One big problem I see is that it generalizes women into a very narrow category that isn’t even close to accurate. They try to convince the world that every woman on the planet is a bloodthirsty demon just waiting for her next male victim, and that is completely false. There are some feminazis and metoo chicks like that, but I know loads of girls who are standing up in rejection of that narrative.
Another big problem is that every mgtow guy I’ve talked to is fueled by emotion, mostly bitterness, anger, and rage, rather than reason. In fact, they usually won’t even listen to reason. They are nothing more than the male counterpart to feminazis, and I will have nothing to do with either.
I totally disagree with you on the "emotional" part. not sure if you heard that saying "numbers dont lie" but the fact that women initiate divorce more than 50% of the time pretty much explains it all.
again i think the fact that you're such a denial yourself despite the facts are all around pretty much explains that your the emotional one here
Then tell me why the ‘symbol’ of MGTOW has become ‘the bird?’ What does that symbol mean? Who uses it? When do they use it? It’s when someone gets really angry and displays it to express with emphasis on emotional response. And that prefectly represents MGTOW.
‘again i think the fact that you're such a denial yourself despite the facts are all around pretty much explains that your the emotional one here’
To the contrary, I believe what my own experiences have shown me, not what some group of failures tell me to believe.
Some of the most supportive and helpful people that have ever played a part in my life have been women. Yes, There are bad women in the world, just as there are bad men. And I have the common sense to know who to trust. That’s what sets me apart from MGTOW.
dude I seriously dont know what "bird" are you talking about and mgtow is a lifestyle, not a "group." therefore we can never be a "hate group" or whatever it is that your trying to label us. either way I got my own negative experiences as well. it can't be all a coincidence that I had such horrible experience with women, I also grew up with other male relatives that were far worst than me in this department; I dont just learn from my mistakes only. till then these are the reason why I condone this lifestyle today, I didn't wait for it to come to me.
"Some of the most supportive and helpful people that have ever played a part in my life have been women."
again this sounds like another statement of denial. just because a few women were supportive to you does not mean ALL women are entitled to continue that support towards you and hopefully you dont find this out the hard way.
‘again this sounds like another statement of denial.’
Haha Well if you can determine aspects of my life and experiences better than I can, then I humbly bow before your excellence.
This is why I don’t credit you guys. You are directly challenging my knowledge of self awareness, which is a gross display of arrogance. You take everything and everyone and put them into your little box so they fit the narrative. And if they don’t fit, then you make them fit.
My rejection of MGTOW has nothing to do with me being in denial or subjugated by women or whatever spin you want to put on it. It has to do with you guys are bitter, pathetic, and irrational excuses for men, and I want nothing to do with you.
Mgtow is the male version of feminism. They over antagonist every women in society. Like bruh, yah niggas following this path because a girl rejected you lol. (No offense) I actually thought of going through this path because I was rejected myself, but I realize how stupid this was of me, I still liked girls but I just gotta know who I am, how I take things and know what I need to do. But I can still see pros with mgtow that *DOESN'T* involve antagonizing women, which is basically just simply as much as how cliche it sounds, *focus on your own self to follow your path*. Mgtow is wrong in many ways and the obvious ones is over generalizing every female in society.
It is clear to me that you know little to nothing of what MGTOW is about.
MGTOW is nothing like Feminism, which is a Marxist movement that was created to fulfil the Communist Manifesto's requirement for the destruction of the family.
MGTOW have looked at the current situation of Western Civilisation and concluded that (a) the ship is sinking, (b) the Marxists/Feminists have won and (c) it is time to go over the side of the sinking ship and focus on individual survival.
We are going our own way as a matter of survival, rather than expose ourselves to an unacceptable risk.
We do not work to harm women. We have simply withdrawn from the field because we face a battle that we cannot win.
Contrast that with Feminists, such as Valerie Salanis, who advocated for the extermination of all men; Andrea Dworkin, who said that all sex was rape and wanted to kill 90 per cent of men; Julie Bindle, who is a latter-day Dworkin disciple who wants to kill, or castrate, 90 per cent of men and keep the survivors in concentration camps where they would be milked of their sperm; Krista Milburn, the Femithiest, who also wants to kill 90 per cent of men.
Other leading lights of Feminism are less genocidal, but they want men controlled as a slave underclass.
Given Feminist infiltration of every level of government, academia and the corporate world; and the way that the entire legal structure of Western Civilisation has been re-engineered to discriminate against men and to penalise men for just being men, we MGTOW have made a rational assessment that things have reached the point that we face a battle that cannot be won.
Withdrawal is in accord with the first principle of tactics, which I learned as an army officer: fight only the battles that you can win.
We have withdrawn from the field and now scatter to survive and take what guerrilla action we may be able to.
Denying women our resources, labour and sperm is the most basic step.
"Like bruh, yah niggas following this path because a girl rejected you lol."
my nigga you sound like a SUPER #SIMP yourself. mgtow has nothing to do with that, is about being aware of the danger women are nowadays. oh well I can see you're only 20 so hopefully you won't find out the hard way "my nigga" because judging by your vocabulary I see nothing but child support, paternity fraud, and hood drama in your future
I think the biggest thing is you’re to busy trying to convince others of your correctness that you don’t actually go your own way. If you actually went your own way people would at least say “yeah now there’s a person with conviction “ and people can respect that. The problem is the movement is overblown with bitter blowhards that keep yapping and complaining. Which is the opposite of the satisfaction going your own way is supposed to deliver.
@derek2017 thanks for proving my point
It generalizes every woman while the woman who are actually like that are a very small portion, although it’s partially the government’s fault as well for making it easy for that small portion of women to get away with these kind of things.
Women*
I wish you were right on that small portion part.
I totally agree with you in the government part in other hand. but the problem is that most of these women dont want to make a difference for themselves. if feminists tell them to jump off a bridge they are very likely to do it. disregarding the fact that feminism was created by the government to enforce them at being the "weaker sex"
"disregarding the fact that feminism was created by the government"
In what alternative universe? It's roots over a century old.
It has been my experience that it is the majority of women who are hateful Feminists who salivate at the thought of using the anti-male apparatus of the government to destroy me. . . just because they can.
I gave up dating, sex and everything that brought me into contact with women 18 years ago because women here in Australia were so insane, hateful and all-round toxic.
Gee, just because you had a bad experience with a handful amount of women doesn’t make us all hateful feminists.
@Monster_Recluse feminism was initiated in the 1960s. regardless the government has been around multiple centuries before that
That’s ridiculous, like I said earlier most women aren’t like that. It’s impossible to reason with you though, since you’re a MGTOW and it’s the feminist equivalent for men.
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u It assumes that all women are alike and it assumes that the horror stories that get told about divorce court are typical and not extreme.
@Texaskid1 And how do you know that?
The MGTOW movement is not necessarily a bad one. I do agree with some of the other comments here about it being fueled by a certain emotion such as anger or bitterness. But if you think about it isn't everything? The first wave feminists of the 19th century were fueled by anger ; they could not vote , they had limited career options etc. They were pissed with all this so they did something about it. Fair enough.
As far as I am concerned MGTOW is a response to this third wave feminism which has run amok in western democracies. The feminist influence has taken over media, education , government even private corporations. Think about it. Most marriages end in divorce. It is usually the female that initiates the process. The family courts - which are responsible for handling divorces and child care custody issues tend to favor the female. Men will usually get screwed over in the divorce process. The financial and mental burdens of divorce is rough for men.
In cases of domestic violence calls the police will usually put the man in handcuffs right of the bat. Even if it was the woman who was being abusive.
If a woman accuses a man of assault or rape. The man is automatically assumed guilty. Yes , he gets his day in court but the jury , the judge , the police , the media have all decided that he is guilty before looking at the evidence (or lack thereof). Why? Because he is a man.
Have you seen any movies or talk shows lately? Have you watched CNN as of late? The media and Hollywood do what they can to make look like either buffoons , bullies , or rapists. While woman are often painted as innocent and precious victims who can do no wrong.
What about on college campuses across the country? I feel sorry for these young guys. College is the best place to meet ladies and for a young lad to get experience with woman. I remember my very first day of college way back in the day. I was like a kid in a candy store. But that was a different time - feminism was around but it did not have as much toxic influence as it does today. Nowadays , if any of these young guys sees a pretty girl and approaches her he is branded as a rapist or a creep. The uncorroborated word of some petty 19 year old ditz of a girl is used to destroy a young man's life. No evidence , no witness , no confessions needed. They are guilty until proven innocent.
At work? Forget about it. Tell the secretary or your female assistant that you like her new manicure or you think her hair is nice today and... wham... you get hit with a sexual harassment complaint.
Why is it such a shock when men decide to minimize their contact with woman?
I think that the artwork describes the situation fairly well.
I have been celibate for the past 18 years because women, as a collective, have becoming too hateful, predatory and generally insane for interaction of a personal nature with them to be justifiable on the basis of cost/risk/benefit.
The main thing they have wrong is they say going mgtow is better but they are always pissed off and angry so obviously it's not a good lifestyle.
If they would say they are forced into it because there are no good women out there then that would work better.
it is very normal to feel anger when you are constantly surrounded by injustice. if I had to choose between being angry and being at peace vs pretending to be happy while others consume me slowly then you best believe I choose being angry any day.
and yes we are basically forced into it and that is one of the main reasons we are angry. have you ever felt deceived in your life?
I'm with you man.
Guys have the itch for females. Testosterone and without that hormone you get when near women that itch becomes anxiety or a weird obsession with anime at 50yrs old. Pretty much all guys including MGTOW would like companionship but it's impossible. It doesn't matter how much you impress a women suddenly she could wake up 10yrs later and think I want a tall guy, leave her christian values (or whatever) and BAM. And somehow it's the guys fault. Oh he had an annoying voice or a handful of random reasons to justify it.
Or she can cheat on the guy and it's the guys fault still. Or a girl goes from joining a guy in his hobbies to having a problem with his hobbies to the guy not bothering with the hobbies because the bitch gets all fucked up... then in the near future she dumps that guy because he's not confident (a push over). All sub-conscious.
I can go on forever BUT still...
People with MGTOW are mean as hell they bitch all of the time. Hell, you join a forum or say hell and half of their replies are "welcome to not getting screwed over and getting your life destroyed".
Instead of MGTOW, guys who don't want to fuck with women need to just do mechanic and restore their ride, or whatever the hell they want to do as opposed to thinking about it all of the time and letting it own their life.
It's not that ALL women are like that.
It's that MTGOW makes sense for men who cannot navigate themselves to a decent woman or who's dating prospects are so hopeless they are stuck with the bottom 20% of women, whom are not worth it at all.
Definitely interesting to read, been through all that and the paycheck wasn’t far off from the real thing
You risk everything for love and the chances of it lasting are slim. It’s no fun alone though either
not much the evolution part is wrong
but most of it is true
evolution is a joke
That women actually care if you go mgtow, they don't. Women are happier and more content being single than men are.
"That women actually care if you go mgtow, they don't."
we dont care even less and we actually wish you all didn't
"Women are happier and more content being single than men are. "
action speaks louder than words because even now almost 60 years after the start of feminism you all still fail to live up to such words
Women do not care?
That would be why so many women invest so much time into visiting MGTOW channels to vomit hate all over men.
Women care a lot after they hit the wall, are ejected from the carousel, and realise that it is becoming increasingly less likely that there will be a blue-pill simp waiting to provide them with a golden parachute.
Mgtow for life
I know right hahahaha. Manginas.
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