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Blah blah blah, men and women will never be equal they are fundamentally different.
Sorry, lost interest in the first half of your statement. You should try to make both sides of the comma equally interesting and useful. Oh my gosh, I feel like that could probably be applied to some sort of lesson here, but it's just slipping my mind...
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Truth hurts chick.
Lol I'm sorry you were hurt by what I said then.
Sheesh... and they said women were sensitive...
You didn't say anything meaningful and got mad at an objective truth and are now bitching about it. Very female thing to do.
Aww and you are trying to be brave and tough, very adolescent boy thing to do.
Implying I'm being brave is implying that you're intimidating which isn't the case. You still haven't said anything meaningful either 🤣
Neither have you 😁
Re-read the original post. It's amusing you came in here claiming adolescence then proceed to act just like that. "No you!" Lmao.
I could barely stay awake for your first post since it offered absolutely nothing of value.
The truth is valuable.
Cool. Let me know when you ever learn how to speak it.
I'll be sure to when you learn to quit bullshitting people.
If I were bullshitting you then I would have said you make a strong argument and live up to your handle on this site.
Actually on second thought you do live up to it. It IS stunning you actually believe any of the garbage you post and it is brave of you to include your photo as a warning to others as to who to avoid IRL.
The more stupid people like you that avoid me the better, my name is making fun of women like you that delude into your line of thinking, how brave of you to advocate for women to not have to wear uniforms but support them selling their asses online 🤣
I mean, you came to post on my article and continue to do so, let's just call this what this is: I enjoy making you sound foolish and you are into it and keep coming back for more.
To each their own, but let's not pretend you have some sort of special plan with your name or that you are performing any sort of public service or troll. Just admit you like a dominant woman and save us all the trouble.
I unfortunately do need to disappoint your kink somewhat. I'm not sexually attracted to guys. I would have said men, but that would have left you a loophole since you have no idea how a real man should act and therefore don't qualify as one.
Calm your tits, I already have a woman. Keep your fantasies to yourself chick.
Sure you do. Suuuuure you do.
Since you took the time to look at my profile and dig up shit to feel insecure about, take a look at the picture too. Hahahah 🤣
I didn't look at your profile. I can clearly see your tag on every post lmao.
I can see a picture of two people but I have also posted pictures of my cat. Doesn't mean I claim to be a feline. Those could be of anyone.
Sure chick, suuuure keep telling yourself whatever you need to 🤣
I mean, prove me wrong. I'm certainly not a feline. You keep coming back to be insulted more and more despite me enjoying it more than you could ever know. I have two younger brothers and frankly they put up a much better fight than you are doing here today, but it is always still a blast to just make you look silly for each post you make.
You know what the best part of this is? I'm eventually going to get to point where I just remove the thread completely so that you just never existed here. Just sort of Thanos snap you out my existence. You will sit on your side of the screen and think it is because of something you said getting to me and im just telling you now, it is going to happen just because I want it to because it just shows how so little influence you have on this conversation.
Sounds like you're scared lmao do what you want chick. *Poof* I don't give a shit. You also sound psychotic.
Psychotic? Nah.
Just over guys who think they are being clever by posting the same boring comments on threads like this.
Trust me. There is nothing about you that scares me other than you possibly breeding. 😊
Oh look, it happened already.
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Lol you guys are weak, Keep plugging your ears it's very brave 🤣
No.. no.. I think I'm more stunning AND brave 😆
More like stupid and afraid 😂
Ooh nice effort. Swing and a miss, but you certainly did try your best didn't you, huh?
Your father probably feels the same way.
Yeah, he probably does think you are a joke too. Good call.
I was talking about you, I gave you too much credit thinking you understood nuance. This is feels like beating up a mentality handicapped child at this point.
Which I am sure you probably have tried at some point but just like that fight, you are losing this one too.
I'm fully aware of what you were attempting, but see, that was me flipping your words against you which is obviously above your level of understanding. I refuse to have to dumb myself down to your level just so you can keep up. I need you to do better or just move on.
Like that? 😁
You can't censor screenshots chick 🤣
I sure can't, but if you really have a girlfriend you could just have her make fun of you instead of using this as your erotica.
Why do you keep trying to make this sexual? I thought dudes were the ones that did that.
Why are you into being made fun of?
If this is your attempt at trying to make fun of me you could out in more effort, this whole thread looks like me just roasting you. You still haven't said anything meaningful either since the start 😂
I wrote a whole meaningful article and your only points so far are:
"Blah, blah, blah, please make fun of me some more while I keep trying to be funny and talk about beating up special needs children."
That about sums it up so far.
Maybe in the fantasy land you live in, I said women and men are not equal, they are fundamentally different.
We can still be treated as equals. Other guys understand this. Hopefully one day you will too.
Yeah, women are just more "equal" than others.
Well that seems counterproductive to what I want
Then focus on important shit and not petty shit like uniforms, also advocate for father's and men's issues. There is nothing you don't already have that men do, in fact, it's the opposite right now especially when it comes to law and custody. The metoo bullshit has gone too far to the point men are literally segregating themselves out of fear of being fucked over by some bitch with a bad attitude. No one is happy with any of this either.
Again you are wrong on all parts.
What you see as petty shit is just another step in equality. I dont need to advocate for men's right because the rest of us are all trying to catch up. I'm just not interested in having more rights than men.
Metoo hasn't gone too far just because men are finally getting called out for being sexist assholes to women, men who have a problem with it are generally upset because they are getting called out for that kind of behavior.
I expected as much, your version of "equality" is entirely centered on giving women special privilege over men, this is why people no longer agree with feminism, you guys are full of shit and ignorant.
No it isn't. You aren't paying attention to what I'm saying. I dont want special privilege over men. I've said many, many times on this site, if women can't accept the drawbacks men also have to face then we don't deserve the same rights.
I want true equality when it comes to treatment. I realize we all have fundamental differences but those exist even within the same gender. The point is to be treated equally. For as much as guys on here love to try and post pithy remarks about "women's victimhood mentality" what I'm seeing is a lot of it coming from the guy side about their own status.
For some reason you have it all stuck in your head as feminism is this scary monster that wants to oppress men. I won't deny there are idiots within feminism who do want that, but that isn't what it is supposed to be at it's core. You are listening to the vocal minority of a movement and taking it as the gospel for the entire thing. That's like me saying all catholics are monsters because a small minority of priests took it upon themselves to force themselves on children and higher ups hid it. No, there are some really f*cked up people who just happened to also be catholic in that case.
If you would stop generalizing everyone under one umbrella you might leave yourself open to new experiences that you might actually be ok with.
Why would you ever want the women in your life to be seen as "less than" someone just because of their gender. Remember, feminism isn't just about the fight here, it is the fight for women everywhere. When women are stronger and as seen as equals it also means that the perceived responsibilities that men face when it comes to certain things goes away too. It could be just as accepted for women to ask men out and pay for dates, guys could be the carers at home while women support them, your spouses could be bringing in more money, and we don't have places in this world where gang rapes and shame killings aren't commonplace. Where basic liberties we take for granted here are not stripped from women elsewhere. Where a woman can stand up and take back her body whether it be as simple as a uniform in line more with the men or not be censored for even modest clothing because of these ideals women's bodies are just for sexual purposes.
Maybe when the guys such as yourself and others who posted in opposition to this MyTake just sit down and have an actual conversation to really just listen and not dismiss concerns or denigrate achievements, that we might ALL find ourselves in a better/happier place.
"I've said many, many times on this site, if women can't accept the drawbacks men also have to face then we don't deserve the same rights."
Then we are in agreement, they do NOT take accountably for their actions and blame it on men 99.9% of the time.
"Why would you ever want the women in your life to be seen as "less than" someone just because of their gender."
Because you people often assume the not being the same= less than, while also hypocritically ignoring issues men have
"Remember, feminism isn't just about the fight here, it is the fight for women everywhere. When women are stronger and as seen as equals it also means that the perceived responsibilities that men face when it comes to certain things goes away too. It could be just as accepted for women to ask men out and pay for dates, guys could be the carers at home while women support them, your spouses could be bringing in more money"
Yeah except women do not at all like being in that position and get resentful of men that can not lead, since you read so much of this horseshit look into how feminists claim dating male feminists is lame and "unempowering"
"and we don't have places in this world where gang rapes and shame killings aren't commonplace. Where basic liberties we take for granted here are not stripped from women elsewhere. Where a woman can stand up and take back her body whether it be as simple as a uniform in line more with the men or not be censored for even modest clothing because of these ideals women's bodies are just for sexual purposes."
That's funny considering you guys also support sex work being "real" work and advocate for a hoe culture, so which is it?
You generalized again. You gotta stop that.
¹women are just as guilty for not wanting to accept these as much as there are guys who don't want women to have access to them. Those ones, I suspect, are concerned about losing their identity and their role within the male/female dynamic.
² this is going to sound odd, but im not looking to be the same, I just want to be treated like an equal. A good feminist wouldn't just go and say "hey look at all the things the boys get, I want them too!" A radical one does that and wants even more. Those are just selfish a**holes. I'm aware of the drawbacks guys have to fake. No maybe not all of them, but I learn by having actual debates with people who want to debate in good faith. If there is something I didn't know, then I go back and amend my stance to get back to the equality I want for both sides.
³SOME* women don't, but again, this is a fight for equality not one for everyone being a cookie cutter model. I want it to be accepted more openly for a women to do those things. I want it to be more open for men to be ok with those things and not feel obligated to do them. There are both men and women who are stuck in this traditionalist mindset and you know what? That's ok too! All I ask is for those who do prefer the traditional way to not talk down to those who don't want it and vice versa. We can all accept that not everyone is going to do the same thing, but treat each other equally in saying "it isn't my thing but I respect your right to do it." Instead what we get is a lot of "you are a beta male for letting her be the dominant one or for standing up for her right to do it" or alternatively "she is a low value woman because she had the audacity to sleep with someone before me". Do you see how bullsh*t that is to do to people?
⁴sex work is real work. It's literally the world's oldest profession. You do realize that the argument is about choice right? I'm advocating for those who do want to sexualize their bodies. Im advocating for those who don't too. The argument is about choice and not being treated as "less than" for that choice.
¹"women are just as guilty for not wanting to accept these as much as there are guys who don't want women to have access to them. Those ones, I suspect, are concerned about losing their identity and their role within the male/female dynamic."
The male and female dynamic you're speaking about is not socially constructed, men and women act and respond to things differently BECAUSE they are men and women, again we are different and that isn't a bad thing.
² "this is going to sound odd, but im not looking to be the same, I just want to be treated like an equal. A good feminist wouldn't just go and say "hey look at all the things the boys get, I want them too!" A radical one does that and wants even more. Those are just selfish a**holes. I'm aware of the drawbacks guys have to fake. No maybe not all of them, but I learn by having actual debates with people who want to debate in good faith. If there is something I didn't know, then I go back and amend my stance to get back to the equality I want for both sides."
I agree with this to an extent, but women and men are not treated equal and they shouldn't be. They should be treated as men and women, and no that doesn't mean being cruel towards women and sucking off any dumb guy that has an opinion.
³SOME* women don't, but again, this is a fight for equality not one for everyone being a cookie cutter model. I want it to be accepted more openly for a women to do those things. I want it to be more open for men to be ok with those things and not feel obligated to do them.
Let's be real here, women do not at all like taking care of a dude or being the breadwinner while he sits at home and does the traditional stuff women do. There are countless posts and information confirming this. The most successful relationship dynamic between a man and a woman is when the guy is not in that position.
There are both men and women who are stuck in this traditionalist mindset and you know what? That's ok too! All I ask is for those who do prefer the traditional way to not talk down to those who don't want it and vice versa. We can all accept that not everyone is going to do the same thing, but treat each other equally in saying "it isn't my thing but I respect your right to do it." Instead what we get is a lot of "you are a beta male for letting her be the dominant one or for standing up for her right to do it" or alternatively "she is a low value woman because she had the audacity to sleep with someone before me". Do you see how bullsh*t that is to do to people?
I agree with it isn't my thing but I respect your right to do it, but far too often being traditional is mocked and shat on by your group and you go out of your way to actively destroy it, same with the nuclear family.
¹ but not all of them. There are a lot of fluctuations even within the same gender. For example, there are guys who absolutely agree 100% with me on here while you don't. It doesn't make either of you somehow less of a man. I never said it was a bad thing, I'm asking that we just say that when it comes to men and women we treat then equally as a person. A great example of this is you and I. We didn't agree at all and started talking a bunch of sh*t back and forth. We were both equally childish and im fine admitting that. Now we are acting like adults and actually debating which im also perfectly happy to admit as well. Guess what happened when we did? We found that we had some small common ground to stand on. That's the equality im referring to. I didn't look down on you for being a man and you didn't look down on me for being a woman in that moment. We can disagree, it's PERFECTLY fine. Being able to respect each other enough to say "yeah they have a valid point and I can get in their side about that" is equality, not outright dismissing me as "just being a woman who doesn't know her place".
² I feel like you are missing the intent of what im saying about equality. Let me put it in a super basic idea. Can you carry more weight than I can if we were moving furniture? Most likely, yes. Does it mean that I can't also do that work? Of course not. I just have to find a different way to do it. Equality means not eliminating me from doing the work just because you may have an easier time at it than I would.
³ i counter with personally knowing situations where this is the case and they are fine with it. My sister in law and my brother for example ( but not my only one). She HATES doing housework and wants to be the one in the business management fields. My brother watched our kids for extra money but mostly took care of the house. I know other examples where this is the case. It doesn't make him less of a man and it doesn't make her less of a woman. Equality looks at them and says "I don't care which of you do it as long as it gets done". Your statistics will change as more people become comfortable with the idea. That is the same thing I talk about with the uniforms. Things don't change overnight. Lgbt rights is another example. It wwnt from being hidden and a great personal risk to come out vs what we have in western society now where we can actually have representation in media.
⁴ I don't sh*t on it. I encourage all kinds of different things without judgment. What my goal and possibly those with non radicalized versions of feminism want is just the equality across the board. For nobody to be placed into a role based on what letter is on their birth certificate in the sex field.
I feel like we can go back and forth over semantics all day long and find points of our arguments that are outlier's without reaching a concensus. Guys like me aren't advocating for women to be treated like shit, but they are not equal and it's harmful to tell them that they should be, you end up with a generation of men that don't understand how to lead and a generation of women that feel like they have to while the majority of both of them aren't happy, marriage declines, there is no moral compass, and everyone does any wild shit they want to because if everything is ok than nothing is off limits. The irony here is that you guys are basically trying to make women what men were, the same thing you're fighting against it's odd to see you guys praise women for doing one thing but shun guys for doing the exact same thing and don't see the hypocrisy.
Not true at all, it means we all need to learn how to do it because the competition for spots makes it harder to claim a position. Iron sharpens iron. It is the same in business, if a monopoly takes over and there is no competing then everyone becomes complacent to a norm that isn't fair or right.
What do you think about what’s happening to women in Afganistán right now?
It is absolutely awful that all that progress is basically being reset. While I dont necessarily disagree about pulling our soldiers out, those poor people are about to enter a new dark age again, especially the women.
There hasn’t been a American military casualty in Afghanistan since February 2020. We have a low level of troops there for stability and PREVENTING terrorism. We were spending 45 billion dollars a year. While that sounds like a big number that’s actually only a fraction of what it’s going to cost us down a road then they shelter terrorists who start attacking us again.
As for women’s rights. The Biden administration had insanely and comically “asked” the Taliban to treat women nice. Like those 8th century cavemen give a shit. They must be laughing their asses off.
Anyway you are NOT brave being a “feminist” in the western world. True women’s rights is helping women where they are legitimately oppressed.
Pretty sure you don't get to decide that. Any step forward is being brave because even in my case where I write a small little blurb on an social media app, I am having to answer people question things like my intelligence, commitment, in some cases even sanity for even having the audacity to point out something like taking a stand on uniforms.
True women's rights means helping women everywhere. Their level of need is obviously much higher, but that doesn't mean we don't celebrate victories where we can get them.
For those who don't understand it, let's put it in sports terms for you. I will use football, but feel free to plug in any sport you want.
Your favorite team's defense gets a sack on the quarterback, you cheer that on, right?
Your offense scores a touchdown, you are still celebrating that right?
Do either of those events on their own win you the Superbowl? Of course not. You have weeks and weeks of all those small plays building up into wins on the record book until your team eventually wins it all.
Now sometimes during a season injuries happen and you could have a setback. Sometimes your team just needs better players so you make trades. Those setbacks always happen, but you keep finding ways to get those victories until the help is in place to get you back to full strength.
So yeah, you can think it is silly to cheer on women standing up for their rights to wear a uniform, but how is it any different than people who cheer on a team in sports? To watch your kids take their first steps? To get recognition at work for your hard work?
All those small things that in the grand scheme of things seem small, add up. By women making a stand in one or two countries we are showing that the idea that women can be treated a certain way just isn't going to work anymore. Women (for higher education) and minorities even here in the US were not given access to things like education until sometime after white males. Slowly that mindset changed as more and more women stood up and refused to accept it anymore.
The more of the world that sees things like this and see we aren't taking it anymore can generate more pressure to do something about what is happening there.
Why are you assuming women's choices are sexist against them?
Please clarify this further
Why, a board of women choosing for women to wear what women want to wear, sexist?
Is the board of male boxers sexist because it makes men wear even more skimpy clothing than female boxers? Is the thai muay thai board sexist against men because it allows trans women to wear tops but not cis men?
It isn't a board of women. The European Handball Federation is a board of predominantly men. The president is Michael Wiederer and vice president is Predrag Bošković
Also, I dont care if guys want to wear more clothing in boxing or muy thai. Go for it. If they start asking for it and not getting it then I'd be just as upset for them
And the european board of woman's handball?![Another step forward: From walking in the shadow of men to being equals]()
Do you understand that the EHF doesn't decide the uniform for women's handball only the women's board of the IHF, and that they are elected by female members of the international woman's handball federation?
Isn't it interesting how they didn't just wore men's uniforms?
Their rebellion against sexism was sexist on itself, if they asserted that both men and women suffered sexism, this wouldn't be the case.
Instead of bringing the issue to the women's board, before the events, they did a show with no self-awareness.
And if this was an advantage, as they claim, they were disrespecting the other players.
All sports have rules against getting an advantage through equipment.
The IHF is made up of several regional areas including EHF. The council of the IHF (link below with the members of the council) make the decisions on the uniforms. You are referring to a smaller subset of a subset of a larger organization that makes the decisions.
https://www.ihf.info/about/council
The European league were still the ones that fined them based on the policies the council of the IHF set.
Yes. Those associations aren't called federations for no reason.
Women could just as easily make their own association. Like the men did, which gave birth eventually to the sui-genres organization because women wanted in.
And yes, they fined based on policy chosen by women of the IHF.
Imagine if they guys showed up wearing C-strings and won the entire championship because of it?
Those nords didn't won even bronze, so clearly it wasn't that much of an advantage.
You know...
I wanted to debate this further and tomorrow I just might, but today is my birthday. I think I can take one day off from this app and not feel forced to defend my thoughts.
Despite our disagreement here, I just wanted to say I hope you have a great day. I intend to do the same myself.
Have a great birthday! And no one here is in any obligation to answer anything, much less with expediency, relax, go enjoy!
Thank you! Had a little bit of a break so came back to respond to a few. I feel like I do need to respond when others take the time to respond to me. I feel like I owe them that much. Now if they get really insulting with me I'm just gonna remove their posts and move on with my life, but if they actually want to debate and bring actual data with them, then I REALLY want to talk to those people because they actually have conviction and I love debate. I want someone to talk me off my stance because lord knows there are times when I am absolutely wrong.
In fact, when you came with the EHF women's board I had to go double check myself because you had me doubting the initial search. I was sitting here like..."wait.. was there a women's board who specifically made the rules for women's uniforms?" Those kinds of things thrill me because it makes me question my own beliefs and do more research into my stance.
So for that, thank you. 😊
OOOOh...
I'm going to be both offensive and engaging. Always. At least for what I checked.
And the reason is, when ever the simples assumption is malice, people get offended.
look here, at the woman's board, you assumed women had no agency.
I can understand a sexist man thinking women have zero agency, but not a woman.
Or the other way around.
It would still be sexism, but at least I can assume blunt honesty.
Oh gosh... like I'm having to stop myself lmao
I love debate too much, especially with someone worthy of it.
For what I know, every one is worthy of debate.
I debate nazis on the regular because it keeps me sharp.
You atrophy what is not put to use.
Iunno there was a guy on here without anything useful to say just talking about how women are responsible for their own rapes in how they dress and I ended up having to remove his comments completely. There is no debate there and if he wants to have a sexually predatory mindset, he can do it on someone else's thread.
Well, everyone needs a warm up.
And guess what, you get to be as rude as possible, or not at all, and stretch those muscles!
I've heard that IRL from women groping me, here you get to work those quick wits skills with no risk.
I honestly feel that is where I am strongest actually. In a real time setting with no real delays in responding. As for being rude, I tend to reserve that for those who truly deserve it. I feel like if you can't make a point without being insulting then you really don't have a point to make at all.
Doesn't mean I can't keep up with anyone on here if we are going to insults, I'd just rather debate though.
Oh, we are very different.
Been raised by feminist belligerent women, so standing up to women is hard, but I'm getting better.
Besides, I was raised as a sucker/pacifist.
With gay men I just don't care. I'm not going to punch a guy just for cupping a feel, but if they go way out of line (which is rarer) I just have to make them know in what kind of problem they are getting themselves in and they just give up.
And when it comes to being rude, when there's no argumentation it becomes necessary, you make your point first without being rude. If it sounds like you are talking to a wall, you lay it out.
Or not, rude is subjective, very subjective.
Nothing wrong with pacifism, but it doesn't have to mean letting people walk over you either. There is a balance in there
Which is why I used sucker as well.
It meant letting people walk over me. And being punished physically when they did.
I was raised a little differently... ok a lot differently. My dad is the type who HEAVILY believed in gender roles and used the philosophy "if a woman want's to step into a man's world, then treat her like a man." Well, here I am. Growing up it was physically fighting with my brothers, today it is fighting in written format with people on the internet. I don't want it to be seen as someone arguing with a woman or a man. I just want it to be debating with an equal. That is all I have ever wanted.
So, your father didn't believed in gender roles. My mother and my sister really believed in gender roles.
My father didn't, he believed in treating people like people, IE, if a woman wants to behave like a typical man, treat her like a man, and like you, she thought it was unfair.
She cried like a little bitch when she lots in arm wrestling to a woman twice her size because she realized all the men let her beat them after the same woman got beaten in a second.
lol! And she was strong, by the way, probably more than most boys her age, but all you need to be stronger than both is being stronger than 50%.
She really lost her mind once puberty hit me like a truck, lol!
She took my mild manner as weakness, it wasn't easy for her to realize patience and tolerance was actually a strength, and why even at 8 I had thicker thighs and bigger butt than her even though I wasn't a sportist like her.
(I was used to running from bullies, including her.)
It was even harsher on her when she tried chocking me to death, pointlessly, because she was the smallest person who tried that on me. (our brother, way older, used to lift me by the neck with one hand when he was pissed with me, or sometimes, with anything else.)
Oh he ABSOLUTELY believed in gender roles. Guys were allowed to sit on their asses while the women were expected to serve them. My mom could have just got off work and he expected her to have dinner ready at 4 when he got home. When we got older I helped cook as well.
The treat her like a man was his way of saying "this is guys space. Stay in your own lane."
by the way, for any abuse you suffered, I'm so very sorry. It should never be that way for any child.
Are you sure? You really don't seem that sure.
Seem sure about what? That im sorry you suffered abuse? Of course im sorry
Sure about your father.
And relax, some people went through way worst.
Oh I know, but it still sucks. And yeah I'm 100% about my father. When my niece was born and my brother was walking her around he would always say, "don't bother with the tour, the only room she needs to know is the kitchen".
So yeah I'm pretty sure.
Are you really? Aren't you taking banter too seriously?
When my sister demanded me to drive her every where because she was a lady and scared I knew she was just lazy and wanting someone to make stuff easier for her.
And that wasn't a problem, in essence, I was just the sober driver and that was her banter.
I dont know what else to tell you. I lived through it so I know what I experienced
Are you sure you know?
I'm not saying that wasn't said, I'm asking if it was interpreted correctly.
Because of this post, mostly.
You certainly didn't interpreted the losing nord team theater in an internally consistent way,
Now we just need to work on the equality of women performing equally as men in sports. Come on ladies, stop being lazy and work harder.
If men has so much power then why does men are victims of female to male rape?
Gonna need you to think this one through a bit more.
So men doesn't necessarily have power?
Do I really need to explain this?
Yes, currently man have more power, but there are times certain men don't, but on the whole they still do.
> currently man have more power,
Prove it.
>but on the whole they still do.
You know that men aren't collectivist group right? Just because some men have more power doesn't mean men as a whole have power. Just because bil gates is rich doesn't mean I suddenly get rich.
*gestures wildly at the world at large* Seriously, it's everywhere. Power isn't just money.
So you are fucking tell me I am more powerful than Oprah?
Also define power.
Also am I powerful than that new Zealand prime minister? Can I force her to be the prime minister of our country?
I mean, if you can't use common sense, I am not going to try debating here *shrug*
Thanks for taking the time to read the article though
You still failed to define power and show me that I am powerful than Oprah. So I take it as a win.
If that's what you need to boost your fragile ego, by all means, do so : )
I feel like the one who left without even defining the word 'power' is probably the one with fragile ego.
Nope! I just can't debate with someone in good faith if they won't even use common sense. I can only carry the debate on for so long and then it just gets tiring. If you are going to be intentionally obtuse, there isn't much I can do to help you.
Soooo take your win for a competition that I didn't even know I was part of. Pat yourself on the back and print out a certificate of being the Bestest Debater, N. A. and do whatever else you need to feel better.
My lack of desire to participate isn't a retreat of your stellar debating skills, it is an indictment that you lack any.
If you think you can remedy your deficiencies, come back and avoid the silly questions you know the answers to already then I am willing to give you another chance. Otherwise, have a super terrific day!
I am arguing with good faith. I'm asking you to define certain things because I have enough common sense to know that people have very different definition for certain things.
Also every thing I said followed from your original logic. Your logic was
Men as a whole have more power than women - You never proved this claim nor the assumption necessary for this claim
Men can be weaker than women in certain situation
Even though Oprah has money she is powerless than men (which include me) in other ways - You never told be what those other ways are.
>come back and avoid the silly questions
Two question.
What is the definition of power?
Am I powerful than Oprah?
power
pou′ər
noun
The ability or capacity to act or do something effectively. A specific capacity, faculty, or aptitude. Physical strength or force exerted or capable of being exerted: synonym: strength.
In some ways yes, in some no.
I didn't have to answer this because you already knew it though.
Very quickly get to a point please.
>In some ways yes, in some no.
I can guarantee you , that she can do 99% things I can do more effectively. Only thing she can't do is speak Sinhalese.
The point is in every measurable way she is powerful than me. So your point about men are always powerful than women is Disproven.
The other point about "Men as a whole are more powerful than women".
Let assume this unprovable claim is true , So what? it tells nothing about the individual. This claim doesn't prove men can't be powerless or oppressed by other men or women. This is same as saying "USA as whole is powerful but that doesn't mean USA people are powerful or not opressed. It just mean some people within are powerful"
Also remember that we aren't talking about perceived power nor what people think about who should be in power. That's just patriachy. Or what I like to call it , cultural patriarchy (Except middle east. They have institutional patrachy) . We are talking about actual power.
Also let be real , prime minister of New Zealand is much much more powerful than Oprah.
Great! Just do me a favor and show me where I said men ALWAYS have power? I said they have more power on the whole.
This is why I didn't want to do this with you. I saw what you were trying to accomplish with your set up and it had nothing to do with what I said. You are trying to argue a point that occurred in your own head. You are trying to prove an "All or nothing" approach when that isn't even what was said. So no, you aren't arguing in good faith and I am over this.
"Yes, currently man have more power, but there are times certain men don't, but on the whole they still do."
The implication of "As a whole they still do" matters is here and "currently man have more power, but there are times certain men don't" implies that there isn't any man that was always was and will be powerless against a women. You didn't say some men are powerless against women , you said there are certain times they don't have power.
Also you still failed to prove your point of "Men as a whole have more power than women".
You seem to be the only one who doesn't seem to get it and you are arguing against yourself here. If you are failing to understand what it is written, then that is on you. If everyone failed to understand, then that would be on me. Since that isn't the case it is clear you are the issue and as I said I am done with this. I haven't failed to show examples. They are right there in the article.
I can't tell if this is just an elaborate troll attempt or just general confusion from your end, but I appreciate you taking the time to read the article, but it is time to end the conversation.
Excellent take. Well done. Fully agree.
Thank you very much for both your comment and for taking the time to read it!
You're welcome! :)
As far as the uniforms go, just go back to the original uniform, the nude body.
Wear the heck you want.
Very true and everyone thinks of love differently.
all you did was lower the viewership of the olympics even more lol
Which is very sad. It's an amazing sports event.
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 its a globalist cesspool run by international agencies with no integrity and are thus very defferential to totalitarian regimes.
why is taiwan not allowed to use their flag? hmm? fuck the olympics
Although you first comment was sexist, I 100% agree with your last post.
I know there are many politics involved, just like on literally every big sports competition. FIFA, the NBA, etc.
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 then none of them should be watched. sports never used to be like this
I totally agree. Sadly they are money making machines. But that doesn't mean the fans can't still cheer and annoy watching and the athletes give their best.
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 actually it does. to watch sports in this day and age is a sign of being a morally bad person
That is a giant leap in logic.
if you think something is wrong and continue to watch it anyways because its entertaining... yea that's wrong
I don't care about what is done on the side lines. I know that the athletes are there because they want to. Because they like what they do. Because they want to compete. Let them compete.
Literally everything in the world is a business moved under the strings of very rich and powerful people. We couldn't do anything in this life if we tried to avoid being a part of that system.
What part of his (false) claim that all this will do is lower viewership is sexist?
I'm starting to think your definition of sexism is "anything any women disagrees with"
Sort of like the BLM definition of racism.
@Lost_in_the_Woods how is my claim false? olympic viewership is way down
If women start covering their tits and asses, no one will watch their sports anymore and they already have low attendance. Do you want to destroy women's sports?
Well at least I know what you are paying attention to when watching guys sports too. Tight end have a double meaning to you then?
Men are selected for their skills. What do you know about being tight?
So are women. You just choose not to see it.
Well, I'm gonna venture to say I know a lot about it since I've never bothered to have sex with a guy when I enjoy sex with women so much better.
I'm not going to begrudge you for watching men's sports for their toned bodies. I can see the appeal for you. Most people watch them because of the competition and athleticism. You have chosen to watch sports because your porn subs expired and this was the next best thing for you. You do you, boo.
Now I understand why you hate men so much. You're a rug muncher😌 It's cool I have nothing against dykes.
Trust me losing the guys that just see their sport for that will not kill the sport.
And here comes the simp. Don't bother dude she's a lesbo.
I am married.
And stating a fact makes me a simp?
Oh right I am only not a simp if I agree with the bitter guys still living in their mother basement.
Yeah you sound like you traded your balls for a wedding ring a long time ago. Trying to rescue a fair maiden from a mean internet comment makes you a simp, not disagreeing with me.
I didn't come here to rescue her. I came here to disagree with you.
You are the one assuming first that I wanted her attention, then that my wife has my balls and now that I came to her rescue. No. I really came here for you. Disagreeing with people on this site is literally the reason I use it.
And you dare calling me a bitter man living in her mother's basement? You're the biggest loser here if that's why you really use gag.
Because I have fun hunting down guys like you?
Please! You are an embarrassment for the rest of us for the way you act. So yes I have fun arguing with you. Anti vaxxers, pro life's, sexists (both men and women), etc. That is my fun here.
Surrrrre! Lmao
Oh yay fun.. look what I missed. Soooo... because I find women sexually attractive im not allowed to like guys? I have lots of guy friends. I think most guys are awesome possum. Just because I don't want to sleep with them doesn't make them bad to me.
Timo8 here shows up and calls out your stupidity (rightfully so) and because you ran out of useful arguments you call him a simp. Let's do a little count here. Of the three of us, which two of us found attractive women to marry us and which of us is calling other people a simp?
I know you are kinda dense so let me help you out here. You are the lonely one here. And please don't try to bore us with some lie about how you get laid all the time.
Seriously, a majority of my sex life is about fingering and I still don't get as much use out of my hands sexually as you do from yours in your alone time.
You don't have lots of guy friends so stop lying, unless they're male feminists like this simp here in which case we can't call them men anymore. Finger all the cunts you want. Imagining your fat fingers going in and out of some ugly, obese feminazi dyke doesn't make me jealous. I won't even describe my sex life to you because you're not worth the keyboard strokes. I'll just say one thing. When your life partner decides to have a kid she'll have to come to men like me. This is probably true about the simp's wife too because he can't produce any sperm after years of soy consumption.
Ooooh boy I touched a nerve on that one, didn't I? You got your chubby little hands slamming the keyboard throwing every second rate insult at me and Timo8. That is freaking hilarious.
Whether you believe me or not about having a lot of male friends is inconsequential. It would require me to give a sh*t about you or your thoughts. The problem is, I just can't muster up enough will to do that.
Wait, I take that back, I do care enough to thank you for not trying to embarrass yourself making up stories of your sexual prowess. Trust me, I'm fairly certain you have been told several times you haven't been worth the strokes either, which good lord, considering it is just you and your hand... well.. that has to really bruise your ego.
Also, nobody is coming to you for children just so they can come out with webbed fingers, a massive overbite and a fragile ego. So let that little pipe dream go and have some respect for yourself cause frankly, nobody else will have you.
Believe whatever you want. Truth of the matter is is fun to mess with guys like you. You genuinely believe that women's sports needs the drooling "fans", let's call them fans, to survive? They don't. You want to speak with me bring facts to back it up.
There you go mistaking me for your vulnerable "guy" friends again. These cute little shots you take at me cannot bother me. I thought butch dykes were tough. Come up with something mean. I guess your alternative life partner is the butch in your relationship, which makes you the bitch. Just because you and I both like pussy doesn't make you a man like me. You're just some over the hill, saggy, man hating, short haired, dating market reject who had to settle for a lesbian because no man would have her.
And yet here you are again.
You are 100% right you are far from being a man. Like me. You actually think that if you curse that you sound though like a 5 year old.
And again those assumptions do nothing for your case. Literally none of that describes me, but I am guessing you are just projecting as a defense mechanism at this point.
I thought I was done putting you in your place but masochism is one of the characteristics of a beta. by the way, are you familiar with the concept of punctuation?
I am confused, at what point you though you were the one putting someone in their place? You clearly are not understanding this conversation. Well maybe I do need to use more punctuation maybe then reality will hit.
Maybe instead of playing with your little weights in your garage you should've read more books, you minimum wage earning meat head. Perhaps a book on English grammar. by the way the plates that your lifting in that picture are too small for you to make that face as if you were doing curls with 100 pounds. You're a lightweight dude. No amount of lifting would turn a simp into a man.
Thankfully I know about lifting and more about being a man than you. Case and point:
- That weight is at the end of a drop set that is why is so low.
- To me being a man is not the same as being a piece of shit. Clearly to you it is.
Was that English clear enough for you? Read it slowly maybe it will help you.
The biggest plates that I see in that picture are 15 pounders, so don't throw your bs jargon at me, lightweight. All I know is that you need to lift heavier because with your brain, you can only work in manual labor.
Love it! "I don't see bigger weights in that picture so they can't possibly be outside of the picture frame."
Child please... Clearly I am not the one with brain problems between us two. And by your knowledge of lifting I can imagine what shape is hidden behind that Anonymous profile.
I train like a real man and not like little manginas who do drop sets. You do 3 sets and you go for fatigue. Then you move on to the next exercise. It may not be the best method, but I make gains since I have testosterone in my body. You know what that is? It's what makes MEN lift bigger weights and grow full beards.
Don't lie dude you don't lift. You idea of lifting is lift a can of beer over your neck beard level while you curse at the referee while thinking all women are awful for not wanting a catch like you.
A can of beer still looks heavier than those itty bitty plates you use. But you wouldn't know how heavy a can of beer is. Girls like you drink appletinis.
Again showing you know nothing about lifting. Surprise surprise. How manly of you to brag that you drink beer. I also drink beer, but my to say you need to drink beer to be a man... Pathetic.
Arguing with you is boring. That's why I stopped hanging out with uneducated working class people. There's no wit in the conversations.
I agree there is not a single intelligent thought coming out of there... but that is why I find it fun. Serious conversations I have them outside the internet. Here I like to hunt for guys like you as a joke.
Your fake confidence is boring the hell out of me. Go do bicep curls with some paper clips or something.
Sure sure. If you are so bored stop answering. Easy.
There you go. If you wanna toss around insults at least let me give you something to work with so they can at least be accurate.
Trust me, there is absolutely nothing you are going to say about my looks that I don't already say about myself, but I would love to see the mental gymnastics you do to get something out there.
Here is the thing, you are hiding in anonymous. Now you have my name and my face to go along with my opinion, because unlike you I am bold enough to stand behind my opinion.
if your equal, play on the same team
So we can then hear people like yourself complain about your sport "being ruined" and how you will never watch again?
whining ruins everything
Embrace the wall no other solutions
didn't read this
Same. I just wrote it.
Thank you
boobs
I read this in Maranda Cosgrove's voice and I couldn't agree more.
(This is the best example I could find because Googling "ICarly Boobs" didn't return the expected results. 😂🤣😂🤣)
https://youtu.be/KTB9zyke680
I disagree
Thank you for taking the time to read it anyway. 😊