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Well, i know Sen Bernie Sanders , got a lot against him
but i believe he is the only Democratic Presidential Candidate
whose worked has hard to make word to American people that
we need a change , all the money being spent on Wall Street is
being put in the hands of politicians , see no politicians have the
nerve to admit this being the truth but it's true according to Sanders
nope i don't want World War III and i don't want War among people
of the United States of America but it can very well easily happen
everyday United States has shootings in many States , School
Shootings, White police officers shooting innocent Black people
yes it's time for change for sure :/
I totally agree with you. You guys are so lucky to have Sen Sanders don't screw it up for yourselves like my public did over here with Corbyn, we had one chance to vote our equivalent to Sanders in, but they chose Johnson- think I know how that's gonna turn out. -_-
Thanks For Most Helpful Guy :)
Yes i do agree with you :)
No problem.
Quite frankly, you're one of a minority of people I see on G@G not bought over by Trump's discriminatory rhetoric, his childish attitude. I see so many people on here blinded by Trump- they can't see Trump isn't for them, he's only for himself and the elites.
Sanders is the one for all. And he has my full support from the UK. He should be the presidential candidate- even me and a friend were discussing that today in college. And if it unfortunately isn't him, then the next best option in my eyes, is Liz Warren.
Biden in my opinion, is just another version of Clinton, and if you peel the layers deep down there ain't no difference between Clinton and Trump.
Yeah i agree i do believe Sanders or Liz Warren should get the nominees
Biden has aged and he got to think in order to get his words out?
"Biden has aged and he got to think in order to get his words out?"
Can you just explain what you mean by that? So I can have a clearer understanding. :)
Biden starts talking and stumbles over his words , watch the Presidential Candidate Debates
Oh right, I don't usually watch the debates, I just tend to read about them, and see what TYT have to say about them.
But I should start watching them for myself, I usually read about them because it's faster to read considering the amount of college work I have to do ;P
Well i think with age that is why Joe Biden seems to stumble over his words.
the people and UK Labour party doesn't want war... but those who are the Capitalist elite who stand to profit from such an atrocity crave it...
Totally agreed.
The people harmed in war won't matter to the Capitalist elite, it's not their kids which will be affected.
Actually tell a lie, the Capitalist elite's children will be affected. They'll profit from this, making their own pockets heavier without a second thought for everyone else unnecessarily harmed.
I agree with your pictorial thesis.
Unfortunately the U. S. has been there/done that.
It's becoming a bad bad habit.
thank you for the mho!
No worries :)
Nobody wants war but ISIS, and it’s what will happen if Trump doesn’t keep his dumb mouth shut.
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Okay, what is the point of this? Now ignoring the fact that Obama and all those politicians who are claiming trump is doing something wrong were perfectly fine with war in the middle east (as Obama bombed eight different nations, toppled governments (still not sure why he toppled Libya's government)), we have the issue that Trump has stated he doesn't want a war. We also know that Trump did not fire the first shot in this. Iran attacked the US first, has been attacking the US and Trump retaliated. They shot down our drone and he let it slide, he called them out but refused to get violent when they started hijacking ships.
They then attack our embassy and he hits back and now TRUMP is the monster here? TRUMPS the war monger? I'm sorry but this is absurd and intellectually dishonest and you and every other democrat pulling this crap knows it. You dont' have to agree with his decision to strike back but stop acting as if he is the war monger as he has actively avoided war with them even as they become more brazen in their attacks against us (and lets stop pretending Iran, the Shah when he took over mass murdered his political adversaries and they currently (the Iranian government (not to be confused with the Iranian people) fund terrorism all through out the middle east, are some how innocent victims, they are not).
No one wants war, I think least of all Trump who has actively avoided it and given Iran every possible option to avoid it and even now he is avoiding war. So lets stop playing this stupid game where the left makes up a bunch of things that are provably false simply because they don't like him (I swear this is getting insane and is going to back fire horribly for the left).
I get the arguments against wars, but they're illogical in this situation.
But if there's an alternative to war, I'm all ears.
We've all seen how patient America was considering Iran's assaults on America's allies, troops and resources in foreign lands, the embassy attack was the last straw as it had taken American lives.
You don't know how much of a shit place Iran is, how its leaders are the most evil people on the planet, if they had the balls to attack America itself, then they're an enormous threat to the entire world.
Iran surely isn't a better place than America, so all its attempts to conquer are surely evil and despicable in every way shape or form, so they can't ever justify the things they do and must be shut down.
And don't worry, if innocents get hurt, it would be Iran killing its own people in public instead of in private like it always does, America (especially Trump) would not bring themselves a bad name by staining their hands with innocent blood.
America was starting to look weak and disabled, that's not America, America doesn't get shit on by 3rd world countries :/
Or actually I take most of what I said back.
War isn't gonna happen, don't fall for what the media says, please follow your own beliefs and do your own research, not take it freshly baked from a liberal's oven.
I do follow my own beliefs. I don't support AOC, Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Ilhan Omar, Rashida Talib, and Ayanna Pressley just because they're "liberals". I follow them because of what they say and quite frankly I agree with it.
You say Trump is the closest thing we have to our Islamic beliefs. However, I don't see what is Islamic about ignoring the poor and homeless in your own country. In Islam we help the less fortunate, not rob them and fill our own bellies but leave them straving. Islam wouldn't condone the American healthcare system because of the ridiculous amounts of money it charges- putting people who can't afford that kind of money in difficult positions. You can't put a price on looking after somebody's life. Whoever they are, you save one human you save all of humanity, you kill one human, you kill all of humanity.
Trump told AOC, Ilhan Omar, Rashida Talib and Ayanna Pressely to "go back" meaning "go back to where you come from" because they criticise him. That's a racist phrase, I've only ever heard that phrase been used in one context- a racist context implying that because someone looks different to someone else- they do not belong in a country and that is the exact context Trump used it in.
Trump is for profit and greed. He hands to rich, and takes from the poor. Not to mention that time he mocked police brutality against African Americans.
In Islam we can't be racist. Firstly because we're all children of Allah regardless of our race and because we have Muslim brothers and sisters of all ethnic backgrounds.
Your only argument for not supporting the people I support is because they happen to support LGBTQ+ rights.
This is my opinion on war
OF RAGE AND WAR (Savatage)
You got Libya you got the Russians
You got civilian planes crashing to the oceans
Airports full of terrorists
Nazi skins anarchists
When are they gonna learn
Better listen to me you son of a bitch
Better disarm those missiles sleeping in the ditch
You have no goddamn right to do the things you do
The world would be a better place if we were rid of you
Of rage and war, Of rage and war
Of rage and war, Of rage and war
Every country's got the bomb
The scientists are working on
Chemical weapons to melt the flesh
With no source of defense
Shoot me I'll shoot you
Like there's nothing better to do
Who's the loser in the end
Better listen to me you son of a bitch
Better disarm those missiles sleeping in the ditch
You have no goddamn right to do the things you do
The world would be a better place if we were rid of you
Of rage and war, Of rage and war
Of rage and war, Of rage and war
WWIII would never start over an insignificant country like Iran. Anyone talking about that as a possibility is smoking crack. Most of those that would fight on Iran’s side are in the Islamic world and they have all been decimated by previous wars and the Arab spring. Their alliances have been dismantled and they are in a very weak position. If America were to attack them they would not stand a chance. Even if America attacked the entire Islamic world at once without any of the previous conflicts that were orchestrated by America, America would win a conventional war relatively easily with very few casualties relative to those of the enemies. Occupying the territory long term would be futile though. America has been interested in territorial expansion since we first colonized north America though so that’s not really an issue. You’d likely see regime change to some sort of democracy and a temporary security force. As an American I have no issue with Iranians. I’m not looking for war, but that doesn’t mean it won’t happen. Very powerful people want it to happen, so it will likely happen. If it doesn’t happen under Trump, it will happen under the next president even if it’s some gay left wing minority socialist. That’s just how things happen in America. It was planned over 20 years ago. I doubt those plans will be canceled. The entire middle east has been a mess since Great Britain fell apart after WWII. Being a super power we got handed the bag of shit. We’ve been working on changing the situation since the turn of the millennium.
I think it would be a great idea if you posted a MyTake about why a war wouldn't happen, stating the reasons and the details.
Too many people are falling for these liberal lies and it's just sad lol.
@Syrian_survivor I’m not into writing mytakes… I don’t think a World War would start over a conflict between the USA and Iran, but I do think eventually the USA and Iran will fight. It could be soon or it could be in 5 or 10 years. The USA has overwhelming military power. Typical what happens is that we crush a conventional military very quickly due to far more advanced technology and way better trained and more experienced soldiers... Then stragglers turn to guerrilla warfare taking pot shots at American patrols while they wait for a government to be established so that we can leave and go home. In Iran I don’t know if it makes as much sense due to the culture. The Iranians banded together to overthrow the Shah in 1979 so it would be tough to influence that population to accept a newly installed government. We’d have a lot of instability and rebels to deal with. That said, war hawks in the USA seem to want it anyway. So I assume it will happen eventually and more Americans will spend years maintaining order with pointless patrols after initially dominating the conventional military. When we leave with some sort of government installed people will act like we lost or something because they don’t understand that most war isn’t about annexing territory. If we attacked Iran it would be more so to change the government to transfer power away from the religious leaders to the people of Iran. That could assist in steering trade of oil towards the west, enforce military access and possible fleet basing rights, be a show of strength, and open trade for western companies during reconstruction, etc. With Iran’s oil wealth and western influence in development they could become an emerging market. But before any of that happens they’d have to be pacified with a bunch of patrols like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDvugsSjI6s
War isn’t something I’m for, as it is truly terrible. But I’m also not for endless appeasement, which - depending on the adversary - basically is going to cost quite a few lives in the long run.
A simple example: iran and Israel are archenemies. Iran frequently states their intention to wipe out Israel and has been building up their army inside Syria. Israel bombs them every week or so on a dozen targets. Sure, people die with that. But it is to prevent a far greater threat from existing. Apparently pretty much no innocent die tho (not sure though).
To be fair, if you’re the US or any clearly dominant military in an area, you can do whatever you want for the most part. The mere prospect of destruction is enough to prevent war. Hence, I do not expect this to become an actual war. We’ve also seen quite a bit of restraint on Trump’s side when it comes to retaliation against the Iranians in 2019 when the Iranians decides to have some tankers explode, shoot down US drones or generally threatening, so I wouldn’t expect much from him either.
This guy, Soleimani, in my opinion should have been assassinated years ago. But he’s gone now. Seems most probable that Israel will pay the price for that, but almost anything that Iran can pull off is worth that guy being gone.
Say the Iranians launch a few dozen missiles at a US base, if it were up to me I would not escalate that to full-scale war, as it likely is going along with an insignificant number of casualties.
We’ve seen far greatee number of casualties between Iran and USA sparring (such as in Beirut bombings) and nothing happening
The question I'm going to ask next is:
A) Has Iran actually attacked Israel?
B) Why does Iran say this about Israel?
I'm going to assume it's because of the ongoing Israel/Palestine conflict- as for that, I personally think both states should have the right to exist and their should be a peaceful two state solution where nor one attacks another- and both Israelis and Palestinians have equal rights.
" Say the Iranians launch a few dozen missiles at a US base, if it were up to me I would not escalate that to full-scale war, as it likely is going along with an insignificant number of casualties."
I agree.
Honestly, I doubt whether the other nations actuallt give a crap about the Palestinians in the Middle East.
We can just see that from the state on how Palestinians are treated in Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and Egypt. They say they support the Palestinians in everything, but they’ve had refugee status since the 1940s with their governments doing pretty much nothing to help them.
Regarding Iran. The threat is two-fold.
Firstly, it is a pretty well-established fact they’ve helped Hezbollah build up an arsenal of 100k missiles. Allegedly, they also provided anti-air arms, but I’m not very sure about that.
The main threat is actually from Hezbollah. Iran can set up stuff in Syria, but the Golan heights basically are a natural barrier against anything but missiles.
Secondly, they did launch missiles at Israel a few times. This is once (https://www. theguardian. com/world/2018/may/09/iran-fires-20-rockets-syria-golan-heights-israel).
That said, it is more about Iran constantly threatening to destroy Israel and pledging to do so, which leads to Israel not wanting to take any risks with that growing presence in Syria.
There was also apparently this planned drone attack on Israel they foiled: www.nytimes.com/.../...killer-drones-in-syria.html
Obviously, it is all ‘Israel claims that it was Iranian’ but Iran is not really hiding their intentions and nobody really claims the stuff is of anybody that is not Syria (who gets arms from Iran and is in war with Israel) or Iran
Basically, the logic from the Israelis is this.
If it is clear that someone wants to wipe you out, they happen to place a lot of weapons in a place they can easily attack you from, you are better trying to prevent that build-up and prevent a very large war
Do note that Israel can actually bomb accurately enough when planning weeks in advance to hit an airfield. Hence afaik there are not really random civilians being blown up.
And so far it has not spiralled into a larger war.
Lebanon would be an entirely different story
No of course I don't want war but the guy that Trump killed was planning a world wide strike on every American embassy and this guy is the one who was reasonable for Bengazi embassy attack. This man was reasonable for killing over 600 American soldiers, not to mention his own people, he was a down right evil man. In fact this guy is also the same guy reasonable for the last embassy attack that happened not to long ago.
A couple things should be noted.
1# This guy had to be taken out if his world wide embassy attack would have happened that would be an act of war against the United States. By killing him in Baghdad where he shouldn't have been we prevented a war from happening.
2# If this guy had made it back to Iran we wouldn't have been able to touch him at least not for quite a while.
3# Trump didn't need congress's approval to take him out and Trump has concrete proof of what this guy has done and was planning to do. It was the right move.
Correct! He doesn't need congress approval to strike confirmed terrorists.
I'm from Serbia, Balkan, Eastern Europe. My country had two civilian wars and bombing in 1999 by the USA and NATO. I'm getting rage every time when anyone only mentions the war. If anybody sees unhappy kids and terrified people that remains forever. This World doesn't need any more wars. We all need peace, not just between the countries, but between ourselves. Enough with people who lose their own families for good of the military machinery and people full of money who just want more of it no matter what's cost. Costs lives, happiness and the future for some future kids.
The Iranians have been at war with us since the regime took over with several embassy bombings and blowing up airliners. They target civilians. We take out a terrorist that’s been directly responsible for hundreds of American deaths and our pathetic liberals are crying about it. Who’s side are you on? I didn’t hear any crying when Bin Laden was taken out. The president hasn’t said anything about war, troops, regime change or anything else. But he did say “you kill Americans and we’ll kill you” unlike pussy Obama that was giving them money to not build nuclear weapons that they were anyway. I’d like to know how would a liberal handle American deaths by terrorists.
Do I want war? No. War is generally to be avoided— death is not a good thing, after all.
I feel like I don’t quite know all that is going on behind the scene’s though to say whether or not the assassination was the right choice or not.
I’m ultimately still holding out on whether to condemn or approve the assassination. Trump seems to have remained pretty vague on the reasoning behind it.
Again, everything is once again drenched in partisan politics. It’s why politics suck. All the Dem nominees naturally condemn Trump’s actions. All (or at least most?) of the Right leaders seemingly condone Trump’s actions.
I’m still unsure myself. Haven’t done sufficient research on the matter, and I feel like the dominoes are still falling.
I do not really want war, but I'd be the first to sign up if it means I can get back in the military. As for WW3, that wouldn't happen. That is all hype. It would be a regional conflict. Europe would not get involved. Iran's only ally that MIGHT fight against us is Pakistan. Iraq would not risk military conflict with us so soon after the war. The conflict would range from USA vs. Iran to USA/Israel/Saudi Arabia vs Iran/Pakistan. Our military tactics and weapons are far superior to Iran and Pakistan, even we fought both with just us. China and Russia have no reason to fight in this war. So, it would NOT be a world war, but just a regional conflict. Even if Europe joined (due to Iran scrapping the deal) they would ally with the US, which would spell instant doom for Iran.
Nah. But war is good for business and we have a bunch of greedy, blood sucking corporations that have there hands in the front pants of the politicians and especially trump jerking them towards war... so of course it is inevitable. Its sad that millions of men and women will be caught up in, but none of trump's children will get that opportunity to serve, nor will trump. You know what, this should go into the older days. If you are the "leader" of the nation, you should take your troops to war and be on the front lines.. it should be a law. And dont come back til you won... all leader. So select members of the senate as well, since they are the ones that can declare war... that's what thet did in the Roman Empire.
Indeed. It's easy to go war while you are sitting and eating a steak dinner in the White House being protected day and night.
Slugs it out like the kings of old did on the battle field..
well sadly we have learned, that humans forget the horrors of war over the time of a few generations. so the last generation that did actually fight in a war is pretty much all dead now. meaning there's most certainly a big one coming up. humanity just needs this lesson over and over again, cause humans are too stupid to learn this lesson.
it's an endless vicious circle. peace lets people get dumber and weaker till they forget and become unconscious. being unconscious is dangerous. it breeds aggression. agression breeds war. war makes people grow hard and smart. more conscious. able to end the war. but then there's peace and that where the circle starts over...
that's what we know from history. those that know can only watch and cry. there's nothing we can to. stupidity takes overhand. just look who's the president of the US... the litteral personification of "stupid".
@Asker- you really think this doesn’t look extremely biased? Notice you put only left wing bs statements here for everyone to help make up their minds... lol right! Nothing like some objectivity in your so called “questions”... like anyone here doesn’t see right through this.. typical , when considering the source. You’re only causing more needless division and pot stirring... lol
I only put left-wing stuff up? Well firstly, I have Trump contridicting himself, secondly, I happen to agree with everything said by these people- so why wouldn't I have their quotes up there? Thirdly I would have quoted our right-wing Prime-Minister but it ain't my fault he hasn't said anything about the matter,
+ from the most left-filled website ever, twitter.
Love how y'all are ignoring Trump's tweets from a few years ago ;)
"only tweets"
Lol, so Trump's twitter means nothing?
^throw twitter away, whether it's Trump, liberals, or republicans talking, find a better more reliable news source, like the freenet.
Seriously, twitter is a joke in all ways, Trump is going with the joke as well I presume.
@Syrian_survivor War isn't something to joke about. It ruins lives.
Say that to the liberals talking about war 24/7
Is there solid evidence that Trump will start a war? No
You don't want war? Don't provoke it, don't talk about it on social media
You take that shit to the government, you take it to congress, to the United Nations for example, you take it to whatever legal circle that might help and take your valid points and arguments as a respected politician
You dont cry about it on twitter, you're just leading the masses against each other because we all know that the people raging won't change anything, it'll only turn them against each other and create conflict between the American people.
Only strong valid points can make a change in America, it's not a 3rd world country to be led, changed, or even shook by protest.
@Syrian_survivor These people I have quoted, haven't joked about war in the slightest. And if anything Trump has put international citizens at risk, the video I posted above sums up everything perfectly.
I honestly can't think of why you support Trump- a part of his campaign was banning Muslims from America😂
Oh you wanna talk religion huh?
Let me hit your sensitive spot here.
Democrats don't support religion, they're fully against it, it's against their ideologies.
They only pretend to support it so they can get the support of religious people which is why they're supporting every minority they can find, so they can try getting the American throne, to technically rule the world afterwards because the USA is the greatest power on the planet.
Trump is the one celebrating Christmas saying MERRY Christmas this year instead of saying "happy holidays", he's the conservative keeping religion and tradition in place, he makes sure the country's tradition isn't swayed, including religion itself.
How can dems support religion AND the LGBTQ community? It doesn't make any sense right? Religion does not work with LGBTQ, democrats just wanna try getting as much support from as many minorities as possible so they can get to the oval office, they don't love them, they have no reason to and there is no emotion in political business, no matter the politicians, it's all a race to get to the highest power, president.
Do you honestly think they love their people? Because that's exactly what they want you to think, friend, which is why they already got your support :/
When you give people validation, you can manipulate them.
I might not agree with some of Trump's points and actions, but he's the last line of defense for us religious conservative people, if democrats take over, especially at this day and age, religion worldwide is gonna die harder than it ever did.
Do you want that?
And let's be honest, we Muslims have brought nothing to foreign countries other than chaos because we're so uncivilized, because our culture is stupid and doesn't know how to receive Islam, the religion of peace and order, properly.
@Syrian_survivor They way I see it, the ones I support, Sanders, Warren, AOC, Ilhan Omar, Rashida Talib, Ayanna Pressely- are live and let live.
You can support the rights of religious people and the LGBTQ+ community. Doesn't mean you have to agree with it, but we should learn to be civil with each other at the very least. That's what the people I support push for.
If Trump had it his way, and the majority of his supporters had it their way- you and I wouldn't even be allowed into America.
@SpiderManFan2002 you can't support both of their rights, what will schools teach anymore? You can't have all kinds of people mixed together in peace, people want to raise their children in an environment which is suitable for their lifestyle and standards, otherwise the children will go astray and everyone's standards would diminish and die, religions would die as their teachings are against gays and atheists which are a big portion of American people these days, do you think they'd accept that? I think not, it would either kill religion or create conflict between the American people, we don't see much of it today though because Christianity is already dying there.
As Muslims, we are to support Trump as our standards and ideologies are the closest to his.
I know he's not the best, but he's the best we can get.
@Syrian_survivor Yes you can. In my previous school and even at my college now, we have (well this is what I know of anyways) Muslims, Christians, Sikhs, Hindus, Atheists, Agnostics, members of the LGBTQ+ community- we all get along just fine.
My religion may disagree with homosexuality, but that doesn't mean I don't think LGBTQ+ individuals shouldn't have rights. What they do in private is up to them, if they're pleasant to me, I'll be pleasant to them- it's that simple. I couldn't care less about anyone's religious belief, non-religious belief, race, sexuality, gender identity etc. I have my belief, they have theirs. As long as we respect each other and our beliefs, that doesn't mean we have to agree with each other, but if we are mature enough to accept each other it should be just fine.
My secondary school taught us about a various range of things. They taught us about Christianity, Islam, Sikhism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism, and they taught us about LGBTQ+ rights. It never hurt anyone, to learn about someone different to you.
@SpiderManFan2002 that's just you and some other people because you're thoughtful and you're raised on a solid base, other children would be easily strayed from the path their parents want them to be in, and they wouldn't wanna risk their child's future jusy because of equality, love, and peace.
At what age did you get to the UK may I ask?
@Syrian_survivor I was born and raised in England. I've never been outside of England.
And it's not "just me." It's really not that hard to teach your children about religion, and why it doesn't condone practices such as LGBTQ+ because religion believes in procreation and two people of the same sex cannot procreate, or if you've had a sex change you can't procreate, but none the less they're still human beings and we must respect them and their belief even if our religion does not agree with it.
How do you know other kids will "stray away?" And you know what if their child does turn out to be LGBTQ+, or converts to another religion, while religion may disagree remember- God gave us freewill, it's up to us what we do with our lives, we can only educate people about our way of life, explain to them why this is our way of life, but we can't force it upon someone who doesn't want it. If someone converts to a different religion or is LGBTQ+ that's their relationship or non-relationship with God, and only God can judge them- not us.
@SpiderManFan2002 with cultures mixed, temptations will be more available and chances of straying are greatly increased.
I'm a Muslim, I pray all my prayers, I go to the mosque, and I'm commited to my religion.
But even in Syria itself, some temptations have really challenged my faith, and I don't think every Muslim will be able to handle them the way I did.
Most of my friends who travelled abroad have easily slipped off and did the worst things because they were surrounded by different people and the environment wasn't so religiously safe anymore.
Many parents wouldn't take that chance, I know I wouldn't even though I trust that I'll raise my children the best way possible.
@Syrian_survivor I say as a Muslim living in a society with different cultures who accept things such which my religion would see as haram- has actually made me a better Muslim.
Take alcohol for example. When I turn 18, I could legally buy alcohol and drink it despite it being against my religion. But I don't want to. Even though the temptation is there, I'm resisting it because my religion tells me so. Legally there's no barrier to me drinking alcohol once I turn 18, I know it'll be avaliable to me at any time but I don't want it not because the law tells me so, but because my religion tells me so.
People slip off, that's their choice. And no, as a Muslim I don't condone that, but at the same time I'm not going to judge them for it. It's their relationship with Allah, their Jihad (Jihad meaning struggle to be a perfect Muslim), and all I can do is hope they find the path of God themselves once again. They don't need God forced upon them and they don't need to shamed and judged- they need to find God themselves, and if they don't- well, it's their Jihad.
Iran poses a serious threat to the entire region and needs to be dealt with. It is also well on it's way to develop nuclear weapons, and is a major sponsor and instigator of worldwide terrorism. I notice you're quoting a lot of socialists with no credibility or knowledge whatsoever.
Nice question but you're wasting your time
there are 3 types of right-wingers here
1 morons who only get their news from Fox and only know the Right's version of the truth.
2 slimeballs who don't remotely care about what's morally right or wrong... in Trump they trust to bring back the days where abusing your "lippy" wife and lynching blacks were ok
3 the cowardly white boys who want to us the fact that many helpless brown people will die as jerk off fuel since they are so frightened and impotent in their own lives
NONE of them care about the consequences of Trump's act of war
I don't want a war, but I favor assassination of terrorists and other evil leaders. If I had been President I'd have assassinated a lot more than just that one guy.
There are quite a few other dictators or terrorists around the world I'd assassinate if I were president.
And no, the President doesn't need congressional approval to act against Pirates and Terrorists... that's part of the definition of his fucking office.
did you see this trump vid from 2011?
https://www.youtube.com/embed/9QdBPP7nMfII didn't actually until you showed me that, Trumpbots won't look at that though.
yes i SEE all the fear mongering... about the future which in trump time did not lead to war. just fear mongering for political agenda.
now biden is doing the same risks and ignoring those ideas... warnings that his own party said and they are SILENT despite the criticism applies to biden because they were NEVER sincere against war... they just lied to make trump look bad before he did any war.
War is always about angry old men and send millions of young men in their teens or 20s possibly 30s to fight and die in war instead of sending millions of men to the front and fight to death the politicians should grab a gun and deal it themselves not send millions of people to be killed
yes! please support our troops by going to war. give them something to do
but it won't be a war. it will be a 10 year presence paid by taxpayers and an inflated military budget for no reason. did this quasimoto guy die? who knows, but if you didn't see it happen you can't believe what you hear on the news.
it's my belief that these meetings around the world every year is just a way of discussing who will war with who come election time
Yes I do. I believe its about time. We have not have a good war since the 1940s.
What better way to reduce the population of the world. Its a legal genocide.
They should have the war on US soil. Level some of them over populated cities. Maybe take out some communist democrats that trying to kill the US in the 1st place.
Look at it this way, Iran is and has always been the biggest state sponsor of terror, millions or Iranians live under a brutal radical Islamic regime, and they attacked us most recently by proxy force. A embassy is united states soil, and they instigated and attack on us. We don't need a war, we need to get rid of their regime and or komeni.
Are we supposed to let this war go on indefinitely?
Iv always been for removing Iran be it Obama or trump.
I'm not going to comment on Iran's laws, because I haven't been for myself, and I don't know anyone who's lived there, therefore, I can't say whether their laws are radical or not, I don't know enough about it to comment on that.
And if Iran attempted to invade and take over America, then I could see why war may be an option.
But Iran haven't attacked America, so I see no need for a war. I may not agree with Iran in terms of what I've heard about their human rights laws, but it's their country that's for them to sort out.
Imagine hundreds of years ago, when women, POC, non-Christians, and other minorities didn't have rights in the West and a more developed country who gave everyone their rights existed. How would have we learned if they attacked us, and decided to "wipe us off the map?"
We wouldn't have.
@Chimken So why didn't Trump attack in 2016 when he got into office? Why now? It seems to mean they're using that as an excuse to attack Iran. And what proof do you have to suggest he did plan an attack on the American embassy?
I just think right now, is definitely not the time to be escalating wars. Trillions of dollars wasted on war when we've got starving people around the world, homeless people, people without an education, on one hand- they claim that they haven't got enough money to invest in the public. i. e. free healthcare, free university education- yet on the other they're okay with wasting trillions on war?
I mean war right now, is especially dangerous considering the climate. Look at how Australia is burning down, yet you're telling me the biggest concern as of now is war?
They have two trillion dollars to waste on war but they can't give you basic stuff for free?
How are you not seeing this?
Because Benghazi happened 4 years prior and he was dealing with a shit ton of other things? As you can clearly see military action comes with negative opinion. Even though Soleimani more than deserved it for all the deaths he's responsible for, everything comes with backlash. There were even people who criticized the killing of bin laden. Trump dropped a M. O. A. B on some ISIS terrorists in Afghan and people cried about it. Also first we didn't attack Iran, the strike happened in Iraq, second tons of CIA intelligence. This shit has been known for a while. That's what Soleimani does, the dude works with terrorists. You're from the UK anyway so mind your business. The US doesn't owe anyone aid, but if you kill our people we will kill yours. You only have a problem when the US does something back. The Iranians started this shit. Rogue nations like them need to be taught a lesson
I don't want war but I've found that peace might not be possible without war. In general, not in this timeframe per say but war is the response to a bully. Not to go looking for a fight but to respond to a fight and stop it
The USA killed a statesman in a foreign state. This is a clear declaration of war.
But there won't be an "ordinary" one. The Iran is a master in asymmetric warfare and proxy wars. He pays terrorists and arms militia all over the Middle East. The USA and Israel will loose a lot because of this attack.
The Iran might be the bad guy. But Trump and his government seem to be the irresponsible Kids someone gave the fuse.
No, I don't want war. It doesn't seem like Trump wants a war either. Going to war, at this point in his presidency, would be political suicide. If you watch the BBC's coverage on Trump's decision to take out that Iranian guy with a drone strike; it really was a solid tactical move. I doubt that Trump will go to war
There is strong Isralei influence in the United States as well as Saudi influence both countries hate Iran to the core and they use our soldiers to fight as mercenaries also they claim bombs are good for jobs and multinational corporation to get a nice cut especially the defense contractors but also oil interest.
The American citizens never want war we just get tricked into it.
I can't see why the majority of the American citizens would want war. It's going to be their kids which go out and fight and potentially die, meanwhile the children of people like Trump will benefit from these wars because it means more profit.
Well in peacetime serving in the military is a pretty good gig
As far as benefits and pay his concert
I wouldn't pray for war but I'm not going to shun it either. All the hippies, scientists, and climate warriors say there's too many people on Earth. They all say there's too much CO2 in the air. You pray and wish for solutions to these problems. Wishes are tricky you know. They are granted but never the way you wanted them to be.
Who is talking about wanting war other than the media and liberals?
To be fair I've seen quite a few Trump supporters push for a war with Iran. I haven't seen any liberals, but who knows, their may be some.
They're warning people about what could happen, and rightly so.
Actually there is a chance it could happen.
After all, killing the Iran guy, may escalate tensions we don't know. And that's what they're stating.
I don't think you can read to be honest. That's clearly what none of them want.
They're only stating the truth.
It's far far more than orange bad man. When you potentially escalate tensions, for nothing more than greed and profit- it's a lot more than orange bad man.
Well, what sells in war? Weapons. Who owns the weapons company? The elite. So who will profit from this war? The elite.
I'd understand if Iran was attacking America, but nobody is attacking America.
What evidence do you have to show that?
And when did that general kill 500 Americans, if that is true? And if it is true, if it wasn't recently why didn't America take revenge then when it happened instead of now?
And who were those Americans? Soliders? Just immigrants living there?
Lol you think I supported Obama because I support the people I mentioned above. Obama was no different to Trump if I'm honest with you.
And like I said, if he was linked to 500 American deaths when did those deaths happen, and why did America not kill him then?
If he was, it just looks like America are using those deaths as a front as an excuse to start another war. If they didn't give a shit then, why do they now?
And it's not about Trump owning a weapons company. But I bet you a percentage of people who put him there, profit from the weapons industry.
Look the guy up. Why would an iran general be meeting with a militia leader in iraq. I thought they were enemies. No body is trying to start a war. Iran has been supporting terrorism for a long time if anyone is starting a war its them.
Trump has used the military far less than Obama had. I can't figure out why he got a pass. Trump has reduced the military conflicts.
Sorry I didn't mean you about Obama's drone attacks. I mean bernie, Warren, aoc... they completely silent. To me that proves they dont care and want a political gain.
Sanders voted against the Iraq war in 2003. That says everything. This will be another repeat of the Iraq war most likely. Do you want that?
And no, you're telling me. You send me your sources of information. Correct me if I'm wrong, but did Obama kill a general, potentially escalating war?
You're literally a living product of what Ilhan Omar is talking about in her tweet.
Hmm... Well, Trump not showing his tax returns definitely raises suspicion, I mean Sanders showed his- what has Trump got to hid that he's not showing us?
Obviously, he's not going say he wants to profit elites but come on who's keeping him in? Who has he made America "great" for? Them. It's not hard to put 2 and 2 together.
So I need to give you proof but you dont have any to support you clames? Why dont you find me where any of those democrats said a peep about starting a war in Libya or Syria or all the people obama had killed in drone stikes.
The voters are the ones keeping him in. What do you think is in his tax returns, there isn't much info in there? A few years of tax returns are out anyway
Why are you worried about trump's money. He made it before being elected and has donated his entire salary. His net worth has gone down since being elected. Sanders and Warner got to be millionaires working for the government. They are the ones I would want to investigate
Lol I can't😂😂😂😂You're so stupid😂😂😂I can't😂😂
"Sanders and Warren got millionaires"
And Trump is a billionaire who earned it off the multiple millions his father gave him😂😂
Lol but how he made it most likely fraud, hence, he won't show us his tax returns😂
Tell me which millionaires do Sanders and Warren have working for them?😂😂
I know you can't. Yes trump got a million from his dad and turned it into billions. You have no evidence of fraud other than you hate him.
Sanders and Warren got to be millionaires working for the government making like 150k a year. That seems way more suspicious to me.
What part of the tax form do you think would show any proof of fraud? You can look up from so it should be that hard to do.
Lol I'll take a line from one of my friends on this site, this is too stupid for me ;)
I can answer😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂There's so many ways you're so fucking stupid I don't even know where to begin😂😂😂
A) Must've been so hard for Trump to become a billionaire will the endless millions his father handed to him every time he screwed up😂
B) Not showing his tax returns definitely raises suspicion. I mean if I were Trump (😂🤮😂) and I was innocent the first thing I'd do is publish my tax returns to show the world, I made my money legit. Not showing them suggests he's got something to hide, unlike Bernie Sanders who published his to show he made every penny he has legitimately.
C) You: "Sanders and Warren have millionaires working for them, earning 150K" 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Firstly, I don't believe they do- which millionaires are working them, and if so- what are those millionaires advocating for? Nothing wrong with millionaires working for you, if they're advocating for the right thing. i. e. equality.
And even then, you make me almost fucking choke on my own laughter😂😂😂😂😂😂😂You've got not problem with Trump being handed millions, making billions potentially from fraud, we can't say whether it is legit or not because he hasn't published his tax returns, but not publishing his tax returns makes me believe he does have something to hide.
Your President could be ripping off your system, you, your people blind and you're sat here defending him😂😂😂😂
It's pretty clear when somebody hasn't paid tax, has lied about something- the numbers may not add up somewhere.
Anyways keep defending your billionaire masters😂
Well, if he really has nothing to hide why not just publish the tax returns?
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So what you're basically saying is: "It's completely okay from him not to show the public his tax returns, it doesn't raise my suspicions in the slightest even though other politicians have published theirs- doesn't concern me at all really if he's ripping off the system."
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Talk about being a mindless supporter😂
You honestly think he doesn't have enough money to pay people within the IRS off?
Like I said, you're just another Trump zombie who doesn't care if he's ripping off your country or not😂😂You make me laugh😂😂
Any part really, it just makes me suspicious that other politicians have published theirs but the person in the top position of the USA has not😂😂
@SpiderManFan2002 hey hey, I know you better than this
Valid debate rules:
No emojis
No making fun of the other side
No name-calling
Same for the other user, this discussion is interesting and somewhat thoughtful, keep it that way, thank you
@Syrian_survivor I'm sick of Trump/Johnson supporters if I'm honest with you. I tried being nice and having civil conversation with them, let's just say it didn't go too well, so I'm done with being nice.
Well I'd like to see every part to be honest. See it all so we can be certain he hasn't cheated the system anywhere. We don't know for sure if he has or hasn't because he hasn't published the tax returns.
But you tell me, what does not publishing them suggest?
No, there's nothing suspicious about trump not wanting to release his tax returns. There's no constitutional mandate for the president or a presidential candidate to release their tax history to the public. Also, the president is meant to serve for a short amount of time and then go back into civilian life and private industry. What citizen wasn't the public having access to their private tax information?
@SpiderManFan2002 sorry but "being sick" of people doesn't mean you gotta lower your intelligence and maturity to the point your arguments hold no reliability because you break debate rules.
Cmon girl, debate rules are about general personality maturity, stay the way you were! It makes you more attractive haha
Whoops trumps tax retuns are out there and there was nothing.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0eB-xjDMGdQ
2005? What about after that. In fact, thanks you've raised more suspicion now- he can publish the 2005 and not any ones after that? What's he hiding?
@Syrian_survivor The way "I was" got me nothing apart from forms of attacks wished upon me, derogatory insults about my religion, my heritage, assumptions made about me which are completely false.
I haven't lost maturity I've lost paitence and with good reason. I don't see the point in being nice to people who support and/or vote for people to fuck up my future, and all the other kids in a position similar to mine.
I'm not trolling. So they were illegally put out there? But what's on them? I didn't watch the video because I don't have my earphones on me at the moment.
So he wanted to hide those ones too? Why? What was actually in them? And if there was nothing which suggests he committed fraud then, how about now?
I'm asking questions because I'm getting no answers.
@SpiderManFan2002: You're not going to get answers you want.
"Well, if he really has nothing to hide why not just publish the tax returns?" That's not the way the law works here. You don't get to see someone's tax returns just because you think
"the numbers may not add up somewhere. "
@Sixgun77 He's not just "someone" though, is he? He's the president, in my eyes, he should show his tax returns if there's nothing to hide, to set an example to the public that you can make it to the top if you do things legit.
I'm not saying it from a legal point of view, I'm saying it from a moral point of view. Legal and moral aren't equivalent.
He may have not committed fraud in 2005, if he hasn't, but there have been several years after that which he could have- we don't know that though because I wonder why he hasn't released his tax returns despite Sanders challenging him.
If you have no patience, don't have a debate, don't be like those angry liberals who shun everyone who disagrees with them calling them bigots.
No patience means speaking from emotion like anger and sarcasm like you're currently doing, which is unproductive for everyone and a waste of your time, it only fills you with negativity.
So there, either have a full respectful debate or no debate at all, for your own good friend :/
@Syrian_survivor supporters that end up calling me something.
"Brainwashed"
"Indoctrinated"
"Libtard"
Then they accuse me of things.
When I talk to them like this, it's fine. I actually get less names thrown at me, surprisingly.
It's okay when they say shit to me, but the minute I decide to strike back- people have a problem with it?
@SpiderManFan2002: You're going to be sorely disappointed. The president is under no obligation to make his tax returns public.
Also, the idea that if you have nothing to hide you should allow your private affairs to be made public is a very scary one. Thankfully in America we have constitutional perfection fron people who think as you.
@SpiderManFan2002 I choose not to participate in a debate where the other side is name-calling for no reason, I either delete their posts or ignore them after I give them a warning, nobody breaks debate rules in my book!
You should do the same.
Don't lower yourself to their level, yeah? It's better if you ignore and walk away because otherwise it's a huge waste of time and energy, also it's a fountain of negativity!
People with strong valid points will welcome your valid points with a good civilized debate, it would be enjoyable and you'd both benefit from the traded information, they'd admit defeat if you catch them dirty on one of their points.
Be good and look after yourself, don't wanna see you mad or stressed like this :3
@Syrian_survivor "Be good and look after yourself, don't wanna see you mad or stressed like this"
Little bit hard right now when I look at things politically, think about the future of everything, realise how fucked it all looks, then think of my own future which I might just scrape by, but if one thing goes wrong chances are it's fucked big time- but I'll try.
@SpiderManFan2002 I totally understand, which is why I completely stay away from news and media, it's all so depressing to know every single negative thing that happens in the world, it's even worse when that thing hits home (the mosque shooting for example).
I focus on myself and my future without looking at anything else, I'll care about my future family when the time comes, let's cross that bridge when we come to it.
I hate seeing you stressed like this and I understand why you feel this way, but cheer up and don't get too involved in this stuff because honestly it's a big headache, I only have debates with people who are close to me who I trust (like you) or when the debate isn't so serious or sensitive, other than that, I just observe what people have debates over, and make my own thoughts and opinions out of that information.
@SpiderManFan2002: In this context, no, I would not. Trump was a businessman before being elected and (hopefully) in another 4 years will go back to that. Here had enemies in the political world and enemies in the private sector (in the form of competition).
Right now he's under no obligation (legal or moral) to release his tax information. If the time comes when he's actually in court being tried for a specific crime then im sure he'd bring exculpatory evidence relative to that specific case forward. But that's not where we are currently.
Currently, his political enemies don't have actual crimes to charge him with. If he releases his taxes when he doesn't have to, he's giving in to their bullying. They want to go through his private information to see if he's committed a crime, and that's the opposite of how our legal system works.
If he DID release it, I'm sure his enemies would use whatever innocuous material they find in there to invent something to charge him with, or accuse him of something that isn't actually a crime. That's been the pattern for the last few years.
Releasing his tax info is giving both his political and private sector enemies information to use against him. That's just not smart, that's giving his enemies more power. I don't see any rational politician or businessman doing so.
In our legal system, you have the presumption of innocence. The president is under no obligation to release his tax information because his enemies are sure that he's done SOMETHING wrong. We have very similar protections for all of our citizens. The legal system was set up that easy at the time of our founding because it is the most moral way to go. Our legal system is a result of moral decisions.
No, and we aren't going to get one. It'd take a lot more than a black eye to make Iran take the gigantic risk of declaring war on the U. S. Their "powerful allies" don't want a war with the U. S. either, so Iran isn't going to get a tremendous amount of support from other nations. The best they can do is rattle their saber and sabotage US efforts in the middle east.
They’re all criminals. Democrats, Republicans. We live an illusion of freedom. That shit has been stripped from us. We’re no different than all the other shitty run countries in the world now and we’re doing it to ourselves. By allowing these people to rob us blind and pretend like they give a fuck about the average person.
Wars gonna happen, do you think trump actually makes good decisions? he's immature, his ego will get the best of him
We don't want war but we can't have a say when there's a serious and dangerous threat lurking in the shadows and opposition who's leaders have it all in to go to war and get revenge.
I don't want war but that general was a bad man who had it coming. If the Islamic regime threaten our safety we can't stand by and do nothing. War isn't the answer but Iran are in the wrong here not the US and they need to get their act together
Seeing Trump bask in religious smugness with those Christian evangelists last week proclaiming God is with America I wouldn't be surprised if he starts calling for a crusade.
Want it, no, but nor should we ever shy away from it when needed. That's how people like Kim Jong Un have been allowed to flourish.
During the last election Trump said he could shoot a guy in the middle of the street and he wouldn't lose any voters. Well I think if we get into a war with Iran he might find that different this election.
The reality is no one wants war, and if you leftists would have listened to the Obnoxious Orange One's speech the other night you would understand this.
Honestly I only want Peace. Peace forever. That is the reason I stay away from arguments, debates and unnecessary discussions and conversations.
Do I want war? No. Do I want to free my brother's and sister's in Iran from the law against blasphemy,
Yes!
What about everywhere else in the world? Does that mean that we or America go to war with every country with human rights issues?
I don't like what Iran do in terms of human rights at all. But Russia is also is a bad country in terms of human rights, does that mean we should kill a Russian general?
I know.
And I want justice for everyone being persecuted across the world, of all backgrounds.
But is war really the way to go about it?
See, if we really want justice why don't we try and sit down at talk to these countries? I'd totally be up for a civil discussion instead of war- why don't they try that? It's cheaper, the two trillion dollars they spent could be invested in the people. And if the countries still refuse to listen, and continue to persecute people- then why don't we just offer those people an asylum in our countries and give them refuge here?
I don't know much about Christianity, but my religious studies teacher who is also a Christian, told me, that War in Christianity should always be a last resort. And I don't believe we've explored every avenue yet.
I agree with you, all avenues haven't be explored to prevent a war. I think that's the very first thing you and I have agreed on, let's take a second to celebrate that moment of contentment 😇 🤗
Having said that, there isn't going to be a war unless Iran starts one they can't win, Iran are not that stupid for all their bluster.
Trump: Soleimani "was plotting imminent and sinister attacks on American diplomats and military personnel, but we caught him in the act and terminated him."
To be fair neither America or the Uk are calling for war. America says their actions were to prevent attacks which could have caused war and the Uk government is calling for calm. President Trump tweeted on Saturday that the U. S. would target 52 Iranian sites (IF) Iran retaliates for the strike. That isn't the words of a people preparing for war. America has put Iran in a difficult position, accountability for their actions. I understand Iran as a regional power will find this hard to accept but they will have too.
Well, Jesus taught "love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you". He taught "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’) The second is this: ‘Love your neighbour as yourself. There is no commandment greater than these.”
When a neighbour attacks your brother and sister, you have to prioritise that love and who is more deserving. Your brother and sisters in the kingdom of God will come before your enemies or neighbours. It's not loving to allow your neighbour to hurt your brothers and sisters, that would be apathy.
Now on to the politics. I have argued for a long time for asylum for Christians who are persecuted across the middle east. Asia Bibi is a case in point, I was disgusted in our government's decision. As a Christian where did she have to go in the middle east? Muslim asylum seekers have countless options.
America especially but also the EU and ourselves have been talking and handing cash to Iran for a long time foolishly believing they would change their stance on nuclear weapons and in their support of terrorist groups across the middle east. Which runs along the Sunni and Shia divide in Islam. These problems run deep in Islam and go back to many generations which any modern politician today isn't going to solve. The Muslims can't even sort out Islam, they aren't going to take an outsiders viewpoint, too much bloodshed.
Of course, we want justice for everyone but Rome wasn't built in a day. Let's set achievable goals and freeing my brothers and sisters in Iran is achievable and a good start.
I never said all avenues have been explored. If anything, I think they haven't and the USA is jumping to another trillion pound war in the Middle East and this will be repetition of the Iraq war in 2003, and it will create only death and destruction- and not a single ounce of justice for our people of the world in Iraq.
What proof does Trump have to back up what he said? Just like in 2003, when Iraq had "WMD"- and it turned out they didn't. Do you really want a whole nation destroyed like that again?
Anybody who persecutes someone in the name of religion is no Muslim. Because they are not practicing Islam they are practicing a twisted version of it. One of the first thing our Qur'an teaches is: "Let there be no compulsion in religion" - therefore, it is haram to force anyone to accept Islam, and it is certainly haram to kill them for it.
War won't help the Christian brothers and sisters being persecuted. There are Muslims being persecuted around the world too, but I believe we shouldn't declare war with those countries- we should sit and talk instead- words can do so much more than weapons.
In school they teach us, when conflict occurs, it's better to talk than fight, yet when conflict arises in countries- their idea to solve it is violence? Why is it in these countries they teach children one thing but practice another themselves?
And as for your comment about Muslim divide- I do admit there is a stupid divide within the Muslim community among Sunnis and Shias- the way I see it is we're all Muslims, we all read one Qur'an the same book it's that simple.
But there's also divide within the Christian community.
The problem isn't with Islam, the problem is with those Muslims who can't see we are one Islam, and we all follow the same book at the end of the day.
And yes, I remember the Asia Bibi case, that disgusts me. I am glad she finally obtained justice though. She wasn't in the Middle East though, it was Pakistan, that's not the Middle East. And luckily Canada gave her asylum. The Pakistani Supreme court accquitted her of blasphemy charges and because of a few disgusting intolerant people- they said she was also free to leave Pakistan if she wished because it was unsafe for her. And fifty-five people were arrested, who protested against the court accquitting her of those charges.
And I believe our country should accept anyone facing perscution across the world.
And as for what you said about your answer to your brothers and sisters facing persecution and prioritising love, I say you ask your neighbour- "why are you doing this?" and you try to reason with them, rather than resorting to violence straight away. If I got to talk to a "Muslim" country perscuting Christians or anyone- I'd show them verses of the Qur'an which they are going against, and then question them following the Qur'an.
I said I agree with you that all avenues haven't been explored to prevent a war and there isn't going to be a war unless Iran are on a kamikaze mission.
Iran are a regional power and anyone following the middle east a little understands the division between Saudi Arabia and Iran, you are only igornant or dishonest if you don't know these facts and their proxy wars which have caused the death of British and American soilders. Soleimani was killed in Iraq, not Iran, with fellow militia and military leaders, I guess they were going on a picnic.
The Americans will have to come out with more information but let's not pretend you will take any notice of it lol.
"Anybody who persecutes someone in the name of religion is no Muslim." well that's not really a sustainable position, especially when you see how many Muslims flocked to Isis and how many British Muslims amongst them. Part of the problem is not being able to analyse these issues properly and honestly and the effect of Dar al-Harb in the Quran, the narrative which permits such violence. Christianity has already gone through these issues and found the answers within the new testament, Islam is seriously lagging behind and people are paying the cost.
"The problem isn't with Islam, the problem is with those Muslims who can't see we are one Islam, and we all follow the same book at the end of the day." I agree but Islam doesn't have a pope who can unite your religion. Or a figure head who can push for reform. As the perfect book how are you meant to improve it?
"War won't help the Christian brothers and sisters being persecuted. " They would have been happier in Iran in the 1960's, 70's, we could create circumstances which they were happier to live in which a more favourable government which wasn't run on strict Islamic laws. I point that out only to show there is ways to help the Christians who are being persecuted. Turkey for example is run by Muslims who aren't persecuting Christians. Syria before that terrible war was peaceful between Muslims and Christians, it's possible to create the right circumstances.
It's not that I don't want to take notice of the information, in 2003 they came out with the information that Iraq had WDM- that was a lie, or as they say a "mistake" and that mistake/lie cost so many human beings their lives and it destroyed a whole country. Do you really want to see another version of that? I never want that to happen to a single country ever again. So I think we need sufficient proof, to ensure Iran is a real threat to America- and Trump saying something, doesn't cut it for me.
In my eyes, the USA are the ones advocating for war, the general was not a good man, but there are many world leaders who aren't good- America killed none of their generals so why did they kill the Iran one?
I wouldn't be surprised if this had anything to do with it: www.BBC.co.uk/.../world-middle-east-50365235
And firstly what are those British and American soliders doing there? We're not being attacked, we're not at war so why are they there? They didn't deserve to die, but I just don't understand why they're there. And how many deaths of innocent people in Iraq were the British and Americans responsible for in 2003? Does that mean Iraq should attack one of our generals? Certainly not!
How many far-right extremists are there in the UK are there right now? There's is problems on both sides- I mean, did you see what Channel 4 released about the Brexit party? Those men were openly saying persecute POC, and openly racist Islamophobic stuff.
If those men identify as Christian are they really? I don't think so, I can't imagine any religion would condone racism and discrimination.
That's how these so-called Muslims flocking to ISIS aren't Muslims. Dar al-Harb is used in extremely rare cases only as a last resort for war. And here in the UK we're not at war. It's not Islam that's lagging behind, it's the Muslims who distort, and misinterpret the Qur'an.
And you're telling me there's no violence in the Bible? The Bible has war verses too similar Dar al-Harb.
A little bit from Wikipedia about Dar al-Harb
"According to Majid Khadduri, the fundamental distinction between Dar al-Islam and Dar al-Harb was introduced after the defeat of the Umayyad Caliphate at the Battle of Tours in 732 which prevented the expansion of Islam to the north, while at the same time the expansion of the caliphate to the east had been halted.[13]
Wahbah al-Zuhayli argues that the concept of Dar al-Harb is mostly historical: "The existence of Dār al-Islām and Dār al-Ḥarb in contemporary times is rare or extremely limited. This is because Islamic countries have joined the United Nations covenant that stipulates that the relationship between nations is peace and not war. Therefore non-Muslim countries are Dār al-‘Ahd"
Dar al-'Ahd - are terms used for territories that have a treaty of non-aggression or peace with Muslims.
Let me tell you something about the New Testament which Christians follow. Jesus Christ supersedes all which came before him, he came with a new covenant, a few examples;
"Jesus replied, "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning."
"You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you"
"You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also."
You will never find a passage of Jesus asking for violence. Only example where he used force was when he whipped those selling in the temple.
"Let me tell you something about the New Testament which Christians follow."
Actually, that's the Christianity you and a number of Christians follow. A number of Christians also reject the new testament as they believe it isn't the word of God, but the word of man.
And the KKK claim to be Christian. I doubt they follow the verses you just showed me given their views on black people, Jewish people, Muslim people- and basically anyone who isn't white and Christian.
War is pretty cool so yeah I kind of do want a war😆
🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️When it's one of your family members or you sent to fight you won't be saying that.
Then why say you want war?
Nothing bad about war? What are all the people who die because of it? That's not bad?
What about the trillions wasted on destruction that could affect our climate? That's not bad?
And are you "not free" now?
Sometimes war is inevitable, this is one of those cases and we had to make an example out of Iran so other countries knew they couldn't get away with killing our troops.
People think war is bad because the TV says so. Violence is never the answer right?
War brings a lot of technological advances. The only issue is when innocent civilians get involved.
Name a single war no civilians were killed.
How many killed innocent civilians are acceptable for the technological advances you talk about?
I lean shit happend, when it is deliberate that's the issue. It's impossible not to kill civilians because some people are fucking stupid. It's all about forcing people who aren't willing to fight in a war, or using civilians as cover.
Oh honey...
Please take a screenshot and print it to remember in a couple of years.
I ain't your "Honey" Don't hit me with that BS. Have an argument or admit defeat. "lMaO uR RoNg i HaVe No ArGuMeNt" Is not an argument
@TwoToTooTutu2 In these kinds of wars, it's always the innocent civilians who are affected the most.
Take Iraq 2003 for example, who was most affected by that and still is today? For what? A lie?
@TwoToTooTutu2 Nope, I have no argument. Life seems to have a different value for both of us. I take it, but it ends the discussion.
The circle of life is nature, and death is inevitable. You can't point to the US and say "Bad guy" when Isis has killed an estimated 115,000 to up to 250,000 innocent civilians on their own in the last decade. We're the ones trying to stop them. They don't have rules of engagement, and hide behind their disguise as a civilian to ambush, and behead their own people for power.
Anyone that likes or desires war is truly a evil human being to its rooted core.
War is very ugly human experience but sometimes need to defend yourself and country from invaders.
When it's a war between two nations its not a world War.. And if war happened, we would leave them a smoldering radioactive crater.. They would lose badly.
And I voted no
Literally no one except military contractors want war the us would lose money and people businesses will lose vital materials causing there to be a less of everything.
ferengi rule of acquisition 35 Peace is good for business
No and there's obviously no WW3 coming. USA killed some Iranian guy, which is just another day in the office. Nothing new. I like Trump, but I hope he'll forget about the middle east, like he has told he would.
There isn't gonna be a war lmao. Anyone who thinks other wise is a sheep of the media
I guess we could just send over billions of tax dollars like Obama did.
What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?
Hell NO.
These so called politicians, they'll tell what ever you wanna hear. They never keep their word.
So no matter what they promise, I'll always choose no.
If the US does go to war the UK will go with us. I hope to see you there.
I'd rather not. We don't need a recursion of the 2003 Iraq war thank you very much.
I don't want war. I don't want these civil wars about liberals being bad. Concervitives being the only people that are right. Look whats going on in the world we need to be working together.
The majority of US citizens voted for him to "make america great again", and it seemed the "greatest" during the civil war that ended the era of slavery. So lean back, relax and enjoy your fate.
No body needs war. All that is required to tell these leaders to keep their ego in check because if this happens there's gonna be fire on both sides and ultimately innocent people have to pay the price.
no and i dont think there will be 1
iran has a lot more to loose in this situation
Seems that only gullible teens who spend way too much time on social media think WW3 will happen so brainwashed
Lol I never said WW3 would happen you fucking geniuses😂😂😂Learn to read for fucks sake😂😂I said "do you honestly want war?" It may not escalate to WW3, but it could potentially escalate to another trillion dollar war in Iran, which also isn't good for the climate considering Australia is unfortunately burning down.
It may escalate to WW3 it may not. Nobody can say for certain- that looks unlikely, but you never know.
But what looks more likely to me, is a recursion of the Iraq 2003 war. Do we really need something like that again?
@Girther10 As I recall, Blair the UK PM at the time of the Iraq war, no?
"Avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife. And a slave of the Lord must not quarrel..." (2Timothy 2:23,24).
I'm just scared that if war breaks out, all the ancient world heritage sites will be destroyed.
All that cultural heritage will be lost.
No, I don’t support war in the form of foreign intervention, just national defense.
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