@Syrian_survivor I knew a Muslim family. They drugged their daughter and made her sign a marriage certificate. She didn’t want to marry a man she had only met once. That’s barbaric
@Rissyanne and I knew a Christian family who used their daughter as a sex toy, raped her, and sold her body around against their will, she eventually got HIV and died at the age of 17 What's your point? -_-
@Syrian_survivor dude you must be one of them insane Muslims. Everyone knows Islam is a violent religion. Are you afraid you are going to have to start treating women better?
@Rissyanne I've studied Islam all my life and it's not a violent religion Don't throw me those verses and tell me "Look here they're ordering you to kill people" Study Islam first, you'll know that it's a religion of love and peace Then come to me so I can have a logical mature discussion with you And I treat womem better than any atheist or Christian does, so you can drop that dumb assumption
Stop assuming and using pointless insults, you're just proving how childish your mind still is
@Syrian_survivor "people like her are everywhere, and they're toxic All they do is spread hate with their ignorance"
The problem is see with that is she sounds like she formed an opinion based on information and correlations she's observed. Maybe she is wrong, but to me people should be able to form opinions others don't agree with even if it offends others. We are at a time where people are not allowed to have opinions based on data they've processed if the outcome is offensive so we have to lie and live in a phony world. This is because of bigotry and personal attack reactions like you just made to her.
Also, you don't know her to claim she is toxic. That is ignorant as well. And she doesn't only spread hate: more ignorance.
Some people justify not allowing women and LGBT+ the same rights as everyone else in Islam's name. The religion has also been used as an excuse to do violence and war, but Christianity and other religions aren't very different. The crusade, Spanish inquisition, the persecution of Protestants and Catholics etc. are things done in Christianity's name.
@cavmanier She didn't back up what she said with evidence
If she wasn't toxic, she would at least give a more reasonable answer with explanation, not "bad things happen in Muslim countries so Muslims are shit" At least I'm only talking about her, not a whole religion, and I actually have a reason to say what I said
A girl spreads hate for no reason, no matter on how small or big of a scale I'll assume she's a bad person, I just say what I see
If she actually had a point, I would have had a civilized discussion about it But when the only thing she says encourages more bad than good, then sorry 🤷
@Syrian_survivor, she may think something that don't apply to everyone (stereotypes) and have other opinions than you, but that don't mean she's a bad person or have bad intentions. She may have good intentions and believe what she's saying is right. She may also think her opinions are good and correct. So disagreeing don't mean that person you're disagreeing with is bad. That's oversimplifying.
I'm for instance disagree with Donald Trump, but do that mean he's a bad person? No. I may think his opinions don't always make sense and that someone else should be the president. But Trump may still truly believe he's doing the right thing and what's best for the people in the US. Same thing may apply to Rissyanne. Not everyone can have the same opinions.
I'm against abortions because I believe it's the best thing for the children, but people are disagree with me because they think supporting it would be the best for the mothers.
@curiousnorway I probably disagree with many of your values as well, it's natural, but I don't care about any of that and I respect you as a person Because your different thoughts and opinions do more good than harm, you're self-concious and open to having a good learning debate
But when have stereotypes been ever good? I understand she thinks in a different way and has a different opinion, I completely respect that, but the idea of feeding the flames of hate is disgusting to me, especially when the hate speech isn't productive or educating in any way other than targetting innocent people and encouraging conflict
These little things do matter and do make a change, a change for the worse
@Syrian_survivor Maybe she doesn't want to have a discussion. I can see why you are upset, but I still think she gets to have her opinion. Well she used a correlation as evidence. Sometimes they can be persuasive. Lots of "studies" are based on correlation. Here in the west we have seen a lot of terrible things from Islam. You would probably agree that about 1/3 of the sect of Islam is pretty trash. Not everyone has experienced the good part.
I'll say, the limited Muslim people I've know have been great. I met a guy from Afghanistan here in California. He served in the Afghan Army as an interpreter for US troops, and he was a great guy. I talked to him for hours and couldn't stop. He had great traditional values i m o.
For example, if @Riss talked and stated her opinion rather than setting it as a fact, I would be completely chill with her, talk her through it to understand her point of view, and try fixing it for her if it was incorrect, maybe I can learn a thing or two too, maybe I would actually realize I'm wrong in specific things But the way people like her "discuss" is just unproductive
@cavmanier I agree, maybe even 2/3 of people who claim they are Muslims are trash But that doesn't mean the religion is trash, it's just the people, the laws, the governments they were stomped by in their homeland, bad traditions that have nothing to do with the religion, and many other factors
A religion shouldn't be correlated with its members
Yeah here in the west for most of our history we have been able to have free speech. We can say pretty much whatever ridiculous crap we want. Go onto google and type "idiot" and click on the images, and you'll see all pictures of Trump
which is likely illegal in places like China or Iran. We allow white supremacists to have public parades as well as skanky feminists too : p The reason we have that is because of civil liberty, but it's also important because it's hard to know who is right. If we silence people, their ideas are blocked from benefiting society. We can eye roll the dumb ideas 🙄 but occasional new ones may lead to progress. Without this, black people would not have been able to march for equal rights, nor women. We'd be stuck into a totalitarian type of system, lacking innovation.
That's true I guess everything has its pros and cons, but I think it's gone out of control these days
For example, most Arab people are silenced to voice their opinions That's why most of them suffer from extreme poverty
While the USA is drowning in money, because they were able to voice their opinions, but it's gotten out of hand and it's starting to target innocent people more and more, like feminists reporting false sexual harassement claims and such, tearing society apart
@Syrian_survivor I think the 1/3 to 2/3 of people is what she's talking about. I don't know enough about Islam to claim it's bad which is why I never comment on this.
She could've said "most", generalizing is always a bad thing
Like I said, I think 2/3 of people who claim to be Muslim are shit, I live between them and they do nothing Islam tells them to do Always fighting, spreading rumors, backstabbing each other, spreading hate, basically doing the exact opposite of what the religion says, because I studied all of it, and erased the doubts I had like many people here have as well
But exclude extremists like ISIS and Nusra and such, each culture and religion has its extremists and they don't count xD
@Syrian_survivor There is a pendulum swinging of young liberal millennials not supporting free speech. They classify things that hurt their feelings as hate speech.
Arab people can be very intelligent. I think you all invented algebra lol. I'm pretty sure they are hamstrung by dictators. The economic structure doesn't have opportunity.
Well the thing is in the west people often complain and make a huge deal out of things that are fairly small in the scope of the world. I was just watching the UK brexit parlament debates and everything is so dramatic. The reality is that our differences aren't that big.
@Syrian_survivor See I've meet Muslims that have told me exactly what you just did. Not everyone has though. Like I said though, I don't know enough about the religion to know who's right. Regardless, there's a lot of bad intertwined with the religion, even if it wasn't Allah's desire. This happens to many groups though. That's why it's better to reserve judgement until you really know.
You know, that is a good point. If all Americans' were Christian, the collective behavior wouldn't represent Christianities intent. The middle east just has a crazy war history that Islam gets responsibility for. It's like a quarterback gets blame for a team losing lol.
Our differences are big in national structure but not between us people Bring a poor Arab to a ghetto in the US and he will be walking on air But bring a rich US citizen to a 3rd world country and he will prefer if he had a heart attack in the plane before he arrived lmao That's why money doesn't bring happiness, it depends on the person haha
And yeah Arabs were thriving back in the old old days, they were leading in most scientific and literature domains But once they started straying from what they were taught from Islam, they crumbled down to their state today
I'm not being biased, Islam is a good religion but media hates it xD💔
Yeah exactly! Like I don't judge Budhists, even though they attacked and mass-murdered nearby Muslim villages, that's stupid
The people are the problem, not the religion itself People are greedy, they prefer conflict for more personal gain, some find religion as a good way for that as it leads masses of people, like when Christian pastors use church money for strip clubs and their own weird desires that are "forbidden" lol
@Rissyanne So I'm an insane Muslim? Last time I checked the statement: "the Muslim religion is a violent one. They treat women like dogs." Is False lot's of Muslim Men have the anger of a lot of other people that are Christian, etc.. But to say/assume they are a practicing Muslim is not good. Real Muslim Men are not insane to do things as ISIS would. The things you think of are more in culture. Good Muslim Men treat us women with respect. A thing to remember is most Muslim majority countries are NOT Islamic Even Saudi Arabia
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This is why each culture should look after itself. Thats not such a bad thing.
That's their culture.
Not all cultures are good.
Oh god Please save that girl child.
Couldn't care less tbh
none of my business
Atrocious
That’s so messed up
Muslims
What?
Everything bad happens in Muslim countries
Expect
Albania
Kosovo
Turkey
You do know Islam has nothing to do with this right?
Anon, you should really not blame Muslims. Bad things happen all over the world. And not because of Muslims every time.
@11110000bbbb people like her are everywhere, and they're toxic
All they do is spread hate with their ignorance
It's sad and funny lol
@Syrian_survivor I knew a Muslim family. They drugged their daughter and made her sign a marriage certificate. She didn’t want to marry a man she had only met once. That’s barbaric
@Rissyanne and I knew a Christian family who used their daughter as a sex toy, raped her, and sold her body around against their will, she eventually got HIV and died at the age of 17
What's your point? -_-
@Syrian_survivor the Muslim religion is a violent one. They treat women like dogs.
@Syrian_survivor if those people were caught they would be prosecuted. These Muslims I knew wasn’t.
@Rissyanne
Do your research and know what you're talking about before you spit out shit Fox News has taught you
@Rissyanne yeah that's a government issue, not a religion one
Stop assuming shit and like I said, you don't have ground to stand on
@Syrian_survivor dude you must be one of them insane Muslims. Everyone knows Islam is a violent religion. Are you afraid you are going to have to start treating women better?
You need to grow a brain and stop believing in Islam
@Rissyanne I've studied Islam all my life and it's not a violent religion
Don't throw me those verses and tell me "Look here they're ordering you to kill people"
Study Islam first, you'll know that it's a religion of love and peace
Then come to me so I can have a logical mature discussion with you
And I treat womem better than any atheist or Christian does, so you can drop that dumb assumption
Stop assuming and using pointless insults, you're just proving how childish your mind still is
@Syrian_survivor
"people like her are everywhere, and they're toxic
All they do is spread hate with their ignorance"
The problem is see with that is she sounds like she formed an opinion based on information and correlations she's observed. Maybe she is wrong, but to me people should be able to form opinions others don't agree with even if it offends others. We are at a time where people are not allowed to have opinions based on data they've processed if the outcome is offensive so we have to lie and live in a phony world. This is because of bigotry and personal attack reactions like you just made to her.
Also, you don't know her to claim she is toxic. That is ignorant as well. And she doesn't only spread hate: more ignorance.
Some people justify not allowing women and LGBT+ the same rights as everyone else in Islam's name. The religion has also been used as an excuse to do violence and war, but Christianity and other religions aren't very different. The crusade, Spanish inquisition, the persecution of Protestants and Catholics etc. are things done in Christianity's name.
@cavmanier
She didn't back up what she said with evidence
If she wasn't toxic, she would at least give a more reasonable answer with explanation, not "bad things happen in Muslim countries so Muslims are shit"
At least I'm only talking about her, not a whole religion, and I actually have a reason to say what I said
A girl spreads hate for no reason, no matter on how small or big of a scale
I'll assume she's a bad person, I just say what I see
If she actually had a point, I would have had a civilized discussion about it
But when the only thing she says encourages more bad than good, then sorry 🤷
@Syrian_survivor, she may think something that don't apply to everyone (stereotypes) and have other opinions than you, but that don't mean she's a bad person or have bad intentions. She may have good intentions and believe what she's saying is right. She may also think her opinions are good and correct. So disagreeing don't mean that person you're disagreeing with is bad. That's oversimplifying.
I'm for instance disagree with Donald Trump, but do that mean he's a bad person? No. I may think his opinions don't always make sense and that someone else should be the president. But Trump may still truly believe he's doing the right thing and what's best for the people in the US. Same thing may apply to Rissyanne. Not everyone can have the same opinions.
I'm against abortions because I believe it's the best thing for the children, but people are disagree with me because they think supporting it would be the best for the mothers.
@curiousnorway I probably disagree with many of your values as well, it's natural, but I don't care about any of that and I respect you as a person
Because your different thoughts and opinions do more good than harm, you're self-concious and open to having a good learning debate
But when have stereotypes been ever good? I understand she thinks in a different way and has a different opinion, I completely respect that, but the idea of feeding the flames of hate is disgusting to me, especially when the hate speech isn't productive or educating in any way other than targetting innocent people and encouraging conflict
These little things do matter and do make a change, a change for the worse
@Syrian_survivor Maybe she doesn't want to have a discussion. I can see why you are upset, but I still think she gets to have her opinion. Well she used a correlation as evidence. Sometimes they can be persuasive. Lots of "studies" are based on correlation. Here in the west we have seen a lot of terrible things from Islam. You would probably agree that about 1/3 of the sect of Islam is pretty trash. Not everyone has experienced the good part.
I'll say, the limited Muslim people I've know have been great. I met a guy from Afghanistan here in California. He served in the Afghan Army as an interpreter for US troops, and he was a great guy. I talked to him for hours and couldn't stop. He had great traditional values i m o.
For example, if @Riss talked and stated her opinion rather than setting it as a fact, I would be completely chill with her, talk her through it to understand her point of view, and try fixing it for her if it was incorrect, maybe I can learn a thing or two too, maybe I would actually realize I'm wrong in specific things
But the way people like her "discuss" is just unproductive
@cavmanier I agree, maybe even 2/3 of people who claim they are Muslims are trash
But that doesn't mean the religion is trash, it's just the people, the laws, the governments they were stomped by in their homeland, bad traditions that have nothing to do with the religion, and many other factors
A religion shouldn't be correlated with its members
Yeah here in the west for most of our history we have been able to have free speech. We can say pretty much whatever ridiculous crap we want. Go onto google and type "idiot" and click on the images, and you'll see all pictures of Trump
www.google.com/search
which is likely illegal in places like China or Iran. We allow white supremacists to have public parades as well as skanky feminists too : p The reason we have that is because of civil liberty, but it's also important because it's hard to know who is right. If we silence people, their ideas are blocked from benefiting society. We can eye roll the dumb ideas 🙄 but occasional new ones may lead to progress. Without this, black people would not have been able to march for equal rights, nor women. We'd be stuck into a totalitarian type of system, lacking innovation.
That's true
I guess everything has its pros and cons, but I think it's gone out of control these days
For example, most Arab people are silenced to voice their opinions
That's why most of them suffer from extreme poverty
While the USA is drowning in money, because they were able to voice their opinions, but it's gotten out of hand and it's starting to target innocent people more and more, like feminists reporting false sexual harassement claims and such, tearing society apart
There doesn't seem to be a medium solution haha
@Syrian_survivor I think the 1/3 to 2/3 of people is what she's talking about. I don't know enough about Islam to claim it's bad which is why I never comment on this.
We have shitty Christians here as well. This is maybe the worst group.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqYiK2diqTo
I guess at least they aren't killing people lol. It gets pretty crazy in the middle east.
She could've said "most", generalizing is always a bad thing
Like I said, I think 2/3 of people who claim to be Muslim are shit, I live between them and they do nothing Islam tells them to do
Always fighting, spreading rumors, backstabbing each other, spreading hate, basically doing the exact opposite of what the religion says, because I studied all of it, and erased the doubts I had like many people here have as well
But exclude extremists like ISIS and Nusra and such, each culture and religion has its extremists and they don't count xD
@Syrian_survivor There is a pendulum swinging of young liberal millennials not supporting free speech. They classify things that hurt their feelings as hate speech.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgJXenaPYlM
Arab people can be very intelligent. I think you all invented algebra lol. I'm pretty sure they are hamstrung by dictators. The economic structure doesn't have opportunity.
Well the thing is in the west people often complain and make a huge deal out of things that are fairly small in the scope of the world. I was just watching the UK brexit parlament debates and everything is so dramatic. The reality is that our differences aren't that big.
@Syrian_survivor See I've meet Muslims that have told me exactly what you just did. Not everyone has though. Like I said though, I don't know enough about the religion to know who's right. Regardless, there's a lot of bad intertwined with the religion, even if it wasn't Allah's desire. This happens to many groups though. That's why it's better to reserve judgement until you really know.
You know, that is a good point. If all Americans' were Christian, the collective behavior wouldn't represent Christianities intent. The middle east just has a crazy war history that Islam gets responsibility for. It's like a quarterback gets blame for a team losing lol.
Our differences are big in national structure but not between us people
Bring a poor Arab to a ghetto in the US and he will be walking on air
But bring a rich US citizen to a 3rd world country and he will prefer if he had a heart attack in the plane before he arrived lmao
That's why money doesn't bring happiness, it depends on the person haha
And yeah Arabs were thriving back in the old old days, they were leading in most scientific and literature domains
But once they started straying from what they were taught from Islam, they crumbled down to their state today
I'm not being biased, Islam is a good religion but media hates it xD💔
Yeah exactly! Like I don't judge Budhists, even though they attacked and mass-murdered nearby Muslim villages, that's stupid
The people are the problem, not the religion itself
People are greedy, they prefer conflict for more personal gain, some find religion as a good way for that as it leads masses of people, like when Christian pastors use church money for strip clubs and their own weird desires that are "forbidden" lol
@Syrian_survivor dude you are clearly brainwashed
@Rissyanne So I'm an insane Muslim?
Last time I checked the statement:
"the Muslim religion is a violent one. They treat women like dogs."
Is False lot's of Muslim Men have the anger of a lot of other people that are Christian, etc..
But to say/assume they are a practicing Muslim is not good.
Real Muslim Men are not insane to do things as ISIS would.
The things you think of are more in culture.
Good Muslim Men treat us women with respect.
A thing to remember is most Muslim majority countries are NOT Islamic Even Saudi Arabia
Treat women with respect?
Muslims?
Oh please
Yup, such mature conversation these two girls are initiating
I like how@11110000bbbb is the youngest here yet the most reasonable and intelligent, keep it up hun
@Anonymous
Yes, Muslim men treat me with respect.
The only Guys who don't Follow very wrong views about Islam.
and @Syrian_survivor ty
who follow*
Like ISIS
What "like ISIS"? Do you think they are Muslims?
No, they are a cult like group.
In their flag is written
Allah is great
just because someone says something does it mean they believe it? NO
Several ISIS members have admitted they joined because of the money.
And how does Muslims men deal with women who don't respect them?
I'll talk to them about it
If they don't listen, I'll just leave because I wanna be respected as much as I respect her
@11110000bbbb I know you believe they treat you with respect. You have to... your life depends on it.
@Rissyanne Nope not really.
Sme respect me and some don't that's just that.
True Muslims respect women that's what im saying
@11110000bbbb can you answer my question please?
Anonymous.
It depends on who.
What
Good Muslim Men should deal with those situations calmly.
Treat others
How they treat you
No matter the gender
so if a woman yells at her husband ur saying it's okay for him to get angry and yell back instead of saying calmly?
Yell back
@Rissyanne Pretty sure you aren't 53 years. Now go cry in the corner you moron.
@Vegeta01 you are hilarious