Are gender roles misogynistic?

[rggfdgrtyty]

yes they are

no they are not

[Anonymous]

No I don't think so. It's very easy to twist things and to convince either a man or a woman that traditional gender roles are biased against them, you just say that the opposite sex sees them as nothing more than "ATM machines, walking wallets, baby-making machines, sex objects, slaves to cook and clean for them" and gullible idiots will buy it. Really nothing that you do is degrading or being "used" as long as you both do your bit.

Me and my girlfriend are traditional. I work 80+ hours per week, she stays home and looks after the kids, cooks and cleans. Is she really using me as just an ATM machine while she sits around at home doing nothing? No. Looking after kids while trying to cook and keep a house tidy is hard work, it's a full time job itself. Then, am I taking advantage of her while she does all the work at home, while doing absolutely nothing, because I'm lazy? No, I'm working my ass off 80+ hours a week. She enjoys it, I enjoy it. She likes typical woman stuff - fashion, shopping, burning a hole in my wallet (lol). I enjoy typical man shit - sports, lifting weights, cars, bikes. Where's the misogyny there?

[madhatters4]

no not necessarily. misogynistic refers specifically to things that are prejudice against women. gender roles can be prejudice or sexist to men or women.
so no gender roles are not necessarily misogynistic

[madhatters4]

thanks for MHO

[Astoriana]

I think they're limiting, and that's why they're problematic.

Men can be nurturing, they can raise children and be involved in family affairs from more than just the bank rolling perspective, and in fact, they should be. Men are capable of cooking and cleaning and could even stay home with the children if they chose.

Women can be decisive and analytical and logical. They can be more than barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen. They can be more than overgrown children that need constant protection.

So while gender roles are not inherently evil or wrong, they are limiting, and ought to be changed or eradicated completely.

[Anonymous]

Those who answer yes: Mostly girls (who fight for their rights) and some guys (who know that the fight is not fair and understand those girls).

Those who answer no: Mostly guys (misogynistic cultured) and some girls (used to the misogynistic culture).

Number of girls who said yes < Number of girls who said no , because most girls are scared/submissive/brainwashed by their culture and most cultures have been misogynistic for a while.

Luckily, diffusion of information is easier these days and more and more people are made aware of the inequality. And even if many neglect it, many realize the importance of this issue.

[xBreezy]

... LOL

[Kkaos]

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[Opinion Owner]

To reassure you guys, yes I'm generalising and yes your reactions are common, but there is no exaggeration here, and as expected there is lack of willingness to understand 'where this comes from'

[sjoes006]

I love it when a man offers to help me put a heavy bag in the overhead bin or any help lifting at all only to be surprised that I lift it with ease, especially if I hand it over to him upon asking to help once I lift it down.

Women have amazing lower body strength and with a toned core and reasonable upper a training we can be petite yet strong.

It does take my full body to lift a 40 pound body into overhead bins. I'm short.

[Kkaos]

That's why I only help people if I can see that they're struggling. Same applies to the elderly, because many of them are more capable than they look as well.

[sjoes006]

@Kkaos well I'm never insulted even if I got it. I see men helping other men. Loading on and off an airplane is very much a team sport in efficiency. Well loading on not off. Everyone is on their own getting off a plane.

[RJGraveyTrain]

Only in extreme cases. Otherwise, it's nothing more than a choice.

[ManOnFire]

If anything, the more "modern" female roles of today are what is misogynist: self-disrespect through looking slutty, trying to encourage other women that sleeping around is okay, hating other women for being "old-fashioned," looking down on other women for actually wanting to be mothers, and having no care for how you should act and behave as a woman in public towards men and yourself. That's misogynist.

[chrismarie5589]

So would you marry a feminist?

[TheUglyMonk]

@chrismarie5589 I know I would but I also know that most guys won't marry women who claim to be feminist, the man hating kind of girls.

[chrismarie5589]

@TheUglyMonk oh gosh why would you? They hate men anyway

[TheUglyMonk]

@chrismarie5589 I have yet to meet one of those man hating feminist in the outside world.

[TheUglyMonk]

@chrismarie5589 Just like there are peaceful Muslims and terrorist, there are real Feminists and the ones who just use the title of Feminism.

[chrismarie5589]

@TheUglyMonk then I don't know if you ever go to the outside world

[TheUglyMonk]

@chrismarie5589 Lol, I don't know about the U. S but in Canada it's pretty chill, especially in my City.

[chrismarie5589]

@TheUglyMonk lol that explains it. You should visit Manhattan someday... you'll get a little taste of feminism here

[ManOnFire]

@chrismarie5589 I would never marry a feminist, no.

[chrismarie5589]

How come you feel that way?

[ManOnFire]

@chrismarie5589 Because feminism is nonsense for women who are insecure about being a woman, usually who are wealthy and privelaged too. The only people who ever care about that stuff are those kinds of women. Most average, everyday women are not feminist and don't even want to be identified with it.

[chrismarie5589]

I agree with you I can't stand some of them. I just have a question... what do you mean by looking slutty?

[ManOnFire]

@chrismarie5589 Mostly looking like a true whore. When chicks where super short skirts and shorts and wear super-open tops. If they're showing some skin in a regular tank top or just the regular short skirt and shorts, I don't care - and it does looks sexy, but when they're just going all-out with it - even having tatoos and heavy makeup - it's what I call extreme whorishness.

[lumos]

But sleeping around is ok if you use protection and get tested regularly. Being old-fashioned is ok as long as you don't expect others to have the exact same values as you. Who looks down on mothers? Can you show me someone, or a larger group of "modern females", who discuss hating mothers? What's disrespectful about looking a certain way?

[lumos]

Dressing a certain way doesn't make someone a whore. Having sex with people for money makes them a whore. Big difference.

[ManOnFire]

@lumos You have GOT to learn to get some real life experience, Lumos. Get your head out of all the textbook crap and open your eyes. You got potential but you have to get real.

Sleeping around can be dangerous to your SAFETY, and give you an unwanted image.

"Being old-fashioned is ok as long as you don't expect others to have the exact same values as you."
- And yet feminist-minded women expect other women to follow.

"Who looks down on mothers? Can you show me someone, or a larger group of "modern females", who discuss hating mothers?"
- In female career circles, it is inadvertently looked down on when a woman actually wants to commit to her children.

And there are most certainly other ways to be whorish without being in the actual business.

Wake up, honey.

[IHaveLists]

This is all wrong. Barely anyone encourages and begs women to sleep around. Looking "slutty" isn't self disrespect, and barely anyone hates on old fashioned women. People should be allowed to act like themselves and it's not misogynistic to act like yourself. It's misogyny to pressure women to act a certain way. No one hates women for wanting to be mothers. If anything, women get so much shit for not wanting to be mothers. You are the one who needs to open your eyes and see what reality is like. You are not a woman so you can't tell what misogyny is.

[lumos]

Like I said sleeping around is not dangerous as long as you use protection (and don't sleep with the wrong kinds of people but that goes without saying). It doesn't ruin your image unless you hang around with a bunch of people who have the mental maturity of five year olds and don't understand the concept of having sex for fun.
Are you actually surprised by the fact that career-driven women don't really understand wanting to have kids? Like I get it if they're being rude or whatever, that's not cool, but if you put two very different types of people together in the same room you're bound to get some differences of opinion. In my experience feminists are mostly ok with people thinking a different way, as long as these people understand that it's ok to have another opinion. But then we have people who are like you, going around calling others sluts and whores just because you don't agree with their clothes.
I might not have as much life experience as you, "honey", but at least I'm

[lumos]

capable of accepting other people's life choices, especially when they don't even affect or concern me. I think that's a hell of a lot more important than what you call "life experience".

[chrismarie5589]

women shouldn't sleep around, I think we should stay pure until we get married to the man we love and the man who wants to protect us from the evils of the world whose sexual proclivities include using women and leave them. I will be giving my husband the gift of my virginity and there is nothing more special than him teaching me all there is to know.

[chrismarie5589]

And there is nothing wrong with a guy telling his wife that he doesn't appreciate if she's dressed too revealing. Like I always say, if I'm with him I want to wear what I want and when I'm not with him then he can tell me not to wear something and I'll change if he doesn't feel comfortable. You're supposed to compromise in a relationship

[ManOnFire]

@IHaveLists "People should be allowed to act like themselves and it's not misogynistic to act like yourself."
- So if that's the case this whole question you posted should not even exist, because most people with 'gender roles' are acting like themselves, so it's not misogynist for them to act in the roles they have.

"You are the one who needs to open your eyes and see what reality is like. You are not a woman so you can't tell what misogyny is."
- You are a product of the new generation, so your view of misogyny doesn't even match what it really is. People's concepts of it are ever changing, especially your generation, so that it can agree with feministic agendas. So it doesn't seem like you - a female - really understand what misogyny truly is. Arguments for woman-hatred are created out of anything to push forward Women'sLib politics, even if they aren't even real or relevant, and that's all you really know.

[ThatJarHead]

I like to think that "Gender Roles" are more loose guidelines to live by. More of...

"Follow these and you won't ever feel awful because people will boost your self esteem for you. If you have strong enough self esteem to do whatever you want then go ahead"

But the issue lies when people treat these guidelines as...

"Follow these rules to the letter or you DIE!!"

[PoliceLivesMatter]

No. Gender roles are correlated with past behavior and biology.

[Machiavelli]

I am a feminist that believes in gender roles. I think they keep us grounded because our nature really makes us better able to perform traditional roles.
Women who act like women, I didn't say ladies, that is your choice, are more confident and feel more of a purpose.

I don't try to be a man, so don't try to be me. And this is not to say women can't do a man's job and vice versa, but to some extent we have gender roles and should play them.

[RegularTK421]

No. Its human nature. Women and men have behaved a certain way for thousands of years. Even in isolated cultures you find similar roles for men and women. Only in today's times, with modern technology do we question the biological order of things. Women nursed children because their bodies and breasts are able to. They didn't have baby formula in 500 BC. Men typically hunted, worked, and protected what was built on behalf of their families. I still believe it's for the best.

[DonkeyRick69]

Non biological genders and non traditional gender roles are social constructs

[AleDeEurope]

I don't know how having to work all day to provide for your family so that they don't have to work, is misogynistic :/

[Nodachi]

Yes, gender roles are exclusively misogynistic.

There's no such thing as men.

We are now a one sex species and presumably procreate like amoebas and just split in two.

[Dale1982]

Lol nice one. That would be scary to see. People splitting in half in the street. Fuck that

[Nodachi]

Hmmm. If the society of today means the act of real sex out in the open is public indecency... does that mean in amoeba society splitting in two while in public count as indecency by the same standards?

[Dale1982]

Can hardly see little ameobas dressed as cops with tiny vans lifting other wee ameobas for public indecency. Then there'd have to be social worker ameobas and little lawyer ameobas with robes on and tiny fines and court summons and stuff. Tiny wee jails too. The hydra uses asexual reoroduction to. It clones itself. Only trouble with cloning is there isn't a choice of genes, the offspring is exactly the same as the parent in every way. Be a boring bloody world

[chrismarie5589]

You know what's misogyny? When I tell a group of feminists that I can't wait to get married, have kids and be a good wife to my husband and they all give you the look of death... as if getting married is the worst thing you can do.

[Toreno]

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[chrismarie5589]

@Toreno lol me?

[Toreno]

No, the feminists )

[xBreezy]

@chrismarie5589 You can be mommy i'll be dad.

[chrismarie5589]

@xBreezy I'll pass, you're too young

[xBreezy]

Shit...
At least tell me where can i find a woman like yourself.

[chrismarie5589]

@xBreezy hahahah there are plenty of us, some of us are quiet about these views as being an iconoclast is the last thing they'd like to be. I'm vocal about it because it's fun to see people's reactions :)

[JayB88]

Only if they are misandriastic too. To be clear, I don't like gender roles. Women tell me I'm not a man a few times a year. Men find me quite masculine and "manly" however.

[disgustingweebtrash]

>GENDER ROLES
>MISOGYNISTIC

There's gender roles for men too you know, not just women.

[AleDeEurope]

Shhh giving your life to protect your family and working all day for them, is oppressive.

[disgustingweebtrash]

@AleDeEurope women are strong and independent
oh look my welfare came in

[rggfdgrtyty]

I know but I wanted to hear your opinions about whether gender roles are misogynistic or not. Read the title again.

[disgustingweebtrash]

Then you should specify gender roles for WOMEN as when you say gender roles as a whole it would include male gender roles as well.

[rggfdgrtyty]

are male gender roles misogynstic?

[disgustingweebtrash]

More so than women, women's traditional gender roles is to look after the children, be a house wife and such.

Men's gender roles revolve entirely looking after the woman, and most women want to get rid of women's traditional gender roles whilst keeping the guy's ones.

[disgustingweebtrash]

Fuck why did I say "more so"

Let's just say you said "Misandrist" instead of "Misogynist"

[Lopezz1999]

Misogynistic? No, it isn't. They're more of a traditional way of life, and being traditional isn't discriminatory against women.

[Heera]

Not misogynistic but rather somehow sexist to both sexes, but it depends on the individual. There s no shame into choosing to be a housewife or whatever, but everyone should make their own choice NOT based on what society wants them to be.

[DinaM]

Not inherently. They can be restrictive and unfair on both sides, but I don't think misogyny is the right word for it.

[DJohnny]

Should I feel stupid for asking wth misogynistic is? I honestly don't know that means without googling it lol.

[rggfdgrtyty]

thanks to feminism I know that such a word exists in English. LOL

[DJohnny]

Just googled it lol. No gender roles aren't whatever that word is. It's all bullshit tbh can't two people who love each other just be with each other without all this new age shit haha.

[G-Daz]

No... there are only 2 genders (sorry but it's a fact), and women and men are inherently different

[FakeName123]

Even if gender roles were sexist - why would they only be sexist towards one gender?

That's beyond retarded.

[TheMoroccangirl]

They're not, because they're based on the qualities of both sexes.

[CubsterShura]

Gender roles aren't misogynistic, enforcing then on someone is.

[_lauren_]

kinda are, kinda not. gender roles in the sense that this what people who identify as male female tend to do is fine. However, gender roles as expectations for people to live their are bad.