I was inspired by a gaggers question earlier and wondered pregnant women for sure are given a seat but what if there was a heavy set woman that had trouble breathing and standing up... an interesting moral question...
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To be clear it's a choice, you can't give the seat to both. Only one
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I did put this as an update already and some got the spirit of the question. You are on the bus and you only have one seat, you have an overweight lady breathing heavy and struggling to stand on the left or a pregnant lady standing on the right, it's both ladies which takes out choice of gender, you choose who gets the seat, it can't be both. It's a moral delima
Would you give your seat on a bus to a pregnant woman or an overweight woman?
Not sure I follow the question. If it is asking if I would give up a seat to either, the answer is unquestionably "yes." In fact, I am an old fashioned boy and I still stand when a woman enters a room, I still hold the door for a woman and in every way I am a 19th century anachronism in a 21st century world.
On the other hand, if the question means - as the "Follow-up" seems to suggest - that I have only my seat and a pregnant woman standing to my right and an obese woman standing to my left and both are eyeing my seat, I would likely give the edge to the obese woman.
However, that is ONLY in the context of this question. The description of the obese woman suggesting that she is on the verge of a heart attack, whereas the pregnant woman is otherwise healthy. The urgent overtakes the necessary and I would assume that both I and the pregnant woman would not want someone to die just so that the latter could get a seat.
In this connection I should add that my girlfriend has been pregnant three times - we have three little munchkins - and while it is not fun, it is natural. Therefore, in extremis, it is manageable because a natural condition.
That all said, in the real world, most likely I would nod to both women and let them decide who gets the seat. It not being a requirement of good manners that I become the referee of other people's manners.
Thus, it is a good question but a contrived one. In the real world I would strike the balance according to circumstance. In the context of this question, what sounds to be a medical emergency must take precedence over a natural, albeit sometimes uncomfortable, condition.
I would give it to pregnant woman because she has another human life living inside her and too much standing up can possibly hurt the baby and she probably needs to rest her back by carrying all the weight in the front.
I would offer it to a pregnant woman. The reason for this is because the pregnant woman is carrying a baby Inside of her. And aside from that her back would be exhausted from carrying all that weight around at the front. She could miscarry or her excess standing up could hurt the baby. I understand that the overweight woman is also carrying around weight, but constantly sitting down and not moving around got her where she is at right now.
My reasoning is the pregnant woman didn't choose to willingly carry around the weight i. e she isn't purposely heavy. Whereas the overweight woman is purposely overweight, she's aware that she wouldn't have had see this day if she didn't let herself gain the weight in the first place. Whether she is having a hard time breathing or not, I would still leave her to stay standing up. She will continue to have breathing problems in the future if she doesn't stand up and get some exercise.
I'm not being mean, I'm Just helping her out. Plus she might also get offended if I offer her my seat because she'd think I was Indirectly calling her "overweight". I've seen that type of thing happen before. Also I think sitting down will make her have trouble breathing even more. Since the excess weight is being crushed together. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think an overweight person has more trouble breathing when they're sat down...
I would only give up my seat to a pregnant woman. Or if the woman is carrying an infant or toddler. But overweight woman... only if she politely asks and if I don't carry a lot of stuff with me, sure.
Yes of course. I'm an old fart, so chivalry is part of my cultural generation. Doesn't matter if she's pregnant or fat, she's a woman. I give up my seat. Da fork is wrong with young men these days obsessing about the whole feminist equality shit? If she has a vagina, give up your seat, you asshole. Act like a man.
I apologize if I was harsh in my impulsive response and offended guys. Sorry. It's just second nature to me. I'm an old guy, so I wouldn't hesitate to give up a seat to a woman regardless of her condition. It's just my generation. I learn this from my father and his father.
And I'm not saying I don't agree with you. That's why I avoided a fat male vs. a female cause I would do that too. It's a moral delima... Do you give it to the pregnant woman or the overweight woman? It's about choosing. I'd personally lean towards the overweight woman and that's if she is struggling to stand and is breathing heavy but if both woman are doing the same it makes it harder... I think this is where your point is valid and good. When there is no clear choice you offer it to the ladies and let them choose hopefully another guy will switch with them too. But it's the idea of what would you do if you had to choose between a heavy set lady with trouble standing and breathing or a pregnant woman?
Okay. I understand what you're saying now. If I had to chose, it would be a pregnant woman. The heavy set woman isn't housing a baby, so I'd give it up to the one that might have a waterfall break. I know how stressful it is for women to walk around pregnant, I couldn't handle that as a guy, difficult enough to house my mental distorders as is... add a baby inside my ass? Too much. I'm going home in a hurry to take a massive shit.
Well, regarding the specifics of your question, I’d give it to the overweight woman who is having trouble standing up and breathing. I’m not an expert but it doesn’t appear to be unhealthy or wrong for a pregnant woman to be standing up if she’s perfectly fine or capable of doing so. On the other hand, the overweight woman looks to be struggling because of her weight, so it’s more dire for her to take the seat as opposed to the pregnant woman. Just because a woman is pregnant doesn’t mean she’s automatically incapable of doing mundane things. Just because a woman is pregnant doesn’t mean it’s automatically a fact that she cannot stand up for a few minutes on a bus.
For pregnant woman of course-- although it's not always apparent from looking, as she may be in early stages, and I wouldn't wanna assume pregnancy only to realise she just fat lol.
The fat woman struggling to stand... well, if she is visibly struggling to remain upright, then she might as well be considered disabled, so I'd offer my seat same as I would for someone on crutches etc. But if she's just a fat woman and just kinda… standing there... then I'm not gonna assume disability on her part by offering a seat. I'd feel like that's me saying to her "look I see how fat you are, so let's draw attention to it by giving you the magical seat!", I'd feel like that's imposing on her dignity or something-- if I were in her shoes I'd probably keep stoic and self-reliant and just wait for a seat to open up naturally like everyone else would.
I'm done with giving my seat to a pregnant lady if she asked politely. If she is some trailer trash bitch carrying her baby daddy's kid then no she can fuck off. The over weight cunt is a complete fucking joke. No I'm not going to give up my seat because some fat bitch decided she wanted to visit McDonalds 7 days a week. I fucking hate fat people because it shows how they're lazy cunts who dont take the time to actually care for their bodies. The ones that really piss me off are the girls who think being morbidly obese is attractive. No you stupid fuck, being so fat your legs want to fucking snap is in goddamn attractive. Eat a fucking salad for once. Standing on the train might actually give them some insight into how fucking repulsive their body is.
Yes to the pregnant woman is she visually looked like she was struggling. Some pregnant women are doing way better than me physically and work out every day. I have chronic fatigue so sometimes I need the seat and sometimes I feel good enough to help someone else out.
Pregnant lady could miscarry by falling and most guys are pretty hard wired to help a pregnant woman over a woman who doesn’t appear pregnant. I’d help the pregnant lady, I have a hip injury and have issues standing too so the overweight woman is on her own in my case.
Yes and no. Yes if you're visibly in some kind of pain. Elderly, yes. Pregnant and overweight, no. I'd ask first (if I'm not in pain). Aside from that people should be aware that it's more of a comfort issue than courtesy issue. I've seen where pregnant and heavy people do not want to sit down. I've seen some elderly people rather stand too. The issue with them is getting back up. But one should know not to expect to get a seat in a public place where everyone paid the same amount to get on. You know what you're in for
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To the pregnant one, of course. To the overweight one, of course. Why? Because if we're in an accident her (or him) being in the aisle is just gonna be a problem by, in essence, blocking the route. If they're in a seat they're hypothetically out of the way.
I’d probably offer it to any woman in general but I wouldn’t beg her to take it if she said no thank you.
If it was a guy and my stop was close I’d offer it up. If the guy was elderly or overweight I’d ask him how far his stop was and depending on the answer I’d offer my seat.
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The pregnant woman is carrying a child. Now, if the overweight woman was only slightly overweight she probably wouldn’t need to sit down. I’d let her take my spot if her breathing was extremely bad though it probably would have nothing to do with her being overweight. If she was extremely overweight I would give up my seat too but I would feel a little sad that she (most likely) put herself in that position, excluding the people with health issues.
ATTENTION SNOWFLAKES AND SOCIAL JUSTICE WARRIORS...
Men and women are equal. Yes? Chivalrous acts are insulting to women. Yes? Women dont need men. Yes?
Ok then. Why would that guy be demonized by the other riders for sitting there for the next 25 blocks? I thought we agreed that women need nothing from a man.
Personally, i would only give my seat to the preggo. In my world, you cannot eat your way into my soft side.
Of the two, the one who has note ambulatory problems. I know of some overweight people who can hardly move. I have seen women get in their car and drive to the hospital while in labor. Well, not actually leave their house and drive, just pull in and walk to the elevator to get to Labor & Delivery
I would give up my seat for either one. If they both were on the bus at the same time, I'd let them decide who gets to sit. To me, it wouldn't matter if they're pregnant or not, overweight or not. I was taught to give a seat to ANY woman.
The pregnant woman. The other will benefit from the exercise of standing up. It's also unfair on the people who have to sit in the fat people person's sweat after she alights the bus
I would give my seat to any woman, or child in any establishment, Transportation vehicle, waiting room etc. Size , age , reason should not matter Being a Gentleman should come natural...
If I had to pick between the two, obviously the pregnant women gets it. Other than that, I usually would offer my seat to elderly or someone who looks tired - regardless of their weight.
I say both and if a pregnant woman looks very very fit - like she is less than 1 months in or has insanely good genes - I might not even give up my seat for her.
I don't think I would look at an overweight woman and think oh I should give her my seat. Pregnant women on the other hand, there is just an innate desire to take care of them. Plus I wouldn't want to offend the overweight woman
That is an interesting one but mines more in line with the burden of weight. They both are carrying weight and likely are both struggling the same as the other, mainly in terms of their weight. I honestly could see myself giving it to the heavy set lady if she is struggling to stand and breathing heavy. Although you do make a good point, older ladies at that weight make better candidates but if the pregnant lady was not struggling and she was confidently holding herself up by the bar without struggle it would go to the heavy set one
The answer is pretty obvious, i would give it to either the pregnant women or keep it. The pregnant women has a child within her and the need to protect said child. Tge fat women on the other hand has less to loose by standing even compared to me, soneone who is very skinny/boney. Or more including callories.
I would give my seat to the pregnant lady, no doubt. She's carrying another precious life inside her body. I give my seat to pregnant women, people carrying toddlers and old people.
Which is in most need of the seat? The offer weight woman clearly does but you don't say what condition the pregnant woman is in. Maybe you can shame someone else for a second seat.
Pregnant, yes 100%. Overweight... Well, if she can walk to get to the bus then she can stand to lose a couple calories standing up still. between the two; pregnant woman always.
For a pregnant woman, yes. For an elderly woman, yes. But if she is young and fat then chances are she made poor life decisions to get that way. She NEEDs to stand and walk around more.
Yes, it's called being selfish. You want me to work for something that you want with nothing in return. That's selfishness. "you're mother" - No, I'm not. Don't say retarded shit like that. Do you even speak English? "she should've misscarried you" - Myself? I'm not a "she" and I can't miscarry myself. Please don't smoke that shit before writing anyone. "you don't respect women" - Another untrue claim about me. You must be surrounded be tards where you live if you think you can get away with saying these dumb things. Do you even think before you speak? Did you think you'd seem smart? "you're asses" - No, I'm not. I'm human, and only one. What language are you speaking? "we need people in this world" - Let me guess you're from "one of those overpopulated places". "we Just don't need people in this world like YOU" - Without people like me you wouldn't even have invented the rock.
Pregnant? In a heartbeat. Plain overweight? Not if she was on the floor crying. I'm big and tall and nobody would ever give their seat up for me, so why should I? Because she's a woman?
I’d give it to a pregnant woman in a heartbeat. I’d never give it to an overweight person
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Pregnant woman. Easy. The real question is how mad I would be if I went to give it to the pregnant woman and the overweight woman swooped in and took it. I would not be happy.
based on the previous answers, the overweight woman, someone else can give up their seat to the pregnant woman, it's seems likely that a pregnant woman would be offered a seat,
I wouldn't give my seat to anyone because I have back problems and standing hurts me too. But since I own a car this isn't ever an issue since I don't use public transportation.
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