Should the accusations of the #MeToo movement be accepted as true without proof? (Page 2)

[chris1984]

every crime requires proof.

without proof, it becomes a witch-hunt. remember those? "she's a witch, i saw her banging the devil!" "fair enough, lets kill her then"

[Anonymous]

An accusation, without proof, could be considered as libel if in a written accusation, or slander if spoken. Proof is always needed, otherwise it smacks of people wanting a moment of fame!

[wankiam]

generally you would be right but in this case its merely an anon click here thing to raise awareness. its not a day in court its more like signing a petition and even if 25percent of women were lying it still does its job

[Opinion Owner]

@wankiam I agree. If it is just relating a bad experience, without naming names, then no proof is needed. It is just anecdotal. It is only when names are involved that proof is really required.

[wankiam]

exactly and as i understand it the meetoo movement isn't about naming names. just exposing the prevailance so its a good thing.

[Butthole1234]

INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. I do think most people who have said they were raped were actually raped, and that only some lie about it, but it’s not true until it’s proven.

[scooogy]

and what would you consider more important? How the perpetrator meant it to be or how the victim and felt about what the perpetrator did? Like to him it might have been innocent, but to her it was rape?

[Butthole1234]

Either aren’t more important than the other to me, it’s just about what happened.

[Butthole1234]

Like for an example, If a person was intoxicated and the perpetrator took advantage of that, it’s rape. If the person said no, it’s rape.

[Butthole1234]

I don’t really go by what the others say is rape, like for an example when they say “if she didn’t say yes, it means no” because a girl can not say yes and to me that’s unwanted sex, but that doesn’t mean the guy raped her. It’s both the lack of strength to say no on her part and the poor judgement on how she’s feeling on his part.

[Butthole1234]

Sorry all these long ass comments haha

[scooogy]

I think what makes it more complicated in our society is to make females even feel guilty of having raped a male (or female) because the majority seems to still think that only males could rape someone. And I had girls laugh it off if they were accused of having done something wrong which they didn't want to accept.

[Butthole1234]

I don’t think only guys can rape, sorry if I gave off that vibe lol.

[scooogy]

well, if you don't mind messaging me, i can tell you my case

[madgoat]

Not exactly sure what this is about but as a general rule, I'm concerned about a bunch of people attempting to destroy someone's life based on hearsay or the Internet moral court. Most countries have a law system for a reason.

[more2life]

INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. A L W A Y S. We cannot bend the rules of law for anyone. It is downright disgusting, shameful and ridiculous that anyone would expect this!

[Torex]

Innocent until proven guilty of both the accused and the accuser. Aka don't treat the #metoo as lying scum without proof of them lying, and don't treat those they accused as rapists without proof.

[Maxemeister]

Nobody is accepting without proof. Most of these allegations have legitimate merit and evidence backing them up. One woman literally recorded an interaction she had with one of the accused and the police did jack shit

[Soteris]

No, but your definition of proof is instead put into question here. After all you can put the bar as high or as low as you want it to manipulate the result of this question.

[error404lifenotfound]

In these times, it only takes a few words for a woman to ruin a man's entire reputation even if he did nothing. That is absolutely horrible. Of course you need proof.

[HungLikeAHorsefly]

If someone were making an actual accusation, then of course they need proof. But, that's not what #metoo is about.

[jamaletje]

I think we should be carefull regardless, an accusation could mean the end of someones life, work etc. So some form of proof should be needed. As all crimes need.

[CaptainSmartass]

They should have to provide proof. No judge in the world would hear a case with a weak accusation without proper evidence to back it up. Hell, the case probably wouldn't even make it to court "sans evidence".

Simples...

[Surely]

Think about this... If the first woman would have filed criminal charges and the man found guilty of? All of the other women assaulted by this person would not have been!!! Shame on the first one for not reporting when it first happened..

[Guanfei]

Of course not. I mean, come on, any girl could go and pretended to be raped or assaulted and we should just put the guy in jail based on it?

With all the crazy feminazis roaming around, that will make a lot of people sent to prison for no reason.

[soccerchick4eva]

ok.. am i the only one who doesn't know what this is..

[aman015]

Same here I'm clueless too

[soccerchick4eva]

@aman015 I literally have no idea what everyone is talking about haha

[cavmanier]

That's a positive for both of you

[mac_daddy416]

I say end of day judge of public opinion don't you to trial. The law does. So according to the Law case without evidence is Fake and gets thrown out. So why trust those dirty lying ladies unless they got video proof.

[mac_daddy416]

I say, end of day the judge of public opinion don't you to trial. The law does. So according to the Law case without evidence is Fake and gets… [+]

[awesometjgreen]

I don't think anyone just accepts these things. They usually seem legit to me. I only question it when like 100 women come out. Like yeah I believe maybe 50 of y'all but maybe that other 50 could be lying but good luck to you if your notm

[ClassyMoose]

I don't care how they provide proof. Those kinds of accusations can ruin lives, so we better take care to make sure that they are at least very plausible.

[Kenni]

It's like asking you to prove that you really ate pizza last night. Doesn't make any sense to me.

[Kkaos]

Did you just compare sexual assault to eating pizza?

[Kenni]

... did I

[WalterBlack]

That is an odd comparison. However, it would be equally difficult to prove either thing happened, IF there is NO physical evidence.

[Kenni]

My point exactly

[cavmanier]

On the other side of what you said, if you accept all accusations for all crimes, every person would be in jail likely. I mean if someone was mildly upset with you, they can easily fabricate you stealing their pizza they were gonna eat. I'm not trying to take anything away from the victims. These sexual assaults do sicken me. I think some proof is important if the claim has negative effects on the persons like. The problem is the public will assume what they want.

[Kkaos]

@cavmanier The point is eating pizza is irrelevant, no one cares if you eat pizza or not... Therefore there's no point in trying to prove it. Sexual assualt is a big thing. You can't compare the two things.

Now if you're just going to say I was sexually assualted and say nothing else, sure just say it and people can believe you if they so choose (you can never force someone to believe you). But when it comes to the legal world, if you're going to name the person who assaulted you, you better have proof, otherwise you can expect to be sued for defamation.

[cavmanier]

@Kkaos You can swap the word pizza with any noun. Pizza is a subject for the concept.

Your second paragraph is what I meant. I think if a person wants to disclose info to feel better emotionally, that's great. A girl saying a guy did X and he gets booted from school isn't okay i m o. Yeah probably 3/4 guys probably did X, but I don't think it's okay to assume the 1/4 of guys that were set up due to anger or bitterness is okay. Most girls would agree with that I bet. I think they just often have a feeling that they want womens' voices to be taken serious so they don't consider the victim guys when emboldened.

[WalterBlack]

Agreed. I think the pizza analogy was in regard to the probability (is that a word?) of the offense, NOT the seriousness.

[WalterBlack]

Proveability not probability - autocorrect fail.

[Kenni]

At least some people here are thinking

[Kkaos]

@WalterBlack That's obvious and that's also irrelevant. It's the seriousness that makes something worth proving. If we wanted to prove that you ate pizza light night, it would actually be very simple... But no one gives a fuck.

The difference is that there's no point in proving if someone ate pizza because it's irrelevant. There is a very big point in proving that someone is going around assaulting people. Making it a flawed analogy.

[ObliviousJester]

Too many people love to play the victim for attention

[tan_n]

I said other because it depends. If it was taken to court they should provide proof. But Just for posting it on social media I don't think they should

[rocket_nazi]

that's called slander. (i feel libel requires publication)

[SarahsSummer]

Accusations should be believed. If it’s a workplace issue, HR should investigate. If there’s a criminal element, those should be investigated as well before assigning guilt.

[johnboymuscles]

If you make false claims you should be punished to the equal length that the person you accused would be. 10 years for rape? Ok 10 years for lying about it.

[claw09]

Hell fucking no. Since when do assume guilt until proven innocent?

[Bandit74]

I don't think that is fair to the people being accused.

[Nougat]

25% of girls who voted are either retarded or fat femenists with rainbow hair

[RationalMale]

These accusers should at least go fill out police reports and affidavits... Wait, filing a false police report is a crime you say?

[YHL6965]

No, innocent until proven guilty is the best base for justice. I wouldn't want to have my life ruined over a false accusation.

[YHL6965]

Unfrotunately, there are no real proofs of rape other than recordings. Hell, even recordings might have a context like a rape fetish. Anyway, I don't want the justice to favor the accuser. Simple accusations of rape can ruine a man's life, even when proven innocent.

[Cornchipuniverse]

Accuses should have proof. Without proof anyone could say anything to get someone they don't like thrown in jail for no reason

[RastaMahn]

Any "accusation" of something that happened more than 24 hours ago and wasn't reported to the police should be actionable as slander against the accuser.

[heyheyitsa]

They should not be accepted but we should refrain from commenting on the accusations.

[ryancg]

Absolutely nothing should be accepted as the truth without legitimate proof.

[TheSpartan]

They should be accepted at face value provided they’re not accusing anyone specifically or trying to prove their case in court.

[britpop]

Nothing should be accepted without proof

[Smegskull]

A lot of people coming forward are braking NDAs Harvey may actually make money in lawsuits effectively refunding his payouts from buying silence.

[TallAnon]

OP raped me when I was 5, everyone who voted here was watching #MeToo
What do you think? 😒

[Philyouup]

Due process is always good. But sometimes you got to go with your gut

[Anonymous]

they already are, and no they should not. this is beyond stupid atm.

[JinnRose]

If so then every accusation in history should be accepted as true without proof. Is that what you want?

[Anonymous]

I'm just going to hop on the #MeToo bandwagon. Now what is this about?

[Horik]

Sure, let's put people on prison without proof, sounds like a rational thing to do.

[Ironlak282]

Of course not, they're already doing that in Australia now. What is wrong with people.

[RohitLakra]

I wonder who these stupid women are who said yes😂

[InTimoreDei]

Been wondering the same thing. 35 women so far said "yes". Doesn't surprise me though.

[RohitLakra]

Those must be some teenage bitches with babies in hands or some old hogs whining about some sort of patriarchy and stuff

[Anonymous]

“Me too” campaign was bullshit.. if it wasn’t for the Male villains, those chicks would never have been worth a dime !!!

[WeirdoWerdo]

Stop being so political dude...

[Political_dude]

😂😂😂😇😇

[cth96190]

No police report, no evidence = she is a liar.

[BoredKid]

What is the #MeToo movement?

[jose7619]

There should at least be a little assumption of innocence. One accusercan't make an automatic guilt

[Rangers]

Nothing should be believed without proof

[Valiric]

Campus rape culture doesn't exist :)

[Valiric]

Watch all the liberal snowflakes get triggered :/ let the fun ensue.

[Ryry97]

Of course not - innocent until proven guilty

[GayHowellMeme]

They should give proof

[disgustingweebtrash]

No. Accusers should provide proof

[jakeofalltrades]

no, they need some kind of proof

[grega239]

The burden of proof falls on the accuser

[NickoN]

proof is always needed

[Krumpir]

You should have explain what is that move
...

[romperstomper]

Yes they should be accepted without proof

[momo770]

Hell no, verify!

[NerdInDenial]

Due process, anyone?