Reforming the military

[Pillarofhell]

We need to stop yelling at our troops. Everyone needs to be respected equally.

Ok that's all.

But it unprecedented. One of the greatest militaries to ever exist treated the officer and the soldier as equally important. You can read history if you can't trust me.

[FýrdracaDócincel]

The thing about this issue is that everyone's experiences seem to be vastly different.

You got people who are like "Our drill sergeant almost never yelled at us."

Then there are people who are like "Our drill sergeant forcibly pounded us up the ass at least once every day aND wE tUrnED oUt jUSt fInE."

So how do you determine if this is actually a problem?

[Pillarofhell]

By ignoring them

[SparklyMop7]

The purpose of the "harsh" treatment is to mentally break down people so they can handle the pressure.

If you're captured by the enemy, they're not gonna treat you as an equal. Soldiers have to be able to keep their cool and handle these things without giving up information

[Pillarofhell]

"MENTALLY BREAKDOWN " THATS CALLED ABUSE

[SparklyMop7]

The enemy isn't gonna treat you as an equal

[Pillarofhell]

Yea we know

[Pillarofhell]

Thats why the officers dont treat you as an equal

[SafiyaHearts]

How else are you supposed to get everyone’s attention? Your pretty much dumb. It’s when everyone takes it seriously, you have to expect that. You never been to the military have you?

[Pillarofhell]

By incentivizing

[FýrdracaDócincel]

Have you?

[OlderAndWiser]

Did you ever serve in the military?

[Pillarofhell]

I dont need to. Soldiers get ptsd, even drone operators do, because they feel coerced to do everything theyre told

[Pillarofhell]

"Serve" is a pretty toxic word to use too

[OlderAndWiser]

Your brief responses speak volumes!

[Pillarofhell]

Yea I've had the passion sucked out of me

[Pillarofhell]

It destroys their personality. One commenter even recognized that. Wtf. Stop blindly following tradition

[Pillarofhell]

Joining the military today is like having your balls cut off

[OlderAndWiser]

There is a message in what you have said, and that message is quite obvious.

[Pillarofhell]

Im not trolling

[msc545]

People that get yelled at do not get PTSD - if they did, my office would be overflowing with them, and it isn't

[exitseven]

I remember getting yelled at in basic training by a DI who was from the sough somewhere. I could barely understand what the hell he was bellowing at me. I just jumped until the yelling stopped. I figured this was just a way to teach me to deal with confusion. It sure came in handy after I got married.

[Pillarofhell]

Yea the deal is is that those sergeants are being used by the officers to gaslight you into thinking there's a tangible difference between you and him

[Pillarofhell]

Its abuse and needs to stop ASAP. Recognition like with a salute or by not saluting them is far different than disrespecting people and their potential

[exitseven]

I was in ROTC and knew that in a few years I would be an officer so I just kept my sense of humor and dealt with it. I never felt like anyone was really being abused.

[Dargil]

You are astonishingly in error and I can't begin to educate you.
Semper Fi

[Pillarofhell]

Proud to be raped by a loudmouth

[Dargil]

I forgive your ignorance. Both I said softly.

[Pillarofhell]

Your under the control of the stockholm effect

[Dargil]

Never heard of it. But it's true that left-liberals accuse conservatives of what they do. So correcting your ignorance on both spelling and terminology: YOU'RE under the control of the Stockholm SYNDROME.

You are really weak. Go back to Mom's cellar.

[Pillarofhell]

Were or were not you abused for months and years in the military bootcamp and "service"?

[Pillarofhell]

not abused but "broken down and reshaped"

[Pillarofhell]

If you say you're in a service or have served anyone, you're calling yourself servile with no will or personality or power of your own. Thats sad. So much lost potential.

[Dargil]

I was never abused, although I was trained vigorously. I didn't want to die. I wanted to kill bad guys.

[FýrdracaDócincel]

Lol "bad guys."

Meaning whoever our government doesn't like, right?

[Dargil]

@FýrdracaDócincel Meaning whoever has an AK47 pointed at me.

[Pillarofhell]

Lol the Good guy vs bad guy trope

[Anonymous]

We need to go back to the military of the 1970s and 1980s. There should be more yelling and more, as they called it, "wall-to-wall counseling". We need mentally and physically tough men in our ranks again.

[EnglishEuropean]

I was invited to comment but I don't know anything about the military so I'll just post a video clip from Full Metal Jacket:

https://www.youtube.com/embed/tHxf17yJsKs

[msc545]

With all the problems that this country has relative to financing the military by enriching the defense contractors, this strikes me as a rather minor problem

[Pillarofhell]

The structure of the military is minor?

[msc545]

I don't think this is about the structure of the military particularly. The military has a habit of yelling at people who first join and that is an old tradition in while it is sort of disgusting, that's what they do. I'm not going to worry about it.

[Pillarofhell]

It reflects on its poor structure. the dummies enforcing it aka drill sergeants are enlistees themselves

[Pillarofhell]

Thats how Britain ruled india. They gave a few indians power. Officers have given a few enlistees, who they hate, power

[msc545]

I didn't experience it, and I have heard only one veteran out of about 4000 complain about it, so it doesn't seem like a big deal unless physical abuse is also involved.

[Vetera]

This is the dumbest thing I've ever read.