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Why isn't the men's rights movement popular among men? (Page 2)
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What rights do I need? I need black rights but man right I'm pretty good on.
I guess you can argue 2 things
The marriage spousal support
And the ability to opt out of parent hood around the first 90 day or something like that
Basically, because men don't like to complain and expect full independence from each other.
Because it isn't actually a rights movement.
It's a rights movement provide some facts to prove your assertion instead making blank statements.
You first.
The Australian men's rights movement has made the government repeal laws that forced men to pay child support for non biological children that where the result of extramarital affairs. Although paternity fraud is still not criminalized in any country.
The Canadian association for equality has joined calls for Canada's Inquiry Into Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women to include boys and men, based on the fact that 70% of murdered indigenous people are men. It has also raised 200k to build the countries first shelter for male victims of domestic violence.
The NCFM (National coalition for men) has obtained a court order declaring the draft to be unconstitutional, who else would have done this for men?
Why is this is not considered a rights movement to you?
Yet none of those things has ever been on the list of anything an MRA has told me he was concerned about. And almost everything that has been on their lists are things they are doing nothing about and aren't rights violations to begin with. They make false claims about being overly oppressed in society, and are generally just angry anti-feminists.
You just ignored what I typed about what men's rights organisations have done and yet stick to the assertion that MRA's do nothing but make false claims. So much for your rationality. The only one who made false assertions is you.
I didn't ignore it. I told you what my experience has been.
Men just working for the benefit of men in society is what men have always done. No special movement was needed. The "movement" is actually about discrediting feminists.
She's right, it's not a rights movement. It's a whiny bitchy sissy boy movement.
While I do agree that the issues they bring up are completely valid, the movement tends to be full of incels, who blame all of their problems on women rather than accept that almost all of their problems are their own fault.
Then you don't know or care to know about the men's rights movement.
A man should know if the child is his. Those laws are ridiculous.
Yeah but what can be done to enforce men's reproductive rights in these countries we need a international men's movement. Dont you agree?
Laws on the books. In America one cannot be denied the pursuit of happiness which is a basis for legal action against these laws.
Yeah and the supreme court refuses to hear the case initiated against these laws, damn bastards.
Name a single law on the books that prohibits a man from pursuing a paternity test. Quote the specific statute.
I'm not familiar with French law. I know a man in New York did 6 years in prison for not paying child support for a child he knew wasn't his. Apparently Germany is following the French lead.
Did the idiot in prison bother to get a paternity test?
Yea. Didn't matter. The mother wrote his name on the birth certificate.
Did he have the good sense to CONTEST it? Sorry, sounds like this guy made some significant mistakes along the way.
@HereIbe Contesting it is disallowed , it's called default paternity anybody who the woman names as the father without regard for the physical capability of the person to defend himself. These men who have never met the woman are sentenced to economic slavery for 18-25 years including minors. In one particular case a homeless was having his inheritance money from his mother stolen by a heartless wretch who knew he had nothing to do with her or her hellspawn.
WRONG, you moron! Section 516-b (iv) of the pertinent New York state law allows for challenge. I QUOTE THE ACTUAL LAW, you LIAR:
"After the expiration of the time limits set forth in paragraphs (i) and (ii) of this subdivision, any of the signatories to an acknowledgment of paternity may challenge the acknowledgment in court by alleging and proving fraud, duress, or material mistake of fact. If the petitioner proves to the court that the acknowledgment of paternity was signed under fraud, duress, or due to a material mistake of fact, the court shall then order genetic marker tests or DNA tests for the determination of the child's paternity."
Since, in this case, it was fraud by the women, HE HAS A RIGHT TO CHALLENGE. You are just a lying sack of shit.
LOOK UP THE LAW YOURSELF, you lying sack of shit!
That was the New York State's response to the guy being wrongfully imprisoned for almost a decade.
Also he's talking about France and Germany where those laws don't exist.
I love how a lot of women here are talking about history ignoring the fact that history is history when the world was liberated from the oppression of women years ago.
Pathetic movement men have everything everywhere. In fact in the east they have more than everything.
Why do you say that? And "because they do" it's not a good answer.
Because it’s true.
Much better answer
Reading this makes me cringe hard.
I don’t care gtfo
@linaashxx can you tell me why you desagree?
Question, are you pretending to feeble-minded or are you actually?
#allwomenarentfree
#mostinwesterncountriesare
Oh you are an oppressed eastern woman?
See this question @Americanteengirl. It could give you some new perspective.
Which rights do MEN lack and need to fight for? ↗
Go see it too @linaashxx
Which rights do MEN lack and need to fight for? ↗
Men do not lack any rights
Yes they do. Look I gave you a place where you can inform yourself on the matter. If you don't check it out and keep your argument you are being ignorant by choice
No you guys don’t you can gtfo too
I wonder why are you so angry with us. You and so many other women. I really don't know. Yes there are some shitty men yes. So since some exist every men in the world can just fuck themselves?
You still did not answer my question.
“Some”? 🤣🤣Women would not start groups like feminism and #me too if it was just “some”.
@linaashxx Me?
Bad actions speak louder in the media then good ones! You really think most of us is evil like that? We are not! We are just portrait like that
@ThisIsMyOpinion No.
@linaashxx And you could answer mine. What makes you desagree with her?
https://www.nsvrc.org/statistics
https://www.rainn.org/statistics/scope-problem
www.rainn.org/statistics/victims-sexual-violence it is not just some and it’s even worse in the East.
www.marieclaire.com/.../
@Americanteengirl I never said you had it all good! I never said that women don't have problems that need to be solved as soon as possible. Of course they do! And I am all for it!
Just because one group also has it's problems doesn't mean we are dismissing the other side.
You can’t name rights men don’t have. It’s very simple, the oppressors are not oppressed.
What right's don't you have?
The constitutions is the same to everyone
I just put that link down
They talked about statistics and under representation in some fields. I didn't see anything about constitutional rights.
It was about equal rights. Women still earn less than men now for doing the same jobs. That’s sad
Men get more jail time for the same crime.
That is bad
I agree that women should gain the same money. Again I am not disagreeing with you! I am just saying we are our issues too
"Oh you are an oppressed eastern woman?"
Women in the East are not oppressed, especially not just because you say they are. Most of the women in places like Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Nigeria, etc. are perfectly contempt with their role in society and very few seek actual change in the societal arrangement. Even if they did seek change, they would still not be oppressed. Oppressed peoples always try to escape their oppressor, such as the Tibetans in China, Jews in 1930s Germany, and Armenians in Turkey during WW1. Hardly an women are fleeing from those countries, and there are just as many men fleeing those countries than women.
Have you ever noticed how many women who immigrate to the West often advocate for paleo-gender-roles? Even that Pakistani girl (I forget her name, Shadeii or something?) often creates MyTakes against feminism.
Of course they are oppressed. There is no argument there.
I’m not even sure if the places you named allow women to work or drive. Most eastern women are oppressed the only ones that kinda aren’t are rich.
And no if you knew anything about the Jews situation then you would know that it got to a certain point where the Germans wouldn’t let them leave. I am positive many women there want to leave but can’t. You can not tell them they are contempt with their oppressed role that is stupid.
^This is the most useless & invalid statement I’ve read.
#Americanwomenarethebest
American women are evil.
Come to Europe. Girls here are girls
All girls are girls. That makes no sense. @Asker American women aren’t evil. We are the best.
“Girls here are girls” what are you trying to say? That they are weak? What exactly makes them a “girl” to you? Smh
I mean that they don't hate guys for no reason.
No girls hate guys for no reason. And no tons of European girls dislike European guys, which is why a lot move. Either way idc, anyone with a vag is a female.
Some yes. I was talking for the most part.
I might be wrong, but even on this site, the vibe that I get from American girls is pure hostility to us for whatever reason.
Whatever
The damage that American women have done by trying to promote gender as a social construct, the consequences that many children have had to live with because of that and they refuse to accept any responsibility for initiating and promoting that concept and the damage that came with it. They are absolutely evil and they have legislation to murder new born babies after they are born.
They have no concept of good and evil the world is their right because they were once oppressed. They are scum I have to tell you.
If you have such a problem then gtfo thanks
You are insane lunatical bunch of people that have no conscience to what you've done.
*you are an insane* bitch off poodles.
Stfu weakling guys like you need to gtfo of America or please don’t come here at all. We are working on getting toxic masculinity out. Thanks.
Dude she is 16. She is just a kid calm down
I still know what I’m talking about
Those guys are just butt hurt normies that don't know what is actually going on or why women are acting like they are.
I'd fight for men's rights, but it's only a matter of time before bs feminists make it a "hate crime" to assume that men should have any rights so I'm just getting prepared to survive in that world.
In other words, you're a coward and a sissy.
@HereIbe or a realist, if you'd like to label me. Get ready bro. It's only a matter of time before all men are chained up in dungeons and never see the light of day with female programed robots sent down a couple times a month to collect our "seed" to be used for all breeding purposes. :P
Because the so-called "men's rights movement" isn't about rights. It's about losers and incels whining about how abused and persecuted they are when they really just need to MAN THE FUCK UP and stop being such whiny crybabies.
There's plenty of rights we need like the paternity rights against fraud, DNA testing, fair alimony judgements, repealing of the Bradley amendment, rights against being forced to fight, false rape accusations and proper compensation, inhumane chemical castration laws even if they are rapists nobody has any rights to torture us, etc.
Because we don't care enough and don't complain as much.
You mean, we man up?
@HereIbe Most of us yes or just don't complain and go on a whining spree about how we don't have this or don't have that.
Then who is going to care about you when you're a paternity fraud victim, falsely accused of rape, die or penectomised in some circumcision ritual. How are you going to man up when you lose your penis or become a cuckold by law.
We can still have those rights without needing a group organization. Usually group orginizations are just created by people as a way to get money from others. Even feminsm they accept donations from people.
Just how do you propose we get these rights, only groups have enough power to exert influence.
Through the supreme court system. There is no group for having a law against cyberbullying for kids under 18 and now most states made cyberbullying illegal. If anything most things in order to become federal or state laws have to have a lot of supporters and you could do that without a organization.
Most men don't care enough to do anything about it.
Many men do care and have made progress. The men's rights movement has changed laws in Australia, Georgia, Florida, North Carolina that discriminate against men, the NCFM has got a court order declaring the draft to unconstitutional, CAFE the in Canada has raised 200k to build the countries first shelter for male victims of domestic violence.
Because men are used to hard work, and are actually capable of achieving their goals, regardless of how much the society hates them and oppresses them.
I was going to say this. Glad someone said it first, means I am not the only one who thinks like this.
Cuz the majority of men are not having a problem with their 'rights'.
Deep... so simple so clear !
Fine then a woman accuses you of default paternity and you are forced to be an economic slave for 18-25 years, you sure you wouldn't want mandatory paternity testing laws like the one the state of Georgia to protect you.
Many men have the right to have they're penises cut off in South Africa, Uganda, Kenya, Nigeria and get mocked and beaten up for complaining about it every year in the name of circumcision and the World health organisation openly promotes this harmful cultural practice.
Would you like this right to become yours as you don't seem to have a problem?
I don't live in SA, Uganda, or Kenya. Sorry dood.
My penis is just fine... and I'm nearly 62. You kids whine too fukkin much. Just go out there and be awesome, be a REAL MAN and you won't have to worry about your 'rights'. You'll be too busy making your life happen.
Your just an idiot.
Evidently. LOL
But WAAAAYYYY more smarter than YOU. ;)
These men movements are a bunch of losers whining about women having rights
No your the loser who doesn't give a damn about injustice when it's happening to men. Your just a misandrist with an agenda to fuck and live happily.
And NO! It's women who keep whining about men having rights , how many women complained about not signing up for the draft when they demanded the right to vote?
Poor anon
Is your mother the only woman that talks to you 🧐
I didn't know there was a men's movement? Is it important to you?
Because these simps are so damn thirsty, that's why.
Because there are a lot of dumb women hating creeps in that community.
So what there are plenty of radical feminists, lesbian seperatists who genuinely want us to go extinct and yet the few haters who complain about real issues are reason for you to absolve your conscience of everything that happens to men and boys in the world? Even so how is mere hate comparable to a desire to make the entire male gender go extinct.
The men's rights movement has changed laws in Australia, Georgia, Florida, North Carolina that discriminate against men, the NCFM has got a court order declaring the draft to unconstitutional, CAFE the in Canada has raised 200k to build the countries first shelter for male victims of domestic violence.
But still we need an international men's rights movement to stop legislation that promotes paternity fraud, male genital mutilation.
Because were not a bunch of pathetic pussies who need validation and the acceptance of other people.
My brother from another mother!
I don't know. I just want to abide my time in this world and leave. Can't get involved in everything
You planning on marrying?