Christina Hoff Sommers-The War on Boys Suzanne Venker-The Flip Side of Feminism Past president of the National Organization for Women Dr Warren Farell’s entire bibliography, which is considerable. Notable among them The myth of male power and his most recent book The Boy Crisis.
I used to read Suzanne’s blog and find some of it interesting until she teamed up with the likes Anthony Johnson and his 22 convention for women. She seems to have no problem with his call to keep women pregnant and in the kitchen and that concerns me.
@MzAsh not sure about that, I’ve heard the name 22 convention but haven’t watched her entire series. I got started with her when I first heard that she valued both genders equally, and have watched maybe half of her playlist in her YT channel. I know there is a lot more to it than just YT and that one book, but im at the end of grad school now and so any additional reading is tough at the moment.
I totally agree. Feminism is getting out of hand, (disagree your heart out, extreme feminists) but I'm sure there are feminists who agree with you and me but are still called feminists, so I'm not going to lump all of em in with this
Feminism has gone out of control. However, how come women have rights to grow hair in prison while men don’t? If rape is about power, not sex, is that why everyone calls it rape when I dated an eleven-year-old while being 16? We didn’t have sex, just kissing and hugging. If feminism is viewed as normal, is masculism also? If equality is supposed to be a good thing, how come many Facebook people got angry at #AllLivesMatter in the name of equality and congruence? Feminism reminds me of #BlackLivesMatter. Females and Blacks should have rights, and so should other people.
Well feminism, literally means advocacy of women's rights. Equality is not and has never been the goal of feminism, but only a justification to push for more rights for females, hence the name feminism. If they were pushing for equality, It'd be called equalitism (Which actually is kind of a real thing but not really).
Well said and I agree with as they say "eeeerrrthinggggg"... I'll say it again these mgtow and feminism movement are just toxic! pure toxicity! someone needs to cancel them, where's cancel culture when you need it?
These scumbag humans against feminism are such losers, taking every right and power away from women while raping their bodies at the same time. Worse, they want the government to ban abortions at a federal level including rape and incest. These misogynistic bastards need to apologize for their crimes against womanhood. If not, we will go to World War III and nuke every human being and let them burn rotten to hell in eternity for their crimes against humanity. We must either keep feminism and let women have their rights, or we must all die to extinction on the final day of judgment. The choice is yours.
I know, right? Especially from the troll farm in Russia, which helped Trump win the election and let him and his goons take away women's rights including Roe v. Wade.
You're right in many things you said, but the part about rape and finding men as sexual assault offenders, although it sounds harsh on men but this evil spreading actually saved me from getting raped four years ago, if my nerves didn't weirdly speculate about the man that was following me I'd have been successfully drugged instead of running and screaming at the top of my lungs for help.
Yeah, but was that actually thanks to feminism? Or your instincts? Because feminists want you to believe a guy is predatory even when he's not. And they train women to falsely assume some guy is bring "creepy" when he isn't.
My instincts did work first but I shook them off by chiding myself for being paranoid and dirty-minded. Then I thought even the fourth wave of fenimism wouldn't be so mean on a man just for being on the same road with a woman, then I realized it actually does. I broke at cold sweat and I asked myself "Just, what if?" I walked at my normal pace while telling myself there's no harm in dash running after the next turnaround street, and observed if there's light in the apartments of buildings I was passing by while pretending ti be admiring the night sky. I began calming down and as I was about to reach the end of the street, I was even beginning to think whether to use it as joke to tell my friends. And that's when I noticed his pace quickening slightly with minium of sound. When he was about to press the handkerchief on my mouth after taping my shoulder I slapped his hand hovering above my shoulder and found a gap to step back and run.
What you're saying is feminism isn't real feminism. Real feminists empower men. I'm a feminist and I don't believe auto insurance should be lower for women just because she's a woman. I don't believe women should receive a lighter sentence because she's a woman. That wouldn't be equality, now would it? Feminism ≠ female supremacy/misandry
One killed herself recently after she lived as a man for a while, as she could not handle life as a man. She did give quite insightful information that most women today can really learn from. I do wish she had not gone to extremes in the name of research, but now she is a real example of reality. Man and women are different, modern feminists are lying to modern women and it saddens me deeply
@Suyeon_Oblablabla Yes, they are some of the world's biggest liars and goofs. They are extremely insecure women who just want to be seen and heard and want to make it as if all women are in the same boat with them.
I have no problem with women being able to do as I can. But honestly, feminism is look like more an organization for political purposes more than they are fighting for women. Just is not much but political trend is expressed a lot in there.
I am grateful for what feminism has done for women and other countries where women are treated like shit (Afghanistan for example) need it desperately. However, men's issues should not be ignored, nor should men be demonized as some kind of petty payback. Feminism can stay, but it need's to reach out to men more and make it perfectly clear that they don't hate them, or view them as enemies (except misogynists). Also they need to start calling out and shaming their more extreme members.
What really bothers me the most is their lack of tolerance for women that want to be feminine. If you really were for all women you’d respect whatever choices they wanted to make.
I agree with a fair few points. But your entire take seems to depend on “feminism” being a univocal monolith, when it’s nothing of the sort (anymore than are e. g. conservatism, liberalism, or socialism).
It is a kind of univocal monolith. Or at least, American feminism is. Which is practically what has altered the world. I doubt feminism in other countries is the same.
@Robbey Depending on your definition, you can say political feminism is as described, but that doesn't mean every woman who identifies as a feminist agrees with it.
One thing I certain though, the dictionary definition is wrong as hell, egalitariske is what the dictionary definition really describes. Feminsitedse seems to universally believe in the patriarchy, yet this core belief is omitted by the dictionary definition.
@Hispanic-Cool-Guy It's actually rare for me to write or talk about feminism, and I do ignore them 9 times out of 10, but this time I had something to say and... well... said it.
Their own words. I can get you examples if you’d like but it would be quicker and easier for you to check out libs of TikTok for yourself. All she does is assemble these teachers naming their crimes abuses or excesses, she doesn’t create any of them.
So title to federal education code prohibits cameras entering classrooms for almost any reason because it is so difficult to protect the privacy of the minor children entrusted to the care of the institution, soul capturing them in the act is going to be somewhat difficult. However, when they go on the Internet to brag about their offenses it’s still just as legitimate an admission of guilt as catching them doing it.
@Sixgunsound: Since when cameras can't be in classrooms? Must be new.
Proof will be to me actual data has been attained that teachers are teaching young boys and girls how to be a feminists and brainwashing them with feminism.
As radical feminist, I actually think this is a great question. lol But likely it's because they don't like the things feminism has helped achieve and they don't believe in what we fight for. I actually think a big part of Trump's popularity is sexism as well - men who long for a time past when women had fewer rights and knew how to "stay in their place." They cloak it in different language today, but that's basically what they mean.
Also, it's possible that many men are angry and bitter and want someone to blame. Scapegoating has always been a political tool and inspiration. People blame immigrants for shit not caused or related to them, they blame feminism (and women in general, to be honest...) for things in their lives (or not even sometimes lol) that make them upset, depressed, etc. I honestly think many men are fundamentally jealous of women and feel insignificant in their own personhood/manhood. They want to control and conquer women to feel better about themselves and more powerful. It makes sense psychologically, given how women have gained more rights in society and men may feel they've lost that power over them (or the substance that traditionally defined masculinity for a period of time).
Well, strong and confident men support feminists, so don't have a reason to be threatened by it.
Giving them the benefit of the doubt, they may just be around more of us than you are. I don't know. That's even weirder to me, though. The men who secretly hide their sexism, but smile cowardly in your face. I want to know who these motherfuckers are. Speak with your chest in public, as they say. Don't hide and then scurry to the internet to argue why you think men are superior to women and xyz. Then again, sexists are more bold than they have been in a while and now we have them pushing for nationwide abortion bans, so they're doing something right lol
You are getting your wish a bunch of fellas pretending to be women are shutting down all women. Rights that were fought for are now being eroded by men dressed as women.
I love the way the women can't believe other women could disagree with such a deadly social bacteria. It HAS to be that they're actually men in disguise. L oh fucking L🤣
It was never equality from the start. If a movement like that goes extreme, it proves what I claim. No movement is truly about equality. Only equality is equality.
Yeah, totally agree. I support womens' rights, but "feminist" is a loaded word these days and there are certain affiliations one will take by identifying with them.
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For further reading:
Christina Hoff Sommers-The War on Boys
Suzanne Venker-The Flip Side of Feminism
Past president of the National Organization for Women Dr Warren Farell’s entire bibliography, which is considerable. Notable among them The myth of male power and his most recent book The Boy Crisis.
I actually read some of The War On Boys ages ago when I was a teen lol.
I quoted it a few times in an academic setting. That went about as well as you would expect.
I used to read Suzanne’s blog and find some of it interesting until she teamed up with the likes Anthony Johnson and his 22 convention for women. She seems to have no problem with his call to keep women pregnant and in the kitchen and that concerns me.
@MzAsh not sure about that, I’ve heard the name 22 convention but haven’t watched her entire series. I got started with her when I first heard that she valued both genders equally, and have watched maybe half of her playlist in her YT channel. I know there is a lot more to it than just YT and that one book, but im at the end of grad school now and so any additional reading is tough at the moment.
I totally agree. Feminism is getting out of hand, (disagree your heart out, extreme feminists) but I'm sure there are feminists who agree with you and me but are still called feminists, so I'm not going to lump all of em in with this
I too, struggle with the lie of 'being feminine is weak'... Sniff. That's why I don't think 'feminine and masculine' should exist.
Feminism has gone out of control. However, how come women have rights to grow hair in prison while men don’t? If rape is about power, not sex, is that why everyone calls it rape when I dated an eleven-year-old while being 16? We didn’t have sex, just kissing and hugging. If feminism is viewed as normal, is masculism also? If equality is supposed to be a good thing, how come many Facebook people got angry at #AllLivesMatter in the name of equality and congruence? Feminism reminds me of #BlackLivesMatter. Females and Blacks should have rights, and so should other people.
Well feminism, literally means advocacy of women's rights. Equality is not and has never been the goal of feminism, but only a justification to push for more rights for females, hence the name feminism. If they were pushing for equality, It'd be called equalitism (Which actually is kind of a real thing but not really).
Well said and I agree with as they say "eeeerrrthinggggg"... I'll say it again these mgtow and feminism movement are just toxic! pure toxicity! someone needs to cancel them, where's cancel culture when you need it?
movements*
You are still here with no electricity ?
These scumbag humans against feminism are such losers, taking every right and power away from women while raping their bodies at the same time. Worse, they want the government to ban abortions at a federal level including rape and incest. These misogynistic bastards need to apologize for their crimes against womanhood. If not, we will go to World War III and nuke every human being and let them burn rotten to hell in eternity for their crimes against humanity. We must either keep feminism and let women have their rights, or we must all die to extinction on the final day of judgment. The choice is yours.
It's amazing how many chicks are now posing as men with these fake accounts too.
I know, right? Especially from the troll farm in Russia, which helped Trump win the election and let him and his goons take away women's rights including Roe v. Wade.
You're right in many things you said, but the part about rape and finding men as sexual assault offenders, although it sounds harsh on men but this evil spreading actually saved me from getting raped four years ago, if my nerves didn't weirdly speculate about the man that was following me I'd have been successfully drugged instead of running and screaming at the top of my lungs for help.
Yeah, but was that actually thanks to feminism? Or your instincts? Because feminists want you to believe a guy is predatory even when he's not. And they train women to falsely assume some guy is bring "creepy" when he isn't.
My instincts did work first but I shook them off by chiding myself for being paranoid and dirty-minded. Then I thought even the fourth wave of fenimism wouldn't be so mean on a man just for being on the same road with a woman, then I realized it actually does. I broke at cold sweat and I asked myself "Just, what if?"
I walked at my normal pace while telling myself there's no harm in dash running after the next turnaround street, and observed if there's light in the apartments of buildings I was passing by while pretending ti be admiring the night sky.
I began calming down and as I was about to reach the end of the street, I was even beginning to think whether to use it as joke to tell my friends.
And that's when I noticed his pace quickening slightly with minium of sound. When he was about to press the handkerchief on my mouth after taping my shoulder I slapped his hand hovering above my shoulder and found a gap to step back and run.
Why does this sound like something out of a novel?
Wow, that's one way to go in offending someone telling their story
And to answer your question, it's because I'm an internet writer as hobby so this is 100% the reason.
I'm out!
Two wrongs don't make a right.
@Rania05 OMG
I think she's telling the truth, y'all.
@Jamie05rhs Properly, but that is still no excuse for feminismem.
@smølf But it literally saved her life. So she makes a valid point.
@Jamie05rhs it didn't, it was har own stupidity that caused the issue, and believing in lies can't be excuse the claims of unrelated stupid thinking.
@smølf How was she stupid? Please explain.
@Jamie05rhs Using the example to defend the stupidity that is feminism, is in itself, stupid.
I don't think she was using it to defend feminism.
@Jamie05rhs That's the basis of my statement, if I am wrong, then it's an invalid statement.
What you're saying is feminism isn't real feminism. Real feminists empower men. I'm a feminist and I don't believe auto insurance should be lower for women just because she's a woman. I don't believe women should receive a lighter sentence because she's a woman. That wouldn't be equality, now would it? Feminism ≠ female supremacy/misandry
Well, you will need to explain that to mainstream feminists who do exactly what I explained in this Take.
These mainstream feminists you're talking about aren't real feminists then
This fake feminism is what needs to go, true feminism needs to stay
Men and women have advantages and disadvantages which does suck yes I agree. I think you have a point.
Feminism is wrong and they are mostly what you say and many good women with sense in their heads have walked away long ago
The fastest way to get rid if feminism would be to start treating women like men.
See how long they want equality
I see your point.
Google norah vincent
One killed herself recently after she lived as a man for a while, as she could not handle life as a man. She did give quite insightful information that most women today can really learn from. I do wish she had not gone to extremes in the name of research, but now she is a real example of reality. Man and women are different, modern feminists are lying to modern women and it saddens me deeply
@Suyeon_Oblablabla Yes, they are some of the world's biggest liars and goofs. They are extremely insecure women who just want to be seen and heard and want to make it as if all women are in the same boat with them.
@Suyeon_Oblablabla All political ideologies lie because they are all based som infactual ideas.
OMG people are pushing girl power to far where it is starting to screw men over
I have no problem with women being able to do as I can. But honestly, feminism is look like more an organization for political purposes more than they are fighting for women. Just is not much but political trend is expressed a lot in there.
I am grateful for what feminism has done for women and other countries where women are treated like shit (Afghanistan for example) need it desperately. However, men's issues should not be ignored, nor should men be demonized as some kind of petty payback. Feminism can stay, but it need's to reach out to men more and make it perfectly clear that they don't hate them, or view them as enemies (except misogynists). Also they need to start calling out and shaming their more extreme members.
I kinda like that idea. Force them to prove themselves, yeah.
What really bothers me the most is their lack of tolerance for women that want to be feminine. If you really were for all women you’d respect whatever choices they wanted to make.
Exactly.
I agree with a fair few points. But your entire take seems to depend on “feminism” being a univocal monolith, when it’s nothing of the sort (anymore than are e. g. conservatism, liberalism, or socialism).
It is a kind of univocal monolith. Or at least, American feminism is. Which is practically what has altered the world. I doubt feminism in other countries is the same.
@Robbey Depending on your definition, you can say political feminism is as described, but that doesn't mean every woman who identifies as a feminist agrees with it.
One thing I certain though, the dictionary definition is wrong as hell, egalitariske is what the dictionary definition really describes. Feminsitedse seems to universally believe in the patriarchy, yet this core belief is omitted by the dictionary definition.
I never understood why are some men obsessed with feminism? It's ridiculous. LOL
Why not just ignore them?
Do you actually as a man come into contact with one of those pink hair crazy feminists on daily or a couple times a week? Probably not.
As a teacher, angry feminists are an occupational hazard.
@Sixgunsound: OK, assuming you are right, do you actually think they are teaching their students radical feminism BS?
Yes. Yes I do.
@Sixgunsound: Based on what? Personal suspicion or recorded data and studies?
@Hispanic-Cool-Guy It's actually rare for me to write or talk about feminism, and I do ignore them 9 times out of 10, but this time I had something to say and... well... said it.
Their own words. I can get you examples if you’d like but it would be quicker and easier for you to check out libs of TikTok for yourself. All she does is assemble these teachers naming their crimes abuses or excesses, she doesn’t create any of them.
@Sixgunsound: I'm not talking about something substantial, not TikTok BS.
So title to federal education code prohibits cameras entering classrooms for almost any reason because it is so difficult to protect the privacy of the minor children entrusted to the care of the institution, soul capturing them in the act is going to be somewhat difficult. However, when they go on the Internet to brag about their offenses it’s still just as legitimate an admission of guilt as catching them doing it.
Ed law 2-D to be precise.
If you can’t take them at their own word, what proof would be “substantial” enough for you?
@Sixgunsound: Since when cameras can't be in classrooms? Must be new.
Proof will be to me actual data has been attained that teachers are teaching young boys and girls how to be a feminists and brainwashing them with feminism.
Well if you’re going to functionally use the word in the definition we’re not going to get anywhere. 2d is fairly new, adopted in NY in 2020.
Some people are obsessed with killing cockroaches. It's a hobby.
As radical feminist, I actually think this is a great question. lol But likely it's because they don't like the things feminism has helped achieve and they don't believe in what we fight for. I actually think a big part of Trump's popularity is sexism as well - men who long for a time past when women had fewer rights and knew how to "stay in their place." They cloak it in different language today, but that's basically what they mean.
Also, it's possible that many men are angry and bitter and want someone to blame. Scapegoating has always been a political tool and inspiration. People blame immigrants for shit not caused or related to them, they blame feminism (and women in general, to be honest...) for things in their lives (or not even sometimes lol) that make them upset, depressed, etc. I honestly think many men are fundamentally jealous of women and feel insignificant in their own personhood/manhood. They want to control and conquer women to feel better about themselves and more powerful. It makes sense psychologically, given how women have gained more rights in society and men may feel they've lost that power over them (or the substance that traditionally defined masculinity for a period of time).
@RomanticRealist: You have a point. Strong and confident men won't be phased by feminism and feminists.
I just ignore them completely and don't remember they exists unless I'm on GAG.
Well, strong and confident men support feminists, so don't have a reason to be threatened by it.
Giving them the benefit of the doubt, they may just be around more of us than you are. I don't know. That's even weirder to me, though. The men who secretly hide their sexism, but smile cowardly in your face. I want to know who these motherfuckers are. Speak with your chest in public, as they say. Don't hide and then scurry to the internet to argue why you think men are superior to women and xyz. Then again, sexists are more bold than they have been in a while and now we have them pushing for nationwide abortion bans, so they're doing something right lol
You are getting your wish a bunch of fellas pretending to be women are shutting down all women. Rights that were fought for are now being eroded by men dressed as women.
I love the way the women can't believe other women could disagree with such a deadly social bacteria. It HAS to be that they're actually men in disguise. L oh fucking L🤣
@ManOnFire Maybe she was referring to men who "identify" as women and erodes women's rights away!
If so, she is sadly right.
It was never equality from the start. If a movement like that goes extreme, it proves what I claim. No movement is truly about equality. Only equality is equality.
or... you can join and live among the Taliban... and all your personal issues and problem will come to an end
Yeah, totally agree. I support womens' rights, but "feminist" is a loaded word these days and there are certain affiliations one will take by identifying with them.