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Great question mate. I believe it's because of the value system the progressive left has adopted which is based on how oppressed a group of people is. They believe in a hierarchy of oppression and value the most oppressed people in that group. It usually goes as follows women, minorities, lgbt and then finally Islamists. It's like feminists/sjws want to make an alliance with every single person who is oppressed slightly more than the average person because when it comes down to it every one is oppressed is several different ways, which is why this ideology has become paradoxal.
But how can the most extreme feminists in the West openly defend every cruel aspect of Islam the ideology and culture not just the religion? it's mind boggling to me that the women who scream about patriarchy are actively defending one of the most patriarchal and oppressive societies that has ever existed.
Because according to the feminist's mind, misogyny and rape doesn't count if the man is Muslim and so therefore they are the real victims. Feminists just can't get anymore insane, can they?
A feminist supporting Islam is like a Jew supporting the Nazis or a black guy supporting the Ku Klux Klan.
Most feminists who understand what it really must be about, if they take it to its logical conclusion, will actually hate Islam because Islam (and/or the cultural norms surrounding islam, it's all part and parcel of the same phenomenon in the end) subjugates women.
I know some college educated muslim women who say 'oh actually it's my choice to wear the hijab/dress conservatively... I'm a feminist, I think it's empowering', but that's just paradoxical. How can you claim that something (i. e. wearing a hijab) is a free 'choice' when you've been conditioned with a set of ideals suggesting that you "should" wear it to be "close to Allah"? You would never have entertained that choice otherwise.
And the white/non-religious women who convert to Islam? They are just either seeking attention or are troubled and looked for a 'meaning' in life. Probably the former, in most cases...
It's not that we love Islam. Islam can be practiced many ways, and many of us find the restrictions on women, the traditions of female genital mutilation, the traditions that deny women a worldly education - to be abhorrent. But these are not practiced by every Muslim.
But many of us also recognize that the freedom to practice one's faith is important, and that we do not need to immediately discount a person because he or she practices a religion that is different from ours.
Because clearly they are not feminists (despite thinking they are) they're absolutely delusional as to what feminism actually is and are just confused about people and life in general (like many feminists out there in the west).
This is just so sick and dumb. Smh.
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Feminists, like any diverse group, hold a variety of opinions and perspectives, and their views on Islam can differ significantly. It's important to avoid making broad generalizations about feminists and their relationship with Islam. However, there are a few reasons some feminists may find common ground or express support for aspects of Islam:
1. **Shared Social Justice Goals:** Both feminism and Islam advocate for social justice and equality. Feminists who are supportive of certain Islamic principles may see overlap in their goals of challenging patriarchal norms and promoting gender equity.
2. **Diverse Feminist Views:** Feminism is not a monolithic movement; it encompasses a wide range of perspectives. Some feminists might appreciate elements within Islam that emphasize social justice, women's rights, and empowerment.
3. **Challenging Stereotypes:** Some feminists might be interested in challenging stereotypes and misconceptions about Islam, especially those perpetuated by Islamophobia. They may see value in understanding the diversity of Muslim women's experiences.
4. **Women's Agency within Islam:** Some feminists may recognize that many Muslim women actively choose to practice their faith and find empowerment within its teachings. They may emphasize the importance of respecting women's agency in their choices.
5. **Solidarity with Marginalized Groups:** Feminists often advocate for marginalized groups, including those affected by religious discrimination. They might stand in solidarity with Muslim women who face discrimination due to their faith.
6. **Cultural and Religious Diversity:** Feminism acknowledges the importance of respecting diverse cultures and religious practices. Some feminists appreciate the diversity within Islam and advocate for the rights of Muslim women without imposing their own beliefs.
7. **Intersectionality:** Many feminists embrace intersectionality, which recognizes that individuals may face multiple forms of oppression simultaneously. Some feminists may see the intersection of gender, religion, and ethnicity in the experiences of Muslim women. (islamguide. eu)
It's important to note that feminism is not a monolithic perspective, and different feminists may have differing views on Islam based on their personal experiences, beliefs, and understanding of the religion. When discussing feminism, Islam, or any topic, it's essential to approach the subject with nuance and respect for diverse viewpoints.
If you wanna trust media go ahead but I’m all actuality Islam protects women second how are you gonna base all of Islam on that like that’s like saying oh well the people who were slave owners are racist so that must mean all white people are racist too like that’s such a dumbfounded idea second if someone is saying oh it’s ok if he rapes me…is that rape cuz that sounds like they find it to be very conventual but I could be wrong but please don’t group up Muslims because I’m muslim and ik islam well enough that all the things shown on television is haram everything that is negative that these radicals are doing and these “Islamic” countries (which is not the case they just have a high Muslim population compared to other country cuz that’s like calling American a Christian country which is far from true with all the different religions within it) are doing like let’s seriously think her yes a group of many small group of many that do something bad and then you say everyone as a stereotype is that not islamaphobia are we not human…
Well it must be to do with the fact that Islam gave women their RIGHTS before Western feminism did!
Islam was the first religion and civilisation to give women the RIGHTS to work, earn money themselves, choose to work/not to work, be financially independent, choose her husband as her own free will, give her inheritance money, to ask anything from her husband before the marriage, to ask money from her husband as a dowry, to have an education, etc.
If you look at true Islam and read the Qu'ran you will realise like these other feminists, that Islam gives women their rights and DOES NOT subjugate or oppress the woman at all!
well for muslim woman who are feminists, they are brainwashed into believing islam is a very feminist religion. In actual fact no religion is feminist religion but islam is more intolerant against woman. Most of these feminist muslim woman or converted muslim do not live in middle eastern or muslim majority country, they live in the west. Living in the west has given them the right to cherry pick stuff from islam and show the media they have equal rights as a muslim man.
Also non-muslim feminist supporting islam who are from the west thinks that muslims are a minority and they are treated unequally; just like how they view women are treated unequally. So therefore, they support each other. If they get to live in afghanistan which is following pure sharia law they will lose their minds.
I've often wondered the same thing, as many of the tenants of Islam--especially the absolutely horrific treatment of women-- run directly contrary to the tenants of feminism.
Cognitive dissonance. They know deep down that all their feminist rhetoric is bullshit and by consciously trying to deny it their natural needs push their desires to the opposite extreme. Similar to all the feminists being into rape fantasies and all that jizz.
the simple answer is if they can't beat them join them and there against the American government and so are feminist who want America to be more female oriented. so it is that whole enemy of my enemy is my freind idea. they dont care how many women are raped or killed as long as they have a strong base to stand on to get there views forced across.
Ignorance!
I'm a feminist (not the toxic type and not the radical type), I believe in equality not superiority. So according to me, islam is a religion which is everything against feminism.
According to Islam, women are objects that can be used when men wants to satisfy their lust. Its Prophet married a 6 year old girl, yet Muslims all around the world says that islam gives right to women and that it respects women, what right, what respect? The Prophet had many sex slaves, infact he even talks about sex slaves in the quran. The women in Saudi Arabia had to have a long fight just to get the right to drive a damn car. The pseudo feminists who loves islam aren't feminists.
There are no good reasons. Islam is probably the most oppressive belief system in the world for women. Unsurprisingly, the word Islam actually means "submission"
ok, so a few things.
not having Islamophobia does not make someone "love" something, "SOOO" much. that's like saying because i'm not scared of heights, i absolutely love heights. it's pretty dumb reasoning.
second, feminism itself is interpreted in different ways (i'm not a feminist, but i have done my research) and not every feminist loves Islam.
lastly, you could say that Americans love Christianity because we have had only Christian holidays off from school for the longest time, and we learned Christian songs a lot in school.
but i don't see you saying that, so here's my final remark:
Seriously, I just don't get it. Why are some people SOOO ignorant?
lol but actually though- educate yourself, my dear
I am Muslim but not a feminist.
I absolutely hate feminism.
They like the idea of Modern Islam.
and Modern Islam is not the Real Islam.
Neither is Hatred of ISIS.
Islam does not oppress women
but Islam also does not allow women to rule over Men.
If this makes any sense.
because Modern Islam lets women rule over Men.
Don't they ever teach you in Islam to never question the teachings of your book! THE BOOK IS ABSOLUTE!
Today's feminists are intersectional leftists. So while it seems paradoxical (and it is) that they would defend Islam because of how girls and women are treated under Sharia, they are intersectionalists first and foremost. Which means they see Muslims as oppressed "people of color" who have victim cred. And having victim cred is everything to an intersectionalist. It's not logical but then these people are not logical.
A true feminist hates a man that wants her to take 2nd place in a relationship and have her man control her. Think about it, does that sound like the Muslim way of doing things. Common sense and logic tell you that no, it doesn't.
Everyone knows feminists don't care about women, they only care about their agenda.
Something that I also wonder myself considering Islamic ideals are everything that feminists claim to be against. Makes no sense. You can't have Islam and gender equality at the same time.
This is deliciously funny. It is so absurd but they are brainwashed to accept different behavior from different groups. Let them be raped and killed. Eventually, slowly, they might change their minds and if they don't then Darwin
i wouldn't say femenists. i would say some feminits. dont know the percentage. kinda confused on this one.
If we are playing a game where we go and find snippets all over the planet to suit our religion bashing narrative, then 2 can play this game. How many Church Priests and little boy stories should I show? 5, 10, 500?
Like Dr. Phil's father used to say "Some women are stupid".
I could understand if they were just throwing their support behind Islamic *women*, oppressed as they are, but that's not the case.
it is strange since most religions are, at the core, extremely misogynistic
well Islam is very against the idea of sexualizing women in the way modern society does, it also bought many rights to women in its early days.
as well as revering some very holy female personalities like mary mother of jesus, the prophets wife khadija, asiya wife of the pharoah and the daughter of the prophet fatima
of course islam today is represented by muslims who haven't greatly represented islams outtake on females mainly due to culture
Groups that get the short end of the deal always support other groups that are discriminated. Why? Because they know how it feels to be stereotyped and don't want it for anyone else
@nickh1100 You can say that christianity is a sexist religion as well (and it is). I agree with @FelixNagle that most religions (especially christianity, islam and hinduism) are inherently sexist but that doesn't mean that 84% of the world is sexist. People are more complex than their religion alone. People have separate thoughts and opinions. Judge people based on their individual actions.
now about the religions you say? i am not saying all followers of a sexist religion are sexist but aren't they? they are raised in those morals to see males as superiour, and females as inferior. now if they didn't agree with values of a community they wouldn't be in that community. people are more comolex than their religion? yes. but whats at the core? when they know their beliefs and the community's beliefs contradict on very basic level and they still choose to be a part of that community.
not by mere birth but by their beliefs. if they say that they believe in that then i see a religion which spiritually allows males to have more than one wife and prohibits females from having more than one husband. and says that wifes are there to cater only the needs of husband and nothing about visa versa. before you say that these are ancient practices do some research. these are actually more commonly accepted practices than you thing. unfortunately.
my point is simple, people who choose to be recognised as part of that community but deny that they share beliefs of that community? if you dont share those beliefs then why do you choose to be recognised as one of them? and if you say that its only a small part of community who believe in those things then firstly do your research and if you still say that its only a small number of people who bring this shame to your community then why not deny those people to be recognised as part of your communtiy? i mean these communities are formed on basis of beliefs.
@nickh1100 Lmao dude you really just posted a whole essay.
Both are extremist/totalitarian/absolutist camps. Many more similarities than differences between the two. How much difference is there between whether you would impose Islam on all of the human kind by Jihad, or mutilate/castrate all men?
If anything, I think you will find today's feminism is largely run by Islami women bent on waging their own part of Jihad - it is always directed at a Christian male, especially white, and is racially and religiously motivated. How else would they wipe out the 'infidels' (their own husbands, of course)
Because feminist need any support they can get.
by the way we think that those Muslim women are oppressed and need feminism, but if you talk to most of those women in the middle east, they like their lifestyle. A lot if them are way better off than you and me. So don't think that all Muslim women have it hard, a lot of them are rolling in cash.
Muslim women say very, VERY different things to me. The opposite of what you are saying.
@Blitzkrieger which country?
Turkey and pakistan i think.
@Blitzkrieger oh, I was talking about UAE, Saudi Arabia and the oil rich countries.
That's not what these women say.
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Only Saudi and Qatar women live in luxury.
Because we're against uneducated bigots. There are 1.6 billion Muslims, if they were all radicals, you would all be dead.
That depends on your definition of 'radical' though, doesn't it?
www.unzcloud.com/.../moderate-muslims.jpg
I mean, when 2/3rds of the world's Islamic population endorses Sharia Law, and stuff like this:
www.thestarlite.ca/.../...9540705_1259690116_n.jpg
And when 46% of the world's Islamic population condones the death penalty for female 'adultery': s1325.photobucket.com/.../killed_zpskxvcotxi.jpg
Just how 'moderate' are you, really?
No it doesn't. A poll showed that most Muslim American Millenials support gay marriage.
Even when compared to American Millenials in general? And just how many- or should I say, how few- Muslim American Millenials are there?
In context, your unsubstantiated claim about "most Muslim American Millenials support gay marriage", given the relatively insignificant size of that group as a share of the world's Muslim population, is less relevant, and less reflective of Islam as a whole, than some right-wing Neo-Nazi's more substantiated claim about "most Muslim Islamic State members support child sex slavery". I wouldn't accept that argument, so I'm afraid that I can't really accept yours.
Because feminism has devolved into a giant cluster fuck.
Only American and Swedish feminists love it, because they are ignorant, rich and stupid countries.
Because they've been brainwashed by religion - not just by shitlam but by Jebus as well. Both religions teach that women should obey men and put up with everything a man can do to them.
Because unlike americans Muslims don't disrespect women, by the way stop trolling around where did you get the last picture from lmao maybe start respecting women and you too will be desired "Seriously I don't get it" lmao dumbass
I have never heard of a womsn feeling sorry and sympsthy for a rapist. If that picture is true, that is like Jesus level forgivness!
I think it's because generally Islamic women don't have much power. And so these women can relate.
In Islam women have no rights.
I don't think I've ever seen more out-of-context clickbait strung together on one page. Kudos!
Say what? How is it out of context?
Basically, any time you see something sensationalist that seems counter-intuitive on the Internet, it's usually taken out of context. For instance, Feminists are frequently criticized for supporting Sharia Law when in fact they only support people's right to practice religion they way they like, and only the parts of Sharia Law that don't infringe on human rights (which is most of it).
But the majority of those weren't taken out of context at all. Perhaps you could cite the specific ones which you believe to be 'taken out of context', so that I could discuss how they aren't?
Thought not. Ciao
the CNN iReport one, a few sentences before the quote you posted:
"'Yeah, but women are like second class citizens in your faith?' The very patient Muslim lady explained that, during a time when the Western world treated women like property, Islam taught that men and women were equal in the eyes of God. Islam made the woman's consent to marriage mandatory and gave women the opportunity to inherit, own property, run businesses and participate in government.
She listed right after right that women in Islam held nearly 1250 years before women's lib was ever thought of in the West. Surprisingly, Islam turned out to be the religion that appealed to my feminist ideals."
The one on RAPE CULTURE - a quote from Professor Unni Wikan:
"Nobody has been able to come up with the source where I allegedly said the outrageous thing that has been attributed to me. My name is being misused, but not in Norway or Sweden or Denmark where my position on violence in the name of religion or culture is so well known that it would be absurd to attribute a defense of rape to me."
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SWEDISH WOMAN RAPED BY "REFUGEE":
She *initially* didn't want to report it (like very many rape victims), but did report it later that night and the men, who weren't refugees, were convicted. Even Infowars, which never gets anything right, accurately reported this.
www.infowars.com/.../
DOZENS OF SWEDISH WOMEN... :
These women are showing support for Muslim women who are the victims of prejudice. Not Islam itself.
"The violance against Muslim women has increased, and this is extremely worrying. Their basic rights are not being respected, their civil rights are being respected. And we need to put a stop to this. Being called names in the streets, getting their scarfs/hijabs ripped off their heads, and being slandered has become a daily routine for many muslim women. "
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"She listed right after right that women in Islam held nearly 1250 years before women's liberation was ever thought of in the West"- really? She sounds like an extremely very gullible woman, with very little knowledge about women's rights, the history of the struggle for them in the West and the extent to which women historically had rights in the Arab world, who simply swallowed the Muslim lady's sensationalist proselyting arguments about Islam (many of which are patently false according to most interpreters of Islam today) without question or cynicism. So how is that out of context? Feminist falls in love with Islam and converts without a second thought or a moment's hesitation "because the patient Muslim lady explained to me that reality isn't real, and that because Islam WAS relatively progressive in some aspects for a short period back in the day, what it's like today relative to other ideologies doesn't matter". Why the irrational love for Islam?
The last one, I don't even have to look up. It's talking about pre-arranged marriage contracts, not actually marrying a baby. These marriages don't take place until many years later, if they happen at all.
it doesn't sound to me like she has an irrational love of Islam. It does sound a bit like she's gullible, though. You'll find there aren't many women - Feminist or not - who would do that.
As for the others- the quote on rape culture may have been about warning women to be careful around men from Islamic backgrounds, acknowledging the exponentially higher prevalence of rape culture among their communities, but it was still a quote. You had a public backlash and outcry from the feminists against a female Supreme Court Judge over here in the UK, who advised girls not to drink into a stupor to mitigate the likelihood of being raped; that was construed as 'victim-blaming', and taking away women's 'fundamental freedoms' (to get themselves drunk), so why weren't Professor Wikan's comments construed in the same manner by the feminists?
I don't think you understand. The Rape Culture quote is not a quote: Professor Wikan never said it.
Because empathy. We know what oppression feels like.
If you truly had empathy, why not support people like this, in Kurdistan? www.thenation.com/.../...raining_Syria_rtr_img.jpg
As opposed to supporting people like this, which you actually are?
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I support all women, dunno where you got the idea that I don't.
If you truly had empathy, or a conscience at all, you would realise that the actions of some don't represent the entire group.
Yes but the actions of some have consequences for all of us.
See, there's a bit of a paradox there. How can you claim to 'support all women' when you simultaneously defend the belief system of Islam, and Sharia Law (endorsed by more than 66% of all Muslims today), which includes the inferiority and subservience of women
to men as one of its core tenets? www.barenakedislam.com/.../Under-Sharia-Law-1.jpg
I'm not defending Islam. I don't agree with all the beliefs or teachings of Islam. I'm defending the right of women and men to follow whatever religion they choose. I won't stand for hypocrisy either because we all know damn well that Islam is not the only religion to advocate the subservience of women.
Muslims do comprise the majority of those who are currently advocating the subservience of women though, and the removal of women's rights. So how do you still support them? And why would you cite 'empathy' as any more of a reason to support them than it would be a reason to support a Satanic sex cult such as this one- www.telegraph.co.uk/.../...n-small-Welsh-town.html Would you claim to love and whole-heartedly support Colin Batley's cult because you "empathized with him, and knew what oppression feels like"? And if not, why not? How is it any different to supporting Islam- with the fundamental difference that the majority of Muslims AREN'T oppressed at all, but live in Muslim-dominated societies under their own rules which fundamentally oppress all those who AREN'T deemed to be sufficiently Islamic?
'I'm conveniently only against the oppression of women when it involves Muslims because it gives me an excuse to push my agenda against Islam'
Actually, I'm completely neutral with regards to Islam, for the most part. Why else do you think I cited the Kurdistan Feminist Party, and the Rohava Freedom Movement? I don't have any agenda on this at all. With you, on the other hand? "I conveniently only support the oppression of women when it involves Muslim perpetrators because it gives me an excuse to push my agenda against White cis-male 'oppression'." (And FYI, I'm not white- I'm half-Black, half-Punjabi).
I don't care about your race. I care about your ability to completely gloss over individual differences amongst feminists in regards to us 'loving Islam', and put us in one box. You're obviously not neutral about Islam when you went on a mini rant about Shariah Law and how much it oppressed women. You don't have to be consciously aware of having an agenda to hold one.
And I care about your ability to completely gloss over individual differences amongst (non-Islamic) men as 'Oppressors', and put us in one box. I don't claim to be neutral about Sharia Law, and how much it oppresses women. But I also understand that Sharia Law/=Islam, and that it's possible to criticize and condemn Sharia Law without being an 'Islamophobic cis-male oppressor'. You're so obsessed with your own agenda and your own victim's narrative of being oppressed by 'Western male-dominated society' that the entire world is nothing but agendas to you. I pity you.
Ohhh baby, I love how you make all assumptions about me 😍😍😍😍
How badly have you been oppressed living in the uk?
its a fetish for western women
Because feminists are back stabbing bitches.
They're just finding ways to get support
But just who do they think they're getting support from by doing things this way? Do they seriously believe that there are any Islamic fundamentalist groups out there which would ever support feminism?
Because Islam defends women. Islam is wrongly known.
Umm- any sources for that?
You're damn right.
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