Picture source: Kevinbolk on Deviantart Not sure the pic is gonna fit so: On the picture there is a bunch of conventionally attractive women with different body types, who push ugly people (men, poc, old people, very fat people) out of the highlighted frame where they're standing, the frame says: "everybody is beautiful". The ugly people are outside of the frame, standing in the dark (excluded) from the "everybody is beautiful" group. I feel like the body positivity movement is made for conventionally attractive people who are insecure with their flaws to hype each other up. You'll see tons of chubby women with a beautiful face, smooth skin and good body shape, skinny women and athletic women who are completely gorgeous, supermodels with Vilitigo, women who have stretch marks or scars on a hot body, girls with acne on a doll face, whatever cute girl who usulally don't put makeup on with a cute makeover... And for poc, if they're not East-Asian (because Asian fever trend) they better be gorgeous to be included, same for disabled people. You won't see actual ugly people, who could benefit from positivity a lot too. Nobody stops them from joining the movement right? But to me it feels like participants and and people who support the movement don't want to deal with helpless ugliness, minorities, ill people... They want to tap a like on a pretty picture, they don't want to be confronted to actual negativity and give some support. This is how I see it. What do you think? I'm not trying to put a guilty sticker on all the participants of body positivity movements, just trying to point out what I feel that's wrong with it. Also I'm not a writer don't be too harsh pls thanks.
Yes, the body positivity movement is hypocritical
No, it's not and body positivity really is for everyone
Based on several of these comments, I would say that it's ever so important. I get it, a lot of people don't like to think everyone can be beautiful, because they believe beauty is only defined as an objective standard (which is relative to other people). Sometimes, it is important for people to see that not everyone needs to have the "unhealthy" starving white model. or perhaps it is important to be more compassionate to people who already feel the burden of feeling unattractive everyday.
They go to doctors who tell them to lose weight because of health risks, and most have them have tried, and failed, and feel ashamed about it. Going out of your way to knock down a movement designed to boost an individual's self esteem (self esteem that DOES NOT involve you), is already kicking someone when they've fallen down from trying and telling them not to bother getting back up. Maybe the movement won't change your perception of beauty, but to a person who has felt every waking moment feeling ashamed that "they keep failing to be attractive", it is a breath of fresh air to hear, "it's okay, you are still worthy of love."
I don't agree with trying to "force" others to accept you. We ALL have types, and that means that there is someone out there for everyone.
It's FAR more important to love YOURSELF. Me for example, I'm a fat chick, and I have zero self-esteem issues. I know most men aren't interested in me, and I don't get upset about it, because I know we're not compatible, and I wouldn't be happy with them anyway.
I also don't care about looks, I'm into intellect, so I'd rather a funny/smart guy than a hot one. I did get lucky though, @TheTrueLordJ is both ;-)
And while we're on this very related topic, race is another physical body trait that no one should shame you for, either for being that race, or for not wanting to date that race.
Preference is NOT a conscious choice, but racism and hate are.
When it comes to dating, you're far more likely to choose someone that resembles your caregivers or parents, in looks and personality, because your concept of "normal" relationship habits forms within the first 7 years of life.
When you say you don't agree with trying to force others to accept you, doesn't that also apply to gay and trans people. I shouldn't be forced to accpet anyone, if they are fat, gay or both. I'm not saying I don't accept gay people, I am saying no one should be forced to agree with something that they dont in the place. They have a right not to accept it just as much as someone can be fat, gay, trans or whatever. Stop caring so much about what other people think and be your self for your self.
Well I personally am in full support of equal rights for all, but you are correct.
However, it is a two-way street. You don't get to decide what's right or wrong, for them, and they don't get to tell you what to believe either.
Agree to disagree, live and let live. If what they do isn't hurting you, don't do anything to hurt them, that's my philosophy. (Not just talking about sexuality here)
I don't agree with refusing service to an individual based on what they do behind closed doors. If the service they are requesting has nothing to do with you religious practices. Like say for example you own a restaurant. Refusing to cater their wedding, I could understand, by denying them entry for lunch on Tuesday? No, that's not okay. They are just another paying customer at that point.
I think it depends on exactly what you mean by the body positivity movement. In any movement like this there are people who take the message too far, to an absurd level beyond where the movement was intended. But we have to be careful not to confuse that message with the better message that the movement started with. If the message is something like, you have just as much value as anyone else, and it's OK to love yourself no matter what your body type is - there's nothing wrong with that message. It doesn't mean it's healthy to be overweight or anything, it's just saying that your value as a person isn't defined by your weight. If you take the more extreme messages that you see in this or any movement, then sure you see a lot of nonsense.
Sadly a lot of people commenting focused on the weight thing. I really wanted to talk about people who aren't attractive in general, whom a little positivity could help feel really good, not people who are unattractive because they are unhealthy.
Yes, there are hypocritical moments. It's not possible to be perfectly body positive in all ways. Each of us has our own internal preferences, which are also sometimes the flip side of prejudices.
We just have to try to demonstrate the best we can in the movement.
Our bodies have a range of ways that they can successfully get us from birth to death, and hopefully, there's a lot of days between.
The movement says "hey, beauty is in the eye of the beholder AND that's ok, because then everyone can be beautiful to someone one day".
I am a fat guy (+8kg) and I do think the body positivity whatever is hypocritical. First of all the goal and intent of it was noble initially which was to breach the gap of different groups and circumstances, build greater understanding and create an environment where people would be productive and constructive in their feedback on how to lose weight. Which to me is the ideal goal, healthy lifestyles that is, a neglected part of my own life once.
But then I was never into special interests and being an activist for whatever cause (I do my own thing regardless of what somebody else thinks, call it genuine confidence). At some point it became hypocritical by starting to bully healthy and fit people for having healthy lifestyles and in some instances trying to provide excuses for being overweight.
Yes there are reasons to gain weight easier than someone else, yes some people have to put a lot of effort to being fit and healthy while others don't have to watch it at all due to their fast metabolism, but it is by no means impossible to at the very least aspire for healthier lifestyle choices if nothing else.
And look, I am not saying be proverbial " asshole " to someone for being different than you, nobody thinks highly of assholes, but genuinely confident people who want others to grow to be the best versions of themselves they can be, that is what I aspire for as well.
As a disabeled guy I can tell you for a fact that I can steal the exact text used by extremely popular guys on dating apps and will get 1% or less of the interest. Physical beauty does matter. What's even worse about these movements is they seem to say if you aren't attracted to big people, you're an asshole, but usually weight is at least SOMEWHAT controllable. Deformations due to disability are not. You don't get to be upset if you get less interest because you are big, if i get less interest because of a disability. Thank you for this post!
Most of people reacting to my post talk about obesity. I get the point but I thought more of healthy people who aren't conventionally attractive. Like you, you're an healthy person who's disabled, but because you're not a young white handsome guy, you won't get any support from those movements. That's what it's about.
Well, since beauty is a very subjective thing, it's save to say everybody is beautiful to somebody.
And if you think you are not beautiful to anyone (assuming that's you in your picture), then it's you who's delusional. No offense (actually kinda the opposite of offense).
Not attractive but beautiful? Not sure what that means.
Anyway, all I'm saying is that anyone can be attractive to *someone*, even if they're considered unattractive by *most*. Makes no sense to view beauty in such absolutes.
Ok instead of throwing around this shit dude. Take charge instead of complaining I'm not political but someone who's complaining about the AGENDA and nagging something they haven't stepped up to help out with shouldn't really complain, if they don't offer a solution or at the very least constructive criticism
I'm an old school lefty (I'm swedish and we used to be good at real leftism).
I'm for big state providing essentials to people who can't afford it. Nationalised health care, a standardised high quality school system for all, base pension guarantees, state run mass transit etc. In other words society infrastructure and economy. I don't care about culture wars.
The young identitarian movements are ruining the real left, hogging the agenda with their non-issues, giving everyone on the left a bad rep with their obnoxiousness.
I'd love it if they could just stop calling themselves leftists altogether and describe themselves more accurately as (pink) neoliberals. They are often right wing by omission tbh.
@CharlieUnicorn I actually respect those on the left who have a solid sense of their political idealism and are consistent in their desire to implement it, based on patriotic motivations (despite the fact that I disagree with their political views.) As you have observed, most of those currently on the left are as corrupt as those on the right, and they are not thinking for themselves but are like sheep being led to the slaughter by leftist power mongers.
@CharlieUnicorn I think the primary difference between the pure leftists and the pure rightists lie in a fundamental assumption about the purpose of government. Those on the left want a government that takes care of them as much as possible because that gives them security. Those on the right want a government that does as little as possible and leaves the maximum freedom to its people. Neither choice is clearly right or wrong and we make that choice based on our individual needs and the perceived needs of those around us.
I see the main trouble somewhere else. Since a while there is a trend in media and public events, that we all are supposed to measure and judge next to each and everything. Examples: Talent shows, 'How do I look (be honest...)', sports, beauty, movie awards, election results, Dow Bones Index, youtube's 'Top ten of any shit', Xper-level... Humanity is (or was) brainwashed to believe that we MUST have an opinion, and that we MUST rate things. This goes together with categorizing: Genders, Political position, sexual orientation, Penis type, ... No longer do we say: 'Hey, there is Susan. She is a nice person' Instead it is: 'The white ugly old woman over there is a little dumb. Let's find out her name'. This makes people who score 'low' doubt their 'value' and it leads to misery at least, and unrest on other levels. A 'Body Positivity Movement' (or any other similar endeavour) is no doubt well meaning. Nevertheless, it contributes to focus on mostly irrelevant measuring procedures and so rather makes things worse than better. It would be a good thing to not read such groups' messages to the end, ignore them as much as possible - and lead a real life; with real people.
I feel like some of it is and some of it isn't. People like that "plus sized" model Ashley something (?), She is a part of the hypocritical stuff. She's a goddamn supermodel. She's not an obese woman. I also think body positivity can be a serious negative in some cases. A severely obese person should not be comfortable with how they look or feel. They should get healthy asap. A person who has a little extra padding should be able to love their body. I think calling such a massive topic like this hypocritical is a little naive considering everything that falls under it. That cartoon is not all what this movement is about. It's a much bigger picture and a much more complicated discussion.
Some people Advocate it for the exposure, it's seen as a good thing so if you are supporting it then you are a good person right?
That isn't the point of it. The way you have described it isn't the point either, the point is that everybody has flaws, but to some people it isn't a flaw. That you should be proud of the body you have and you shouldn't make fun of other people's shortcomings.
Some of it is a fine line, it doesn't always come across in certain ways. One thing to remember is that these campaigns use models!
I think the movement is stupid because no one should feel guilty about the acknowledgement is beauty versus average. I know for a fact that lying to a person only bring disastrous results. People who aren't attractive will know they're not no matter what you say, deal with it.
As for it models, those are people we use to represent our products and causes, they cannot be average looking people, nobody will buy the product of ideas, including the people who complain. Same went for when average women became stripper, it made my type unwelcome and turned off quality clients.
People should stay in their lane. All in all body positivity should be for people to embrace their flaws because we all have them, using the best representative of that flaw helps more than it hurts, trust me.
I agree, the body acceptance movement should be for people who are crippled, amputees, burn scars or severe disfigurement, victims of acid attacks, stroke victims, people with Bell's Palsy or Down Syndrome or other disorders like that. Not for fat fucks that want to justify their poor diets and laziness by saying "I'm beautiful too!" No, you're not, there's nothing attractive about someone who lets them self go completely. Hit the gym and lose some weight, people are lift are objective sexier than people who don't, even if they're not conventionally attractive.
Pfff the beauty industry is not compromising its imaginative standards (all models are photoshopped and contoured,) unless ugly becomes the new pretty.
The industries are controlled by our judgeful general consensous.
If short hairy men became the dream guy, youd start seeing them in magz.
Even think, as a black girl, seeing a dark skinned, bald model for covergirl was shocking - never seen one until then 24 years of my life, and grew up feeling very ugly because I was black.
With all the natural afro hair movement, black lives matter, black Panther, other races dating more black girls, suddenly we are beauty icon?
Body possitivity is cancer. People are getting fatter and fatter and everybody is supposed to still tell them, that they are beautiful. Guess what: Obesity is not beautiful.
Just stop with this BS.
I am very fat and it does not help to not be told the truth. I am finally losing weight to get back to a healthy lifestyle and I am proud of that. That is an accomplishment, while staying fat is easy.
Dont go the easy way, fuck Body Positivity and really become beautiful. And if you can't stand the truth, dont ask for it.
This trend of calling things we disagree with "cancer" really needs to stop.
Other than that, I agree that it's very important to not downplay the health risks of obesity for the sake of not hurting feelings. But pointing out to the health risks does not have to mean we have to outright shame people. Being honest doesn't have to mean being an asshole. I hope you get what I'm trying to say.
But it is like cancer: It srarted as a little smal niche somewhere in has been growing and spreading ever since. Just like a tumor.
As a fat person myself (at one point, I weighed 140kg / 300 pounds) I say: Yes, please shame us. Its the only thing, that works. Just "telling" someone, that he "maybe should lose some weight" doesn't do shit. Nothing will change, if you dont tell an obese person. When your feelings dont get hurt, you have no reason to change something. Sometimes you just need a thicker skin and someone who kicks your ass.
Yes but not in the way you're saying. Aside from media representations trying to simultaneously cater to both men (by showing sexy women) and women (by saying "everyone is beautiful"), I see far more people online who are conventionally unattractive trying to make conventionally attractive people feel bad about themselves.
Pretty true. I’m a mother of three and I’ve been shamed for being skinny by other mums. Thing is I’m skinny because I work hard to keep fit. I keep myself fit and healthy because I have an auto immune disease which puts me at a higher risk of cancer plus I’m also setting a good example for my kids.
I think it is what YOU make it. Whole the beauty industry will always have its limitations it has been more inclusive, you can't deny that progress has been made. Even on ANTM the girls did a shoot with "real men" meaning guys with averdage bodies, even overwight. One girl made a rude comment and tyra took to twitter to shut that shit down.
My mother has always been plus sized and just recently started taking real pride in her appearance. She made a comment the other day while we were shopping, she said "I've never been allowed to buy cute clothes before. Anything in my size was made to hide my body but now I can find trendy clothes that never in a million years id think someone my size could or would wear". Id hold up a cute top and shed say "i can't wear that " and i just reply "they have it in your size, so clearly you can." So even that little shift in the industry can make a difference on the average person.
Feminism associated movements tend to be hypocritical in general, but at least in this case it's make some sense and it's completely hypocritical, so I would go with other. The body positive movement seems to understand that they can't stretch it too far, with a complete fan disservice, so basically their motto is not supposed to be taken too literally. The most poplar body type for women, is an thin body with no tattoos, there is a reason why pornographic actresses with tattoos work only/mostly in alternative porn and not in mainstream porn. Also women with chubby or muscular body type tend to have hard time too. As for "minorities", how is black girl don't count as minority by default and why she need to be unattractive to count?
Your GORGEOUS! Fuck everyone who thinks anything like you should weigh what the most advanced medical minds in the history of forever agree is a healthy weight! They just can't handle a real womyn! Probably play WOW and fuck a doll, the losers.
Male? Have 8 pack abs but slightly sort of maybe retaining a fraction of a percent more than normal water?
LOL. Fat ass! Neckbeard! Virgin! Probably a fag with a little dick! You mad? You're just bitter because you can't get laid!
Because they don't like when women stand up and try to change things. It takes them from their comfort zone of privilege, so they feel victimized and attacked. Welcome to our world men!
The real problem is much of the body positive movement continues to equate beauty with value rather than challenging the importance society places on beauty. I absolutely believe that everyone is attractive to someone and that people deserve to see their bodies as beautiful. However, the important thing about a body is that it's what's keeping you alive and allowing you to have a human experience. How it looks is significant for certain parts of life, but far from all, and yet cultures continue to reinforce the idea that beauty defines a person's worth.
Rather than trying to convince people to see beauty in fatness or acne (my acne is nothing like constellations, like I appreciate the sentiment, but nahh), we should to emphasizing that people have wildly different preferences, there's no one way to be beautiful, and regardless of whether you find them nice to look at people are worthy of respect.
I think the claim that every one is beautiful is idiotically stupid as we all know that's completely false. We have certain preferences, they are their for a reason. As for body positive being hypocritical, of course it is. They are not saying shaming men for being fat is bad, nor are they saying shaming men who are short is bad, they are only focusing it on one particular group, women, and even then only non traditional women. They are not saying that fit and attractive home maker is attractive, they don't care about her any more then they care about the body image of the short/fat guy. They absolutely are hypocrits but the movement itself is also wrong because not every one is attractive, we all know it its innate and no amount of social conditioning is going to change that.
It does have it's hypocrisy, yes. Don't get me wrong I love thick women or "BBWs," but I am not going to excuse women who are a real definition of overweight and say they shouldn't get into better shape. Furthermore I do find it extremely ironic how very overweight women want to be accepted but actually think they're in a position to be picky about men and their own bodies.
To me this is a wonderful, sexy female body. Some would call this fat but to me is just thick.
I think in general it's a great idea, but hasn't always been carried out in such a great thing. I'm a naturally small framed person an I'm a dancer which keeps me quite thin regardless of bone structure so I guess I have what you'd call a conventionally attractive body type. I've felt shamed often for looking this way by people who are trying to be more inclusive and in doing so, accidentally started excluding people. I think if we focused more on loving our bodies by keeping them healthy, that would be a much better use of the movement. Too thin and too large are equally dangerous and detrimental to your health. So instead of saying love your body because everyone is beautiful, even though I think that's true, I wish we'd say, I love my body so I take care of it and THAT makes me beautiful.
I think the picture is meant to be ironic, and it’s trying to say exactly what you wrote. I don’t think the body positivity movement is hypocritical. When it’s on posters, obviously it’s more eye catching and visually pleasing to put fairly attractive people of various body types up, rather than displaying ugly people. I think that’s purely because of aesthetics, not because it’s trying to exclude anyone.
Body positivity does seem to be catering to a select group. On a side note, I do enjoy watching the fat women who have control over what they eat complaining about the cancer research UK charity advert about obesity being the second most preventable cause of cancer after smoking. They are just fat slobs who group themselves with other types of genuine disabilities to defend themselves from criticism, horrible weak people with zero moral integrity who can change if they want, others can't.
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Beauty: a combination of qualities, such as shape, color, or form, that pleases the aesthetic senses, especially the sight.
Is everyone a perfect combo? No. Is everyone beautiful? Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Is the body positivity movement perfect? No. Is the body positivity movement eye opening? Yes. Can someones personality make them beautiful? Yes. (Unless you have the personality that can't think beyond seeing...)
Every word has a different opinion matching the different persons perspectives on it based on their own experiences and personalities.
All humans are hypocritical and with faults. Therefore, so are their creations. The point of the message, I believe, is to bring positivity... As stated in it's title.
NOW if you are talking about the body positivity as exploited in commercials... Commercializing intentions don't match with genuine intentions.
I completely agree. I have noticed that on all these body positive things it is almost always still beautiful people with perfect skin and often very much photoshopped. I do believe though that the concept of ugliness is VERY subjective but I do think these movements are still flawed simply due to the fact that they do also edit their things highly and everyone looks perfect...
I don't know... I just think people should figure out what is offensive to themselves alone and stop trying to be part of some group offended party. Like "hi we're all ugly, let's make a club!" "Great idea!" ... Whhhhhyyyy do people fight over who gets to be considered really ugly? "You just say that because you are only fake ugly!" What do you win if everyone agrees, "you're right you are the only truly ugly person in the world. You get max ugly points."
It'll always be hypocritical because beauty sells. Only models I've seen are beautiful and/or unique looking. That's just what people advertise what they see attractive to sell a product or some commercial of some kind. It's not fair and it definitely has affected me and a lot of other people who don't look like the "pretty people" on the tv/magazines. Celebrities are "high" standard. It's just how it is
I personnaly find nothing wrong with her, but I doubt she is conventionally attractive. She is fat, but not "sexy fat" like the society would want her to be to be accepted as attractive.
I don’t understand the point of body positivity really.
If you define yourself as desiring to be attractive and you aren’t then you need to do something to look attractive.
Otherwise, if you are an outstanding award winning scientist and you happen to be obese who fucking cares, you’re body isn’t making you an outstanding scientist so quit worrying about it and Be an outstanding scientist and don’t insist to me I should accept looking at your fat ass in a bikini cuz I don’t wanna see it.
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Yes I agree with You. It’s not for really ugly people. All in all it’s business. They need to sell it. Some things are easier to work with and can give spectacular results and some shock value but it’s not possible with most of truly ugly. This is business and there is no place for truly ugly there. So it’s hypocritical yes
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I think what ur saying is partially true. But I think we should just throw the movement aside. It's on the right track with including women of different body types, now we just have to work harder to make it include people that don't look conventionally pretty.
Definitely. Sometimes, not all the time, but sometimes it seems it's OK for a girl to be chubby, or called a BBW, among other things. Then if a guy is overweight, then he's considered gross and a slob. I'm not fat myself, so I'm not trying to talk about things that have happened to me or anything. I'm just pointing out hypocrisy that I've seen on dating sites while reading through profiles as well as lot of Q&As on here.
I myself don't feel like it's ok for women to be overweight, some men like fat girls but some women like fat guys too. I think the whole bbw thing only exists to make fat women feel better about themselves whereas there doesn't need to be anything like that for men because men don't put some much focus on their looks or base their self worth on their looks the way women tend to.
@cflr0227, I require evidence. Show examples of conventionally attractive, fit and healthy women who love fat men WHO ARE NOT WEALTHY. Take all the time you need.
@cflr0227 For me, everyone is attractive to someone. I'm not attracted to larger females and actually tend to be more attracted to females who are short, skinny, and flat. Just my type really and nothing against bigger girls, just not my type. I think a lot of guys do care about their looks, back when I was in my mid twenties to late twenties after my divorce I worked out often and was ripped. But I wasn't happy, I worked out because that's what I thought women wanted. I don't do hookups, casual sex, friends with benefits or anything like that. I've learned over time that I'm going to do what makes me happy, I have an average body type and I'm cool with that. If someone doesn't like me, I don't care anymore. I'm a former chef and baker, a lover of dogs, and I already know what I'm going to do for the rest of my life and if I find someone to join, then cool. I feel old, when I tell people that I don't care what people think of me and I don't even use social media aside from here.
I could take time to think of some but any pics of people you know like celebrities would be wealthy, but off the top of my head me, i have dated many over weight guys and I no self am small in good shape and not being cocky but a pretty attractive girl, my mom's good friend is absolutely georgous and her ex husband was a very very overweight man as well. It seems to me and an absolutely asinine statement to say that no attractive thin women would want an overweight man, i mean how out of all the people in the world you are trying to tell me, an attractive in shape woman that had dated many overweight men, that there is no women out there that don't require a man to be in good shape? How much more ridiculous a statement can be made. My whole point was that bbw should not exist and it only does because fat women need the confidence boost and fat men dont because they aren't hard wired to believe they are only worthy because of their looks.
I can't even make myself read all of that, so this reaction is viceral.
Body positivity is the result of people wanting to also feel special or purposeful. People that make choices that don't equal that result and would have to do things they don't want to do (like diet and exercise) in order to be special and purposeful are simply feeling inept.
The fox and the grapes basically. Aesop covered all this shit so long ago... people just are dumb now.
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It kinda is. I mean all these morbidly obese "models" telling young girls it's okay to be fat is just stupid. Yes you should love who you are, but it you are overweight you should get help, not just accept it. Being healthy can improve your life in so many ways, and it really is horrible that these people are telling impressionable young girls that it's okay to be fat.
Yeah depends how big you're talking, a bit bigger is really really sexy, much sexier than skinny... But unhealthy is like unhealthy so like, be healthy everyone's different some bigger girls are still healthy some aren't just like some girls who are skinny are unhealthy and need to gain weight
Yeah it's all liberal feel-good bullshit. It's like passing out "participation trophys" to kids on the team that absolutely no effort or contribution to the team that year.
@Wally48 "Liberal" means nothing. If someone is incorrect or correct about something, labels like that, or other political labels, do not further or hinder their actual argument. Either someone uses logic, reason, and evidence, or they don't. Viewpoints should be judged on their own merits.
@sparklefairy A bit bigger is not, not really sexy, and unsexy in general compared to skinny/slim. I can't pick up and give a piggyback ride through the park to a chubby girl who weighs thirty pounds more than she should. Don't know what you think the word "sexy" means.
I think you make a really good point and yeah it is hypocritical to a point but at the same time it can only take so many steps at a time? Theyre trying to enforce change. but yeah just make your voice heard bc that is something that really does need to be talked about way more nd definitely changed. :( <3
I think with the message of “body positivity” and then excluding certain body types from the picture, with the message... people will just dismiss it as PC/social engineering agenda, even if they align with its efforts... you can’t promote acceptance of diversity and exclude groups in the message at the same time, hypocritical and fake
I agree. I think the movement is overusing the word beautiful because let's be honest, not everyone is beautiful. I'm not going to lie and say some girl with a major defect is physically beautiful. The whole movement only perpetuates the belief that physical beauty is the most important thing to a person, as if personality didn't matter at all.
To be fair they advertised some less conventional pretty looks for the media, as it's not only thin girls there, also guys tend to naturally care more about the opposite sex looks.
@Berethor Do they? I question your assertion because in my therapy reception I meet a lot of people and even I was somewhat surprised to learn how often, contrary to the common perception, men like women actually care about a lot more than what meets the eye. For whatever it is worth, men emphasize a game of sorts where ' looks are the most important ', but you need to not only examine real life circumstances and realize this rarely is so. In fact I would say that while looks might be one reason some men and women approach, it is the other traits like body language, humor, confidence etc. that keeps someone around.
Anyway this is a bit off topic. Back to the movement itself.
@BETAOPTICS as far as I know men tend to not give much shit about body language and confidence, in fact almost not one expect women to be confident anyway. A humor? maybe a little. It's not a game, men fully believe that men tend to care more about looks then women, and it's logical, well men tend to be more logical. It's not men that some men don't care about personality, but it's mostly about if a woman is not a bitch, then anything else. Women tend to care more about how they look for a reason. If anything it's a usually game/lie if a man don't admit to care quite a lot about woman's looks.
It is exactly what you said “people who are insecure” hyping each other up. No one can tolerate any negative emotions now-a-days so rather than trying to improve yourself, everyone just normalizes flaws, both ones that truly don’t matter and ones that SHOULD be seen as a problem
It is great to feel good about your body. When your attitude is positive it keeps your mind and body healthy, on the other hand, it is never a good thing to be body positive when you are obese or outrageously overweight, unhealthy and suffering. That's not a body image thing, it's a health risk. Important to know the two and do what needs to be done to take care of yourself.
But attractiveness is so subjective... It's so individualized... I understand that there is an "industry standard" but at least all the people I know don't go by that.
Let's be honest not every body is beautiful but only the unhealthy one is classified as ugly. If ur naturally chubby u go girl but if u on ur couch all day I ain't gonna call u pretty to make u happy
Bodies who naturally store more fat can't go thinner unless they starve themselves. As long as they eat, they're going to store more fat than the average person. They're healthy like everyone who eat healthy. Then you have people who have thyroid dysfunctions that fucks up their metabolism and they're more likely to become obese no matter What they do. Believe it not all fat people are just lazies on a couch.
“We know from research that some genetic predisposition increases your risk to be overweight and obese, but it can be overcome by lifestyle,” says Zhaoping Li, MD, PhD, director of the Center for Human Nutrition at the University of California, Los Angeles. “Genetics load the gun, environment pulls the trigger.”
@SkittleMayn my mom has a rare disease in which in order to be able to survive she must take a pill every 2 hours. That pill increases her weight, I'm a bit tired atm so I won't go into details however if you are interested. Feel free to dm me and you can learn more, but by the end of each month any weight lost during that month will be put back on her so she constantly has to work out but it will NEVER change her aesthetic appearance. The point is tho she's healthy.
Ok I am gonna end trying to assure you that there are exceptions, as it seems you're so deeply rooted in your ideas that you can't seem to fathom any other viewpoint. I'd like to point out you aren't willing to understand where I am coming from so therefore I think the conversation has finished.
@SidKnee Suit yourself. Sure, there are exceptions — however I never claimed there aren't. At least in terms of "natural" obesity. There is nothing natural about having a disease.
That poster is satire, it has to be. But I agree the movement is hypocritical.
I agree you should feel comfortable with how you look as long as you're relatively healthy. But the body positive movement often promotes slutty behavior. I can't condone that. Also it seems to only focus certain groups of women and men and make fun of others.
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I'm not sure if it's hypocritical, but it is delusional and stupid. Not everyone is hot. Some people are naturally hot and some people get there from hard work. The hottest people out there probably started hot and then worked hard to be even hotter. No different from athletic excellence or how people get really smart. You DON'T get there by sitting on your fat ass being an entitled little bitch. That's the sad thing about all the nonsense around body positivity.
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I think of it more as a public pleasing thing. You don't want ugly figures in your face everyday, right? You don't want to see a giant poster of someone who is physically unattractive. It's a way to bring awareness that whatever you look like, it's okay. But it won't be a seller if they actually put ugly people. You can't blame it on them.
To me, I think everyone is beautiful and all body types should be accepted and not judged. BUT I think being extremely unhealthy (obesity or anorexia) is not attractive and shouldn’t be glorified (because yes, it does happen sometimes). Of course there’s some people who have diseases that makes it nearly impossible for them to change their body but when I see people glorifying someone who is unhealthy (that can control it) it makes me sick.
I think body positivity is generally pretty inclusive but of course there's a limit. If someone is deeply unhealthy, that's not something that should be encouraged, plus we're not wired to find a seriously unhealthy person physically attractive.
It's extremely hypocritical. You'll note how all those body positive posts online are from literal models. Like models... as in they are photographed for a living.
A thin photoshoped model is abhorrent, a fat one is inspiring
"You're so lucky you don't put on weight. But your too thin you need to eat more"
Let's call it what it actually is and call it obesity acceptance. because it's not about feeling positive about your body, it's about feeling good about being overweight.
The "body positivity" is inherently fucked up, because NOT everyone is beautiful. That's just how it works. You can say that beuty is in the eye of the beholder, but if something is "standard" it's not because media made us think so, it's vice versa.
Media took what MOST PEOPLE think it's beautiful and used that because they know most people will agree with that. It's a fucking business.
- Someone who is actually unattractive, who doesn't feel the need to be pampered.
There are people who are naturally skinny or people who work hard for their bodies and get shunned because some fatty fat cakes either don't have the genetics or don't want to lose weight or both and they just want the limelight.
Yes I see it all the time. People want to be accepted and force themselves apon people when they are unattractive or overweight. But at the same time they want only the hottest thing they can find and reject ugly people like themselves.
Yeah, pretty much. All movements are made in some self interest.
The body positivity movement seems to be for people who are somewhere in between attractive and unattractive, to try to elevate them to attractive status.
Nothing positive about being super fat or super skinny. Being hypocritical might actually be good if you're showing off someone that's actually healthy for "body positivity". They should aspire to be healthy after all.
Lol, well, does it matter? There is nothing positive about not having the most fit body you can possibly have. Of course the entire point of the movement is to coddle feelings of certain few people, as are most movements anyway.
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Not if you are obese can't walk and barely breathing.. that's wrong
I love women and if they feel like it is important to them then it is. I wouldn't want someone to make something I feel is important feel less just because they like 1 type over another.
And not everyone is attractive. That's a lie we tell ourselves. I'm not as attractive as Ryan Gosling, and that sucks, but I live with it. So can everyone else. It's not a big deal.
Yes is literally an excuse for lazy people, every fat woman who spends hours daily defending or talking about that fat but healthy shit, could instead spend it training
The fat but healthy is mainly a women movement, and yes it does apply for men, but u dont find any male movements where fat guys are posing in beach costumes and saying fat is healthy if u are happy and complaining that fit bodies are not better than fat bodies just because they can't be asked to go to gym. And also the idea that everybody come in different shapes is completely wrong.
What? So naturally every woman has the same body shape to you? Also; you’re deluded if you think fat can not be healthy. There is a certain amount of fat you can have until it get dangerous for your health but even sometimes, even though it’s a bit rare, people can’t help that.
When I say fat I mean obesse or overweight, I know there are different body types but obesse or over weight are not a body type these are medical conditions, yeah few pounds are alright but when there is more than 30-40% body fat that is a problem and is not healthy just look how too much fat can affect the body and the arteries.
Believe me they can, if u have for example diabetes that doesn't mean u will get fat that means is harder for u to lose carbs from your body, therefore diets exist, there is no medical condition that makes u go and eat pizza every day or any junkfood untill u are filled. Is through there are condition that affect body weight but none make u obesse or over weight.
I am currently studying to become a nurse so this is a very important subject to me. The only cause to obesity is not just because they eat and have mistreated their bodies, and I don’t understand why narrow-minded people love to look at it like that! Diseases can cause slow metabolism, and I remember having a friend who had a joint disease so she couldn’t work out because of the pain, so she had no choice but to be overweight.
Diets are not at all that affective. Nearly all people who’s lost weight by diets gains it back by about 5 years. It’s not a sustainable way of losing weight. They can be very harmful, too.
You’re right, there are no diseases that makes you obese but there are a fair share of them which makes you gain weight and make it nearly impossible to loose! In some, and most likely the majority of cases it’s definitely that person in question has mistreated their bodies but keep your mind open for those times it’s not.
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