A 22-year-old woman says she was asked to leave her gym in Konstanz, Germany, because her clothes were too “revealing” and were “confusing the men.” Marny tweeted a photo of the “revealing” outfit showing that she was wearing a crop top that showed a few inches of skin.
She explained that a female gym employee came up to her while she was on the treadmill and told her she “she couldn’t train like this.” Not knowing what she was referring to, Marny said she just looked at the woman in confusion. The woman then told her it was against gym policy for women to work out in only a sports bra and for men to work out in tank tops, adding that her top was “distracting” other gym-goers.
“I was shocked, because it wasn’t a sports bra. And even if it was, why not?” “I felt like I had been thrown back into the 1800s,” she told the Evening Standard. Marny, however, tweeted that she didn’t want to call out the gym by name because it’s a small, local business.
“My one goal was for people to actually see that these things still happen today and that it’s important to pay attention to that,” she wrote.
She does plan to cancel her membership, though.
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22-year-old woman kicked out of gym over 'revealing' crop top that 'distracted' men. Opinions?
It's a bit rich to come from a woman, aren't they usually the ones complaining about men coming onto them while they are in the gym or the street etc, if then she expects to be treated fairly she herself has to behave with a certain level of respect for those men who are also using the gym I personally think that the men were right to bring it up as an issue. I mean you can't complain your getting hit on by men and then complain that you aren't when they stop or complain that you get hit on for what you wear but then complain when you wear something that other find distracting.
I highly doubt that photo you posted is similar to the outfit she was wearing generating a bias in your voting poll. I mean I'm all for women who want to wear revealing clothing, I do like it but there should be some form of standards that exist in public. Imagine how it would feel for the uglier women at the gym when all the men are just eye f*cking and continuously staring at THOT.
Women wears revealing clothing. Asked to cover up or leave. Pikachu Meme.
Well I don't think that outfit was revealing, but I am use to going to yoga where (some) of the woman do dress like complete sluts and there is no dress code. (I love going to yoga lol). Again it is in the gyms right to have a dress code, and she would have signed the documents saying she knew and accepted their terms. In my opinion that outfit should have been acceptable.
I don't find that a good reason to kick somebody from a gym, sport clothes are usually revealing. Or at least they are if what that girl is wearing is considered revealing (I don't think so).
However what is revealing or not is cultural. We should know who's running the gym and their cultural background to understand better. In the end I don't find it reasonable from my culture but the business has the right to set their own rules, and the girl and other clients have the right to stop giving them money if they feel uncomfortable with those rules.
I feel like she would or should have been aware of the policy before she signed up to the gym. Sounds lile a jealous female customer complained or maybe a bitch employee of the gym.
Men can learn how to deal with seeing women in public. They can. Nothing about a woman's clothes means that the man has an excuse to say the woman was doing something to them. Men are in charge of their own eyeballs.
Actually not the case. Sometimes the eyes just go there especially if you are caught off guard and you don't have time to make conscious effort to resist the urge to watch. It's like if you hear loud noise, you are not making decision to watch, your reaction is to watch. Or if someone throws something at you, your reaction is to raise your hand to block, you couldn't have chosen to do otherwise.
I'm not saying women shouldn't dress revealing at all, just pointing out that it's not that simple as "men are in charge of their own eyeballs"
And also.. even when you are resisting to watch, that itself is distracting because you have to focus on not watching. Let's say there is a place where men has to be highly focused, and you make a naked woman walk in there. Those men will lose their focus either by watching or by trying their hardest not to watch and focus on what they are doing. They are not responsible for losing their focus.
Guys, no one is talking about a momentary glance here. That is a bullshit characterization of the issue, you know it's bullshit, you bring it up on purpose to derail the discussion, and you need to go shove it up your ass next time to think of derailing a conversation about how women are treated in this world.
What we are really talking about is this.
It is not decent to ask women to change themselves to keep men from behaving inappropriately toward us. For one thing, it doesn't actually work. And another thing is, it's not our fucking job to make you act decent at the gym. That's YOUR job. It will always be your job. That's just the truth.
I am going to let you in on a little secret. I looooove seeing sexy people and sexy things out in the world. Isn't is a pleasure to catch something and get a little electric thrill out of it? Of course it's a pleasure. It's supposed to be a pleasure, to encourage humans to procreate. But there is such a totally huge difference between how men and women deal with this experience (typically, of course not universally so let's not go down that rabbit hole either.)
You see a sexy girl on a treadmill, look a little, have a warm feeling. Think about it later. Go home and masturbate to it. Totally do that. That is not just ok, it's actually something our bodies are meant to do. What you need to stop doing is going up to the front desk and crying "that evil temptress with a visible rectangle of skin made me have a tingle and I don't like that. Make her stop." And you need to stop seeing our bodies as an invitation for you to make us notice whatever sexual thing is going on in you head. So learn how to fucking contain yourself, and not make it something we have to stop and pay attention to all the time. It's like a symbolic unsolicited dick pic. Why you think you get to make me see that without my consent? Do you get it now?
Was that reply to my comment? If it was then you didn't read it.
I said: "I'm not saying women shouldn't dress revealing at all, just pointing out that it's not that simple as "men are in charge of their own eyeballs""
@Soremain Kids, I don't really fucking care if you "take it" or not.
It's still the truth. I am not wrong. I am pretty sure you both know I am not wrong, and I am not going to try to keep getting men to understand and see my point when you are deadset on deflecting, denying and lying about what is an entirely clear observable reality.
I didn't say that, you reply to wrong person. All commented was your statement: "Men are in charge of their own eyeballs." And I said it's not that simple. I'm a man, you are a woman, I'm in the position of telling how men's eyeballs work more than you. Why would I comment on it if I knew you are right? Again I'm not saying women should be blamed for it, I don't, I like it, go walk naked everywhere, I'm not complaining, I just have to be extra careful when driving because I'll have to admit I'd get distracted a bit, but I'll get used to it. You completely misunderstand what I say. But I guess it's not even about it right? You are 46 year old influencer, you cannot be corrected by a "kid"? Is that what it is?
@Soremain It was actually to both of you, in general, about the nature of these discussions. Not really trying to nail you specifically. I didn't see that I did the @ thing with your screen name.
And for good measure, I am also bisexual, so yes, I am aware of what it is to be attracted to women, find them sexy in public, and look at them. But I was taught to exercise self control in public, and not make women or men or other people feel my inner ttohought imposed upon them in a way they don't like.
Do not ever fucking tell me you can't help it, and you don't know the difference between catching a glace and leering. You do know. You're not that stupid.
No one is asking you to feel guilty about experiencing sexual attraction. No one has really ever asked that besides like, your church, to be honest.
What we are asking is to have you mind how you choose to respond to that feeling in yourself. You actually can choose not to go lay it at that woman's feet. You can decide not to oogle, or do it in a way that she is not made aware of it, and the rest of the world doesn't notice it. You can decide not to approach women with unwelcome sexual comments. You can. And you can also decide not to support policing women's clothes instead of policing the men who decide not to be decent in public.
The reason men don't do these things is that they actually want it to be ok to be fuckheads toward women, to constantly assert their erroneous idea that they are dominant or superior.
That sound to me like their problem.
I'm just done participating in the shared societal delusion about that.
I get it. My point was not about this topics in general since I was not even aware this was a bigger issue. And I'm definitely not saying women shouldn't be allowed to dress "revealing", it's ridiculous what happened to this girl. The other guy commenting to you might have a problem with girls dressing revealing, or maybe I misunderstood, but I have no problem with it. I was purely commenting on the "mechanics of attention" not how women should dress.
@Soremain well yeah but honestly, your mechanics of attention argument is problematic too because the issue isn't a momentary dumb look on a guy's face when his eyes happen to land on something he finds appealing. The issue is that men want to pretend that when they were leering, on purpose, it was just an involuntary happenstance of where there eyeballs we're pointed. And they want to characterize the issue this way because they just want uppity women to stop complaining about sexualized behavior they find unwelcome and uncomfortable and just be submissive and let men do whatever pleases them because men were all taught that they have some sort of entitlement to demanding women like things they don't like.
And I have wasted just too much breath trying to gently and politely get people to understand the erroneous assumptions they are basing their opinions on. I'm just going to call out what's true, because honestly, a lot of them already know it's true, and quit dickering about it. The people of this planet have had plenty of time to move from innocently misinformed to recognizing reality, and I am seeing that so many people who espouse these ideas know damn well they are presenting lies in order to make it easier and more comfortable to simply be shitty to people who are still marginalized and vulnerable to abuse.
I appreciate that you are approaching me with something you thought was a legitimate factor, and I am not attacking you for it. I'm just telling you that the people who fabricated that argument knew it wasn't actually the issue in question, and it was an attempt to draw people into an argument about something fatuous to distract from the real agenda.
Here's the agenda. People who hold more power than others do want to hold on to their power. That's natural. But unethical despotic people want to hold on to that power so they can force other people to just lie down in the road and let themselves be trampled without the hassle of a fight.
By the questions on GAG men will look no matter what you wear. Frankly that is what some women want them to do in my opinion. But unless this girl changed into another top before her video was made, I don't see a thing wrong with what she was wearing.
@EclipseoftheHeart YEP> you have uncovered a truism. It is almost never actually about wearing revealing clothing. Because in the countries where total modesty is forced upon women, the sexual abuse is totally rampant, and often much more devastating than what would happen in the US.
And here's the other deal. Even if some women welcome the leering and what not because they get a thrill out of it, you still can't do it to every woman you see, because you didn't ask what her preference was, and now you have pretty good reason to suggest that she doesn't consent to being treated that way. Maybe sometimes a woman will consent, but you have to ASK. You can't just do it and say "well, she was dressed like she wanted it so I did it." That's NOT consent. Clothing is NEVER consent. Not ever. Stop telling yourself that lie to make it seem ok for you to be a rapey fuckhead.
@YHL6965 Oh, totally. I don't let a lily waver or a catcaller ruin my day. But that shit is still wrong because we don't push genitals or sexual aggression on people in the country.
But, my hand, my arm, my leg, the nape of my neck, a flash of my belly, my long hair, my face - those aren't sex organs.
Look, I am bisexual. I love women. I live in So Cal and am a nudist. I suffered silently in gym class when "she" walked by. And I am even very sexually aggressive in appropriate settings. But I still know that I am not somehow instilled with more self control when a woman is covered, or less of it when she is naked.
How men act toward our bodies is because of years of socialization to see us as only objects, not people, and all the men can't control themselves/women must modest noise is just an elaborate subterfuge to never admit what the truth is. Men CAN control themselves, they just don't wanna, and maybe kind of don't think they have to because beneath all that virginity worship, and slut shaming - boy children in many cultures (because we see it with our own eyes) continue to be socialized that the world is theirs, women are theirs, stuff is theirs, money is theirs and it's just out there for a bold man to take it. It's a story we see in practically every culture we have any recorded record of. And that false narrative that anyone is the better person and gets to have the goodies, and anyone who is not that kind of better person deserves to suffer...
I think you are a bit over representing men who can't control themselves. Most men I have met in my life can control themselves and behave like decent human beings. Maybe it's because Americans behave differently than us French.
However, I can understand and respect women'sfrustration towards men that can't control themselves, especially towards those that blame women for that (like muslims under shariah law do for example).
It's soooo pervasive that it permeates our culture in so many ways we can't even barely see it for what it is, it just blends in.
So, I know I am calling out men on this one, but it's not because men are bad and something biological about them means they are awful. It's not YOU. It's your version of the lie we are all fed. You just happen to be physically bigger, so this is the lie you got fed.
You are not biologically incapable of having self control around women. Our skin is not a magnet. It's just some of you believe you get to have every woman you like because we aren't perceived as fully human anymore. And all of these ways that it comes down to you blaming us. Ultimately the real issue is. You want sex. You want to have it without asking. You want it to be easy, and great. I don't even blame you for that. But, that's not reality. That's a lie you were told. You have self-control. And yes, you really do always have to make sure you have permission to initiate the sex/flirt/relationship mode. And you have to keep always getting consent, every time, maybe forever, but you will probably also find that when the woman feels respected, and you treat each other well, both of you give each other the go ahead for more and more touch and closeness without asking. But here's the easy thing to remember. If you didn't ask, or you asked a coerced, intimidated, maybe drunk person, the answer is NO. It's always been no. It will always be no. I can't make that different for you guys.
That's just what it fucking boils down to.
Now, if you want to know how you can incorporate suave consent getting into your groove, and get all the happy, engaging, sexually open, awesome, fantastic lovers you could ever want. or just a few. Or just that one special one that you marry as a virgin and have 17 babies with, I can totally teach you how to do that. And a respected, deeply loved woman who feels positive about sex, and free to say yes or no is an awesome lover.
Again, I know and understand all of this, just like most men. The amount of men who don't understand that is minimal. You sound like the men who blame all women for extreme feminist views. Or maybe American men are acting like primates, but that would be a surprise to me.
But you have GOT to stop slut shaming. It makes every woman feel shitty about expressing themselves sexually, virgin or wild woman, makes no difference. All made to feel shitty. And then when you want to have great awesome sex with a woman at whatever you perceive as the right time, you can only find uptight, uninterested, women, who you might marry, and you might demand sex from, but she stops wanting it and stuff because she is never really allowed to even figure out what she might want, let alone ask for it.
And stop acting like you can be promiscuous and also demand a virgin to marry. That's a paradox. That's not reality. You can't always have it both ways all the time. Because - that fucks it all the fuck up so that no one ever gets the really good sex that can be had.
You think I am hatin'. I'm NOT. You guys are also not getting the richness and joy you deserve either.
And I don't think this is because men are bad. Or men are all bad. Or there is something organically evil about men. You were lied to. These weren't your rights to begin with. That isn't your fault. We don't want to give you shitty lives. We just wanna be treated right so we can all have the best, happiest lives.
@YHL6965 I have repeated over and over that is NOT that. This is not all men are bad. This is not all men are shit. It has NEVER meant that. Never. Stpe trying to turn it into that. That is your deeply ingrained and first deflection technique to keep blowing this discussion off course.
We watch how men are socialized. We watch how our husbands raise our sons, how our fathers raised our brothers. How our neighbor boy's dad raises them. It's not invisible. We know it's there. You know it's there. Stop trying to tell us we don't see what we see. And we see the system that recruits even our very own mothers to raise us. And we watch how pervasive societal message raise everyone. It's not a mystery. We're not hallucinating.
It has never been all men. But it's still enough men that it's still much more likely for a woman to be sexually misused than a man. And men do it to each other too. And to children.
Of course, yes it goes the otherway too, and I am entirely glad to discuss that elsewhere because it's also not ok.
But you fucking stop this false narrative you spin because we are on to you. Everyone sees it.
You know how many men think. You grew up with them. One's your cousin. There were three guys you knew from high school who raped a girl. You hear it in locker rooms, and pool halls, and board rooms, and from the pulpits of our holiest churches.
Stop making the rest of us pretend we don't see it to keep you happy.
Be better. All of you. Influence each other to change the script in your heads.
Don't tell us it's not your job. The rest of us who suffer from these mindsets have been screaming from the high hills for 2000 years, louder and louder and louder, and raising our kids right, and community building, and grassrooting and every way victims of oppressive systems ever do.
Nudists are all perverts. And I don't want to talk with excessively open minded moral less retards. Also you're a bloody feminist. Using fancy words huge passages, you're saved because I can't speak English nicely. Otherwise I would have replied the same way.
I never asked anyone to wear Burka or hijab or similar things. I never asked then to stop wearing clothes of their choice.
I said, choose your clothes within certain boundaries.
You can choose colour design type and style of clothes.
@Q-tipBoy Go eat fucking shit. You just did what I said you all do. You read it, you got mad at it, you called me a slut, you proved me right. You make this so fucking easy.
Your rhetoric is bullshit. It's a lie. We all see it.
@Q-tipBoy Yes, we're angry, because you liars have been mindfucking this country for decades and fucking us over. That makes people mad, dumbass. We tried asking for our rights nicely. That never works. We're still not wrong.
@Q-tipBoy Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Son, you're a tiny weak little pissant. You think I fucking care anymore what you idiots say or think? You're a goddamn liar and your politics are breaking this planet and I already escaped your bullshit long before this. Now I just get to laugh and watch you burn.
I am a bigger man than you'll ever be and more woman than you could ever handle.
Whenever I hear a story like this and it sounds absolutely ridiculous, I think "It's possible that an owner acted on an absurd manner but it is more likely that there are other details which are not being reported." SO. . . what's the rest of the story?
1) Don't drag sexism into this - it says distracts GYM GOERS, not men. In fact, it is discriminating against men too. You'll understand the distinction in a minute.
2) There is actually an entire gym chain in the US operating under these same principles by the name of Planet Fitness. PF "gyms" have what is called a "lunk alarm" - basically, the idea is that if you annoy others by dressing in a way that makes other gym goers feel shit about their disgusting body, or slam weights, or make noise during lifts, you get kickes out without a refund. The problem is that the point is not to help those that feel shit about their body - it is to cash in on people l's subscriptions who don't actually go there BECAUSE they arr lazy pieces of shit, because surprise - the gym equipment wears down from use. So if you lift, or look even remotely like you lift, you get kicked out. Jujimufu and Brian Shaw did a grear video about it - took them about 20 minutes to get kicked out for no reason.
This is not sexism, this is far worse - this is pandering to useless, unmotivated people, and feeding into their mediocrity, and in exchange draining their wallets.
Regardless, I don't think she shoukd have been kicked out. I think gyms should allow anything short of underwear, as long as you don't intentionally annoy people or endanger them. I for one like to lift shirtless sometimes because some movements are restricted by clothing. But of course I can't do that in a gym. Fell, fuck that noise.
She should have put on something else or have been provided a t-shirt by the gym. I feel that when she joined the gym she would have been or should have been made aware of a dress code, for instance a gym I swim at has a strict bathing suit policy that only allows basic modest bathing suits with no bikinis or anything to revealing. This policy or the fact that this woman got kicked out likely has nothing to do with men at all more like an over zealous female employee of the gym took it upon herself or a jealous female customer complained.
We all know that she's going to the gym to just shake her ass. She just doesn't tell the whole story. The fact alone that she was kicked out for that very reason and the returned home to show the entire WORLD how sexy she is, proves what an attention whore she is. Women will always display their sexual assets to as many people as possible and the complain about being treated as sex objects. Truth is they all like it. They are sex objects and want to be treated as such. -Let's go to the gym -Heeeey guuuuuys! Look at meeee! I have great ass! And a cute faaaaace! And nice booobs! And sexy leeeegs! Can you see? Why don't you look at me? Stop working out!
ehhh, i was with her until: "I was shocked, because it wasn’t a sports bra. And even if it was, why not?” It's dress code, that's why not. point blank period. if you go against the rules of the gym, it's fair. i dont think she shouldve been kicked out bc it was not a sports bra, but i don't think she should condemn the dress code of a gym she chose to join...
The policy includes men not wearing tanks. And women crops/ sports bras. The gym has the right to make those policies. If someone doesn't like it, they don't have to have a membership there. Nothing is being forced on them, it's their choice, and the gyms right.
Well, that is also true to a certain extent. But, sometimes rules like this that sound fair and neutral are actually based in very outdated and incorrect ideas that are still onerously oppressive to a marginalized group, and then people need to start shouting from the high heavens that the practice represents something uncontrollable that was dressed up to seem more neutral and fair than they actually are.
And in some ways dress code rules are really a statement that "we don't quite know how we can identify and kick out JUST the people who come to the gym and use exposed skin as an excuse to claim their sexual incursions on other people are caused by something other than their own lack of self-control and feelings of entitlement".
@MlleCake Or maybe we should not. Because not all people like exposing skin and seeing others. So if some people have a sense of modesty, they can go to this gym without offense. Not every rule and law needs to be changed so EVERYONE likes it. Because not everyone is going to like it, ever. I support the individual rights, and a private gym has those rights. If someone went to gym where I don't know naked yoga was a option, and got offended by the nudity, would you agree that the gym needs to change? Or would you say that the offended should find a new gym? The same works with this. This girl Marny even recognizes that the gym has this right. Otherwise she would have pitched a fit that made news at the gym, and exposed the name of the establishment.
I think one problem is she looks like she is 15 years old and might be getting sexual attention and offers from 25 year olds or 40 year olds. Most news reports make up stuff to make money with little regard for truth. I'm sure they altered the value of the story by leaving out essential details.
I see nothing "revealing" about her outfit. 😕 Looks like typical gym attire to me. People are so fucking uppity and stupid. I bet the bitch that kicked her out was overweight and ugly and was jealous lol
Seems responsible. My gym has a similar policy that was part of the gym agreement I signed up for when I joined. Men can't walk around topless either like in other gyms. You also have to wear proper foot wear, bring a towel and clean any wipe down any machine you use.
I don’t think she should have been kicked out, that looks like a typical work out outfit to me. And I think the rule that girls can’t work out in sports bras and guys can’t wear tank tops is kinda really stupid. When people work out, they get really hot, and when they get really hot, they sweat. In other cases I would never advocate for wearing minimal clothing, but in a gym setting it’s appropriate.
I mean it is a family owned gym - if you don't like their rules then don't go. But people should be able to keep their eyes to themselves otherwise leggings should be banned too because they show too much butt or maybe let's just go back to complete body coverage at all times.
They had dress codes for men too in the gym right? So what’s wrong with that? It’s a dress code.
Note: NO, she wasn’t dressed in a slutty or revealing way. And the gym should not have told her that. But they still have the right to have their own dress code.
Why would they? She can cancel the membership but they don’t need to refund her money unless she was the only one who was kicked out if others were breaking the dress code.
If it were my gym I wouldn’t care how people came to do exercise unless they’re naked. I’d definitely kick them out in that case.
"She can. She just can’t in those clothes." She didn't work out though. She was kicked out. If she didn't have other clothes, than she couldn't work out. She should get her money back. Don't be daft.
When you get a subscription in a gym, they give you a contract. In the contract, they lay out the rules and the terms of agreement for you. Whether you decide to read them or not is your own problem.
Membership doesn't always mean the same thing. In Europe we have places where membership grants you discounts for certain offers, but doesn't actually give you free stuff, and you have to buy an additional monthly subscription. I can't know for sure. I know for a fact that there are two such gyms in my immediate vicinity.
This type of business always lets their customers know about their rules and regulations. The bottom line is, she should have followed them. If she didn’t read them or didn’t follow them? Her problem. End of story.
"So, does that mean they don’t give contracts in one of these types of gyms, Benedek?" Correct. You get membership discounts, but generally you pay for fix, short intervals. I have never seen an annual pass for example. It's usually a ticket you pay for that lets you enter for a month, or it is done via RFID cards. Either way, you pay in person, every month, and there are no contracts involved.
"This type of business always lets their customers know about their rules and regulations." Except these rules are usually pretty loosely defined. It's mostly "dress appropriately" or some shit. I have been told that I can't work out because some guy didn't believe my shoes were clean. I told him to fuck off, and took off my shoes, but other times I used the same shoes, and nobody complained. Again, this woman was probably kicked out because some customer who didn't like her complained. It is not uncommon, I have seen such things myself.
"If she didn’t read them or didn’t follow them? Her problem." If it was a monthly or daily pass, she should get a refund. If it was a membership, like in the US, she should cancel it, and have it repaid. That's how cancelling things work. No matter hoe many times you repeat "end of story", you will still be wrong.
You’re already under the impression that this woman wasn’t subscribed to this gym, and you’re under the impression that this gym did not give her the rules and regulations of their company. How am I wrong if you’re the one basing your “facts” on pure speculation?
It’s very simple, and you’re taking excessive, unnecessary measures to make yourself feel good about this argument. Sorry my dear, but if you break the rules, you’re not the victim. Very simple.
Now I might see it if a woman wore something like this because it could cause men to drop 50# weights on their feet or get thrown off their treadmill when they suddenly stopped running to stare.
Ah yes, she was obviously dressed up as a prostitute. Just look st those arms and midsection skin. So fucking raunchy. How dare she play victim when she’s walking into the gym looking like an experienced porn star. Throw the whole hoe away.
She doesn’t even look attractive to me in anywa... it’s oddd... unless she was wearing something else but she still is not attractive. I don't know what’s wrong with men or that gym... just odd...
My gym has actually very attractive people and in less clothing or more revealing clothing...
This story is either fake for fame or very ridiculous.
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If it's policy of the gym then yep, ask her to put on a sweater or leave.
If she wore what she is wearing in the pic then I agree, it was unjust to kick her out.
But then again if the policy is men shouldn't wear tank tops then yep it's fair that she doesn't wear a sports bra either. Women want equality, there we go. All are treated equal.
Rules are rules. If she doesn't like it, she should look for a gym with different rules. There is literally no need to start a whole pointless fuss about it. She is doing it for the attention.
I see some comments how men's distraction isn't a woman's problem and that they just shouldn't look, completely failing at realizing that we are not talking here about the same sex. Men have a different nature.
When I look at a girl, it is different than when I look at a baby or a tree.
It's very easy for anyone to say that we should look away , but for us looking away means fighting with ourselves. And this this fight itself is distracting.
I know, we shouldn't compare the female with the male. Men are fueled on testosterone and women ok estrogen. Two completely different hormones that affect appearance, mind, behavior and personality
We want to look at women as more than physical. As a human being. And these clothes act as a barrier. I constantly feel myself guilty looking at women. And when I keep trying to look away , resisting our desire to watch, it's irritating and that is what is called "distraction".
And a of these people are ignoring it, just like the children who dont understand anything about period masturbation or contraception.
I actually think it was targeted at her because someone that works there probably doesn't like her. They finally found her there and requested she be kicked out. It has nothing to do with what she is wearing. It's just a "I don't like you and you don't get to use this facility" type of thing. Petty, eh?
If it's against their policy, that's that. I don't agree with them, but rules are rules. If that young lady in the posted picture is wearing the same outfit, then they overreacted, "bigly".
Also, since when is that a sports bra? And how are men's tank-tops too revealing/confusing?
Before everyone jumps to conclusion please consider this...
Gyms can have their own rules regarding clothing. I can already think of people going: "But men can be shirtless", but you must understand that this gym does not think it's appropriate. Unless you've been in that specific gym and know that they only throw women out because of crop tops, don't claim it's misogyny.
@Benedek38 So... if it's that immoral the business will destroy itself as people will not visit the gym.
It's like saying it's immoral to ban nudists from normal beaches, but there's beaches that cater specifically to their needs. So if there's people that don't want to be distracted (if that distracts them), they will go to this gym.
Service based economy is run by the consumer, nothing else. If the business does socially unacceptable things, it destroys itself. Why do you think so many websites support LGBT (the movement, not the people), even though they might disagree with the movement itself. Because it's profitable. Let the businesses do it themselves.
"It's like saying it's immoral to ban nudists from normal beaches" Yes. That's exactly what I think. In fact I think there is a case to be made for nudism IN GENERAL being legal. Because who the fuck are you to tell anyone how to live their lives? Doesn't mean they aren't dumbasses.
"So if there's people that don't want to be distracted"... Then they can visit a doctor to give them a pill for their ADHD, and start working out like normal people. Yeah, when I first went to a gym, I was intimidates a bit by those 230 lbs muscular beasts walking around. But I kept working out, because that's what you're supposed to do. Not look for a cozy little safe space where you can keep being a fat piece of shit while lifting 2 kg dumbbells for placebo.
"Service based economy is run by the consumer, nothing else." Service based economies are felling apart and tend to favour autocracies. Case in point - Google and Facebook slowly taking over US politics. It's a lot fucking easier to not allow businessea to discriminate. There. End if story. You want to open a shop? Serve everyone to your beat capacity, regardless of what they wear.
"If the business does socially unacceptable things, it destroys itself. Why do you think so many websites support LGBT (the movement, not the people), even though they might disagree with the movement itself. Because it's profitable." Funny you would say that - I am sure you are familiar with the catchphrase "Get woke, go broke".
Think what you want, but you can't serve everyone right.
If you serve the nudist by allowing him on a normal beach, you're not serving others.
And trust me, nudism is disgusting. I've been there with my mom who is also a nudist and I genuienly don't like seeing people naked. And the same feel people that go to normal beaches.
The best way is to make separate places for those people.
You also don't go to a nudist beach as an adult and wear a swimsuit, because they find it disgusting there.
"Think what you want, but you can't serve everyone right." Of course I can. It's only stuck up Americans that want companies to cut ties with customers because of their political ideology. In Hungary, enterprises MUST serve ALL customers, regardless of who they are, and nobody has complained so far.
"If you serve the nudist by allowing him on a normal beach, you're not serving others." You promised them water to bathe in. Not the ability to do so without seeing tits and genitalia. You are serving the others, they just might not be willing to go there.
"And trust me, nudism is disgusting." So? Do you know what I find disgusting? Fat people. I want skinny, fit people on my beaches. I actually find onese people with rolls of fat waaaay uglier than a nodist. So, do you think we should allow certain beaches to discriminate based on bodyfat percentage?
"I genuienly don't like seeing people naked." Congratulations! You said it! You don't LIKE it. Does that give you the right to tell. people what to do? Vote with your wallet. Supposing all beaches allow nudism, go to one where the least nudists are. Simple. And stop being a snowflake!
"The best way is to make separate places for those people." The best way to increase birth rates among Americans and limit immigrations is to send the army to the border to shoot anyone illegally entering ON SIGHT, and to illegalise abortions. Is it good for society? Probably. You'll get more families, less single mothers. Is it acceptable? Hardly. Again, you shouldn't be allowed to discriminate against people AT ALL.
"You also don't go to a nudist beach as an adult and wear a swimsuit" Actually you can.
by the way here's a nice concept. You have protected classes. But nobody says anything about allowing people in based on their GENITALIA or MELANIN CONTENT. Genital conversion surgeries and melanin injections or removals are available to everyone. So should businesses be able to discriminate based on these criteria?
You clearly don't know what you're talking about. Pointless to argue with you.
I've been to Hungary, it's my neighbor country. You guys have stickers on door saying: No dogs, no ice cream, no rollerblading
You can also put a no naked people sign on anything. I've been to Croatia. The shops inside nudist camps have those signs. So is that businesses discriminating? No.
You can have your own rules as a business and discriminating against activities is allowed. Nudists are not a kind of people, it's their kind of activity.
We in the EU, which Hungary is part of have a disability and discrimination act which describes precisely what businesses may not discriminate against. Things like race, BODY TYPE, height, gender etc. are not allowed to be discriminated against when serving a customer under extreme circumstances. Weight can be a factor and you can refuse serving a fat person if you want to.
Last part is not true. Last year I was 16 and me, my mom, my uncle and my cousin went to a nusist beach. Me and my cousin aren't really fans of that, so we wear bathing shorts. The security continously kept bugging us and gave us a last warning at which point we hid from them everytime we saw them. They don't tolerate bathing suits.
"No dogs, no ice cream, no rollerblading" So? I don't agree with that either. I am just saying around here businesses can't decline service to individuals. That is written in the constitution.
"You can also put a no naked people sign on anything." And I am arguing you shouldn't be able to. I think I was clear.
"So is that businesses discriminating?" Yes, by definition, dumbfuck.
"We in the EU, which Hungary is part of have a disability and discrimination act which describes precisely what businesses may not discriminate against." So you AGREE that there IS discrimination. What I am saying is that there shouldn't be any discrimination allowed against customers. End of story. And the EU is an autocratic pile of shit.
"Nudists are not a kind of people, it's their kind of activity." Of course they are. Again, how about this - I deny people who think like women. There. Sexuak discrimination is not perfectly legal. You can frame it all you want, but at the end of the day you are denying service for irrelevant things.
"Weight can be a factor and you can refuse serving a fat person if you want to." Actually being overweight or obese (or anorexic) is a disability, and as such it is protected in the EU. Just saying, before you have a lawsuit on your ass. Idiot.
"Last part is not true." Maybe you went to a shitty nudist beach. Also, if that is the case, then they shouldn't be allowed to discriminate either.
Your imagination will never come true. By that definition you should be able to go to a restaurant and take off your clothes. It might not be disgusting to you, but majority of people would not want to watch and old penis or vagina while eating.
By the EU act obesity to an extent is considered a disability. This doesn't prevent you from disallowing a fat person on a roller coaster or plane (if they don't fit inside the seat)
With your theory you should be able to get on a plane, walk around the whole time, get naked
The reason why nude and clothed beaches are separate is because neither of the two wants to see the other. Personality wise nudists are different people, I know from experience. Not in a bad way.
"Your imagination will never come true." That's the problem with humans. So prudeyet pretending to be inclusive.
"By that definition you should be able to go to a restaurant and take off your clothes." Yes.
"It might not be disgusting to you, but majority of people would not want to watch and old penis or vagina while eating." There are many things I find disgusting. But guess what? I get over it, instead of being a little snowflake like yourself.
"This doesn't prevent you from disallowing a fat person on a roller coaster or plane (if they don't fit inside the seat)" Rollercoasters are hazards, obviously the danger of people dying trumps individual liberties. As for planes, actually in those cases the person is required to have two tickets. But very few people are that fat.
"With your theory you should be able to get on a plane, walk around the whole time, get naked" Yes.
"The reason why nude and clothed beaches are separate is because neither of the two wants to see the other." If I say I don't wanna see any ni**ers around, why shouldn't I be allowed to have a white only beach? After all, it leads to less tension - the neo-nazis and the black nationalists would probably complain about each other, leading to conflict. Just because you can find aome half-reasonable explanation to discriminate against people, doesn'r mean you should be allowed to.
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