transplants - soooo basically just proved my point? You need an egg to create life. Although let's be honest at some point with genetic interference we are going to end up phasing out gender completely since everything can be done artificially.

And no, we have way more usefulness than that.

[PAcc92]

You said "Men are also manipulators" you did NOT say "Men also use wiles", you in fact directly opposed men in that statement. You said "Women use Wiles, Men use force" when in fact, both genders use both (see the DV stats I mentioned previously). Women use sex to manipulate, no wiles required.

"People who say men can't be raped are toxic AF"

That person is a CORE leader of the feminist movement, she AUTHORED the "1 in 5 women are raped" myth. Mary P. Koss is deeply toxic and a classic hardcore feminist.

"Atm machine comment - oh its not irrefutable. Let's not pretend that anything can't be discussed. "

I will not trust a poll on some random website over multiple highly regarded scientific articles, including ones written BY A WOMAN. If you have SCIENTIFIC arguments I will hear them.

[PAcc92]

RAINN is a sexist anti-male publication, it pushes known LIES about rape, including the myth that "Women are 90% of rape victims", when it in fact Men are almost half of all rapes BEFORE you include the prison system.

From [CDC - National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey]
"More than half (51.1%) of female. • victims of rape reported being raped by an intimate partner and 40.8% by an acquaintance; for male victims, more than."

Even the CDC study DARES to list "Made to penetrate" as non-rape, when it is in fact rape, it does this because it Cites Mary P. Koss.

Feminism WILL NOT let male rape victims be recognized.

Accrording to [National Institute of Health - Sexual Violence Inside Prisons: Rates of Victimization]:
"This article presents an analysis of approximately 2,200 physical and 200 sexual victimizations reported by a random sample of 6,964 male inmates. Physical injury occurred in 40% of physical assaults and 70% of sexual assaults between inmates and in 50% of assaults perpetrated by staff."

RAINN mentions this as well, you know what they DON'T mention? That 84% of those rapes perpetrated by staff are perpetrated by WOMEN STAFF. RAINN deliberately leaves this information out because it does not want to recognize female perpetrators.

According to [Sexual Victimization in Prisons and Jails Reported by Inmates,
2008-09]:
"Females were more likely than males to have been victimized only once (56% compared to 36%) and less likely to have been victimized 11 or more times (9% compared to 20%)."

Table 18 shows women are 71.8% of staff perpetrators in Prison and 62.6% of staff perpetrators in jail.

Again, the way you act and response shows me you don't care about Men and boys, if someone came up to me and said "Did you know the FBI didn't include women in the definition of Rape until 2010" my jaw would hit the floor, but I am not feminist and am therefore capable of empathy.

[PAcc92]

"Wombs/transplants - soooo basically just proved my point? You need an egg to create life."

You also need sperm. The process you spoke of for getting "male genetic material" involves inducing stem stells (IPCs derived from the patients skin) into Sperm (albeit without tails so you'd have to do an in-vitro fertilization).

"Although let's be honest at some point with genetic interference we are going to end up phasing out gender completely since everything can be done artificially."

"And no, we have way more usefulness than that."

With Artificial Wombs and Sex Robots, women will have nothing that men lack, they will be unneeded entirely. Women and men will be EQUALLY useful. I did not say that women would be worthless, just that they'd lose their power, Men will prefer sex with their perfectly crafted sex robot over the biological alternative, artificial wombs will be better at pregnancy than women.

Technology will make women obsolete like Forklifts have put many men out of a job. I do not think this is a bad outcome, I think removing sex from relationships will make everyone happier, but the first batch of women will not be ready as too many women get by on looks alone, for those it will be like millions of women hitting 30 all at once.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

That doesn't directly oppose it at all. It acknowledges men use both in fact, but hey, take from it what you will. If I say that men are manipulators and then also say they do things by force, but don't include it for women than I'm conceding that women physically don't generally have that ability available to just force what they want.

Again, you bring up one person from the insane subset of a larger group. See my previous example of Christians and their take on lgbt vs how I view them them on the whole.

It doesn't matter what I post for statics. You clearly just pointed out that your belief is women lie. So even if I showed a thousand polls, you'd never trust it anyway so why waste my time there?

This cdc poll that according to their fact sheets doesn't show that number at all?

www.cdc.gov/.../summaryreports.html

National Data on Intimate Partner Violence, Sexual Violence and Stalking Fact Sheet pdf icon[362 KB, 2 Pages, 508]
This factsheet describes the key findings from the NISVS report

There are also more than just 1 DV for men. Here is reference sheet for numbers nationwide, Houston and in TX alone.

uh.edu/.../...ult%20Men%20in%20Partner%20Abuse.pdf

(Sorry if the link doesn't post correctly but you should be able to format it)

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Women will have nothing men lack and yet, if that were the case, why do a lot of men refuse to help with childcare? Those kids won't be raising themselves and unless you are somehow forming them into full adults then more men better start stepping up now in their duties at home and stop relying on women to be the sole caretaker while also still having a full time job

[PAcc92]

"Women will have nothing men lack and yet, if that were the case, why do a lot of men refuse to help with childcare?"

Men are told that women are "innately superior" at taking care of children, stupid lies based like "Mothers intuition" still exist despite the fact that women are no better at being parents than Men. If a man takes care of his own child then women will say he's "Babysitting" not "Parenting", Men who stay at home with their children instead of working are belittled as "Deadbeats".

[PAcc92]

"Those kids won't be raising themselves"

You're right, and women aren't raising them either. Children raised by single mothers are orders of magnitude more likely to commit crime of both the violent and non-violent variety, to drop out of school, to join gains, etc.

"more men better start stepping up now in their duties at home"

They'd love to, but they can't be at home all day because Men are expected to work themselves to death for women.

"and stop relying on women to be the sole caretaker while also still having a full time job"

Children are only difficult to deal with until they enter school, that's a 6 year period, women stay at home while the man works LONG past that 6 year period, that's just laziness.

Gallup Poll - "I'm One of the 56% of American Mothers Who 'Prefer' to Stay Home"

So if men let women stay home which is what most of them want, they're oppressors. Great, you literally cannot make western white feminist women happy.

Women are more than TWICE as likely to be working part time than full time, the myth of "Women working full time and doing child care" is nonsense, Women are working part time and doing child care AND being guaranteed a home, utilities, food, etc. by their partner. Men spend an average of 41.0 hours per week at their jobs, while women average 36.3 hours per week. Men are working more out of the home to let women - whom prefer to work in the home to do so.

Men who don't work aren't loved, Men are Human Doings, Women are Human Beings. Until that changes nothing else will.

Men and Women are just as good at parenting and just as willing, Women CHOOSE to stay home, Men have no choice.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Childraising - yeah I hate that just as much as you do. Thats another things I've complained about on these boards. For those father who do step up and take an active role in caring for their children, they should NEVER be mocked by men or women. Those men are the example, not the exception.

Children are only difficult until the age of 6? As the mother of two ill HAPPILY disagree with you there. My wife and I both work full time and, during the pandemic, played teacher and babysitter. Im also a mom who prefers to stay at home and I do. We both work remote. Before I worked here I stayed at home making my money play online poker in the comfort of my room. Being at home is great compared to having get made up and go into an office to deal with that BS.

Men absolutely have a choice and I dont have to look any further than my own brother who stayed at home and watched all of our kids/my other brothers kids when we did have to go into the office. His wife worked and he did the house stuff (not well, but that's more about his laziness than the arrangement itself)

[Alphonsolawa]

>The homelessness issue I'll totally give you. Women are able to find different forms of work that men can't in an emergency. They are also able to marry for security rather than love where most men can't. This is obviously unbalanced and should be fixed but if I'm being honest, I dont have a strong answer as to how.

Easy , make more homeless shelters for men. Also make more Domestic violence and rape helping places for men.

[Alphonsolawa]

>calling out hypocrisy from school administrators censoring photos of young women who weren't exposing anything but allowing guys in speedos in the same yearbook without censoring.

Vote me as president and I will censor both of them.

[Alphonsolawa]

>how many examples can you have of matriarchal societies who enslaved men vs the other way around?

Zero , This has do with the same reason why men and women have separate groups in physical games

[Screamsgutter]

There are also more than just 1 DV for men. Here is reference sheet for numbers nationwide, Houston and in TX alone.

These are organizations, not shelters. All of womens' shelters (2000+) are federally funded. Men actually have six shelters, all of which are privately-funded i. e. not as well funded.

[NerdyAndTall]

Nice mytake by the way, but holy crap some of the comments

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Yep. It's a fight I'm willing to have here to try and get women's voices and situations heard, but unfortunately and perhaps sadly, there are a lot of people here who have negative mindsets about feminism or just women in general.

I honestly don't fault them somewhat on the feminism part. The radicalized portion of the movement really hurt the cause, but in some of these guys cases it wouldn't have mattered anyway.

[f_ckjoebiden]

Remember that thing called separation of church and state. I'm not a religious person but I sure as hell don't mind that our money says In God We Trust or that in elementary school we pledged allegiance to the flag. This just falls into a category of who the F_CK cares ? OMG

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Obviously I do so I guess that is at least 1.

I will chalk you up under the "doesn't care, but felt the need to mention something completely unrelated about church and state to pad out his post a bit more" category.

[f_ckjoebiden]

Thank You

[Anonymous]

Can't claim this is "sexism" simply because they choose not to this one time. 99% of the time women sexualize everything they can any chance they can. if these clams weren't being "forced" to wear little to nothing, they would be wearing almost nothing.
Women wear almost nothing in public as a standard and men are not allowed to... sexism is giving women the endless ability to expose themselves for cheap attention while men are expected to cover up.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Men are expected to cover up? Lmao where have you been? Guys can walk around in basically a pair of shorts and flip-flops and there is nothing against the law about that. If I do the same thing, I'm being fined for indecent exposure.

Here's the thing, while I personally am not into guys I support their right to be able to do that. As a woman, we should be afforded the same right if we want. Unfortunately guys fascination with tits has now made them a sexual object despite their more biological function in nursing. So because guys can't control themselves, women have to wear tops.

That is pretty much the same mindset if a woman is raped out in public. You will have idiots calling out what she was wearing as being the issue rather than the guy who wasn't raised to be a decent human being with impulse control.

[Opinion Owner]

Yeah a pair of shorts which almost never is shin tight or above the knee...

Women wear cloth body paint, see through dresses and tights, basically thong shorts or actual thongs... etc.

showing your genitals is not allowed for men... it is for women.

[Opinion Owner]

Also... MEN are not the reason tits are sexualized. WOMEN use them for sexual attention and sexual power. They push them up and out, fill them with plastics, use low cut or revealing clothes to show them off and basically sexualize them in every way possible.
Men simply see what women are exposing and take notice.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

That doesn't even make sense. There would be no reason to sexualize them if they weren't already being sexualized. Guys sexualized them and designers as well as women who had the ability to do it would then highlight them.

[Opinion Owner]

Haha ok.

So if men’s testicles were arousing to women... and men had the ability to put them on display for cheap female attention... would you blame the women for having a natural biological response to testicles or the men for putting them on display?

[Opinion Owner]

The childish mind of females are incapable of taking credit for their own actions.
If you don’t want to be sexualized, you don’t parade around exposing yourself for cheap sexual attention. It’s that simple.

Compare almost ANY female sport to a male sport... men cover up and play the sport... women sexualize themselves.

Same goes for practically anything.

Streamers... men create content, women expose themselves (even if pretending not to)

Women will make ANY excuse to wear as little as possible and will only complain when it becomes expected

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Make up your mind. First it is womens faults that tits are sexualized and then here you say it is our fault that men sexualize them.

Second, it is our body to walk around how we want. Keep your damn eyes to yourself and stop staring at our tits regardless.

I just clearly covered in my article that it is men making the decision for female attire in sports, not women. You have a problem with it, then support these women who are making a stand for themselves and not accepting these sexist uniforms.

If you have a problem with how clothing is cut for women, go yell at fashion designers and advertising print trying to dictate to women that they have to look oversexualized in order to be attractive. Stop blaming women because some men can't be decent human beings and just accept women for their abilities and minds and instead just vomit out lines like "show us your tits".

It is insulting that you would refer to a woman's mind as childish when we have to navigate life being the adult when dealing with children both in the literal sense and with overgrown man-children who seem to lose all brain function the minute they see a bit of cleavage.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Wanna know why streamers do what they do? Because they know idiots will just hand them cash in the hope these girls just notice them and for the dream of maybe one day having sex/dating girls like those. But please do go on about how childish OUR minds are when guys like those can't even think logically about those kinds of situations. If our minds are childish, a man's mind can get downright infantile when it comes to a woman's body.

[Opinion Owner]

at no point did I say it’s man’s fault that women do anything because it’s not man’s fault that women do anything.

I love the “it’s our body to expose how we want riff” that exact line does not apply if a man said the same to you. It would be called a sex crime for a male to expose himself in public. Even if you can simply keep your damn eyes off my dick.
Women are so beyond entitled.

My point isn’t about the men making decisions in this case... it’s simply that these same women whining would easily expose themselves any other chance they get and the ONLY reason they are whining is because they are being told something and like children are defying it on principle.

Don’t claim men aren’t decent human beings when it’s women who can’t be decent enough to cover themselves. There IS options that cover your shit... women PREFER the over exposing shit.

MEN do not say “show your tits”... scummy males do at the SAME rate as scummy female say sick shit to men. It’s not a gender thing.

But thanks for admitting that women will literally reduce themselves to holes for cash. It shows how they truly are.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

We aren't exposing ourselves by wearing a low cut top anymore than guys are by wearing a tank top. If I am walking around with my tits and slit on full display, by all means, you have an argument there. If you see cleavage, that is not a sex crime so please don't try to correlate the two.

And no, these women wouldn't expose themselves any chance they get. I know there is no way in hell I would want to play a sport in a bikini. I dont even do nude photos, not even for my own wife. Not every woman is comfortable with her body like that. In fact I'd venture to say more women have some sort of body dysphoria than don't.

I said some men weren't decent human beings not all men, but again, we can't help we have tits. They are going sometimes show through fabric or over it. There is just more surface area there than a guy has to deal with. It is 100% legal for me to go to a beach in a bikini here. It may not be the same everywhere which is a different fight to have. But just because I do choose to wear one does not give you the right to stare like your eyes have been permanently glued to my nipples.

I 100% know the rates between scummy men obsessed with women's body's (not to be confused with just normal sexual drive, but actual crossing boundaries) FAR exceeds women who do it and it isn't even a contest. Wanna test my theory? Go count the number of places like strip clubs, Hooter's, Twin Peaks and places like that in comparison to places for women to stare at guys like that.

Thanks for admitting a lot of guys are idiots who are willing to part with money, common sense, respectability, self worth and a whole other litany of things just to see one of those holes.

[Opinion Owner]

No one is talking about your upper body. That scapegoat is always the excuse used by women.
We are talking about the endless ways females expose their ass and vagina.

[Opinion Owner]

This is how the majority of females in society dress

[Opinion Owner]

Also... places where women use their body to make money FAR exceed places men have to sell their body.
You can’t feed a shark meat and then blame the shark for it’s natural instinct to eat meat.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Lmao what a cop out answer that takes no personal responsibility for anything.

"Can't blame sharks..." blah blah blah.

Yes.. yes I can. You know how I can? Because you aren't a shark. You are a supposedly rational thinking human being.

There are plenty of guys out there who despite having a sexual interest in those kinds of women, know better than to feed into it. They can look at the situation and go, "yeah she is cute but im not dropping my whole life savings into something I know I'll never have." Those guys are the type who are also most secure with themselves and don't care about perceived gatekeeping things like body count.

Also, thanks for proving my point for me. Those kinds of places far exceed places for guys to do it indeed. Wanna know why? Because there are a lot of men who are still willing to pay for it. It isn't that women aren't attracted to men's bodies. We just have better control about it.

Also, while I'm not clicking your link, I can already guess what kind of nonsense you are posting and I can assure you it isn't even close to being a correct answer. Maybe open your eyes to something besides media where you are being fed the idea sex is everything and go talk to actual real people for once.

[Opinion Owner]

Funny how taking responsibility is only a valid argument when it comes to male responses to females exposing themselves but NEVER for the females exposing themselves.
What are you peacocks?, no you are not.
So put away your natural need to expose yourself for male attention and “be a rational human being”.

and WHEN did I say that it was ok for men to pay an attention whore for being one? I didn’t.
Men who give online whores money are idiots, but do NOT blame them for the lack of basic human dignity in women who use their vagina to get through life easily.

And ACTUALLY women are NOT as visually stimulated animals as males so your shaming bullshit about women just being better at controlling themselves is bullshit. Women simply have a much smaller definition of what is “attractive” to them and when they do see guys in that very narrow very shallow group, they act WAAAAAY worse than men around women they like.
Which is why women at male strippers are so disgustingly perverse.

And then in regards to your last shaming tactics... i do go outside and I do talk to real people. Your childish shaming attack just shows your level of maturity.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

So basically you have nothing else of value to add, got it.

[FoghornLeghorn99]

If what female atheletes wear in competition is a measure of equality, the whole concept is a joke.


As to Cuomo, the problem is he politicized the abuse of women during the Kavanaugh Supreme Court hearings. Cuomo is guilty of promoting false accussations against Kavanaugh while he was the one abusing women.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

You find it laughable because it is something you already take for granted. That's fine, you don't know better because you never had to experience it.

[Anonymous]

The uniforms for women do seem it of step, don't they.
MeToo was unfortunately coopted and used to blame all men for being born make. As such it has no meaning to a lot of people.
The digitally altering or photos, I would guess, is one aspect of the look at me, don't look at me dual messaging that seems to pervade in society at the moment.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

The uniforms are stark in contrast indeed.

The #metoo movement has a lot of meaning to a lot of people so I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss it. We are still thankfully feeling the effects of women being able to finally come forward without fear. I hope those who do use it for retaliatory means without merit do get punished though. It is meant to help, not to ruin innocent lives.

[Lost_in_the_Woods]

They only seen out of step if you believe that the women didn't choose to wear that.

That's what a lot of female atheletes choose to wear.

Most women at the beach choose not to wear shorts. Most men do.

But when the women wanted to wear shorts to, literally nobody had a problem with it. It was technically against the rules, but the punishment was negligible and they agreed to look into changing the rules right away.

It's like going to a beach and complaining that women are being opresed because they are wearing different outfits than the men.

That seems a little over the top to me. It's a perfect example of the same stuff that hurt the Me Too movement. Stop claiming anything you don't personally like is some sort of terrible attack on all women by all men and it's about sexism.

People will take you seriously if you have a real point. But when you Ignore China cutting women open and removing organs so they can rape them for days at a time,

To complain that men and women wear different outfits and that means women are being oppressed... Even though the women were allowed to wear what they wanted to... People get off your band wagon.

[hahahmm]

Oh, so we can stop having men's football teams fund women's sports at the college level then?

[Ez-Bri-Z]

🤦‍♀️

Seriously, I really need people to pay attention and keep up. I've covered this before in other answer, but go on, make your case for this. It has nothing to do with what I wrote, but I'd love to see the mental gymnastics you make to tie it back to it.

This is about a uniform. Are you telling me that your compromise to Title IX is for women to have to show you some T&A to receive funding?

[hahahmm]

Here's the thing... I shouldn't have to read your entire posting history or even every response you write to others to be able to respond to your post. It's on you to update your post or write better posts in the first place.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

No it isn't. I had to research my article, you can do some research too especially when your response has only marginal relations to the point of the article to begin with

[hahahmm]

Playing victim is obviously second nature to you. Real men own their mistakes & when you learn to do that I'll be impressed.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

So once again, nothing of value to say, got it. Maybe own up to that while you are preaching to others on what they should own up to.

[Lost_in_the_Woods]

I think the women should be allowed to wear what they want and both teams should keep the money they earn and not have to fund the other.

Doesn't take a back flip to explain it. Does take one to see that as sexist opression.

Again, to be clear, nobody made them wear the bikini's. They chose not to, and played in shorts Instead.

[hahahmm]

@Ez-Bri-Z If men and women were equal then the WNBA players who dress just like men wouldn't be whining about being paid less. They would just own the fact that they're not as athletic as the male players so almost nobody wants to watch which translates into lower pay. Doesn't even matter if they wear bikinis or not that would be the same.

And my earlier point is that you can never be equal to a real man until you take responsibility for your own actions or lack of... When women are calling for female athletes to get zero funding from male sports, I'll take the march to equality seriously.

[hahahmm]

@Lost_in_the_Woods True.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

It's a good thing those business decisions aren't left up to you two, huh?

[Lost_in_the_Woods]

"Equality" to some people means "I get everything I want and you get the rest"

It's like, really hard to explain it to them. . . 🙄

[Ez-Bri-Z]

For the record your excessive use of emoji is annoying, not just that one particularly. I'm just going to start removing posts where you use them where I can.

What you just described isn't equality, but considering how dense some of your responses have been, it doesn't surprise me you don't understand that.

[Lost_in_the_Woods]

She is now also triggered by using Emojis.

I... I can't even begin to imagine how difficult your life is.

[hahahmm]

"It's a good thing those business decisions aren't left up to you two, huh?"

I guess you got lost on the way to some conference of national sports team investors and just accidentally posted to GAG.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

It wasn't accidental at all. Always want to reach out to fans.

[Anonymous]

yeah. A big huge giant step. Now focus on helping females stop CHOOSING to wear shit like that every time they go out in public or anytime they're fishing for attention. Time to stop blaming men for what women CHOOSE to wear.

[Dinklex3]

We're not "blaming men" for what we chose to wear. Men are getting blames for THEIR ACTIONS.
Thanks 👍

[Ez-Bri-Z]

^ yep.

I'm not sure why it is hard for some guys on this topic to get that. I see so much arguments for "we can't be blamed for what we do because of what women wear".

Children have that kind of logic. It's our fault for leaving cookies on the counter, not theirs for choosing to eat them without permission. For members of a gender claiming to have logical superiority, some of y'all seem to lack even the most basic levels of logic.

I also know there are a lot of men out there who actually are logical and rational and can respect a woman to ask her permission rather than force themselves on her.

[Screamsgutter]

If I walk into a bar in Boston wearing a Yankees shirt, I know there's a damn good chance I'm gonna be confronted about it. I chose the shirt to wear knowing full well it may be a problem - I'd have to be an entitled idiot to think I have no responsibility in the situation's cause.

[PoliteSpeaker]

I use always ask people why women sports was so naked. I use to say that must be done on purpose. But no one ever listened.

[Birdlegs]

I’m not going to lie I didn’t read past the first paragraph but I think people should wear what they want and if that helps y’all sleep at night good for you

[Ez-Bri-Z]

You know what?

I'll take it. Lmao

Thanks for the honesty though 😄

[Anonymous]

That Norwegian handball team is gay as heck and the female outfit should be even more revealing! If equal outfits is soo important I take it anyone who belives this also have a need to have women swiming just as topless as men does because having the same outfit is soo important. Unless of course equality is so unimportant women don't have to be equal to men in volleyball outfit. If a man can swim topless, then equality demands topless women too!

Mee too is BS hogwash and should cease exisitng.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

Equality is being able to chose what you can wear. That includes letting guys use a swimsuit if they want. It's not about forcing someone something, it's the exact opposite.

[Lost_in_the_Woods]

Everyone should have a choice.
Literally nobody made them wear the bikini's, and I have not heard even one person say they should have to.

But yes, his point is the idea of making men and women wear exactly the same uniforms is not reasonable.

Honestly, I'd bet the sports bras are more comfortable and supportive and they don't wear shirts over them because it would slow them down.

Imagine if I went around a public beach telling women I had a shirt for them so they didn't have to wear the bikini anymore.

They would absolutely flip out and be super offended. Women like to wear bikinis. The women's rights movement fought for that.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Lost_in_the_Woods
"Literally nobody made them wear the bikini's, and I have not heard even one person say they should have to"
Both of those happened.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

This is why I had to stop responding to LITW. Way too much talking in absolutes using only a small amount of personal experience. Well, that and the gratuitous use of thinking emojis and chains and chains of responses in multiple areas instead of just one place. I dont mind a debate but it's not really a debate under good faith.

The equivalent of the "literally nobody made..." quote is me saying nobody in my house likes applesauce, so literally nobody can honestly enjoy applesauce and I have not heard one person saying they do. It is such a small sample size, with no backing data other that a confirmation bias response.

[Lost_in_the_Woods]

Lets see an example where someone said they didn't want to wear it and was forced to.

[Lost_in_the_Woods]

Or someone saying they should have to

[Lost_in_the_Woods]

The thing is about refusing to respond because I post different comments under different opinions is just strange. Never heard that before. It would it make more sense to respond to the things you said under one opinion under a different opinion? 🤨

And, the thing about absolute statements is, if I'm wrong they should be really really easy to disprove.

But, even then, I would stand by that almost everyone supports them wearing what they want to wear.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

^ this right here.

Get all your thoughts into one message instead of spamming my notifications with 3 or 4 that just have 1 or 2 lines. Do you realize how annoying that is?

Thing is they really are easy to disprove but that isn't really our job. You are the one making the claims so bring your proof other than "well, I never saw it personally it has to be true universally."

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Lost_in_the_Woods they were fined for not wearing the skimpy outfit. That is the example.

[Lost_in_the_Woods]

Ez has no example so, she whines about something else.
She also can't count to two, but hey, we'll gloss over that.

This is not an example of that at all.

The uniforms were standardized (and probably chosen by women)

The rule was anyone who doesn't wear the standard uniform is charged a $50 fee. (Which is absolutely negligible at an Olympic level)

They didn't want to wear the standard uniform, so they didn't. Nobody tried to make them, and nobody said they couldn't compete. (Ez pointed out that they have let Muslim teams wear a lot more than that, and I'm pretty sure there was no fine because they requested to in advance)

Applying the rules that are on the books isn't forcing women to wear bikinis. They obviously wern't forced to, and the fact that it was technically against the rules but they still got to play pretty much tells the whole story. If they wanted to try to stop them, they had a perfect opportunity. They didn't.

Instead, they agreed to look into changing that rule as soon as possible.

Imagine if I wanted to drive my car on the left side of the road, so I just went ahead and did it, got pulled over, got a ticket, but they said I could keep doing it and they would try to change the rule so I could drive where I want.

And I said "THE OPRESSION IS KILLING ME, THEY WON'T STOP TRYING TO FORCE ME TO DRIVE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE ROAD" While literally posing for press photos driving on the left side of the road.

That is why people don't take this seriously.

Show me one example of someone who tied to make them change into the bikini's or stop them from playing. I don't think anyone did.

[Lost_in_the_Woods]

If they wanted to force everyone to wear bikinis, the rule would be "you have to"

Not "pay a fee less than it cost to get the new uniforms made"

🤦🏼‍♂️

It's a very tiny deterent to encourage people wear consistent uniforms (which is an expectation in literally every sport)

But first time someone didn't like it, they said they would consider changing it right away without any trouble.

If so many people tried to force them to wear the bikini's anyways, it should be easy to find an example of someone who didn't want to being forced to do so.

I don't think that exists. But I bet if a man said he wanted to wear a bikini they wouldn't let him.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

*sigh*

I have examples, you just haven't justified a reason to give them, but since you want to be a b*tch about it, here we go. Yeah they got fined so there is your proof they weren't given a choice.

No they weren't picked by women. Uniform decisions were done by the council of the IHF which is a super majority of men with like 1 or 2 women? The EHF assessed the finest in accordance to that policy of the IHF.

Negligible or not they were fined. Let's put into this way, if you get pulled over for speeding. You could get like a $200 which might be devastating to you but a minor inconvenience to me. It is all about your perspective and considering these athletes spend a good amount of their time training and not working full time jobs, this could be pretty costly. The fines went to the players not the country or the owners fyi.

The EHF games were not the Olympics themselves, that is why they were fined.

The rules may not disqualify the team, just fine them for improper uniforms. They can't just make up a rule on the spot. If it isn't in the rules of the game and it says a fine then that is all they can do.

They offered to go back and look at the rules. That isn't a guarantee they will, but they faced a LOT of bad press if they didn't say they would.

There are also a lot of people who did take it seriously which is why it was covered by major media outlets.

You can mock it all you want, but it doesn't take from the fact it was a double standard. Let me make this simple for you. If you worked in an office and women could work in skirts or pants, but guys could only wear biker shorts because your boss just really likes seeing a guys ass in biker shorts. You wouldn't see a problem with that?

Good job getting your thoughts into one post! That wasn't so hard, was it?

[Lost_in_the_Woods]

Saying the board who made the decision was mostly men isn't the same thing as saying they designed the uniforms. Or that most women would have preferred something else.

The rest is just your opinions.

They were fined for not wearing the standard uniform. Would hsve been the same fine if they wore less. Or if they wore silly hats. That isn't evidence that it was sexist opression to force them to wear bikinis. That is just the policy in pretty much every sport.

You claim there were a lot of people pushing back trying to make them wear the bikini's or stop them from playing but I still haven't seen a single one and you can't give a single example.

So, I still think literally nobody did. Knowing you, if you had an example, you'd post it.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Are you being intentionally dense or can you just not help it? Your whole posts have been nothing but opinions and confirmation bias but im supposed to accept those as the gospel truth but when I give you actual real life examples for this particular situation (they got fined) that apparently isn't enough. The fines are them pushing back against these women standing up for themselves.

The ACTUAL design of the uniform is inconsequential. The rules themselves dictate the exact measurements their bikini cuts have to be. They were also required to wear midriff exposing tops. It is in the rules. The design of the uniforms are based more colors and design on the clothing itself.

[Opinion Owner]

I can only speak for myself, but I like sexy females, so I support whatever makes them dress more sexy :) And if women and men are as equal as the title of the question say, please make women swim topless too. Otherwise they can stay being more sexualised in volleyball.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

That isn't about sexualization from the athletes in that case. In swimming it is about making yourself aerodynamic and well... breasts aren't exactly aerodynamic. Besides these events are televised and until countries get really ok with the female form and not oversexualize our tits, they would hit all kinds of indecency laws. Now making guys move to a suit that covers from shoulder to crotch is fine. That would be equal.

[Opinion Owner]

They could just censor the broadcasts in those places that would not allow it. I only used the equal argument since your title mentioned women and men being equals, personaly I'm just for whataver makes the women look most sexy.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

And that is what we are hoping to stop. We are not here to be your eye candy.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Lost_in_the_Woods like you said the rules state that they have to use a certain type of clothing. Which is perfectly fine is a competition. The problem comes when they demand that type of clothing to be revealing for the women. The idea is to change the rules and after this occurence they might.

You say no one stop their game and no one forced them to do anything. What do you think the fine was for? They want to let clear that the women can't use shorts, which is a perfectly valid attire for the sport.

They must have the option to wear what they want to wear, whithin what is logic of course, no one will play in a snow suit.

[Lost_in_the_Woods]

I think the disconnect here is that you all fail to realize that the guys are held to the exact same uniform rules as the girls.

It's not sexist to have the same rule for both men and women, and women's uniforms shouldn't be identical to the men's.

If you want to change the uniforms, that's fine with me. But I am certain that a lot of ladies don't want to be forced to wear men's uniforms. This is very standard atheletic aitire for women.

I don't see any evidence that the majority of the women would rather wear uniforms more like the men's. I have seen tons of evidence that most women actually prefer to wear bikinis to the beach and while doing athletics.

If one man, or one team of men says it's sexist that they are expected to wear jersies Instead of long sleeves, because they don't want to show their biceps, that doesn't make it true.

That's ridiculous.

The sad thing is ez still has no evidence to back up her claims, and is obviously not being intentionally dense.

This is an old article, but I'll admit I was surprised that 53 percent of women said they would wear a one piece swimsuit. I do not see a majority of women actually wearing those.

But literally only 9% of the women WHO CHOSE THAT OPTION said it was because they prefered it. (That's less than 5% of women)

A majority of women who chose the bikini said it was because they prefered it.

And the #1 reason for choosing the one piece was "because it fits my body type"

As ez pointed out previously, women with athletic figures are for more likely to prefer the bikini than those who have other body types.

That said, things change over time. I think they should let people chose one or the other, but I bet most of them will still chose the bikini.

[Lost_in_the_Woods]

Setting the females uniform standard to match the most popular preferences isn't sexist. It's common sense.

I was on a sports team with women. (Cross Country) The vast majority of them prefered to run in tiny shorts and sports bras and were upset that it was against the policy.

Saying guys can show their belly and girls can't is discriminatory.

But saying "we made a uniform that fits the preference of most athletes but if you want to wear something else you can and we will look into changing the standard so you can be more comfortable" just isn't.

It's whiney self victimization.

Nobody stopped them from wearing shorts. The rule is everyone wears the uniform or there is a minimal penalty for not doing so.

But the first time someone had a problem with the uniforms they said they will look into provided more freedom.

Sports have always had standardized uniforms. Most women prefer to compete in the sports bras over a bully jersey. But, if some people are uncomfortable with that, nobody had to.

www.huffpost.com/.../bikinis-one-piece-swimsuits_n_3155596

You both still fail to show any evidence that someone had a problem with that.

The rules have always been there and apply to both genders the same. But the first time someone said they didn't like them they said they would look into changing it.

Tbh, I haven't even seen anything from the team complaining about the fee. I don't think they are half as butthurt over the rulebook saying uniforms are standardised and there is a fee if you don't comply as you are.

They paid the fee and wore their shorts. It was pennies to them. And next year they will probably have changed the rules.

One competition had a rule that there was a fee for not wearing the uniforms. It applied to both genders. The girls who decided to wear something different, honestly wore something barely different.

[Lost_in_the_Woods]

Just because ez can't keep her mind out of the gutter doesn't mean most women want to compete in long sleeves and sweatpants. The one team who had an issue with it still didn't even wear uniforms like the guys do.

Very few athletic women actually want to wear uniforms like the men's. That is why they are different. 🤦🏼‍♂️

Less than 5% of women say they prefer a one piece bathing suit. (But, for the record, I actually think they are adorable. The tiny bikini's make me kind of uncomfortable)

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Lost_in_the_Woods Yes they are, but their clothes aren't revealing are they? It would be the same thing as forcing men to play in a thong. Even the swimmers get to use shorts.

They would not be forced to change uniforms. But they would not be forced to use the sames either.

Doesn't matter if the majority feels confortable. Many women in the past felt confortable with not having the right to vote. The choice must be there.

I didn't read all the conversation between you and Ez. I am having a conversation with you not with you.

If most of them chose the bikini fine. That doesn't change the fact that they don't have that option now and they should have.

[Lost_in_the_Woods]

I totally agree that everyone should have the choice.

Yes the women's uniforms are revealing, but I don't think the intent was to make them show their bodies. I think that is simply the most popular preference so that is what was selected.

I absolutely understand how some people would be uncomfortable.

I actually think the less revealing uniforms look better, and I personally prefer them.

I don't think anyone should be (or was) forced to wear tiny undies on tv. But one time I was in a circus, we voted on uniforms, I voted for tank tops, unitards won, and well over 100 people saw me Changing Into a unitard through the obvious gap in the curtan I had pointed out and been assured nobody could see through.

Lots of people laughed at me. But, honestly I was just fine.

I think everyone should have a choice. But I don't think it's sexist or opressive to have standardized uniforms that fit the most popular preference.

Not that it's good, it should be changed. But the idea that having a nominal fee for not wearing the standard uniforms is toxic opressive masculinity forcing women to be sex slaves is a steaming pile of 👎

That's just life. If you want more open uniform choices I totally agree. But I don't think that's what it's about. It was never a problem before.

It's typical me too crap. Someone else got (rightfully) pandered to because they were a victim, so now, he's a victim, she's a victim, EVERYBODY WINS A FREE VICTIMIZATION.

and it's like... really counter productive in so many ways.

[Lost_in_the_Woods]

If she had said "isn't it awesome that this team took a stand against the skimpy uniforms"

I would have said "yes. I thought that was heroic. I bet they laughed at the $50 fee. They probably spent more on their illegal uniforms. And I laughed with them"

My issue isn't with changing the uniforms. It's calling every tiny disagreement "racist, sexist bigoted opression" and using that as ammunition to say anyone who doesn't agree with everything you say is a bad person.

While, totally distracting from the real issues in Xinjiang, Myanmar, Tigray... And even the real issues we have in the west.

It's not human rights activism. It's selfishness blown out of proportion.

That's the only thing I have a problem with.

I actually like the new uniforms and the idea of allowing more freedom.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

I've already provided everything you need. You posted a Huffington post article and speculated what you think women want despite the ONLY evidence you provided showing a majority of women wouldn't wear bikinis in general. The team in question actively said they weren't into it, the German gymnastics team saying they weren't into showing off so much skin as well as multiple other sports where women are forced to play sports in next to nothing because people see women as little more than sexual objects, but NONE of that works for you. I am a woman saying I don't want it either. That doesn't work for you either. You are so stuck on this mindset that it has to be that way because that's what women want.

You have no clue what women want. Not in the slightest. So please please please stop pretending like you do.

As for this conversation, I'm done. I usually like debate, but this isn't even debate. This is you just incorrectly spouting your opinion as fact despite having 0 evidence to back it up.

I am not doing this anymore. I have way better things to do with my day and my life.

I am tired of being spammed by you though so to save me the headache of getting an avalanche of responses from you in any of my threads I have to just block you. You post so much and say so little. That's annoying to have to read 4 or 5 posts to try and find any real facts or evidence and finding none. It is just all speculation from you. You really need to work on that.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Lost_in_the_Woods
"I think everyone should have a choice. But I don't think it's sexist or opressive to have standardized uniforms that fit the most popular preference."
The moment it takes your choice away from the sake of the choice of the majority it is sexist. It is discrimination. That was exactly the mindset that makes minorities discriminated.

[Mynameisbobby]

I agree with you that women/girls are sexualized, but so are men/boys. I myself have been a victim of it and when I said something was just laughed at. If I'm not understanding this correctly let me know.

[Exterminatore]

Nobody cares to hear the cries of oppression from overprivileged western women. If you’re so oppressed in America move to Afghanistan.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

... you do realize that feminism isn't just made for women in the West, right? Like... you have the brain power to figure that out, right? I dont want to overestimate your brain's processing limits, but I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt here.

When I say that this is a step forward, it was meant to be a step forward EVERYWHERE. What is happening over there now is a HUGE step back and now we have to do what we can to help those women reclaim rights they had just weeks ago.

So please spare me your chauvinistic brain farts and go back to whatever hole you crawled out of.

[Exterminatore]

So go smear menstrual blood on your face and protest the patriarchy if that will make you feel better.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Do you need professional help? I kinda feel like you do. If you would like me to research good local therapists in your area, I'd be glad to help you. After all, we are very aware every other woman in your life has had to cater to your childlike tendencies of trying to act much braver than you really are. Difference between you and the kids is, they still have a chance at a normal life. You are sort of stuck that way.

[Exterminatore]

Soooo….. like I said go smear menstrual blood on your face and protest the patriarchy. Or go read some poetry about your vagina or ovaries. Don’t know why you’re wasting your time trying to insult me. As if I actually care what you think or say about me.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

You obviously do because you keep responding...

I mean, it is always so easy to see past all of you guys who try to act tough on here.

"Oh, I dont care. I got better things to do."

... and then you post again and again and again. You are all one trick ponies with some of the weakest insults I have ever heard and I have 2 young kids. My kids are better at this than you are. That's sad.

Do better. Be better. Or you know, just be somewhere else at least.

[lucas262]

You know. Because we need a feminist on gag to tell us NOT to rape people. Like we didn't already know this.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Actually, I think some of you do need that message. There were a few posts floating around the other day from different users (thankfully taken down) that were excusing and or glorifying it. One poster even put a comment that if we wear anything revealing then it is a man's right to be able to touch us however he pleases.

There are a lot of messed up people in this world unfortunate and some that exist on this site.

Overall that was not the overlying message of this post, but thank you for reading it nonetheless.

[Michael49]

Well because of close minded ignorant people like them is the reason why there will always be hatred toward people because of their race, religion, gender or sexual preference. Trust me when i tell you the biggest lesson i pounded into my two sons heads growing up was to treat, talk to and respect everyone the same way they want people to treat their mother

[Michael49]

And thank u for the banter hopefully people read our chat and educate themselves

[Ez-Bri-Z]

We all should be so lucky as to have a parent like yourself who can teach others about that level of respect. Unfortunately, from what I see of the parents in this world and the types of closed mindsets they have that this fight will be going on for a long time.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

And same to you! I love these kinds of conversations

[Anonymous]

You want to know what tomorrow brings?

Here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/embed/W2amYr5Rkho

Keep fighting that good fight for the next gen of women

[Ez-Bri-Z]

And so what if it is? If they choose to do that, then great! They will have an audience for it, I am sure. The whole point is to have the choice to do it. Guys can walk around topless and pose all they want on photos on this site and that is a-ok. If I take a topless photo and post it on here I could have it taken down or be banned for it so please stop making it out like guys don't do similar things.

[Opinion Owner]

Yes i agree it is great! can't wait to see what women come up with next to objectify themselves while crying about being objectified by men

[Ez-Bri-Z]

And I can't wait to see your next post that continues disproving the idea that men are smarter than women!

[Opinion Owner]

Hahaha you know you might as well give up when you gotta go ad hominem

[Ez-Bri-Z]

And yet your post spends all its time ranting about women having the choice to do what they want with their bodies. I certainly don't care if you personally like it or not, this isn't about you. This is about having the choice in general.

[Opinion Owner]

Incorrect i dont care how little clothes women choose to wear, i said i hope women stop whining about being objectified by men if they're the ones objectifying themselves

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Or... Orrrrrrr... maybe we can just wear what we want and do what we want to do and guys still don't treat us like sex objects. We can enjoy our own sexuality without it meaning you get to do it too without consent

[Opinion Owner]

Ok so we're just going to live in Double Standard Land where women want equal rights but not equal responsibilities.

Cause I mean like I've already said I'm perfectly fine with women posting clips of themselves twerking in their underwear online it's really no skin off my back

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Nope, wrong again. I have stated several times on this site that if women can't accept the sh*t men have to deal with that we don't deserve equal rights, but this doesn't fall under that. Men not being able to control themselves isn't a "not accepting equal responsibility" kind of thing. Unless your argument is that women need to lose self control and just stare at guys, stalk them down and force themselves on guys whether they want to or not at the same rate some men do to women. Don't get me wrong, I know it isn't all guys who do this. There are a lot of great guys out there, but the ones who can't control themselves are the issue. Kind of like how not all women do what you linked a video of, but you somehow lumped all women into.

[es20490446e]

Don't show me your ass on Tik Tok.

Come home and let me grab it.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Listen, I dont answer to any man that I dont call daddy. So I want you to bring your ass to me so I can grab yours instead.

😉

^complete joke. Just take it as such...

... good boy. Lmao teasing.

[es20490446e]

My ass is very exquisite. I like to grab it every morning too. Just wanting to try new horizons.

[Smegskull]

Aren't the uniform rules in the no-men leagues there to increase viewership?
Heck if there is a dip in viewership during the games they are out of uniforms sponsorship probably has a case for damages.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Or.. and just hear me out here... we can stop treating women as sexual objects when they are just trying to play a sport.

[Smegskull]

Well they tried that and they couldn't get enough of an audience to fund their hobby.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Well one of those teams i mentioned were the Olympic team so it shouldn't have even been a necessity there.

[Lost_in_the_Woods]

@Smegskull
No, I don't think they are there to increase viewership at all.

Porn is free and readily available.

In my experience, most girls on my cross country team prefered to dress like that because it's cooler and less restrictive.

And not one single guy had a problem with it, but we weren't the ones trying to make them take their shirts off. We had literally never complained about that either.

I would guess, the ladies league chooses their own uniforms, and they chose what most female atheletes like to wear.

If it was about sponsorship, they would be wearing shirts with big logos, you know... Like the men do. (Even though a lot of guy's also prefer not to wear a t-shirt when working out because it's hot and sweaty and slows you down slightly)

You don't see a lot of Olympians running or swimming in sweat pants.

I don't see a problem with letting people choose from a variety of uniforms, but I don't think the ones we have now were selected to oppress female atheletes. In my experience, that is what most female atheletes prefer, and guys aren't creative enough to think of designing new uniforms just for the ladies.

I'd guess it's want the ladies chose. When they actually had less rights, the men in charge made them wear long sleeves and skirts down to their knees. You ever see a women's swimsuit from the 50's? 🤔

[Ryfyle]

Love this first world Problems whinging whilst the Islamic World straight up stones women for getting raped.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Hey! You get the idea then.

We want equality for them just as much as for ourselves, but we also need to live our lives too. We don't just put all our stuff on hold and wait for them to catch up. We keep making advances in our own lives so that equality in every way becomes normalized and we gain more voices to fight back against places that repress women even harder than the ways we experience here.

If we keep just broadcasting from western culture that its cool to just oversexualize our women, we make it ok everywhere for men to think as women as "less than". So maybe stop thinking of it as a first world problem and more of a part of a much larger world problem that we are each trying to fix in our own way wherever we can make avenues to do so.

[Ryfyle]

You know the Muslim world will never change unless we kill all of them. Like 20 years wasted in the sandbox for people who rolled out the Red Carpet for the Taliban. There culture is endemic, its written in their genetics, they all must die.
Lets be honest, men actually didn't really care about volley ball, in fact men don't care either way about "over sexualization". Your issue rest on other women who would shit themselves over the thought of the "Sport Burkah". It's all projection and rarely does your type like to get out of your comfort zone and talk to the other side.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Completely incorrect. We don't need to massacre an entire race/religion/political party for their beliefs.

[Anonymous]

Um when have men ever been treated like they're irreplaceable like women? Good thing gay marriage is legal cuz men aren't touching yalls sorry (and flat) asses

[Ez-Bri-Z]

... what?

[Opinion Owner]

the girls look better in bikinis the guys look better in what they wear. simple as that

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Looking better doesn't mean we have to wear them exclusively. They are there as athletes, not as eye candy.

[Opinion Owner]

it's olympic tradition to compete naked

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Cool. All we have to do is go back 2700 years ago when it started and then completely ignore the fact there are literal children competing in these games you sick pervert

[DeltaCharlieEcho]

Another step forward for everyone would look like a couple dozen steps beck for women. Hate to break it to you, but what women in control looks like to most people is the current failing culture that people seem to be completely oblivious to these days.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Except men have been in control so clearly men are the problem and the women should have their chance. Good point.

[DeltaCharlieEcho]

In the course of 50 years since the advent of first wave feminism, women have completely destroyed the west. Over the entire course of male run history, we advanced as a civilization in technology, ideology, race relations, and international communications; under feminism our languages have lost all meaning, we have no rigidity in policy unless that policy is one directed at speech against an individual, there's no intellectual honesty in politics, education or the larger society as whole.

Women ruined men's progress, and men aren't going to thank you for it.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Lmao oh lord

That sad part is that you actually believe all this.

[DeltaCharlieEcho]

The sad part is that women actually do what I say; the sad part is that you don't believe in male rights to self ownership and autonomy. The sad fact is that no matter what you have or where you're at in life right now, unless you change your way of thinking, you're going to end up alone and bitter at 35 and once that happens, you're not getting any real chances with any men of any level of value.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

I'm 42 and married with two kids.

Swing and a miss there, bud.

I think both men and women have their rights, but that you sit here and blame women for having some level of control that has led to where we are as a society and not have men shoulder blame.

Of course you are going to enjoy the privileges of a society where men are the dominant gender and everyone is expected to get on board with your plan or get left behind.

It is becoming a reality that those days are over and what you thought of as a utopia was only one to a small minority of people. The reality is also that instead of fighting it and shoving your head in the mud to avoid admitting any sort of ownership of the mess left for the rest of us to clean up, you could instead be working together with these changes that make it better for EVERYONE and not just a certain subset of men.

[DeltaCharlieEcho]

I don't give a shit how old you are. Your generation and the one prior are the ones that corrupted the women in my generation and are ruining them. Not just for men, but for themselves. Women in my generation are miserable at rates that have never seen before and it is a statistical probability that most of them will end up alone and angry.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Lol statistically that is just bullshit. You were the one who brought up people with my mindset being alone and not finding a man by the age of 35

Women standing up and saying "yeah, DEC, I'm just tired of you and your sexist attitude." is not corruption. It is just people standing up for themselves and there isn't a thing wrong with that. What is going to end up happening is that there will be those who get on board with these changes and they are going to end up with these women you end up thinking are going to be alone and then the only ones who are going to be angry and alone are the guys who stubbornly hold on to the golden years of them having total control.

[DeltaCharlieEcho]

Your opinion means less than nothing to me. I actually follow the stats, you clearly only follow your female feelings.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Show me stats then. Otherwise your stats lead you to the same place your idea does, nowhere.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

And obviously my opinion means a whole hell of a lot to you or you wouldn't be bothering to post here at all, so please spare me your false bravado.

[DeltaCharlieEcho]

Why would I provide you stats to common knowledge. Every man knows that what I’m saying is true as do roughly 25% of women.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Well, 75% of people know that you are making sh*t up. 13% know that you are making it up and have an inferiority complex. 11% agree with you. And 1% asked if I was married and wanted to go out next weekend.

[DeltaCharlieEcho]

How about you do even the slightest bit of reading on a topic before you open your mouth on it.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

I read what you wrote and know it was bullsh*t. You want me to read something with actual facts that were peer reviews, by all means send it over, but I know you won't because you have nothing to substantiate those claims.

[DeltaCharlieEcho]

This is why men don’t take women seriously.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Because we hold you accountable? How dare we not take everything you say at face value!

Maybe if you'd stop lying and provide any evidence people would take you seriously.

[DeltaCharlieEcho]

You can't even hold yourselves accountable. Lol. You literally don't know how to be friends with each other and you don't know how to act with any amount of selflessness.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Generalize much? I get along better with my female friends than I do my male friends specifically because the males ones wanted to be more than friends and some couldn't handle that. Those are the same kinds of friends who complain about "the friendzone" but for some reason never took into account I am a lesbian and that was the only zone they were ever going to be in.

[DeltaCharlieEcho]

lol what kind of moron wouldn't generalize women? Women operate almost entirely on public opinion instead of independent thought. It's part of your neurobiology going back to hunter gatherer days.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Please make sure you wash your hands when done digging the rest of those wonderful thoughts out of your ass. You wouldn't want to give people yet another reason to want to avoid you.

[John_Doesnt]

But now women in Texas can't have abortions.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/QkoiqlODM60