The USA could follow the example of countries who have actual rehabilitation facilities but it will not. USA prisons are criminal college and it will turn a gentle person who got caught smoking weed into a hardened criminal who has been through rape and torture.
There are those in prison who can get drugs, cellphones, and who knows what else. Dishonest prison guards get them for the prisoners. Some of these guards even help prisoners escape.
I don’t believe prison rehabilitates people lol. I feel like people are most changed by religions they find in prisons rather than changing based on the prison itself. It’s bad; we still have to treat those individuals as people.
the most difficult thing after being released is getting back on your feet but it's almost impossible where you can't get a decent job with a record and there's so few resources to ger a social worker and people are so quick to judge you which in turn leads to depression and hostility due to the system failing you and it increases the recidivism rate. it's sad
it's funny you said that because i know someone who robbed a bank due to a severe addiction to oxycontin and was sentenced to 10 years. upon release he voluntarily went to a 1/2 way house but after 6 months of disappointment, 20 job applications later with jobs he specializes in didn't hire him he ended up checking out and gradually started hanging out with his old crew and within 3 months... well you what happens. smh
-----------I have known many people who went to prison and came out with their law degree, spoke 5 different languages, learned a new skill, so yeah it can work for the people who seek it.
I agree. Our system doesn’t deter crime, it doesn’t reform anyone, and it sets up perverse incentives to the extent it is privatized. We would be better off with corporal punishment for minor crimes and hard labor colonies with strict discipline (no gangs in charge) for serious criminals.
It doesn't, nor should it... it should be punishment and if someone re-offends the punishment goes up 10 fold each time.
In fact I'd say that the victims should have a veto power on if someone can get out or not, if they say no... they can't get out. After all they have the most to fear from them coming back.
Problem with this logic is it assumes people commit crimes just to be a jerk or because it gives them a thrill or whatever. And for a very small fraction, that may be true.
But more often than not, people commit crimes out of desperation, deprivation, and social pressure rooted in poverty. If someone steals because it's the only option to put food on the table for their family, do they deserve prison time? Because that happens a whole hell of a lot. There aren't a lot of robust support networks for people that don't make enough to live. And when you give people a criminal record for what is, in essence, a failure of the system, you make it even worse for them, making it nearly impossible to find a decent job after they serve their time.
@Varanus Yeah cause people rape because they are poor.
I am all for people convicted of crimes such as stealing though to not going to prison, they should be FORCED repay plus fees and interest what they stole.
If someone can undo what they did, they should be forced to undo it. If they cannot undo it then they need to stay in prison.
Actually victims do have some veto power when the prisoner applies to the parole board. Their testimony can dissuade the parole board on their decision on letting someone out.
There is a big difference between prisons in the world, you won't say the same thing about Norwegian prisons as US prisons for example. US prison work as intended, create a crime school which creates income and slaves to the owner when they are within the walls.
I think it rehabilitates the people who want to be and put in the work. They offer classes for example to teach certain trades like electricians and classes for anger management. For those who don't want to use their time in a productive manner, then it probably doesn't
It depends on a few factors, but it certainly can.
Obviously people with severe physiological issues can’t change, such as Ted Bundy etc. but the majority of people I believe can change with a bit of effort.
Norway has changed the way their prison system works and has dramatically reduced rates of re-offending, so I do believe it is possible and it’s what we should aim for
No, I think it makes people angrier than they were when they first went in. People who commit crimes to feel powerful will resent feeling powerless in prison, so the moment they get out they will commit another crime to get even with society for catching them the first time.
I also read that people who go to prison generally have shorter life spans than people who have NEVER been incarcerated. It spells bad news for their loved ones who are (and were) affected by their sentencing and conviction too.
Don't ask me why I googled it because it's too personal to tell here. However, it's true. Getting arrested and going to prison can have a negative effect on one's life expectancy.
You assume too much. Apparently you’ve only looked at US incarceration. You should check out Norway, Finland, and others where recidivism rates are unbelievably low compared to the US.
We should mention here that there are prisoner's that are doing time, but are totally innocent.
It depends on what you define as rehabilitation. They do have classes like school to get a GED so when you get out, you at least have a high school equivalent.
What they say about college degrees are a waste, a GED might not get you very far.
Well I think for drugs it should be primarily rehabilitative. For things like murder it should be punative (punishment). That being said too often does someone go in for something minor and get exposed to criminals for an extended period of time and come out even more likely to be a criminal. This is very bad and should be avoided.
Prisons are not for rehabilitation, they are a social trash can, a bit like vocational schools for non-criminals. Prisons punish the prisoner and put him in a position to no longer be able to enter civil society. There are recovery programs at least in Italy where I live, but very often they fail. This is because the problem is that the prisoner, even if he wants to redeem himself, now has the cain mark of the prison. No one can forgive a person who has been in prison.
Nope. Prison (at least, Western ones) usually ends up making worse people than they were after they come out. There's really no better solutions out there though, so oh well!
Korea rarely even sends people to prison. Pretty much just child molesters and murderers. I don't know the details of Korean prisons, but they're definitely softer and less brutal than American ones. The whole Korean justice system gives pretty light sentences, in general. Child molesters/rapists/pedophiles usually only get like 15 years or something. And many in Korea don't like how soft the punishments and prisons are.
Asia operates on shame culture, so all it takes to reduce crime is CCTV everywhere and a public shaming of criminals. Privacy outside of your home is completely non-existent, though. (I'm not sure if the public restrooms have CCTV cameras in them or not, but probably.) If a criminal DOES do something bad, they publicly shame them, which in Asia, is enough for family to pretty much disown them. So, yeah, crime is very low in South Korea. Most Koreans love the US, but wouldn't live there because gun culture and shootings scares the crap out of them. The Koreans who do move to the US, end up going to California.
Yes I agree. They go to the states where there is less racism and more Asian acceptance. Smart of them to do! They're also rich or well to do often times just like the Chinese. Immigration is expensive... unless you're doing it the illegal way..
Low crime offenders can go to prison gardening unit where its helped them learn to build fences an landscaping an low water usage for droughts they have some in a that have turned these peoples life around o they dont go to jail ever
To put simply, usa doesn't rehabilitate. You sit in jail/prison dealing with their schedule for you. You mainly get fed carbs unless you can afford better and deal with the prisoners around you along with the guards. You basicallyjust live your day to day scheduled life in prison, until you get out.
No it just makes them worse and makes them even better criminals then they go out in the world and do worse stuff to people and I am sure this is the government's intention. They want the world in chaos and they love making people pay fines and court costs but more than anything they love controlling people's lives and taking away their livelihood.
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The USA could follow the example of countries who have actual rehabilitation facilities but it will not. USA prisons are criminal college and it will turn a gentle person who got caught smoking weed into a hardened criminal who has been through rape and torture.
There are those in prison who can get drugs, cellphones, and who knows what else. Dishonest prison guards get them for the prisoners. Some of these guards even help prisoners escape.
I don’t believe prison rehabilitates people lol. I feel like people are most changed by religions they find in prisons rather than changing based on the prison itself. It’s bad; we still have to treat those individuals as people.
the most difficult thing after being released is getting back on your feet but it's almost impossible where you can't get a decent job with a record and there's so few resources to ger a social worker and people are so quick to judge you which in turn leads to depression and hostility due to the system failing you and it increases the recidivism rate. it's sad
I don't think you will find many find real religion in prison. When they get out they go back to their old ways.
it's funny you said that because i know someone who robbed a bank due to a severe addiction to oxycontin and was sentenced to 10 years. upon release he voluntarily went to a 1/2 way house but after 6 months of disappointment, 20 job applications later with jobs he specializes in didn't hire him he ended up checking out and gradually started hanging out with his old crew and within 3 months... well you what happens. smh
-----------I have known many people who went to prison and came out with their law degree, spoke 5 different languages, learned a new skill, so yeah it can work for the people who seek it.
I guess if you have a lot of free time you have more of a motivation for doing that.
Absolutely.
I agree. Our system doesn’t deter crime, it doesn’t reform anyone, and it sets up perverse incentives to the extent it is privatized. We would be better off with corporal punishment for minor crimes and hard labor colonies with strict discipline (no gangs in charge) for serious criminals.
It doesn't, nor should it... it should be punishment and if someone re-offends the punishment goes up 10 fold each time.
In fact I'd say that the victims should have a veto power on if someone can get out or not, if they say no... they can't get out. After all they have the most to fear from them coming back.
That's an interesting premise. But that is why some flee and fight it out with the cops as they may rather die than go back.
Problem with this logic is it assumes people commit crimes just to be a jerk or because it gives them a thrill or whatever. And for a very small fraction, that may be true.
But more often than not, people commit crimes out of desperation, deprivation, and social pressure rooted in poverty. If someone steals because it's the only option to put food on the table for their family, do they deserve prison time? Because that happens a whole hell of a lot. There aren't a lot of robust support networks for people that don't make enough to live. And when you give people a criminal record for what is, in essence, a failure of the system, you make it even worse for them, making it nearly impossible to find a decent job after they serve their time.
@Varanus Maybe instead of giving the Ukraine $17 billion, they should spend it on prisons?
@Varanus Yeah cause people rape because they are poor.
I am all for people convicted of crimes such as stealing though to not going to prison, they should be FORCED repay plus fees and interest what they stole.
If someone can undo what they did, they should be forced to undo it. If they cannot undo it then they need to stay in prison.
Actually victims do have some veto power when the prisoner applies to the parole board. Their testimony can dissuade the parole board on their decision on letting someone out.
There is a big difference between prisons in the world, you won't say the same thing about Norwegian prisons as US prisons for example. US prison work as intended, create a crime school which creates income and slaves to the owner when they are within the walls.
I think it rehabilitates the people who want to be and put in the work. They offer classes for example to teach certain trades like electricians and classes for anger management. For those who don't want to use their time in a productive manner, then it probably doesn't
The question is, will anyone give them a job when they get released?
It's certainly harder but I believe employers get a financial incentive from Govt for hiring ex cons
It depends on a few factors, but it certainly can.
Obviously people with severe physiological issues can’t change, such as Ted Bundy etc. but the majority of people I believe can change with a bit of effort.
Norway has changed the way their prison system works and has dramatically reduced rates of re-offending, so I do believe it is possible and it’s what we should aim for
No, I think it makes people angrier than they were when they first went in. People who commit crimes to feel powerful will resent feeling powerless in prison, so the moment they get out they will commit another crime to get even with society for catching them the first time.
I also read that people who go to prison generally have shorter life spans than people who have NEVER been incarcerated. It spells bad news for their loved ones who are (and were) affected by their sentencing and conviction too.
Don't ask me why I googled it because it's too personal to tell here. However, it's true. Getting arrested and going to prison can have a negative effect on one's life expectancy.
You assume too much. Apparently you’ve only looked at US incarceration. You should check out Norway, Finland, and others where recidivism rates are unbelievably low compared to the US.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/recidivism-rates-by-country
Just because we’re doing it wrong that doesn’t mean it IS inherently wrong. Ell oh ell!
We should mention here that there are prisoner's that are doing time, but are totally innocent.
It depends on what you define as rehabilitation. They do have classes like school to get a GED so when you get out, you at least have a high school equivalent.
What they say about college degrees are a waste, a GED might not get you very far.
Well I think for drugs it should be primarily rehabilitative. For things like murder it should be punative (punishment). That being said too often does someone go in for something minor and get exposed to criminals for an extended period of time and come out even more likely to be a criminal. This is very bad and should be avoided.
Nope,
Not everyone is in prison to be rehabilitated. Many have life sentences and many are waiting for the death penalty.
Prison is a deterrent. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.
It is true many have mental issues that need to be treated. That doesn't mean they shouldn't do the time.
It is not supposed to be a hotel. Prison is supposed to keep dangerous poeple away from society and it is supposed to be a deterrent to re-offend.
Prisons are not for rehabilitation, they are a social trash can, a bit like vocational schools for non-criminals. Prisons punish the prisoner and put him in a position to no longer be able to enter civil society. There are recovery programs at least in Italy where I live, but very often they fail. This is because the problem is that the prisoner, even if he wants to redeem himself, now has the cain mark of the prison. No one can forgive a person who has been in prison.
Nope. Prison (at least, Western ones) usually ends up making worse people than they were after they come out. There's really no better solutions out there though, so oh well!
@mcheetahTell us how prisons are where you are.
Korea rarely even sends people to prison. Pretty much just child molesters and murderers. I don't know the details of Korean prisons, but they're definitely softer and less brutal than American ones. The whole Korean justice system gives pretty light sentences, in general. Child molesters/rapists/pedophiles usually only get like 15 years or something. And many in Korea don't like how soft the punishments and prisons are.
I'm guessing their crime is less than in the US, right?
Asia operates on shame culture, so all it takes to reduce crime is CCTV everywhere and a public shaming of criminals. Privacy outside of your home is completely non-existent, though. (I'm not sure if the public restrooms have CCTV cameras in them or not, but probably.) If a criminal DOES do something bad, they publicly shame them, which in Asia, is enough for family to pretty much disown them. So, yeah, crime is very low in South Korea. Most Koreans love the US, but wouldn't live there because gun culture and shootings scares the crap out of them. The Koreans who do move to the US, end up going to California.
Yes I agree. They go to the states where there is less racism and more Asian acceptance. Smart of them to do! They're also rich or well to do often times just like the Chinese. Immigration is expensive... unless you're doing it the illegal way..
Low crime offenders can go to prison gardening unit where its helped them learn to build fences an landscaping an low water usage for droughts they have some in a that have turned these peoples life around o they dont go to jail ever
To put simply, usa doesn't rehabilitate. You sit in jail/prison dealing with their schedule for you. You mainly get fed carbs unless you can afford better and deal with the prisoners around you along with the guards. You basicallyjust live your day to day scheduled life in prison, until you get out.
No it just makes them worse and makes them even better criminals then they go out in the world and do worse stuff to people and I am sure this is the government's intention. They want the world in chaos and they love making people pay fines and court costs but more than anything they love controlling people's lives and taking away their livelihood.