It depends on the type of feminism, the location, and the actions of the "activists". For example the movement against manspreading is unneeded, men sit like that so the organ between their legs doesn't cause them pain, yet there are groups of feminists in Russia dumping bleach onto these men minding their own business. But on the other hand in some countries women still can't vote, have no say in life, and can't even drive. So to shorten it up 1st & 2nd wave are positive, but 3rd and after are mainly them trying to gain power over males. Equalitarianism is positive, feminism is also until taken to an extreme, likewise with men's rights.
Yes. They redefined equality to mean the same number/percentage of men and women in the workplace, but only for high paying jobs. Never seen a feminist say they want equal representation on oil rigs or construction, only top 500 CEO and high political office.
It's rewriting of history, claiming men have oppressed women and how women never had power or weren't allowed to do anything. A lie so blatant, I'm surprised how many people believe it.
Feminism has successfully destroyed the idea of a family, claiming men/father's are unnecessary to raise children while at the same time milking child support from their ex.
Feminism is a hate group. They're insanely hypocritical because they claim that men are not needed, while living in a society built and maintained by men.
Pathetic how mgtow incels or ignorant people only critisize feminism but are not better, hate on women and make generalizations about women. I also do not support sexism or unfair system against men but whenever I speak about woman rights, i get shut down and called feminazi. And anybody who says feminism in Europe is not necassary is ignorant because the abortion and sterilezation rights are restricted or banned still in Europe, 14 years old girls can get married in america but can't divorce themself etc. I do not support any toxic side feminism and now i cannot talk about human aka woman rights without gettting called feminazi.
So which do you think is actually a bad thing? Marriage or abortion? It seems you have some moral issues because abortion is clearly murder, marriage is not.
@ThisIsMyOpinion What is your definition of murder? Allow me to expose the hypocrisy double standards. The law states that it's OK for women to take the lives of the unborn, and even the born too, IE abortion and infanticide. Are you ready for this now? Jim and Sue were fighting and Sue pushed Jim and with Jim's knee jerk reaction, Jim pushed Sue too, Sue was also pregnant. Sue bumped into the wall and had a miscarriage. And now Jim faces 30 years in prison for the murder of their baby. Now this particular story was a factious example based of true story's. Do you now see how they twist it to meet their agenda? They can call abortion IE child murder legal all they want, it's always going to be ILLEGAL in God's eyes.
@ThisAndThat My defenition of murder? Killing another born human being. Women are not allowed to kill their child after it is born. One story example doesn't make a truth. I heard of accidents like that on the news and the father was not convicted in any way.
@ThisIsMyOpinion Well they certainly are convicted for it in the US. And women don't have to murder their children after they're born anymore, the state will do it for them. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reproductive_Health_Act
And for the you's out there that don't know how it works, first they murder the children IE babies. Then they come for you.
@ThisAndThat if they are then your justice system sucks. I am not reading that, but I doubt that the government is allowed to kill children after they are born.
@ThisIsMyOpinion In what sense? It's called social Marxist conditioning. Push the common notion murder is acceptable, a thing to do. Then eventually it's going to be ok for those that advocated for it, gave their approval, for them to be murdered too. And don't think plans aren't under way either. Georgia Guide Stones aka UN agenda 21 - 2030. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckJm8_pS0dY
Extreme feminism is when it's taken too far. Traditional Feminism is supposed to mean equal rights for everyone this includes those who are listed, female, male, trans, gay and all religions etc.. Some people twist it to something that it's not and they need to stop so the people who are confused can understand what it is and really stands for more clearly.
I think there may have been confusion with the pole. 56% of guys said yes. Was the pole "is feminism toxic" or "do we need feminism in our world"? I can't see 56% of guys saying yes we need feminism. I answered it as "do we need feminism" but with 56% of the guys saying yes, I have a feeling they said yes to "is feminism toxic"
No, it allowed women to have their voices heard and gain a lot of support, however, its extremists that ruin shit
If women in many different countries had feminism, they could gain confidence and relaize that they are more than baby makers and weak.
However when we have women parading around spouting that mens issues are bullshit and that everyman is a rapist, misogynistic meanie pants, then they lose their credibility.
Actual feminism would probably be harmless maybe even beneficial. What we have instead is just Marxist ideology. Neo Marxist class struggle between the oppressor class (men) and the oppressed class (women). In their warped view it's all about power, who has it and who doesn't have it. This is why feminism doesn't do shit when Muslim migrants gang rape hundreds of women or groom millions of British girls , it's fake.
I am all for equality but feminism is man hating and also turned into where they got girls in this mindset that a guy walking up to you saying you look good is somehow sexual harassment.
The type of feminism, where women can drive, pursue any career they want or making tons of money, vote and serve the military AND NOT BE FORCED to be a housewife? All good!
The type of feminazism, where men are the sworn enemies, the patriarchy is the evil force and justifying divorce raping men and banning porn because it's sexist? Now that is TOXIC!
When people think of feminism, they tend to think of the extremists of the group that are anti-men who would rather men be castrated and abused by society. True feminism is literally about equity (not the money description of equity), treating everyone equally regardless of gender, and getting rid of the "women belong at home as housewives" and "women aren't as good as men"(which is a childish mentality) mentality
Lots of people promote feminism but are a bad example because they only look at the advantages, also the name 'feminism', they fucked up there already
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Feminism is toxic in exactly the same way MGTOW is toxic. The principles of both movements are valid and should be supported by anyone with a sense of fairness, but the fact is both movements are a magnet for sexist, hate filled losers who have undermined both movements to the point where no normal person supports either.
Not all MGTOWs are bad, and not all feminists are bad, but lets face it... today, the majority are bad, for BOTH movements.
Some feminists fight for equality which is great but some feminists tend to get way ahead of themselves and fight for superiority over males which is ridiculous because superiority is what we are fighting against in the first place.
It is, now. Was necessary in the past but now it's just made up "fights" often showing more sexism and racism than anything. The feminism shown today is all about pointing fingers at white straight males and saying everything bad is their fault. As well as finding everything they could like, and make sure to destroy it. It's just pure hate against them.
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There are places in the world today where women are still oppressed and treated unfairly. But in places like the US and UK women today are literally the most privileged and entitled human in the history of humanity.
In the western world feminism is clearly toxic. That is an irrefutable fact.
@hi_it_is_me123 As I already said, I have already Googled it and every reference I see contradicts what you're saying. Abortion is currently legal and available in both countries, as is tubal ligation. You can post links, just add spaces in them.
I said it is restricted and id not say that abortion is illegal in germany. Google it again poland only allow it when you are raped or something like this
"Abortion in Poland is illegal except in cases of rape, when the woman's life or any form of health is in jeopardy, or if the fetus is irreparably damaged.[1][2]" - wikipedia
"Antwort : Die meisten Kliniken führen die Sterilisation ab einem Alter von 30 Jahren durch, manche sogar erst ab dem Alter von 35 Jahren. Allerdings können bestimmte Umstände dazu führen, dass der Eingriff schon früher durchgeführt wird"- netdoktor. at
Not all so called "feminists" are actually feminists so it's easy to say not all of them are toxic. If they have different meanings of what feminism really is, it only means they don't know what feminism really is but looking at it's aspect it's a one sided movement that don't demonstrate equality.
"It wasn't learning about men's rights that turned me away from feminism. It was learning about feminism that turned me away." -Cassie Jay
Have you read the declaration of sentiment? Do you know of the mail and fire bombings, including an attempt on parliament, by the suffragettes? Do you know who Sally Miller-Greenheart is? What about Erin Pizzy? Do you know how the Duluth Model came to be?
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"Do we need Feminism in our world?"
Certainly not in your nation or mine. It is nothing but destructive
In vast swaths of the rest of the world, on the other hand, Yes.
How do u know where I live 😭
You profile says UK.
Oh ahahah, I was not aware of this
It depends on the type of feminism, the location, and the actions of the "activists". For example the movement against manspreading is unneeded, men sit like that so the organ between their legs doesn't cause them pain, yet there are groups of feminists in Russia dumping bleach onto these men minding their own business. But on the other hand in some countries women still can't vote, have no say in life, and can't even drive. So to shorten it up 1st & 2nd wave are positive, but 3rd and after are mainly them trying to gain power over males. Equalitarianism is positive, feminism is also until taken to an extreme, likewise with men's rights.
Yes.
They redefined equality to mean the same number/percentage of men and women in the workplace, but only for high paying jobs. Never seen a feminist say they want equal representation on oil rigs or construction, only top 500 CEO and high political office.
It's rewriting of history, claiming men have oppressed women and how women never had power or weren't allowed to do anything. A lie so blatant, I'm surprised how many people believe it.
Feminism has successfully destroyed the idea of a family, claiming men/father's are unnecessary to raise children while at the same time milking child support from their ex.
Feminism is a hate group.
They're insanely hypocritical because they claim that men are not needed, while living in a society built and maintained by men.
Also. Feminism has convinced women that sleeping around is liberating and empowering... because being a slut is a very respectful lifestyle
Pathetic how mgtow incels or ignorant people only critisize feminism but are not better, hate on women and make generalizations about women. I also do not support sexism or unfair system against men but whenever I speak about woman rights, i get shut down and called feminazi. And anybody who says feminism in Europe is not necassary is ignorant because the abortion and sterilezation rights are restricted or banned still in Europe, 14 years old girls can get married in america but can't divorce themself etc. I do not support any toxic side feminism and now i cannot talk about human aka woman rights without gettting called feminazi.
So which do you think is actually a bad thing? Marriage or abortion? It seems you have some moral issues because abortion is clearly murder, marriage is not.
Abortion is a need
@ThisAndThat Abortion is far from being murder are you out of your mind?
@ThisIsMyOpinion What is your definition of murder? Allow me to expose the hypocrisy double standards. The law states that it's OK for women to take the lives of the unborn, and even the born too, IE abortion and infanticide. Are you ready for this now? Jim and Sue were fighting and Sue pushed Jim and with Jim's knee jerk reaction, Jim pushed Sue too, Sue was also pregnant. Sue bumped into the wall and had a miscarriage. And now Jim faces 30 years in prison for the murder of their baby. Now this particular story was a factious example based of true story's. Do you now see how they twist it to meet their agenda? They can call abortion IE child murder legal all they want, it's always going to be ILLEGAL in God's eyes.
No, abstinence is the need, child murder isn't.
@ThisAndThat
My defenition of murder? Killing another born human being.
Women are not allowed to kill their child after it is born.
One story example doesn't make a truth. I heard of accidents like that on the news and the father was not convicted in any way.
@ThisIsMyOpinion Well they certainly are convicted for it in the US. And women don't have to murder their children after they're born anymore, the state will do it for them. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reproductive_Health_Act
And for the you's out there that don't know how it works, first they murder the children IE babies. Then they come for you.
@ThisAndThat if they are then your justice system sucks.
I am not reading that, but I doubt that the government is allowed to kill children after they are born.
Then they will come for me? In what sense?
@ThisIsMyOpinion In what sense? It's called social Marxist conditioning. Push the common notion murder is acceptable, a thing to do. Then eventually it's going to be ok for those that advocated for it, gave their approval, for them to be murdered too. And don't think plans aren't under way either. Georgia Guide Stones aka UN agenda 21 - 2030. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckJm8_pS0dY
@ThisAndThat but no one is saying that murder is acceptable. Abortion is not murder
Extreme feminism is when it's taken too far. Traditional Feminism is supposed to mean equal rights for everyone this includes those who are listed, female, male, trans, gay and all religions etc.. Some people twist it to something that it's not and they need to stop so the people who are confused can understand what it is and really stands for more clearly.
I think there may have been confusion with the pole. 56% of guys said yes. Was the pole "is feminism toxic" or "do we need feminism in our world"? I can't see 56% of guys saying yes we need feminism. I answered it as "do we need feminism" but with 56% of the guys saying yes, I have a feeling they said yes to "is feminism toxic"
No, it allowed women to have their voices heard and gain a lot of support, however, its extremists that ruin shit
If women in many different countries had feminism, they could gain confidence and relaize that they are more than baby makers and weak.
However when we have women parading around spouting that mens issues are bullshit and that everyman is a rapist, misogynistic meanie pants, then they lose their credibility.
*and the idea that they are weak
Actual feminism would probably be harmless maybe even beneficial. What we have instead is just Marxist ideology. Neo Marxist class struggle between the oppressor class (men) and the oppressed class (women). In their warped view it's all about power, who has it and who doesn't have it. This is why feminism doesn't do shit when Muslim migrants gang rape hundreds of women or groom millions of British girls , it's fake.
I am all for equality but feminism is man hating and also turned into where they got girls in this mindset that a guy walking up to you saying you look good is somehow sexual harassment.
Which feminism?
The type of feminism, where women can drive, pursue any career they want or making tons of money, vote and serve the military AND NOT BE FORCED to be a housewife? All good!
The type of feminazism, where men are the sworn enemies, the patriarchy is the evil force and justifying divorce raping men and banning porn because it's sexist? Now that is TOXIC!
When people think of feminism, they tend to think of the extremists of the group that are anti-men who would rather men be castrated and abused by society.
True feminism is literally about equity (not the money description of equity), treating everyone equally regardless of gender, and getting rid of the "women belong at home as housewives" and "women aren't as good as men"(which is a childish mentality) mentality
Lots of people promote feminism but are a bad example because they only look at the advantages, also the name 'feminism', they fucked up there already
Feminism is toxic in exactly the same way MGTOW is toxic. The principles of both movements are valid and should be supported by anyone with a sense of fairness, but the fact is both movements are a magnet for sexist, hate filled losers who have undermined both movements to the point where no normal person supports either.
Not all MGTOWs are bad, and not all feminists are bad, but lets face it... today, the majority are bad, for BOTH movements.
Some feminists fight for equality which is great but some feminists tend to get way ahead of themselves and fight for superiority over males which is ridiculous because superiority is what we are fighting against in the first place.
It is, now. Was necessary in the past but now it's just made up "fights" often showing more sexism and racism than anything.
The feminism shown today is all about pointing fingers at white straight males and saying everything bad is their fault. As well as finding everything they could like, and make sure to destroy it. It's just pure hate against them.
There are places in the world today where women are still oppressed and treated unfairly. But in places like the US and UK women today are literally the most privileged and entitled human in the history of humanity.
In the western world feminism is clearly toxic. That is an irrefutable fact.
That is why women can't abort in some western countries or get sterilization
@hi_it_is_me123 Which western countries, specifically, do not allow women to have an abortion or have their tubes tied?
Poland and in germany it is restricted and that means only women about 35 with kids can get sterilization.
@hi_it_is_me123 Links, please. You need to provide some evidence because every source I see contradicts your statements here.
In german?
I can't send links
Google it. You can text me
I have to be the level 3 to sebd links
@hi_it_is_me123 As I already said, I have already Googled it and every reference I see contradicts what you're saying. Abortion is currently legal and available in both countries, as is tubal ligation. You can post links, just add spaces in them.
It seems you are either mistaken or lying.
I said it is restricted and id not say that abortion is illegal in germany. Google it again poland only allow it when you are raped or something like this
Wait
"Abortion in Poland is illegal except in cases of rape, when the woman's life or any form of health is in jeopardy, or if the fetus is irreparably damaged.[1][2]" - wikipedia
"Antwort : Die meisten Kliniken führen die Sterilisation ab einem Alter von 30 Jahren durch, manche sogar erst ab dem Alter von 35 Jahren. Allerdings können bestimmte Umstände dazu führen, dass der Eingriff schon früher durchgeführt wird"- netdoktor. at
Not all so called "feminists" are actually feminists so it's easy to say not all of them are toxic. If they have different meanings of what feminism really is, it only means they don't know what feminism really is but looking at it's aspect it's a one sided movement that don't demonstrate equality.
"It wasn't learning about men's rights that turned me away from feminism. It was learning about feminism that turned me away."
-Cassie Jay
Have you read the declaration of sentiment? Do you know of the mail and fire bombings, including an attempt on parliament, by the suffragettes? Do you know who Sally Miller-Greenheart is? What about Erin Pizzy? Do you know how the Duluth Model came to be?
I definitely think feminism as a concept isn't toxic but like people seem to do with everything, some people take it to extremes and make it toxic
true equality among the main two genders is almost never going to happen.
because not every task can be done by both of the main two genders in the same way.
they are just built differently.