depends on the area. it a lot of places-this isn't a crazy number. in others, it is a lot for this sort of job. people need more than food, they need a place to live, healthcare, transportation, they have utilities to pay, maybe even kids, a phone to communicate with the world. it costs money to have these things and 7 and some change will NOT allow one person to have all these things-it's just impossible. No, you should not be working 40 hours a week and not be able to take care of yourself.
But should you have all of those costs when you are doing an entry level job meant for high school kids. Again, it's an entry level position and not a career move planned on sustaining a family. You're right, you should be able to take care of yourself, but how far is that really going?
@knightly they aren't meant for high school kids. I reject that. If they were meant for high school kids, these companies would only hire high school kids. There are thousands of mcdonalds in the US, there aren't enough high school kids in America to even fully service all of those-add in all the other hundreds of fast food chains-someone has to work these.
These companies are making millions and millions of dollars in profits (some companies make several billion in profit a year) the issue isn't with the job-it's with company greed. They will pay people crumbs because they can. Because they want to. Because it's legal.
Fair point, I concede that these jobs are not purely for high school students, but will not forfeit the fact that they are entry level positions into the workforce. However, these companies are not just comprised of burger flippers, they work on a much grander scale with offices and boards. Those people went to school to make a company far more money than someone flipping burgers. It comes down to skill and how much you can produce for a company. Yes, McDonald's wouldn't be anything without people at the stores, but that is a big hypothetical. This isn't on greed, this is someone being paid based on their skill set and competency to execute.
@knightly It's pay based on greed and the government not caring about its people over companies. Prices have increased in the US but pay has stayed very low. There is no way for someone to pay for rent, utilities, health insurance, a car, and food on even 10 dollars an hour.
I have a college degree and I don't think I'm better than someone twice my age working at McDonalds. Everyone deserves to be adequately paid for their services. Chump change, 7.25 or whatever else the minimum is in the more expensive states, is not being adequately paid...
Depends? Personally I work at Pizza Hut, which is the same concept, and I first hand no how crazy working in that envimoment can be. It depends on the area, but for what I do I don't expect $15/h. Maybe a little more than what I make now would be nice, but $15 is too much for a small town. Big city maybe it makes a little more sense.
The reality is, either the burger place pays $15 an hour, or we pay higher taxes, helping under paid workers get basic needs met. So, yes, $15 is a lot of money to pay a burger flipper, but either the burger place picks up the tab by paying them well, or we tax payers pick up the tab, because they aren't paid enough.
$15 per hour is plenty. If it's full time, that's triple what I need to live. I could do that and still put $12-14K per year in the bank.
As for the work itself, I'd have no problem flipping burgers. I'd much rather do that than a lot of other jobs.
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I've never worked im fast food but I've seen the horrors they deal with and haves friends who have. People bang on drive through windows, scream, throw stuff and spit at the workers. They already are working in a sweltering hot enviorment in the summer or freezing in drive through during winter. And dont get me started on fast food bathrooms... I don't know what this mentality is that you get to treat fast good workers like animals.
If they raise the minimum wage... McDonald’s can just hire highly skilled workers leaving low skilled workers without a job. That’s what I would do if I had a business and was forced to pay that much an hour.
Lol I remember all the hoopla. And when they won lol! After few days or month. All the lay-off and cashier was replaced by order machinery screens. Yeah. Now a burger place where a staff of 30 people dropped to 6-12. With a fast turnaround. Jobs like burger place was more designed as entree to the work world. But. Life is life.
If a burger joint decides that's what they want to pay their employees I genuinely do not care. Good for them. If it's a state mandate, then I take issue because now it effects everyone in varying degrees. How much money someone makes at a burger joint doesn't matter or effect anyone else. state mandate will.
They are shooting themselves in the foot. I can remember when they used to have the drink machine behind the counter and somebody filled your cup for you. Now you get an empty cup and do it yourself, because minimum wages already too high. They're already working on machines to flip burgers and fry fries. Soon there will be one guy in the store: to clean up. You'll talk your order into a machine, put your money in a slot, and it'll come out on a conveyor belt.
I don't get why people bitch one side of the coin or the other about this. Against it usually goes something like this "I have a college degree and i make 15 dollars an hr. so blah, blah, blah no. For it you can't live off minimum wage these people are humans beings just like you and me blah, blah, blah How bout we just let the market dictate.
@AgentDearestZ oh i totally agree. I didn't mean we need to get rid of the minimum wage. and if our elected officials think we even need to raise it fine. But nobody is forcing anyone to work anywhere. If you feel you're underpaid don't work there. Enough people take that attitude and the employer eventually has to re-assess their payrate. problem solved.
I am okay with it. The thing that really upsets me about this debate though, is that People are getting so hung up on the idea of $15 an hour, that they aren't asking the real important question. The important question, in my opinion at least, is why it is that people who are flipping burgers need that much in the first place! People shouldn't be flipping burgers to put their kid through college, or looking at those jobs for longer term careers in the first place.
Honest living? Fast food is meant to be an entry level job for high school students not a career for a parent of two. Just because they didn't have the same opportunities doesn't mean they should be getting paid the same as a college graduate entering their office job.
@Pink2000 I understand not everyone has the same opportunity as I already stated, but it doesn't mean that we should reward them equally. Going to college and getting an office job should not be paid the same as someone who didn't go through those tribulations. It is 8.25 where I am, and that is enough to support yourself, nothing lucrative, but that's because it's not meant to be lucrative!
@knightly do you not know how hard that is. I’ve worked fast food before and putting up with people shitty attitudes and working in a hot environment for $15 is much better than doing it for $7.25. Hell people have families to feed. You better stop thinking you’re better than them. Cause you aren’t. A job is a job.
@Pink2000 You act as if I never worked fast food. I have and I never wanted to again so I worked to go to school and get a better job. Saying working there for 15 instead of 7.25 is better but not necessary, again, this is not a career position! I've said again, if you're working in fast food you shouldn't be working in fast food as it's not meant to support multiple people. And you are wrong, a job is not a job. There are careers and then there are jobs. There are careers without going to college, but fast food isn't one. It's not about thinking I'm better than anyone, it's me understanding that this isn't a communist based economy that thinks everyone needs to be paid equally.
@knightly be glad you even had the opportunity to quit !!! Like damn since you worked fast food then you should know what it’s like. What the hell is someone supposed to do if they got a kid at home or they have to take care of a sick loved one? That’s my daddy had to do.
@Pink2000 now I get it. You're extremly biased on this topic, it's why you are defending that position so much. I've been on both sides viewing it from the economic impact it will do, not, what benefits me most in the short term.
@knightly I too have been on both sides I’m not biased. 😑. $7.25 an hour won’t even pay for college. Hell it’ll take at least two months pay to get one book.
@knightly that’s not bias. 😑. My father had to work in restaurants cause he had to take care of his mother. Now he has his own business and didn’t go to college until later on in life.
Yes, I'll just let someone who just entered college try to define bias to fit their point. Maybe after completing a year of college will you then realize the disparity 15 will do for the economy.
@knightly I have been in college for more than a year Thankyou very much. I’m already a sophomore. All o can say is I hope you’re never down on your luck cause $7.25 isn’t shit.
I would at least know why I would be getting paid 7.25, because you still don't seem to understand the economic impact it will make. Hint, it's not positive.
It's a livable wage. You're not gonna live a glamorous or luxurious life, but you can live off it, even with multiple people, though it's not their job to support bad decisions like having kids when you're not financially ready. I worked in fast food, and I supported my little brothers with it, it wasn't great, it was actually really stressful, but it gave me the ambition to strive for certifications or better paying jobs. It's not these companies jobs to support people who pop out kids without being ready. Minimum wage is livable, it isn't meant to support a family. And it shouldn't because if people want better pay, they should improve their skills and values to employers to justify a higher pay.
@BuchitaBuchys In today’s world where things are expensive as hell $7.25 is nothing. The only way you can live off minimum wage is by barely making it. You’d have to have some other type of assistance.
You can make it, it won't be comfortable, I've already addressed that, but it's possible. With assistance you can get more, but it's doable without assistance as well.
Minimum wage isn't based solely on federal wage. It's also what the state and cities decide. In Chicago, it's pretty expensive living here and our min wage is $13/hr. Also, Oklahoma has a low wage because it's cheap living there. Very few places are 1500. I was looking to rent there, and I found places for like $500, $600. That's why the minimum wage is so low, y'all don't need much.
Again, its not gonna be glamorous or luxurious. Beggars can't be choosers and utilities won't be more than $300 for a single person. I can guarantee that.
You are missing the point that @BuchitaBuchys is laying out. Working at these jobs shouldn't be able to sustain you for a life of luxury or in a mansion; it is solely meant to give you the basics, hence, why it's an entry level position for the work force.
It is you who is looking at luxury bills! That is enough for a single person in an apartment with a roommate, after bills! You keep having this notion as if McDonald's should pay all of them to live in a life of luxury!
@knightly but I’m not talking about a single person. !!! Damn people have children to feed and families to take care of. Can you not get that through your thick skull !!!
I'm talking about single people. Minimum wage isn't meant to sustain a family. It's not their fault that people are irresponsible and have kids when they're not financially ready. For a single person, it's enough. You want to care for your family? Get skills, certifications, a trade, or even the dreaded college degree to make yourself more valuable as an employee to justify a pay increase.
It's not business owners jobs to support people who can't keep their legs close or use birth control when they know they're poor. Yes, you could say "well, what about those who were well off when they had kids but then fell through hard times? Emergencies happen!" Those people are rare, most poor people reproduce like rabbits while in poverty.
@knightly thank you. Minimum wage is just for very basics for one person. I don't know why people don't understand that.
@BuchitaBuchys so what is a kid in highschool supposed to do who has to come home to no water and electricity with a young sibling to feed but his check is only so much cause he’s still in highschool? Cause stuff like that is very very common
It's not very common to have children solely responsible for their siblings. That's actually pretty rare. I had to take care of my younger brothers while in high school but I was unique in that situation and it's pretty rare.
In that case, their parents should be responsible and contribute so that responsibility wouldn't be placed on the unfortunate older children. It all boils down to parents being responsible and having children when they're financially ready only. Otherwise, use birth control, abstain from sex if they're uncomfortable using birth control etc. I feel that a lot of people, especially and unfortunately minorities take child rearing very lightly and think it's ok to have kids when you're on min wage. It isn't. We need to drill the idea that kids are fucking expensive and it shouldn't be the norm to support them off welfare.
@BuchitaBuchys oh no honey it’s very common. I don’t know where you come from but it is. You can’t say parents being responsible cause the parents are most like strung out on drugs somewhere. So like I said how the hell is a kid supposed to do all that on $7.25 an hour?
It's not common. I'm from Chicago, the poor side. And I've moved around a lot. I never met a single person who had to solely raise their siblings. In fact, the numbers are on my side. There's about 325 mil people in the US. And only about 140,000 are raised by siblings, which means it's about.04%, not even 1 percent, not even half of a percent. Yes I can. Strung out, druggie parents are worse and extremely irresponsible, they should definitely not have kids. They should not have had kids in the first place. Go on birth control, abstain from sex etc.
And if those high schoolers are having such a hard time, which is understandable, they should be placed in foster care so more responsible and caring people can properly care for them. I had to solely support my younger brothers and I was also in foster, so don't say I don't know what I'm talking about.
@BuchitaBuchys apparently you don’t cause it’s more common than you think. I saw it all the time In highschool. Hell you’d think you’d be able to understand but you obviously don’t. $7.25 is nothing. And I stand by that. If you don’t think it should be raised to $15 then okay. That’s your opinion. I still say raise it to $15 😊. Especially here cause rent is increasing.
The facts don't favor your comment. Here's a source content.time.com/.../0,9171,108827,00.html, list yours if you feel so confident that it's more than.04%. If you're so confident that it's common for siblings solely, not working part time to help parents but SOLELY raising younger siblings, list your sources that back up your claim. I listed mine, it's extremely uncommon nationwide.
I don't believe it's anyone's responsibility to raise families for irresponsible people, no. I think min wage is fine as it is.
@BuchitaBuchys the people I know who struggle just take it to school on time cause they’re at home taking care of their siblings. Oh and the people who’s only meal is the meal they get at school. Oh shit I forgot about the ones who don’t even have transportation to get to school cause they can’t afford to put gas in the car cause they had to use their little hard earned money to keep the lights on cause their sorry ass parents couldn’t do it. I honestly don’t care about your sources. It’s sad. It really is. I volunteer at the homeless shelter every week and I see the same thing. If someone could survive on $7.25 then there shouldn’t be any homeless people cause there’s a fast food joint on every corner. :)
You dont care about sources because none will back up your claims. Lol And if those kids are struggling that hard, their parents are irresponsible and they should be taken away from them. They should be placed in foster homes until the parents are financially ready to sustain their kids.
Anecdotal evidence is rarely used to back up claims on their own. You need more than that to prove a point. There are no sources that show that in the US, siblings raising siblings is common, because it isn't.
No, take the younger siblings that the 18yr old is caring for into foster. Then the 18yr old can sustain him or herself on min wage as a single person, because it is doable.
@BuchitaBuchys why the hell would I need to prove a point to YOU. you came on my opinion trying to prove YOUR point. When I go to the homeless shelter I’ll ask them why didn’t they just go work at McDonald’s so they wouldn’t be at the shelter.
It's not just me. you're proving it to the OP, since YOU came to HIS question and your point isn't being made since it's wrong. Again, no sources, weak argument. You know that no source will back up your claim that siblings taking care of siblings is common. However, even if it were, that doesn't mean the wage should be raised. It means that the children should be taken away from irresponsible parents.
@BuchitaBuchys I don’t need to make a point. It’s my opinion. I see it everyday. If $7.25 was enough to survive on then there should be no homeless people in Oklahoma. Periodt.
It's ok but keep in mind. the more a company must pay it's employees. the less employees they are willing to hire. The more work an employee must do.. If they do rite the same number, then the more the burger will cost.
Labor is s big expense. Companies want to keep their profits up. If labor costs more than something else must be cut.
Pure stupidity. The job is simply not worth that much, and business owners will instead speed up automation and eliminate those positions. This is what you get when imbeciles who know nothing about what it takes to run a business stick their ignorant noses in.
Ok, that's NZD$23.28. Minimum wage here is $16.50 and the living wage is $20.20 so that's A LOT higher than a lot of people with little to no experience get paid
Sure, they'll be fired soon and replaced with robots but whatever float their boats. Boats that won't float for long. The most basic job paid more than most, what an insult to those who actually work their asses off to get something better. Not to mention that a wage raise means a price raise. You think Mc D will just pay them out of their pockets? Nope, they'll lower their product quality to pay it less, and raise the price to pay the new wage. And get some money from it.
Of course, I've always wanted my 1/8" pattys of greasy horse meat to cost $8 a piece. Its gonna make everything much more affordable when nobody else gets a matching raise and suddenly half of the country makes minimum wage.
Yes. It sounds like a fairly good base to guarantee people enough money to survive and not be taken advantage off by businesses because they are not able to do better.
Yes minimum wage here is 7 something an hour and as someone who used to work there and now knows what its like to live on your own that is a very good wage
Yeah, because burger companies are making more than enough to still have a profit. Minimum wage was already raised to $12 an hour in my area and guess what? Prices didn't sky rocket and communists didn't take over.
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depends on the area. it a lot of places-this isn't a crazy number. in others, it is a lot for this sort of job.
people need more than food, they need a place to live, healthcare, transportation, they have utilities to pay, maybe even kids, a phone to communicate with the world. it costs money to have these things and 7 and some change will NOT allow one person to have all these things-it's just impossible. No, you should not be working 40 hours a week and not be able to take care of yourself.
But should you have all of those costs when you are doing an entry level job meant for high school kids. Again, it's an entry level position and not a career move planned on sustaining a family. You're right, you should be able to take care of yourself, but how far is that really going?
@knightly they aren't meant for high school kids. I reject that. If they were meant for high school kids, these companies would only hire high school kids. There are thousands of mcdonalds in the US, there aren't enough high school kids in America to even fully service all of those-add in all the other hundreds of fast food chains-someone has to work these.
These companies are making millions and millions of dollars in profits (some companies make several billion in profit a year) the issue isn't with the job-it's with company greed. They will pay people crumbs because they can. Because they want to. Because it's legal.
Fair point, I concede that these jobs are not purely for high school students, but will not forfeit the fact that they are entry level positions into the workforce. However, these companies are not just comprised of burger flippers, they work on a much grander scale with offices and boards. Those people went to school to make a company far more money than someone flipping burgers. It comes down to skill and how much you can produce for a company. Yes, McDonald's wouldn't be anything without people at the stores, but that is a big hypothetical. This isn't on greed, this is someone being paid based on their skill set and competency to execute.
@knightly It's pay based on greed and the government not caring about its people over companies. Prices have increased in the US but pay has stayed very low. There is no way for someone to pay for rent, utilities, health insurance, a car, and food on even 10 dollars an hour.
I have a college degree and I don't think I'm better than someone twice my age working at McDonalds. Everyone deserves to be adequately paid for their services. Chump change, 7.25 or whatever else the minimum is in the more expensive states, is not being adequately paid...
Depends? Personally I work at Pizza Hut, which is the same concept, and I first hand no how crazy working in that envimoment can be. It depends on the area, but for what I do I don't expect $15/h. Maybe a little more than what I make now would be nice, but $15 is too much for a small town. Big city maybe it makes a little more sense.
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The reality is, either the burger place pays $15 an hour, or we pay higher taxes, helping under paid workers get basic needs met. So, yes, $15 is a lot of money to pay a burger flipper, but either the burger place picks up the tab by paying them well, or we tax payers pick up the tab, because they aren't paid enough.
$15 per hour is plenty. If it's full time, that's triple what I need to live. I could do that and still put $12-14K per year in the bank.
As for the work itself, I'd have no problem flipping burgers. I'd much rather do that than a lot of other jobs.
I've never worked im fast food but I've seen the horrors they deal with and haves friends who have. People bang on drive through windows, scream, throw stuff and spit at the workers. They already are working in a sweltering hot enviorment in the summer or freezing in drive through during winter. And dont get me started on fast food bathrooms... I don't know what this mentality is that you get to treat fast good workers like animals.
If they raise the minimum wage... McDonald’s can just hire highly skilled workers leaving low skilled workers without a job. That’s what I would do if I had a business and was forced to pay that much an hour.
@Rissyanne the workers they have usually are plenty skilled
Sorry but I don’t agree with that
@Rissyanne I've sern you on this site plenty of times, you dont agree with anything
Lol I remember all the hoopla. And when they won lol! After few days or month. All the lay-off and cashier was replaced by order machinery screens. Yeah. Now a burger place where a staff of 30 people dropped to 6-12. With a fast turnaround. Jobs like burger place was more designed as entree to the work world. But. Life is life.
If a burger joint decides that's what they want to pay their employees I genuinely do not care. Good for them. If it's a state mandate, then I take issue because now it effects everyone in varying degrees. How much money someone makes at a burger joint doesn't matter or effect anyone else. state mandate will.
They are shooting themselves in the foot. I can remember when they used to have the drink machine behind the counter and somebody filled your cup for you. Now you get an empty cup and do it yourself, because minimum wages already too high. They're already working on machines to flip burgers and fry fries. Soon there will be one guy in the store: to clean up. You'll talk your order into a machine, put your money in a slot, and it'll come out on a conveyor belt.
That's the future and it unavoidable. I don't believe it's due to wage demands. Maybe that's accelerated it a bit
I don't get why people bitch one side of the coin or the other about this.
Against it usually goes something like this "I have a college degree and i make 15 dollars an hr. so blah, blah, blah no.
For it you can't live off minimum wage these people are humans beings just like you and me blah, blah, blah
How bout we just let the market dictate.
The market would have people work slave wages like 7/h. There's a reason there are laws that made there be a minimum.
@AgentDearestZ oh i totally agree. I didn't mean we need to get rid of the minimum wage. and if our elected officials think we even need to raise it fine. But nobody is forcing anyone to work anywhere. If you feel you're underpaid don't work there. Enough people take that attitude and the employer eventually has to re-assess their payrate. problem solved.
I am okay with it. The thing that really upsets me about this debate though, is that People are getting so hung up on the idea of $15 an hour, that they aren't asking the real important question. The important question, in my opinion at least, is why it is that people who are flipping burgers need that much in the first place! People shouldn't be flipping burgers to put their kid through college, or looking at those jobs for longer term careers in the first place.
This is potentially 2400 dollars in a month or roughly $28k in a year *IF* you work full-time like I do (40 hours/week).
That's still more than I make as a software tester with my associates degree -_-
I think this price is fair. Students gotta start working somewhere sooner or later, right?
What’s wrong with them getting paid more? Not everyone has the same opportunity as you and I. at least they’re trying to make an honest living.
Getting paid more, sure, but I still think that is too much. Speaking from the POV of someone who works in the food industry.
Honest living? Fast food is meant to be an entry level job for high school students not a career for a parent of two. Just because they didn't have the same opportunities doesn't mean they should be getting paid the same as a college graduate entering their office job.
@AlienChickk if you live in a state where rent is $1500 a month to live in a shack. $15 still isn’t enough
@knightly not everyone has the same damn opportunity. Do you not realize people have to do what they have to do. College is expensive as hell.
Fair enough, I live in a small town where the cost of living isn't super expensive. I guess I was stating from my POV and expierence.
@Pink2000 I understand not everyone has the same opportunity as I already stated, but it doesn't mean that we should reward them equally. Going to college and getting an office job should not be paid the same as someone who didn't go through those tribulations. It is 8.25 where I am, and that is enough to support yourself, nothing lucrative, but that's because it's not meant to be lucrative!
@knightly do you not know how hard that is. I’ve worked fast food before and putting up with people shitty attitudes and working in a hot environment for $15 is much better than doing it for $7.25. Hell people have families to feed. You better stop thinking you’re better than them. Cause you aren’t. A job is a job.
@AlienChickk well it’d be different if rent was $300 and a sack of potatoes
@Pink2000 You act as if I never worked fast food. I have and I never wanted to again so I worked to go to school and get a better job. Saying working there for 15 instead of 7.25 is better but not necessary, again, this is not a career position! I've said again, if you're working in fast food you shouldn't be working in fast food as it's not meant to support multiple people. And you are wrong, a job is not a job. There are careers and then there are jobs. There are careers without going to college, but fast food isn't one. It's not about thinking I'm better than anyone, it's me understanding that this isn't a communist based economy that thinks everyone needs to be paid equally.
@knightly be glad you even had the opportunity to quit !!! Like damn since you worked fast food then you should know what it’s like. What the hell is someone supposed to do if they got a kid at home or they have to take care of a sick loved one? That’s my daddy had to do.
@Pink2000 now I get it. You're extremly biased on this topic, it's why you are defending that position so much. I've been on both sides viewing it from the economic impact it will do, not, what benefits me most in the short term.
@knightly I too have been on both sides I’m not biased. 😑. $7.25 an hour won’t even pay for college. Hell it’ll take at least two months pay to get one book.
You literally just mentioned your bias by bringing up your father, so you really can't say you're not.
@knightly that’s not bias. 😑. My father had to work in restaurants cause he had to take care of his mother. Now he has his own business and didn’t go to college until later on in life.
Yes, I'll just let someone who just entered college try to define bias to fit their point. Maybe after completing a year of college will you then realize the disparity 15 will do for the economy.
@knightly I have been in college for more than a year Thankyou very much. I’m already a sophomore. All o can say is I hope you’re never down on your luck cause $7.25 isn’t shit.
I would at least know why I would be getting paid 7.25, because you still don't seem to understand the economic impact it will make. Hint, it's not positive.
It's a livable wage. You're not gonna live a glamorous or luxurious life, but you can live off it, even with multiple people, though it's not their job to support bad decisions like having kids when you're not financially ready. I worked in fast food, and I supported my little brothers with it, it wasn't great, it was actually really stressful, but it gave me the ambition to strive for certifications or better paying jobs.
It's not these companies jobs to support people who pop out kids without being ready. Minimum wage is livable, it isn't meant to support a family. And it shouldn't because if people want better pay, they should improve their skills and values to employers to justify a higher pay.
@BuchitaBuchys In today’s world where things are expensive as hell $7.25 is nothing. The only way you can live off minimum wage is by barely making it. You’d have to have some other type of assistance.
You can make it, it won't be comfortable, I've already addressed that, but it's possible. With assistance you can get more, but it's doable without assistance as well.
@BuchitaBuchys so if you live in a state where your rent is $1500 plus all the other bills and necessities you can make it on $7.25 ?
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Where do you live that minimum wage is $7.25hr? Where i am in has not been that that low in about 10 years.
@MysteriousDarkness Oklahoma
Minimum wage isn't based solely on federal wage. It's also what the state and cities decide. In Chicago, it's pretty expensive living here and our min wage is $13/hr.
Also, Oklahoma has a low wage because it's cheap living there. Very few places are 1500. I was looking to rent there, and I found places for like $500, $600. That's why the minimum wage is so low, y'all don't need much.
@BuchitaBuchys what place did you find for $500 $600 😂
There are many
www.zillow.com/.../
Again, it's not the best living arrangement, but it's livable
@BuchitaBuchys 500 sq ft my goodness that’s too small. Plus you gotta think of utilities
Again, its not gonna be glamorous or luxurious. Beggars can't be choosers and utilities won't be more than $300 for a single person. I can guarantee that.
@BuchitaBuchys I wouldn’t wanna live on that side of town either.
You are missing the point that @BuchitaBuchys is laying out. Working at these jobs shouldn't be able to sustain you for a life of luxury or in a mansion; it is solely meant to give you the basics, hence, why it's an entry level position for the work force.
@knightly $7.25 won’t even get you the basics
7.25 for 40 hours a week gets you about 1100 before taxes in a month. That is very clearly enough for the basics.
@knightly Bills people !!!
It is you who is looking at luxury bills! That is enough for a single person in an apartment with a roommate, after bills! You keep having this notion as if McDonald's should pay all of them to live in a life of luxury!
@knightly but I’m not talking about a single person. !!! Damn people have children to feed and families to take care of. Can you not get that through your thick skull !!!
I'm talking about single people. Minimum wage isn't meant to sustain a family. It's not their fault that people are irresponsible and have kids when they're not financially ready.
For a single person, it's enough. You want to care for your family? Get skills, certifications, a trade, or even the dreaded college degree to make yourself more valuable as an employee to justify a pay increase.
It's not business owners jobs to support people who can't keep their legs close or use birth control when they know they're poor.
Yes, you could say "well, what about those who were well off when they had kids but then fell through hard times? Emergencies happen!" Those people are rare, most poor people reproduce like rabbits while in poverty.
@knightly thank you. Minimum wage is just for very basics for one person. I don't know why people don't understand that.
@BuchitaBuchys so what is a kid in highschool supposed to do who has to come home to no water and electricity with a young sibling to feed but his check is only so much cause he’s still in highschool? Cause stuff like that is very very common
It's not very common to have children solely responsible for their siblings. That's actually pretty rare. I had to take care of my younger brothers while in high school but I was unique in that situation and it's pretty rare.
In that case, their parents should be responsible and contribute so that responsibility wouldn't be placed on the unfortunate older children.
It all boils down to parents being responsible and having children when they're financially ready only. Otherwise, use birth control, abstain from sex if they're uncomfortable using birth control etc. I feel that a lot of people, especially and unfortunately minorities take child rearing very lightly and think it's ok to have kids when you're on min wage. It isn't. We need to drill the idea that kids are fucking expensive and it shouldn't be the norm to support them off welfare.
@BuchitaBuchys oh no honey it’s very common. I don’t know where you come from but it is. You can’t say parents being responsible cause the parents are most like strung out on drugs somewhere. So like I said how the hell is a kid supposed to do all that on $7.25 an hour?
It's not common. I'm from Chicago, the poor side. And I've moved around a lot. I never met a single person who had to solely raise their siblings. In fact, the numbers are on my side. There's about 325 mil people in the US. And only about 140,000 are raised by siblings, which means it's about.04%, not even 1 percent, not even half of a percent.
Yes I can. Strung out, druggie parents are worse and extremely irresponsible, they should definitely not have kids. They should not have had kids in the first place. Go on birth control, abstain from sex etc.
And if those high schoolers are having such a hard time, which is understandable, they should be placed in foster care so more responsible and caring people can properly care for them. I had to solely support my younger brothers and I was also in foster, so don't say I don't know what I'm talking about.
@BuchitaBuchys apparently you don’t cause it’s more common than you think. I saw it all the time In highschool. Hell you’d think you’d be able to understand but you obviously don’t. $7.25 is nothing. And I stand by that. If you don’t think it should be raised to $15 then okay. That’s your opinion. I still say raise it to $15 😊. Especially here cause rent is increasing.
The facts don't favor your comment. Here's a source content.time.com/.../0,9171,108827,00.html, list yours if you feel so confident that it's more than.04%. If you're so confident that it's common for siblings solely, not working part time to help parents but SOLELY raising younger siblings, list your sources that back up your claim. I listed mine, it's extremely uncommon nationwide.
I don't believe it's anyone's responsibility to raise families for irresponsible people, no. I think min wage is fine as it is.
@BuchitaBuchys the people I know who struggle just take it to school on time cause they’re at home taking care of their siblings. Oh and the people who’s only meal is the meal they get at school. Oh shit I forgot about the ones who don’t even have transportation to get to school cause they can’t afford to put gas in the car cause they had to use their little hard earned money to keep the lights on cause their sorry ass parents couldn’t do it. I honestly don’t care about your sources. It’s sad. It really is. I volunteer at the homeless shelter every week and I see the same thing. If someone could survive on $7.25 then there shouldn’t be any homeless people cause there’s a fast food joint on every corner. :)
You dont care about sources because none will back up your claims. Lol
And if those kids are struggling that hard, their parents are irresponsible and they should be taken away from them. They should be placed in foster homes until the parents are financially ready to sustain their kids.
@BuchitaBuchys so an 18 year old should go to foster care? I don’t need sources to back up my claims. All I have to do is look around.
Anecdotal evidence is rarely used to back up claims on their own. You need more than that to prove a point. There are no sources that show that in the US, siblings raising siblings is common, because it isn't.
No, take the younger siblings that the 18yr old is caring for into foster. Then the 18yr old can sustain him or herself on min wage as a single person, because it is doable.
@BuchitaBuchys why the hell would I need to prove a point to YOU. you came on my opinion trying to prove YOUR point. When I go to the homeless shelter I’ll ask them why didn’t they just go work at McDonald’s so they wouldn’t be at the shelter.
It's not just me. you're proving it to the OP, since YOU came to HIS question and your point isn't being made since it's wrong. Again, no sources, weak argument. You know that no source will back up your claim that siblings taking care of siblings is common.
However, even if it were, that doesn't mean the wage should be raised. It means that the children should be taken away from irresponsible parents.
@BuchitaBuchys I don’t need to make a point. It’s my opinion. I see it everyday. If $7.25 was enough to survive on then there should be no homeless people in Oklahoma. Periodt.
Opinions aren't facts. And your opinion isn't even based on facts either. Period.
@BuchitaBuchys it is cause I said it is. I stated my opinion on a question I was invited to. If you don’t like it then you can gtfo somewhere else. 😊
It's ok but keep in mind. the more a company must pay it's employees. the less employees they are willing to hire. The more work an employee must do..
If they do rite the same number, then the more the burger will cost.
Labor is s big expense. Companies want to keep their profits up. If labor costs more than something else must be cut.
Pure stupidity. The job is simply not worth that much, and business owners will instead speed up automation and eliminate those positions. This is what you get when imbeciles who know nothing about what it takes to run a business stick their ignorant noses in.
Ok, that's NZD$23.28. Minimum wage here is $16.50 and the living wage is $20.20 so that's A LOT higher than a lot of people with little to no experience get paid
minimum wage in Belgium= 1801.26 USD/month (converted from 1562.59 €)
@jacquesvol What is that per hour?
The $16.50 and @0.20 are in NZD by the way
* $20.20
Before taxes, of course
Sure, they'll be fired soon and replaced with robots but whatever float their boats.
Boats that won't float for long. The most basic job paid more than most, what an insult to those who actually work their asses off to get something better.
Not to mention that a wage raise means a price raise. You think Mc D will just pay them out of their pockets? Nope, they'll lower their product quality to pay it less, and raise the price to pay the new wage. And get some money from it.
Of course, I've always wanted my 1/8" pattys of greasy horse meat to cost $8 a piece. Its gonna make everything much more affordable when nobody else gets a matching raise and suddenly half of the country makes minimum wage.
Yes. It sounds like a fairly good base to guarantee people enough money to survive and not be taken advantage off by businesses because they are not able to do better.
Yes minimum wage here is 7 something an hour and as someone who used to work there and now knows what its like to live on your own that is a very good wage
Yeah, because burger companies are making more than enough to still have a profit. Minimum wage was already raised to $12 an hour in my area and guess what? Prices didn't sky rocket and communists didn't take over.