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My views are a little mixed towards the traditional gender roles. While I obviously don't mind it very much and even still go along with some of them, I do believe that society needs to mind their own business and let man and woman decide what lifestyle is best fit for them. For instance, a man never have to feel obligated to be a "hero" or treat women like defenseless princesses (since men often lump all women into the same group as children, elderly people and disabled people) nor just simply give women in general, special treatment. A woman should never have to feel obligated to be as feminine as possible or be a mother or anything that is deemed "feminine.
While there's nothing wrong with everyone having different beliefs, they still have no right to impose it on others just because they strongly disagree with bending the traditional gender roles even just a little bit.
All of these things piss me off, my dad acts very much like this and he won't even teach me how to paint a wall or put together a flap pack but i'm certain i can learn on my own at some point, he even makes remarks when i carry flat packs out of shops on my own. he says "you should of asked me to come with you, you could of hurt yourself" treating me like a weak tooth pick who needs his help for everything... and lately he's been so so lazy he hasn't put up my xena poster, he hasn't painted my room right, he hasn't put up my wall file... but because he won't teach me how to do all that he has power over my life... his behavior is unacceptable. So as you can see if us women constantly believe in these old fashioned beliefs us women will never get anything done... it's really not convenient for anyone.
There are reasons those roles have been in place for eons. There are some very fundamental differences between males and females and they are genetic in origin. Believing men and women are the same and that gender roles are just social constructs is pretty naive.
Well said. I would just add that the only place men and women need to be equal is in the political and professional arena. Both sexes need to be treated equally and should have equal power.
Women do have equality in the political and professional world. Or more accurately, they have equal rights and opportunities. The only differences arise due to what men and women choose to do with those rights and opportunities. Men and women make different choices, on average. Women will never earn as much as men on average as long as more of them choose less demanding and less lucrative career paths. Nurses will never get paid as much as engineers, nor should they be. But women are just as free to choose an engineering career as men are.
Men and women are different, with different priorities and needs. We need to stop trying so hard to attribute the outcomes of those differences on sexism because it sends a bad message that women are not in control of their own outcomes.
There is a sever lack of compassion for men and a sort of over protection for women, like treating them as if they are children. This is at the heart of traditionalism and feminism.
People are sexist because they grow up to be sexist, tell others to be sexist, and look for sexist traits to find what they find attractive (as it is what they expect to find based on their sexist claims).
Until people construct a proper ideal for HUMANS in terms of what qualities (or should I say, what behaviors) are positive and what are negative, unfortunately people will stay sexist, they will not bother with not being sexist as they don't want to admit they are wrong, then they make sexist claims to feel better about why their social relations are not worming as they would expect as people don't actually like being treated like an idolized stereotype).
Great take! I want to add something. What really grinds my gears is that women are supposed to never talk about a sexual subject and if someone else does that, they have to nervously giggle. It's not really a written rule, but I've just noticed that and if you talk about something sexual, you're a slut. We are human and like to have sex too.
So I am a tomboy, I dress very androgenously (gender neutral). I am often called a lesbian, dyke, butch, etc. I have a petite body frame but come off masculine. I identify as female and bisexual. Men think I'm lesbian and women think I'm straight it sucks. I don't want to lead people to think I'm something or someone I'm not but society doesn't give many choices.
these rules were made up back then when people were even more ignorant and trying to envision a certain kind of life or "the way it needs to be " mentality, which obviously failed over time because it just doesn't work out for everyone to be put in a category.
its not really stereotypes its more sexist i feel. Now that its 2015 men can do/be anything. women can do/be anything. and i love it that way :)
cool post! xo
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Well gender role is not a stereotype it is an expectation. Anytime you hear the word role after another it means it's an expectation. And sometimes gender roles are traditional and someone's preference some will be close minded and some will be open minded about it. So you have to be respectful of someone's thoughts. Don't bash it cuz you don't believe in it. Go out and find someone who thinks like you do. And if its a job and they think like this stay there and be the one to change that environment if you feel up to it
I think geneder roles aren't the same as before. I see plently of little boys playing with dolls or girls playing with cars. When I have kids I won't discourage my son from playing with a doll. I feel like it's more on guys than girls, most people may think it's normal for girls to play with a workplace set (hammer, saw building tools etc) but get upset when boys play with dolls or dress up.
When I was a kid, playing with a barbie was worse than death. That wasn't that long ago, maybe 10 years.
I was talking about young kids like children who are 4ish, and im not saying that anyone should be forced to play with certain toys im just saying that kids shouldn't feel bad for playing with toys of the opposite sex.
I liked playing with Barbies. I popped all their heads off and mounted them on sticks. lol
I played loads of dress ups and dressed in mums heels and dads suit jacket. I hated barbie dolls but I liked heaps of other types. I grew up in the 80's-90's and if you didn't do the same your losing to yourself. This bullshit about kids and what colours they like and toys they play with is just another excuse for parents to bitch about other peoples kids and essentially results in bullying amongst adults which is directed at the children being judged by full grown idiots
****lieing to yourself...^^^
@Yc2K15
Exactly, at the child care place that I learn at, I see some of the boys playing with the dolls or dress up and my nephew loved playing with baby dolls which is actually helpful because of some studies talking about men not being involved in child rearing or not understanding how to etc, people are so afraid of kids turning gay but what does liking the same sex have to do with the toys/colors you like.
One of my pet peeves is when someone says "you can't do this" or "you can't say that because you're a male" like honestly it's 2015, I can do whatever I want, girls out there you can do whatever you set your mind yo okay? Us guys can do whatever we want to do to, no more gender specific stuff in this world!
Gender role/stereotype no #1:
Women are not only expected to be pretty for men but women, too. The female gender is just as equally superficial and critical of each other as men are. In grade school, college and the workplace I've witnessed women shun or ostracize other women because of how they dressed, styled their hair, skin color, and/or weight, etc So, this expectation goes both ways.
Gender roles definitely have a place. For example, let's take a look at the first one: woman were made to be pretty and looked at. In a way, yes, this is very true. Women were "designed" by natural selection to be sexually and physically appealing to men in order to attract mates, secure resources, and have security. Now, women aren't binded by any natural law to try to look pretty (they are certainly not obligated to), but they certainly are designed to be appealing to men.
I also disagree with this damsel in distress trope. While this was common in classical literature and such, it isn't very common anymore. In fact, with shows like "Nikita" and "The Walking Dead", or video games like "Mass Effect", "Bayonetta", "The Elder Scrolls", and "Tomb Raider", you don't see women being helpless and defenseless at all.
That's my counter take, at least.
" In a way, yes, this is very true. Women were "designed" by natural selection to be sexually and physically appealing to men in order to attract mates, secure resources, and have security" Not really!. It's not controversial that women, in fact in most species the females, are the choosier sex and they have their pick of males, simply because they carry the much higher burden in pregnancy. The males of many species have evolved to be physically attractive to females. Think of the peacock, it's tail has no other purpose than attracting females.
In reverse that's just not true. Men have evolved to find things attractive that indicate health and fertility and that's about it. We weren't designed to be looked at. YOU evolved to be attracted to physical indicators of health and fertility
A lot of guys make the same wrong assumption you do, that our purpose in life is to be attractive to men, which by the way proves her point, but it's a nonsense assumption. I don't know where you get that from?
Right nen spread their seed indiscriminately. Womdn are the choosier sex. Guys use this to support men sleeping around bit dismiss it when were talking about who based on that argument should really care sboit looks. Women choose men squirt:p
I don't know where being conventionally pretty comes into being fertile. A " non attractive " woman can have an extremely high sex drive snd be extremely fertile. Well enough for any random seed. Long legs and being skinny have nothing to do with beating children. Well padded hips would be the important part.
ancient figurines showing birth and the life giving powers of womrn often don't even have a face snd are obese with the the hips and vagina are emphasized as a symbol of power.
Wimen choose Bc they are the ones that are saddled with the baby. Men don't have to be attracted to a model they just have to jerk off into her. Which you see in nature a lot. Then he goes off snd the female raise raise the young together.
Peacocks aren't a good comparison at all. A comparison to other primates would be more fitting, since they are closer to us. Female primates are attracted to powerful, dominant males--not necessarily more physically attractive ones. Women are more choosy, yes, but they are more choosy about things like dominance, power, wealth, and confidence, not necessarily about looks.
Things that make women attractive, like weight and long legs, are things physiologically associated with fertility and the ability to produce healthy offspring, so those things are relevant to child-bearing.
As for "obese" women being attractive in ancient times, this is false. Heavier women perhaps were considered more attractive, but obese women have never been considered widely attractive outside of cultures plagued with starvation and mad poverty.
Lol. I think the fact that women made 50 Shades of Grey into one of the top ten bestselling books in recorded human history says that most women simply get wet at the idea of submitting to a strong, sexy man.
A lot of girls also hate that stupid ass book, so not all of us like being beat and raped.
@whachaking
a fact that gladdens my heart. those books a far extreme and twisted.
Me personally, I can never bring myself to endorse the notion of people pretending to be something that they are clearly not. Now with that said, What people choose to be behind closed doors is their business. But when they expect everyone else to support what they do, rather they agree with it or not, I disagree with that. I don't endorse or stand behind things I don't agree with.
Men are always on top? Sometimes my girlfriends on top... Giggity
I think women should have equal rights but I feel that since the feminist movement was allowed in the 70's, they want more to the point where they want to dominate.
The word "equal" does not mean "overpowering and above".
We as people give freedom and respect for each other who didn't have it before and then as time gos on sometimes the meaning becomes lost.
By the way, that made me laugh. haha
Haw haw
They may be "outdated" but there are valid reasons for those roles that will never go away. It's funny how modern society still tries so hard to ignore the differences between men and women despite the fact that modern science has shown irrefutably that male and female brains are very different.
We love our denial, don't we?
these things won't make us any better as a society.
we are different to a degree.. but not that different.
trust me, aside from a few things i think more like a guy than a girl
and i know men in my family who think more like a lady than a guy.
I agree that there are exceptions to every rule, but they are outweighed by the rules. The image you included at the beginning of your take... those are the exceptions. Science proves that to be true.
It's good that we open out minds and hearts to the exceptions but we should never lose sight of the rules because doing so does far more harm than good.
open *our minds
If you put it that way then i agree.
Not complete removal but make adjustments?
Last time I checked, no two people share the exact same genetic structure, yet we don't claim that every human and human is different. For some really odd reason. It is just proof that people need differences to be tangible, such as the difference of external genitalia. That is tangible, so people stereotype based on it.
Of course, most stereotypes are wrong, only thing that keeps them alive is confirmation bias.
LOL @ Mesonfielde. Your gender views are notoriously ridiculous. I'm not going to waste time arguing with a nut case.
I support feminism and feminist brainwashing because it helps depopulate the planet and slays children from aberant irresponsible parents.
It's in the same spirit as Babylon the Whore and functions as a destructive force in society, which is good because it destroys exactly those it needs to destroy--those who believe in it.
So I'm all for it.
Except that those who still have kids in this world are mostly the dumb irresponsible parents at the age of 17 who haven't yet finished highschool and are having unprotected sex because they cannot afford contraception.
That's true, but statistically they die off. It isn't how many kids people have, it's the quality of their upbringing that tends toward survivability.
Sounds like you believe that "gender roles" are artificially constructed and have no basis in nature. I disagree.
Lol at the Furby. Those kids look like they were drawn by the same artist who created Beavis and Butthead. Or King of the Hill.
lol but really, gender roles give us a sense of order and identity in society. So I disagree profoundly with your take on it.