Full video (at 15:13): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9t_CihSARHE
Tess holliday walked an NYFW show What do you think?
Full video (at 15:13): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9t_CihSARHE
Aww, the second one is unavailable. Okay, not everyone is going to like this, but hear me out.
An average size for a healthy adult woman is size 10 - 14 (sometimes size 16 depending on ethnicity) but the average of most (western) countries is closer to 14 - 18 when it's evened out. The women who model are pushed, bullied and demanded to average between a size 4 - 8, children's sizes & dangerously unhealthy. I know there's healthy size 8 teens or the 1 in 1M woman but I'm talking about everyone, not just the exceptions.
I think, yes, it's very clear Tess is living in a dangerous way & her size isn't ideal or the 6 size most designers make clothes in so they can save money on materials whilst pocketing the rest of 'budget' (I don't get fired up about this, I don't know what you're talking about :p). All of those things are very true but exactly the same things are true about almost all other models too. Bulimia, medications, dangerous diets & mindsets, slews of health problems, she might do shows where she's the healthiest model there.
Then we reach the problem of 'the image'. I don't think, many people are going to look at Tess & say "if only I was excessively obese I could do that too" but they might say "You mean, my life isn't meaningless because I'm overweight? I can still do the things I want to do?" Of all of the horrible things people are sold by magazines one more unhealthy model who actually helps people feel good about themselves or have hope or get out & *do* those things they've been saying they can't, is that so bad? The worst she's likely to be to most people is an obnoxious headline but the best? Seeing someone who looks just like them, being able to achieve something, anything, in the beauty industry, could completely change somebodies life, save it even, if they hated themselves enough that they were thinking about suicide. A lot of people don't realise the intense level of abuse some (some) obese people have/do endure, that just seeing something where they can be included is enough to start to change their mindset.
In short, Tess may have start a whole lot of these conversations but I don't think they should end with her & her decisions/influence. She should be one of more people like her doing the same thing not because "fat is good" but because people are fat and people should be represented wearing clothes, in advertising, on TV etc. *Then* because people who weren't connected before now have a way to connect that can be used by other/advertisers/the community as a way to help draw them back into a healthier lifestyle, whether that's about food, exercise or people. This kind of action is the bridge the connects those who have been cut off.
Yes I love this!!
@morimeme1 Not at all. It actually gives more of an insight into what obesity normally looks like to others. Don't get me wrong, I don't think the attitude she uses or negative body image/lifestyle should be celebrated but I do think if people feel they're not 'hated by society' or that others want them around they start to reflect that in their own lives and take more care of themselves. A great way to start doing that is by getting yourself clothes that you feel comfortable and confident in, places where you would see models like these & be motivated towards greater change.
@AmandaYVR Thanks Amanda. I know there's a big difference in mindsets between countries but I hate seeing people throw people who model all into one boat because they're not picture perfect, cookie-cutter versions of the same person. There's some great changes being made. Someone over size 14 couldn't have found a job in this industry & now there's even the chance for people like Trisha to be supermodels. Fashion should be tailored to people not the other way around.
Modeling definitely needs Women of varying size- MOST women are not 5 ft 10 and 115 pounds or 5 8 and 95 pounds ... no one can relate to how the clothing is actually going to look
I’m tall so I don say this to make myself feel better but honestly modeling size should be a range of heights -and weights but within heathy range.
Designers can design stuff for any size I don’t buy that clothing is made for a certain height- it’s just an excuse to have women who look like men with breast so normal women will hate their bodies and sorbs billions on make up eating disorders therapy and surgery
Clinics make Upwards of 1000$ a day for people diagnosed with eating disorders. It’s a multi million$ industry producing turn then “ curing “ them
I think it’s great to love yourself even if overweight- hate can I refer with improvement... but loving yourself means wanting what is best. I don’t think being 500 pounds is good for anyone of any size.
It’s like they use one extreme to justify another extreme
Why when variation shows up , does it have to be morbidly obese. Just put some freaking 5 ft 3 100 to 120 pound women up there for a start , jeez
Clothes should be made for all sizes so that at whatever weight a woman can feel her best. People need to feel good about themselves so they can move toward being their best.
I just don't know how we convince people that eating poorly or carrying too much weight is no way to live. After the overly thin years during the 80s and 90s when it was all about being too thin we had a pendulum swing where it was about not being thin. There was a lot of good to that because people were taking drugs, diet pills and starving themselves to be something that wasn't natural but now we have the opposite problem.
I had joint pain yesterday and I can't see any way I could have functioned at all normally if I had been heavy. It was hard enough at 118 pounds to maneuver my body. No way at 140 and above could I have done it easily.
There really seems to be no way to convince people that there life could be a little bit of hell or it might shorten their lives by decades without losing weight. Being slim is not a guarantee to good health but it certainly may make a difference or at least make ill health not quite so miserable.
This is what we should be aiming for as long as we can as long as we have our health...
https://youtu.be/WZYDVks1wA0
She needs to lose a lot of weight...
I think the commentator in the YouTube video got it right. She's not a fashion model, she's a "statement model". Somebody put her out there because they are trying to push an agenda or pander to the fat acceptance crowd. Or perhaps Tess Holiday's appearance was simply for shock value. In any case, I don't think it is something to be celebrated. I'm trying to be fair. Tess is only hurting herself by being the size that she is - it doesn't directly hurt anyone else. But this "performance" seems like a slightly more refined version of a freak show performer from an old fashioned circus.
She has a right to get hired for whatever purpose she was hired. We have the right to look away before we get nauseous.
Thanks for the MHO.
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My very favorite episode of "Star Trek The Next Generation"...
Was when they discovered life forms from OUR time. (The show takes place 300 years from now)
The topic of "Television" came up, and no one on the ship had a clue what that was.
Commander Data (The Android that knows everything)
... Explained that television was a "fad" that lasted about 90 years on Earth.
It's hard for me to explain, but I felt somehow relieved!
As a young girl, I never understood how playing video games was bad, but sitting on your fat fucking ass and watching football was good! Who makes these crazy-ass rules?
Anyway, my hat's off to that walrus on that stage. She's probably richer than all of us put together.
Shrug, just a big chick in a dress.. but I have to say... the last time I saw her.. she looked smaller even though she was big? Does that make any sense? Like you see a big person, and then you see them again and you think... damn, they were a lot smaller even though they were big now it just look like they got bigger even though they already big... lol I don't know
See her face in this picture looks a little bit more slimmer
But it this picture her face got fatter/bigger
Anyway, even though she's fat/obese/overweight whatever you want to call her- I still think she has pretty face. For some reason a lot of people make it seem impossible for fat people to have a good looking face.. it's possible even if they fat.
in that first picture I guess she has what could be considered an attractive face. But her face definitely "fattened up" in the second pic. Double chin is never a good sign. Also I feel like she looks quite smug and stuck up in the second pic, although I guess runway models have a long history of looking all "serious" on the runway, so maybe she's just leaning into that a bit much.
I don't think she's model material ! There's the classic model , there's average models. But sorry she's not model material this is just gross ! Other models are not juggling or playing with their boobs on the runway it's unprofessional. Also being that huge is not healthy. There are going to be both men and women who will end up over eating and gaining unhealthy weight because of her ! Just like women who would starve themselves by becoming beleamic to become super skinny. This model could cause people to become very obese this is wrong , dangerous and unhealthy in so many ways. The modeling and fashion industry needs to get rid of her. There's hundreds of men and women trying to loose weight and work on a healthier lifestyle this woman could bring down someone's goals. People will use her as a excuse to balloon 300 -400-500 pounds and more this woman is dangerous and is being rewarded for a lifetime of bad choices
The "classic model" is generally unhealthily skinny, and causes people to starve themselves in a much more direct and dramatic way than this model will cause people to "use her as an excuse". Don't be such a hypocrite, and maybe try to realize that if people like you didn't attack any fat person in the public eye, the conversation about weight could actually focus on health rather than struggling to get people to not abuse people based on their weight (which is obviously detrimental to mental health, not that you care)
@cipher42 pointing out hypocrisy doesn't make him a hypocrite. The fashion industry will parade around whatever gets attention, and right now morbidly obese women are apparently "in". They're exploiting obesity now the same way they've exploited anorexia before. Swapping poles from one delusion to another doesn't bring balance to the world; two wrong do not make a right.
@SomeGuyCalledTom He's not pointing out hypocrisy as far as I can tell. Nowhere does he criticize the way that the "classic model" ideal causes people to develop eating disorders (far more directly than this model might cause people to gain weight- actively causing a new change rather than simply discouraging a potential one).
And sure, jumping from one not great standard to a new one isn't great. But I don't really think that using body type as a standard for health is any kind of intelligent standard at all, especially given that shaming people for their bodies detracts from mental health, which is just as important as physical (more so, imo). As such, I think it is useful to normalize overweight models, to give overweight people the representation (and thus mental health boost) they probably need. The fact is, the scales do need tipping, and the way to do that the fastest is to first put a lot of stuff on the opposite end, and then worry about the more moderate things that will actually bring balance
@cipher42 well I respect your opinion but I just don't agree, this woman is clearly on the very obese end and we should not "normalise" obesity, that's like saying we should normalise smoking ten packs of cigarettes a day because it makes chain smokers "feel more included". Mental health is of course a big part of the obesity epidemic, but the solution isn't just to tell unhealthy people "hey what you're doing is A-Okay!". It would be nice is obese people weren't bullied and scorned by mean people so much, don't get me wrong. But this whole thing of "normalisation" seems like a huge over-correction and not based in what's best for long-term health outcomes.
And obesity (ie: "body type") is the second biggest predictor of long-term health outcomes, right after smoking I believe. It's not arbitrary, the science is absolute on this. But of course when the science doesn't match the social progressive narrative, it must be downplayed so that "inclusivity" and what have you can take to the forefront. I'd rather take health advice straight from the science itself, not from what some feminists think is "representing" obesity in a positive light.
@SomeGuyCalledTom I don't think smoking is a good comparison. First off, smoking isn't an appearance, it's an action. We should discourage an unhealthy diet/lifestyle, not the appearance we associate with people who have an unhealthy diet/lifestyle. Second, there's no risk to not smoking. If smokers are shamed, it's not a bad thing if people decide to stop smoking entirely (as opposed to people deciding to stop eating).
I'm not suggesting that the solution here is to tell people that being unhealthy is 100% okay. But that's not really what people are doing here, what people are doing here is pointing out that acting like skinny=healthy is bullshit, and that if we focused on how people *actually* behave rather than how they look like they behave that'd be a much more effective way of encouraging people to be healthy.
I don't like her personality, her over sexualization of a rather benign event. I also don't think we should make people like this into role models. She's fat, she's unhealthy. Embracing her weight is doing nothing but taking more time off her life. I mean, someone finds her attractive, they may love her, and yet she's fine with killing herself and telling people it's okay if they do it too ("come on now! Everyone should drink their koolaid... now timmy, I said it was time to drink it. DRINK IT!" Is essentially how I see what she's doing).
I'm sorry, her body doesn't even look human too me anymore, every part of her body is bulging out in all the wrong ways. It almost looks like she has difficulty reaching her boobs in the boob juggle thing, and she had to wear different shoes than the other models. Please can we stop promoting this garbage? I want to reduce childhood obesity, not watch as it skyrockets ffs, this body positivity bullshit is hurting our children. During Obama childhood obesity was a problem, now because of body positivity it is not a problem and nothing needs to be done about it.
fair play to her... thing is the fashion industry and most of society has been indoctrinated to think skinny is hot and sexy and anyone with even a small amount of weight is unhealthy or ugly or both
when in fact too skinny and that too can be unhealthy...
however for all those haters, isn't it her choice how she lives her life? you all live how you wish and let people live how they do... and it's worth mentioning that just cos someone is fat doesn't mean they eat like a damned pig to excess...
I've known a lot of people over the years who barely even eat and look like they eat 10 large meals a day, most barely even bother...
I dont want this to pass on to the next generation. Childhood obesity was a problem obama tried to deal with, now liberals just want to say that it isn't a problem even though it has negative impacts on the childs health
@devilman666 not all obesity is down to over eating though this is what so many cannot understand... most of it is down to health issues and medication... medication being a case of certain meds contain substances which bloat, while others improve metabolism and others you could eat tiny amounts and yet still the weight piles on...
I have known first hand and seen how meds can mess with people's weight...
Thyroid too can go either way... Epilepsy... diabetes... mobility and depression are just a few of the medical conditions which can effect weight gain/loss, and the medications for those can either help or make worse the weight/metabolism of who is taking them while doing its' job in controlling the actual illness they are taken to treat
Medical conditions make up the minority of all obesity. What I was talking about was the people without medical conditions who simply dont put in effort to change their weight because of body positivity nonsense. If we dont make societal change then obesity could become the next societal norm.
@June871 doesn't matter whether she said it or not, the point i was making was too many people jump on things like this without knowing the person or their lives...
but fair play to her for doing what she did
@devilman666 yeah i got that but my point i stated was referring to people who hate on others cos they do not conform to how they choose to live...
childhood obesity is a serious issue regardless, as is adult obesity... however those whose obesity is caused by unhealthy eating and where no mental health or physical health issues preexist then this can be reduced by not giving them an excuse to eat healthily
you seen the cost of healthy foods? Junk food costs a fraction of what healthy food costs, and most normal non junk foods are full of additives and preservatives which can effect weight too...
certain foods and how they are treated can effect health in certain capacities
the point really is if corporations/governments and authorities wanted to stop obesity in general then they would reevaluate the cost of healthy foods while reducing the additives and manufactured preservatives added to the foods... but in order to do this the following must be don
Education on the effects of obesity, and Government/authorities/corporations and the people need to work together to make this work... cos just one or 2 party's working toward a better system isn't going to help, all must be willing
again, most countries dont have an obesity problem. Asia, such as China, Korea Japan, Singapore, Malaysia etc doesn't have an obesity problem, despite wealth. They prioritize a good diet and exercise. So does most of Europe, minus the UK. South America doesn't have an obesity problem. Africa does not either
And as someone who has a doctor as a father, even he says weight gain due to medication can be controlled and that obesity can be avoided.
depends where you are in the UK though tbh same goes for other countries, though most obesity in many countries that are an issue isn't reported as much, not that they dont have an issue it's just cos they dont ridicule those who have a larger build or bigger weight than the rest...
I think she exemplifies the worst in America. Obesity is a major contributing factor to heart disease and cancer. Two of the biggest killers of Americans. Instead of fixing it, it struts as people clap. Call it empowerment. You could say she's ebodies the worst traits of modern America.
I fully agree with the first video.
Look. We all agree that these models (Victoria secret etc) are much slimmer than the average person. Yes, fab models, but not realistic.
Tess Holliday began as a plus size model representing bigger people. She’s more than that now. She’s the other extreme.
However; the first video goes on and on about how unhealthy and how she’s not modelling the clothes etc etc. Well... neither are the skinny ones! In both cases the “clothes” are covering their intimate parts but nobody is addressing eating disorders in either case!
Crazy thought. We stop models being extreme and go for a rough middle. People are slimmer, people are bigger, life happens we don’t need models for us go “oh yeah, those clothes fit a body”
Stop this extreme hatred.
You can love yourself and not be morbidly obese. I don’t care what people say, obesity is affecting far more people than anorexia. And it’s just as likely to kill you. People as a whole need to take better care of themselves. You don’t fix an extreme problem by making another extreme problem, and why people don’t see that is beyond me.
Good for her. Also bald ripped dude is wrong. While there are models that are hired just to boost the appearance of diversity, there are definitely plus sized models who are legit models. Models were bigger in the past than the anorexic ones we see today.
That said, I want to know if her health is in a healthy weight range. Many plus size models are bigger but still not obese. Obesity is a health issue that plagues the majority of America. Love plus size individuals and that’s what the movement is about, but it’s also about ensuring that you’re healthy
There was a woman that looked like her and considered NOT obese by her doctors. There are numerous factors that play in. She was just overweight. So no, just looking doesn’t work.
why is it that those fat landwhales enter a room with physically attractive women and demand to be seen as physically attractive? they aren't. if you're fat, don't be all about physical beauty, cause that's not the field in which you're good at all... man this is dumb.
i mean her statement is litterally: look i'm WAY too fat but i still demand that you find me sexy instead of working on my body like all the other models... what a great way of showing what a shitty person you are
being self-aware sometimes helps instead of ignoring all standards. i mean i don't demant to be treated like a millionaire even though i'm not one.
I think promoting obesity is morally wrong as is normalizing it.
And premoting anorexia is not wrong?
@Smiley_face101 who is promoting anorexia?
Anorexics cost less. They need less food, less clothes, medical treatment is less and you don't need to hire a crane to bury them.
I find this and underweight models exactly the same, they are unhealthy, being underweight (bmi 18.5 and less) is worse then being obese (bmi 30.
- 34.9)
People need to understand that no extreme is healthy
@Smiley_face101 bmi is a poor guide but yeah if you look like your coming out of a concentration camp them your too thin.
Yeah, it just feels like some people worship skinny women only because they are not fat and its stupid, like I lift weights so I will never be skinny 😂
I understand that the fashion industry is trying to branch out and become more inclusive. But this is the wrong direction. Females like this should not walk the runway. This should not be promoted same way anorexia should not be promoted in this industry.
its one thing to use more diverse models but to celebrate obesity is going too far i think... also why should anyone car about her sexuality? what the hell has that got to do with her job as a clothes hanger? maybe she needs a lesson in the fact none of us give a shit rather than trying to 'shock' the world
@SomeGuyCalledTom yeah another great example of marketting strategy
I feel like she's gotten fatter... And what the hell is that video? The music is awful and even with women of multiple sizes, the poses done on the catwalk still look retarded.
And of course she's attracted to pans... Its what she cooks all her food in. That and grease...
She can't even walk properly she's morbidly obese and he personal trainer should be kicked to the curb because this bxtch is just gaining more and more weight and uses her hashtag f your beauty standards as an excuse because she's lazy and getting that dough, imagine how difficult it must be to walk with all that weight.
France and a few other places have banned women who are too skinny but this is ok
um I think tf not
She’s so gross. She doesn’t help women. If she wanted to make a good message she would start getting healthier. Show big girls that it’s okay to love yourself while you get to a healthy point in life. Not love yourself and keep treating your body like shit
Disgusting.
Let’s face the FACTS.
She’s not a model because she’s selling the clothes; because she’s beautiful.
She’s simply a “model” for the brand to say “look at us! We are “diverse.”
Just like how fashion brands go all out for pride month, and then forget it exists the next day of the next month 😂
Are most models too thin? Yes
Should normal and plus-sized women be models? Yes
Can plus-sized women still look good? Yes
But she is just too much. This is not beautiful, this is not healthy, she's not just above average, or chubby, she's just heavily obese and that is a problem and I don't think this should be promoted.
She's a poster girl for fat pride. This is disturbing, not because she is comfortable with herself (not sure how true that really is) but that she is lying to herself saying that she could possibly be within healthy limits. Wake up and put in the work to get in shape or reap the consequences of an unhealthy lifestyle.
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