What are your views on Pedophilia being normalised?

[Seanhub]

The LGBT community are trying to introduce pedophilia as a form of sexuality. Pedophilia is a disorder that you are sexually attracted to minors. It is sickening to think that people see these type of people as normal, although, some people feel sympathy for them and those very same people are attempting to use sympathy to sway your opinion into believing that these pedophiles who prey on children are suffering.
This is the only opening these sick people need to take advantage of. My view may be biased since I see myself as Republican, but, Liberalism is only pointing us into the direction of a world where anything you say will be offensive and soon enough lead us into a shit storm.
A YouTube channel named TheFuelProject made a video about this topic :
https://youtu.be/A8p5ijTfdPM

I agree with making pedophilia normal.

I disagree with making pedophilia normal.

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+1 y

I should probably add the correct definition of Hebephilia and Pedophilia. According to Wikipedia,
The definition of Pedophilia is being sexually attracted to children younger than 11.
The definition of Hebephilia is being sexually attracted to children 11 - 14 years old.

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+1 y

I agree. Maybe the laws should be altered slightly to provide reassurance to those who prevent crime from happening, because currently justifiable beatings are in a gray area due to the sway in public opinion.

[N192K001]

I think more precise use of terms would help us identify and address the problem (s) with the matter.

Which 'pedophilia' are we talking about here?
Clinical Pedophilia? That means the subjects of attraction are strictly prepubescent kids.
The layman's sloppy blanket-'pedophilia' label? This includes not only actual, clinical Pedophilia, but also Hebophilia (ages 11–14) and Ephebophilia (15-19)?

Now clinical pedophilia seems most serious, followed by hebophilia. With ephebophilia, I doubt that's too much of a problem, though I would consider it to be the jurisdiction's prerogative to define age of consent. Whatever the case, I think we should also take into account if the person is acting on it or practicing self-restraint.

Those who act on it should definitely answer to their crimes. Those who don't should not be villainized, but given some reasonable types/level of support to further keep their urges at bay.

[Seanhub]

Thank you for addressing the other categories of 'pedophilia', yes Ephebophilia isn't much of a problem as the more serious ones which are currently under the spotlight. I wouldn't mind being civilised and offering some of these people help, because quite possibly it could be an illness, but nothing less than an illness. Although in my opinion those who have already committed a crime should have a more harsher punishment than those who have attempted. Repeat offenders should be punished severely and those who attempted will be punished but will be offered help. The reason I would personally not offer help to those who have already committed the crime, is that they would have already developed a taste for it, and are far beyond help.

[N192K001]

You're welcome!

I would tend to agree with your line of reasoning. It was a good thing to distinguish attempted from completed, successful act. (My original stance neglected about that entirely.) I would be open to execution of repeat offenders, especially for offenses surpassing a certain number and/or level of severity, but only in jurisdictions with high enough forensic and judicial capacity. In lacking jurisdictions, I'm guessing a lifetime of manual labor to cover the costs of life-long imprisonment.

[Seanhub]

Possibly yes. The important thing is that people don't give Liberals another excuse to protect these pedophiles and hebephiles. Just in one of these comments I was replying to, someone wanted to murder a pedophile, but the current laws will still punish you on account of murder. But if you were to murder them it would only give Liberals another excuse. Which is similar to how Hitler gained publicity, from being thrown in jail, he was offered to speak in court, and he used this to his advantage to persuade many Germans across the country to join him.

[N192K001]

True, though that depends on the relevant laws.

In the Philippine Revised Penal Code, Article 247 (which legalizes the a spouse's assault & battery and/or murder of the adulterer and/or adulterous spouse) also extends to a seducer of an underage daughter and/or the seduced. So, it would not be murder, in that case.
www.chanrobles.com/...odeofthephilippinesbook2.htm
Personally, I would consider life-taking severe (unless the pedophile/hebephile was performing a violent rape), and would rather outsource this to law-enforcement via citizens' arrest (with a healthy dose of assault & battery) until the police arrive. Let them execute the offender (or provide rehabilitation, as required by law).

[N192K001]

Oops. I forgot to mention. Article 247 requires the the offenders to be caught "in the act or immediately thereafter" to be applicable.

[DevilsAdvocator]

It's only a logical extension of their mentality, and of the argument upon which the LGBTQ movement was founded in the first place. Namely, that "There's no such thing as a sexual disorder! there's nothing wrong, immoral or evil about sexual deviancy! All forms of sexuality should be accepted, and none should be criminalized, because those who deviate from sexual norms and from the traditional societal norms which we call "sexual morality" are the real victims! No forms of sexuality should ever be criminalized- sexuality isn't a crime! And if society condemns anyone's sexuality, and sexual identity, as being wrong, or perverse, or immoral, then SOCIETY has to be FORCED to change, because PROGRESS, and SEXUAL FREEDOM! We have to free all oppressed minorities from oppression by any SOCIETY which dares to ask them to CONFORM to its norms- it's NORMALITY that's EVIL! End sexual oppression!"

[Seanhub]

Interesting, I wouldn't have a complete disregard for illness, I could maybe sacrifice a smidget or sympathy for the illness, but not for the people. The LGBT community believe that the only thing that we need is love, which is just complete and utter bullshit. Getting to where we are has taken upon thousands of years of evolution and becoming the most predominant creatures on the planet. We have endured wars and battles from those many years of bloodshed. Wars we fought for good reason. Do you think we would've won World War 2 by hugging and letting Hitler continue with what he was doing? We are only alive because we fought for out survival.

[DevilsAdvocator]

And by the way, FYI, they aren't "trying to". It's been an integral part of the agenda of many of the LGBTQ movement's founding figures from the very beginning. For instance, Dr John Money, the man responsible for adding the 'T' to the movement, and legitimizing transgenderism. John Money was also vocal in endorsing the legitimacy of pedophilia- asserting that there was a difference between "affectional pedophilia" and "sadistic pedophilia", and that "affectional pedophilia" was about love and not sex. In his words: "If I were to see the case of a boy aged ten or eleven who's intensely erotically attracted toward a man in his twenties or thirties, if the relationship is totally mutual, and the bonding is genuinely totally mutual... then I would not call it pathological in any way." Money, and the LGBTQ movement, assert that pedophilia, like transgenderism, isn't a behavioral disorder, instead, it was heterosexuality that was the societal, and therefore superficial, ideological concept.

[DevilsAdvocator]

So this really isn't anything new. It's been an integral part of the LGBTQ agenda since the 1960's, at least. And according to their own official census figures, in their own claims, in order to inflate the LGTBQ group's size as a percentage of the population, they actually include pedophiles as the largest group under the 'Queer' umbrella- have done so for several decades.

[Seanhub]

In all sense, it isn't safe for children to be with somebody who is classed as a pedophile. Children are extremely susceptible to persuasion and believing whatever bullshit an adult tells them. Children of that age shouldn't be able to make a decision that could possibly ruin their lives. Because what if pedophiles were widely accepted and that they were allowed to stay alone with children, and then increases in cases of molestation and child rapists start appearing?

[Sixgun77]

Could not agree more with all of this.

[ninjafemme]

Pedos are sick in the head if you ask me they need to be put away far away from children. It's never going to be right for a child to be raped. It's even worse than an adult being raped because the kid knows nothing about sex.

[Seanhub]

Much aswell as their bodies are fragile, and these sick bastards take advantage of it.

[ninjafemme]

Yes correct they prey on the weak it's very sick. I honestly can't deal with these people I think I would kill them. And I don't think anyone knows how to deal with this... besides put them in prison.

[Seanhub]

It is true. Many people feel the same as you. But due to the society we live in, if somebody were to hurt or murder them we would be punished the same way if it were a normal human being. And further more, if somebody did murder a convicted pedophile or hebephile, I would predict they would ; suffer minor backlash from liberals, get praise from the public, but also give liberals another excuse as to protect these kind of monsters.

[ninjafemme]

True. But for me to accept this makes you just as much as responsible for the pedo raping an innocent victim... and it's mind blowing to me people can think of accepting this... it's just pedos trying to normalise pedophilia

[Seanhub]

When have I ever said that pedophiles should be accepted in society? I am in no way saying that they should be accepted in this society, I am only predicting what would happen if you were to murder them. Because due to the current laws, the punishment is still the same for murdering a pedophile than that of a human. Because the only thing that those people are concerned about is their public figure, thanks to these libtards.

[ninjafemme]

Im not saying you I'm saying the people who are pushing to accept this lol

[Seanhub]

Ah right, sorry I mis-understood that section, I thought you were referring to myself for being too lenient on murder working against our favour.

[ninjafemme]

Oh no I was just that's like a natural reaction but obviously you can't do that

[pepwave21]

This is made up. No true legit organization wants pedophiles to be a normal way of life. It is a way to bash the LGBT community to try to connect them to it. haha

[DevilsAdvocator]

Was this guy made up then? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Money He's the reason why transgenderism is a thing today; he's the guy who first proposed and developed several theories and related terminology, including 'gender identity', 'gender role', 'gender-identity/role', and 'lovemap', as well as coining the term 'paraphilia' to replace 'perversions' and introducing the term 'sexual orientation' in place of 'sexual preference', arguing that attraction wasn't necessarily a matter of free choice. And he also loudly endorsed pedophilia- or rather, as he fondly dubbed it, 'affectional pedophilia', to try and eliminate the stigma in the same way he had with transgenderism- as being "about love, not sex", "not a behavioral disorder", and "not pathological in any way"; taking the position, adopted by the LGBTQ community as a whole, that it's heterosexuality that's the societal, and therefore superficial, ideological concept.

[pepwave21]

@DevilsAdvocator Recognizing the disorder is different from stating that it should be normalized and accepted in societies. Transgender is accepted since it is about the individual identity and will not harm others. You are taking big leaps in your argument to think pedophiles will need to be accepted as just a disorder to be accepted. I doubt you are a parent and maybe cannot see the difference.

[Seanhub]

Whatever the situation, disorder or identity, it is a risk to children that shouldn't be left alone.

[pepwave21]

@Seanhub Yes :)

[madhatters4]

you can't say the LGBT community is trying to do something when you are talking about a few people

that's like if me and a few of my black friends said we should all eat babies and suggesting we are representative of black culture

[bubbatxman]

I think sex with anyone who hasn’t entered puberty should be a serious crime with severe punishments. Children are not sexual until the beginning of puberty. I think the age of consent should be 15 and not 17 in Texas, because too many men get accused of sexual assault, arguing that a person under the age of consent cannot give consent and are this rapists.

[Ram0n83]

Self-explanatory.

[Seanhub]

Not for some, 1 person seems to think pedophilia is acceptable.

[Metallsturm]

I remember calling it on GaG almost 8 years ago on my old account and plenty of folks told me that I'm using slippery slope fallacy.

Bestiality will come next. Bon appetit.

[dropkicknj13]

You shouldn't have put politics into the question, now your just gonna get a bunch of "huh? My side can't be the bad guys, it's you" lol

[yulbsari]

The supposition that the "LGBT" community is "normalising" pedophilia is completely ridiculous. If anything, the evidence shows that right-wing religious adherents are the ones practicing and promoting pedophilia as part of twisted religious teachings like child marriage, etc. The recent news of the investigation of Catholic priests in PA just proves the point even more...

[Viperkiss]

Huh? What a load of crap. There is less then ever before because of religion losing such popularity. And religious nuts tend to be right wingers.
Look at Roy Moore. The right did everything they could to ‘normalize’ and defend his actions and behaviour.
You need to know what your talking about before you make claims about things.

[Seanhub]

Stop trying to defend pedophiles/hebephiles, I'm trying to look at both sides of the paper.

[Viperkiss]

Do not accuse me of defending pedophiles. IN NO WAY HAVE I DONE SO.
Your clear attempt to accuse someone of something they clearly have not done with no evidence shows us exactly why you asked this question.
Your pathetic and sick!

[Seanhub]

You're categorising the people who defended that case as right wingers, just because of D. Trump, even then they were allegations, and the definition of an allegation is "a claim or assertion that someone has done something illegal or wrong, typically one made without proof" although he's likely not a pedophile, he may be a hebephile. And whether you side with Roy or not, it has nothing to do with being right wing, it is a personal choice, and personally I would have sided with no-one because I'm in Britain and I don't have all the information of that particular case.

[Seanhub]

Also religion is usually a separate matter, since there are so many in different areas of the world where it would be considered normal to have 7 wives and be married to a child, and also that it is followed in context from scriptures that are usually thousands of years old, which have been altered through the years because it is complete bullshit. I mean I am an atheist because I don't want to follow a book that has a God that commanded the execution of "both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass". And I don't want to shit on peoples religious beliefs but the Bible was probably just a novel that someone took too seriously.

[Gedaria]

I don't like the idea of it being normalised but its not that long ago we were asking this question about homosexuals...

[Stoner710]

I think for pedophiles we should bring back medieval executions devices like the bronze bull and the Iron Maiden that’s what I think of pedos

[Seanhub]

Maybe, if it were medieval times. But now in this society we aren't allowed to do that. We have to settle this issue through politics and gaining the publics favor.

[Stoner710]

Screw that pedos need to die. Swift death are to good for a swift death. How about this release them to the other prisoners and let the hole prison block know there crime the murders and rapest can have fun with them. If pedofiles are found you in prison they will be tortured and killed

[Seanhub]

So, you're asking for pedophiles to get the same treatment as all the other prisoners. Currently they get special treatment when and if they are given a sentence. One thing is that in most places, they get their own sort of cell block or even a whole prison system, so that other prisoners can't harm them. Prisoners didn't even need to be told about the reason in which somebody was put in jail for, they have many ways they can get the information, whether it be help from somebody outside the prison, or just plain brute force.

[Stoner710]

True. However I’d would respect a murders more then a child rapest. (Not that any of them are good) we need to eliminate pedofiles get rid of them all and stoke enough fear into the heart of thoughts who would touch a child.

For the record I’m not talking 18 with a 16 year old I’m talking 21+

[Seanhub]

I understand what you're getting at, and the only method that can make pedophiles think twice is deterrence, it's one of the main aims for prisons, and torture aswell. People can't just go around killing accused pedophiles though, for 1. your judgement may have been wrong, 2. it's illegal and 3. there's too many pedophiles for a handful of people to achieve that goal. The only people who would accept a vigilante like that would be the ones who aren't pedophiles, and the general public who share the concern, like you for example.

[Stoner710]

If we don’t release them from prison sure, they will live in fear there entire lives. Even mass murders and drug dealers hate this guys. I've talked to many criminal who were in prison for 20 years who say these guys are killed if there ever found out let hope they find out every single one of these mother fucker.

[blondfrog]

Some countries it certain forms it is sadly. This is why we need to get rid of transgenders too.

[Seanhub]

Some people may dislike what you're saying, but, I agree with your statement but only to a point. From what I know, or believe, there are 2 certain categories in transgenderism, the type of transgender people who are born with actual physical deformities, i. e a female growing a beard (hormonal) or a male growing female breasts (also hormonal). And the mental side where people believe that they are the opposite gender when physically their hormones show regular balance. The mental side, I believe should be removed as this is just a way for people to change into a different gender because they are not satisfied with their own.

[blondfrog]

I agree with you. The mental side of it is what's dangerous. I don't really have a problem with the physical aspect. I am aware that being androgynous isnt' that uncommon either. Also there are genetic disease like you mentioned. Another one being born a Hermaphrodite.

[asdfdude]

My view is that you should delete this immediately and stop posting bullshit propaganda that demonizes LGBT people, and then go to your room and rethink your life

[Seanhub]

Bullshit propaganda? I don't see any here.

[RedThread]

Uh this isn't true.

[Stripes99]

It’s sickening.