What are your thoughts on a 'TradThot'?

[CubsterShura]

TradThot, or 'Traditional thot' or even more specifically, 'traditional that hoe out there' if you wanna break down what 'thot' is... It's a term used in the redpill community. It means a woman, usually a White alt-right blonde woman, who tries to display herself as traditional, feminine, conservative, all that with the underlying desire to grab attention of some kind, maybe to earn fame, money, or to attract men, and not necessarily because she holds those traditional values and beliefs truly from her heart. It's basically the Western version of a popular Muslim term 'hoejabi' 🧕 (hoe+hijabi in case you don't get it). Just like a hoejabi, a TradThot doesn't necessarily practice what she preaches.

The idea is that misogynistic redpill men are less desirable in the recent progressive feminist society, so TradThots feel like portraying the perfect image of being a 1950's housewife will get those type of men swarming towards them because women of that kind that they desire are rare.

A TradThot would display herself being dolled up in traditional vintage attire, looking perfect at all times, talk about cooking and cleaning and how amazing it is to be at home and how they have found their place there, and trash at any women disagreeing or even exposing them. They just say all other women are jealous that they have high market value, which is false.

I find a lot of TradThot claims bullshit. They think they are a big deal but the reality is, NO ONE CARES.

[front2back]

It's really no different than all the other thots out there. It is hilarious that so many conservative or right-wing men managed to swayed by these online girls posing in tight dresses talking about how much they hate commies or whatever when most of it is for attention. Lauren Southern and Kaitlen Bennet (not sure if spelled correctly cuz IDC), are perfect examples of this. Quite a few men with principles do not care for these "trad" women and are aggravated those in their "community" are so fond of them.

The way I've argued with them is that if you want a wife to start a family with that isn't carrying some ridiculous baggage like a kid or drug addiction, the only place you're actually going to find one is Mass or other religious/professional events such as food drives and charity events. However, many of these men (despite supporting Christian values, supposedly) either don't believe in God or in the Church, so thus stay couped up inside. So its kind of hilarious in an ironic way that they are so fed up with the trad-thots but won't make any real effort to be traditionally principled either.

[englisc]

The feminists would like to paint it as you just did, but it was the redpillers who came up with the term "Tradthots" in the first place and who saw them for what they are. It's mainly dumb, naive Alt-Right Christian types who fall for these women.

These women don't even believe in the things they say anyway, they just parrot things that other people have already said. They just do it to make money. Once it's no longer profitable they move on to something else, and many of them have dropped off anyway because it has become less profitable. One minute they're an anti-natalist feminist, the next they're traditionalist women encouraging people to have lots of babies - while not having any themselves. They shouldn't be taken seriously at all.

[CubsterShura]

I mentioned it's a term used by redpillers

[englisc]

True, I missed that part. However I was referring to this part mainly:

"The idea is that misogynistic redpill men are less desirable in the recent progressive feminist society, so TradThots feel like portraying the perfect image of being a 1950's housewife will get those type of men swarming towards them"

I think that most people outside of it misunderstand the red pill and what it actually is, partly because feminists like to convince people of the above. And also partly because there are guys, mainly incels, who talk a lot about it when they don't really understand it either.

[CubsterShura]

Still doesn't change the fact that this is how redpill is seen.

I have been exposed to some redpill content for a while. And I actually do like part of their ideology, and some of their stuff is pretty good and rational, but the rest is very problematic in my opinion and I could see why redpill gets the bad reputation. The blatant misogyny is hard to stand.

[englisc]

That's true, but again this is because there are many incels who've taken the redpill stuff and have claimed it as their own. The idea is of course that the "blue pill" is the naive, false societal conditioning, the lies which most people believe in, particularly about the nature of men, women, relationships, love etc. And that the "red pill" is the truth about the nature of these things.

These incels, because they can't get laid, think that the "red pill" is about realising that women are all shallow, disloyal, gold-digging bitches who only want to use men. That's where the misogyny is from mainly. But that's not what it's really about, and of course that's bullshit. The guys who really started off the redpill and who speak about it properly are mostly married guys, with no reason to hate women.

Sometimes they might get accused of being misogynists too, as do I, but that's only because they'll talk about certain types of manipulative women for example. They're called misogynists simply for not pretending that all women are angels.

[CubsterShura]

I don't know man, I've seen some redpill people, even digged into redpill stuff like the contents of the Rational Male book, and I do get where redpill is coming from, and I don't even dislike the entire redpill. But it's still not something I'd ever wanna associate myself with. Especially when even men in real life don't seem that way.

[englisc]

Well most men in real life are "blue-pilled" really.

[CubsterShura]

If they are blue pill then we are better off without red pill.

[CubsterShura]

Why not write a myTake on what red pill actually is if you feel like people have huge misconceptions about it?

[englisc]

Well no, not really, because what that means (most people being blue-pilled) is that people have no idea what's actually going on or how relationships actually work. As a result they don't know how to get what they want, how to make relationships work. Especially in the West. Young people especially are so confused. Divorce rates are around 50%, around 50% of children are raised in broken families, which leads to all kinds of mental health issues, with around 50% of people needing to take some kind of anti-depressant medication to deal with day to day life. All because they have an inaccurate, naive view of how the world really works.

I do plan to write a take at some point.

[CubsterShura]

Plenty of people who are not depressed or whatever are doing just fine without holding any extreme red pill ideology.

[englisc]

Of course they are. Plenty more people are not. Particularly younger people.

There's also a big difference between red pill ideas about the nature of men, women, relationships etc. and feminist ideas for example. Feminists tend to believe that men and women are pretty much the same, that we have the same wants and desires, that masculinity/femininity are just dumb social constructs that don't matter at all. It's a lot of "why can't it be this?" Entirely based on what those people think should work, looking at everything through this lens, with no proof that it does, and in some cases plenty of proof that their ideas are dysfunctional.

Meanwhile, the redpill is based more on behavioural psychology, not a political ideology. It's based on looking at the behaviours of most people regardless of what they say they want/believe without personal bias. The idea that actions speak louder than words, and that it's more important to focus on that to find the truth. The reason redpillers are so critical of feminism is because they understand the things I mentioned above.

Basically the red pill is truth > feelings, personal biases. The blue pill is feelings/personal biases > truth.

[CubsterShura]

Exactly. Redpill talks about being truthful and rational but even then a lot of stuff they say don't make sense. And they end up polarizing men and women more than they have to. Another side of extemism.

[englisc]

I disagree with guys like Rollo Tomassi on a few things, but I think they're mostly right. Which things do you think don't make sense?

[CubsterShura]

I don't really bother to remember them, but I can remember something like 'why hate women for having xyz bad qualities when women are interested beings with xyz to begin with?' one of those qualities mentioned was 'manipulative'. That word remained stuck in my head for personal reasons.

[CarpetDenim]

I’ve never heard of this before, but I mean, if they’re pretending they’ve adopted these kinds of attitudes in order to attract and sleep with a particular group of men, they’re not much different than your regular, run-of-the-mill thot.

[Account2]

So somebody who "acts like a traditional woman" but really just acts like what they think traditional women acted like, and really only do it to get a guy who likes traditional women because apparently they can't get a guy who likes the kind of person they really are? Sounds strange..

With anyone, I don't like it if they pretend to be one thing when they're really another. And with "tradthots" if they use that kind of deception to enter into relationships I especially don't like it. What happens if they manage to get into a serious relationship with a guy and it was built starting from the girl and guy both being traditional? What happens when she gets tired of pretending, or he figures out she actually doesn't think that way?

[CubsterShura]

Take all his money in divirce, duh

[Account2]

Oh, well then yeah I really don't like them. They're scammers.

[Lliam]

I have no problem with Trad or even with Thot (which often is merely a reference to a sexually active woman). But the Tradthot you describe sounds insincere, dishonest and manipulative. I value honesty and sincerity above all else. So I would have a very low opinion of a Tradthot.

[Jjpayne]

Interesting... Either their despite for attention, brainwashed or... I'd really like to see their stance if it's not those two, to have a intelligent conversation with a tradthot... Now that would be interesting

[Curmudgeon]

For those "Conservahotties", it is a temporary thing. They are out there fighting for the Right, until they settle down. (They may keep on fighting for the good guys, but they get married and move on from platforms)

[soleil2666]

She's got you nailed, eh?
What can we do when some women are smart - and heterosexual too!
Red pill - is that when they recommend you tell a woman how she is being as if she was your sister/you call her bs out? Because it does work, it's just exhausting being an older brother (a stand-in daddy).
'recent progressive society' - you mean those women red jealous of the TradThot that men actually do want to date rather than avoid at all costs?

Keep your progress, I think.

[CubsterShura]

Nailed who? 😂

[InfobotsMom]

They sound pretty stupid. Then again, red pill guys are usually stupid too. So they're probably a good match.

[ericclayton]

Yep, these are the MAGA grifter types. Best examples are Mindy Robinson and Alex Clark. Wouldn't call them "alt-right" though, that's a very specific subset of conservatism.

[0112358]

Most of them do seem to be larping. Actual traditional women exist and are just being traditional.

[DudeDiligence]

It has become a very overused term, very quickly. Used by feminists as a derogatory term against women who don't toe feminist the party line.

[CubsterShura]

It's mainly use by the redpill and incel group though 😂

[DudeDiligence]

That's not where I'm seeing it used most these days.

[CubsterShura]

That's how I discovered it.

[DudeDiligence]

I have no doubt that's how you found it, but it doesn't change the fact that it is a term that feminists like yourself have latched onto and use a lot now for obvious reasons.

[CubsterShura]

And you say that WE accuse people falsely 😂 man man man y'all are something else.

[DudeDiligence]

Hmm, I don't recall saying that. But regardless, everything I've said here is true.

[CubsterShura]

Cite your sources then.

[Massageman]

I'd see if they "walk their talk" before generalizing.

[AC_Slayer]

They're just glorified cam-whores who parrot Nationalist talking-points in order to suck beta-bucks out of there pathetic orbiters.

[esotericstory]

Its anti-traditional propaganda. Its the new 'slut', its to shame women to be progressive when they dont want to.

[CubsterShura]

But it's literally used by traditional people themselves.

[esotericstory]

No these are fakers.

[Shamalien]

Ummm they could easily get my attention. I wish there were any girls looking for redpill men, never met one

[HazelEyedMusician]

Most are conspiracy theorists, paid, to spew them out

[ThatGuy133]

Sounds like an oxymoron

[CubsterShura]

Well they can be hypocrites sometimes

[ThatGuy133]

The name itself to start with...

[WhiteShoulder]

I totally agree

[arefin]

absolute worst.

[Nahid1707]

Yeah it’s unfortunate 😕

[the_sinner]

Exactly. No one cares.

[On_cloud_wine]

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