I disagree purely because there have been some brilliant minds and industrialist who came from squalor. Granted this was prior to numerous social nets so music artist seems to be what cones from there mostly these days.
My grandparents were farmers, had an income, a house and food to feed their kids. They were not rich but they weren’t incapable of providing basic needs for their kids.
Same as mine. But there were times when my great grandparents got poor as dirt because something beyond their power. Such as economic depression, war, bad season.. bad prices, but they (and their children) survived. Hard times create tough people.
I’m not talking about that. I’m talking about people already poor, that cannot take care of themselves choosing to have kids or having unprotected sex that leads to kids.
Emotionally, I agree they shouldn't procreate for the good of themselves. Logically? Why not train them to be functional? Create jobs? India & China used to be a shit hole a few decades ago. Now? They're the new economic blocks in the world. The key to their success? As simply as cheap labor caused by "overpopulation", which also a relative situation by the way.
What makes you say that? The fact that I think poor people that cannot take care of themselves should not procreate until they have their life on track? Or the part where I said in an ideal world they would be on long term birth control to prevent accidental pregnancies.
Not being able to provide basic commodities is fine? Not being able to have food on the table everyday, not having money to buy decent clothes, no steady home etc? Most criminals grew up in poverty, plenty of studies show that poverty is linked to children developing psychological issues and experience way more stress than kids that do not grow up poor.
There is government assistance for people who can't afford for there childern. (If you live in the us) I had to use it when I had my son. Now I'm well able to afford my kids but I dont regert needing help
Thats leeching off of other people’s money because one didn’t make a smart choice. Nothing to be proud of. I don’t mind paying for health care, I don’t want to contribute to people having kids without being able to take care of them.
If you were smarter you wouldn’t have had a kid in the first place unless you could afford for one yourself. That’s irresponsible. I’m happy though you got out of poverty and that is something to be proud of but having a child without any means to take care of it and relying on other people to pay for it is not in my opinion
Choosing to have a child out of selfishness despite not being able to provide for it is not exactly the description of a good parent either. Why not wait till you could take care of yourself and a possible child?
Accident? Wouldn’t have happened with long term birth control. A sub dermal implant has a failure rate of 0.05% so as good as nihil. I don’t view abortion as selfish, but we obviously differ in what we view as selfish. Adoption is another alternative but not always better if they don’t get adopted.
I dont agree with birth control. It's wrong for women to change there bodies and hormones. Its unnatural and changes womens personality and who they are attracted to and messes up nature
So that child was not an accident. You had unprotected sex fully knowing you could get pregnant while being poor. And just enjoyed leeching off of the system despite it all being you and your husbands fault you got knocked up? Wow. Great parent indeed, very responsible, mature and not selfish at all.
Studies have shown that kids growing up in poverty develop psychological issues and experience more stress than kids that didn’t grow up poor. Bad parents exist in all classes but it is pretty much guaranteed to mess up the kid if it grows up with poor parent (s).
It’s not up to other people to fix ones life’s mistakes. Especially not in first world countries, everyone can have a decent life here if one would try. I don’t want to pay for other people that cannot get their life on track.
I won’t have kids especially not if I cannot take care of them. Healthcare is different, everyone needs it. Though free healthcare doesn’t work either. I have made sure to have a savings account to cover anything in case shit hits the fan, I have never had to rely on government aid and if I keep doing what I do, never will. And I don’t come from an upper class family, everything I have I worked for.
How so? Because I think poor people that cannot take care of children yet make the selfish choice to have them and most likely mess up their lives early on, should be limited? Guess you are okay with kids starving, not having a place to call home or any warm clothes, good education or growing up emotionally stable.
Because the Nazis (and China) are the only governments that have done what you're talking about. The Nazis forced sterilization on people they believed shouldn't reproduce. China limited each family to one child (which has caused a lot of issues and involved some massive human rights violations). What you're proposing is straight-up totalitarianism and dehumanization of people you find less worthy. Who gets to decide who is too poor to have kids? Who gets to decide who is "responsible enough?" The only people who try to exert that level of power over people are totalitarian regimes, like the Nazis. If the government has so much control over people's lives that they can decide something as intimate is who does or does not have children, they can do anything (like round up people they don't like and exterminate them). I'll be very scared if anyone who thinks like you do gets elected to office. Don't get me wrong, I don't think people should have kids they can't afford. And I do believe effective birth control (and sterilization, in some cases) should be readily available and encouraged. But the government should not have the right to force it on people. That's not compatible with a free society.
What Girls & Guys Said
Opinion
31Opinion
People who ask this question should definitely not.
I don’t want kids, no. Unlike a lot of parents I know I wouldn’t make a good parent.
And your admitted deficiency is well noted.
Do I think people should make better choices? Yes.
Do I think we should infringe on peoples bodily autonomy? No.
I don't agree with that. but they should be given free birth control (pill and condoms).
Nothing is free, and in most places that is already the case yet they still get pregnant...
I disagree purely because there have been some brilliant minds and industrialist who came from squalor. Granted this was prior to numerous social nets so music artist seems to be what cones from there mostly these days.
Your approach has already been tried in places like China; only one child, if any, per couple, is all the country can afford.
I thought that was just to reduce population.
Are your family rich from the beginning of your family tree?
My grandparents were farmers, had an income, a house and food to feed their kids. They were not rich but they weren’t incapable of providing basic needs for their kids.
Same as mine. But there were times when my great grandparents got poor as dirt because something beyond their power. Such as economic depression, war, bad season.. bad prices, but they (and their children) survived. Hard times create tough people.
I’m not talking about that. I’m talking about people already poor, that cannot take care of themselves choosing to have kids or having unprotected sex that leads to kids.
Emotionally, I agree they shouldn't procreate for the good of themselves. Logically? Why not train them to be functional? Create jobs? India & China used to be a shit hole a few decades ago. Now? They're the new economic blocks in the world. The key to their success? As simply as cheap labor caused by "overpopulation", which also a relative situation by the way.
NO, only illegal poor immigrants that vote Democrat should.
I ended up voting A, but not at a legal level though, more like a recommendation.
Common sense - don't create what you can't continue to support.
Didn't you forget that they should be killed in gas chambers?
What makes you say that? The fact that I think poor people that cannot take care of themselves should not procreate until they have their life on track? Or the part where I said in an ideal world they would be on long term birth control to prevent accidental pregnancies.
Diamonds are formed under the harshest conditions, conversely, some of the best people come from the lowest beginnings.
It would be irresponsible, but no one can't deny them that
Yeah but they’re the ones who have the most children per family on average. So maybe you should think of a viable solution.
I believe most people should reproduce. The planet is terribly over populated.
Yeah that's a good point shouldn't be having kids if you can't afford them
Nothing wrong with being poor and having kids
Not being able to provide basic commodities is fine? Not being able to have food on the table everyday, not having money to buy decent clothes, no steady home etc? Most criminals grew up in poverty, plenty of studies show that poverty is linked to children developing psychological issues and experience way more stress than kids that do not grow up poor.
There is government assistance for people who can't afford for there childern. (If you live in the us) I had to use it when I had my son. Now I'm well able to afford my kids but I dont regert needing help
Thats leeching off of other people’s money because one didn’t make a smart choice. Nothing to be proud of. I don’t mind paying for health care, I don’t want to contribute to people having kids without being able to take care of them.
It is something to be proud of cuz I escaped poverty. And it shows that the system truly works and can help people in need.
If you were smarter you wouldn’t have had a kid in the first place unless you could afford for one yourself. That’s irresponsible. I’m happy though you got out of poverty and that is something to be proud of but having a child without any means to take care of it and relying on other people to pay for it is not in my opinion
I dont think it was stupid for me to get pregnant then. I had full capability of being a good mom regardless of money
Were you able to feed your kid, provide it with basic health care, a steady home and clothes etc? Without leeching off the government that is.
Not without help but that isn't what defines good parenting
Choosing to have a child out of selfishness despite not being able to provide for it is not exactly the description of a good parent either. Why not wait till you could take care of yourself and a possible child?
I had him on accident, I could have been selfish and aborted him but I decided to give him life instead
Accident?
Wouldn’t have happened with long term birth control. A sub dermal implant has a failure rate of 0.05% so as good as nihil. I don’t view abortion as selfish, but we obviously differ in what we view as selfish. Adoption is another alternative but not always better if they don’t get adopted.
I dont agree with birth control. It's wrong for women to change there bodies and hormones. Its unnatural and changes womens personality and who they are attracted to and messes up nature
I'm a good enough parent I would have never considered adoption cuz I knew I could make it work
Wait... did you have unprotected sex?
Yess I only have unprotected sex
That was sarcasm right? If not you are a very irresponsible person.
No I'm serious. I've only ever been with one guy and I'm married to him now. I have no reason to use protection
So that child was not an accident. You had unprotected sex fully knowing you could get pregnant while being poor. And just enjoyed leeching off of the system despite it all being you and your husbands fault you got knocked up? Wow. Great parent indeed, very responsible, mature and not selfish at all.
Plenty of rich people are shit parents too. So no.
Studies have shown that kids growing up in poverty develop psychological issues and experience more stress than kids that didn’t grow up poor. Bad parents exist in all classes but it is pretty much guaranteed to mess up the kid if it grows up with poor parent (s).
Maybe rich people could park the yatch and lend a hand? Instead of banning poor people from procreating? Doesn't seem like a lot to ask.
It’s not up to other people to fix ones life’s mistakes. Especially not in first world countries, everyone can have a decent life here if one would try. I don’t want to pay for other people that cannot get their life on track.
That's a great philosophy until you're the person in need.
I won’t have kids especially not if I cannot take care of them. Healthcare is different, everyone needs it. Though free healthcare doesn’t work either. I have made sure to have a savings account to cover anything in case shit hits the fan, I have never had to rely on government aid and if I keep doing what I do, never will. And I don’t come from an upper class family, everything I have I worked for.
That is most commendable.
They shouldn't have kids.
You sound like a Nazi.
How so? Because I think poor people that cannot take care of children yet make the selfish choice to have them and most likely mess up their lives early on, should be limited? Guess you are okay with kids starving, not having a place to call home or any warm clothes, good education or growing up emotionally stable.
Because the Nazis (and China) are the only governments that have done what you're talking about. The Nazis forced sterilization on people they believed shouldn't reproduce. China limited each family to one child (which has caused a lot of issues and involved some massive human rights violations). What you're proposing is straight-up totalitarianism and dehumanization of people you find less worthy. Who gets to decide who is too poor to have kids? Who gets to decide who is "responsible enough?" The only people who try to exert that level of power over people are totalitarian regimes, like the Nazis. If the government has so much control over people's lives that they can decide something as intimate is who does or does not have children, they can do anything (like round up people they don't like and exterminate them). I'll be very scared if anyone who thinks like you do gets elected to office.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think people should have kids they can't afford. And I do believe effective birth control (and sterilization, in some cases) should be readily available and encouraged. But the government should not have the right to force it on people. That's not compatible with a free society.
I’m however not talking about sterilization nor limiting how many kids one can have. Long term birth control such as an IUD or the copper spiral etc.
If you do not have a steady income, don’t have a place to live, don’t have any savings etc you should not be having kids. That is plain selfish.
I agree