Can't say "becoming" when it already HAS been a persistent issue since 2012, when Fourth Wave ("intersectional") Feminism became official after they all started reading Bell Hooks garbage. Regardless, I voted Yes, feminism is and always has been a problem in society. Any healthy society will reject misandry, the same way they'd reject misogyny, racism, and other forms of legitimate bigotry and hatred.
And FUCK this "feminism isn't toxic" bullshit! It literally always has been! I'm sick of people lying about this just as much as they do to defend the so-called "bad feminism." It's all bad! 100%! Feminism doesn't have a monopoly on women's rights or respecting them. It has always done the opposite, in fact. Assumed women were weak and pathetic. That second column in the second picture literally is NOT FUCKING FEMINISM! Feminism has always been a political movement for women's rights and social privileges (whether those rights and social privileges are deserved or not). It has literally never been "about gender equality." Not in any of it's 4.5 waves. That's just some tagline shit they made up in the early 2000's as a PR move. And yet, people keep trying to push this false narrative of "non-toxic feminism." I swear, it's like trying to paint Nazis as "the good guys." I'm so SICK of these blatant lies.
You can No True Scotsman your way out of it all you want, feminism's core narrative is that men rule the world and opress women in doing so.
With a premise like that, how can feminists not engage in the list on the left? Especially those with an immense amount of power over the minds of children and young adults so they know they will very likely get away with them. With a mindset like that, it's easy to believe that women will never have the same rights (they really mean privileges but they say rights for some reason) as men who have "all the rights". What rights do men have that are encoded in law that women don't? They never say.
Now because of feminism's social power, support for such things as: the removal of due process for male on female violence accusations, taxing men for simply being men, the disdain for shared custody, paying men less than women, the mocking of male victims of domestic abuse and sexual crimes, disruptions on any talk of male suicide or issues in general will only become more and more common.
I will even go as far as to say that feminism has been a page out of Hitler's playbook since its conception. The Declaration of Sentiments says the very same things feminists say today. Even if it doesn't, you can literally take Mein Kampf and replace certain words like "Jews" with "men" or other related buzzwords it should look familiar. It has actually been done before.
We need to be rid of this "movement" before the only solution that remains is a final one and feminists like Mary Daly will get her wish of the reduction the world male population to being a tenth of what it is now.
Toxic femininity doesn’t exist.. nice try tho
There is no female equivalent of the ways in which Toxic masculinity enables abuse.
The concept of "toxic masculinity" exists to highlight the organized, political nature of domestic violence and other forms of violence against women. While abuse by women aimed at adult men exists, it's exceedingly rare and when it isn't actually self-defense being mischaracterized as an abuse, it happens individualistically, not as part of a patriarchal pattern of political violence. Abuse by women aimed at children is much more common, but the roots of that abuse are also in patriarchy, not femininity. Child abuse is a way in which women can actively participate in supporting patriarchal structure, and Internalized sexism means that women, as well as men, will continue to abuse children as long as patriarchy continues.
I suggest you look at the pictures I posted, and those problems certainly exist. At 15 you probably don't have much life experience.
Do you remember this by the way 🤔
Which group of men do you consider to be the 'lowest' value? ↗
@asker lol no they don’t
Lol within 2 posts you have shown most the traits identified in that second picture.
Lol you’re a mens right activist.. the term toxic femininity is a made up term made by mens rights activists
Men have no idea what feminism is. I don’t care what a man tries to tell me about feminism because y’all don’t respect women. That’s clear, you posted this up to get a response and the second you do gas light me by saying “I couldn’t possibly know what I’m talking about at 15”
Than what the fuck would you know as a man who is clearly brainwashed by mra talking points
Respect women - the ones we meet that deserve it, yes. Respect you - nope.
@Screamsgutter Your pfp tells me everything I need to know about you. Quit your lazy ass excuses.
Just look at the downvotes
Just because my opinions unpopular doesn’t make it wrong lol. Just say you have no counter argument and move on
Another oppressed American woman in the land of the free. Self pity and blaming others for your problems and non existent systems of oppression, like systematic racism and the patriarchy don’t mean you’re a victim. What it does mean is your a self absorbed non hacker who needs to blame everyone else and fictions systems of oppression to make yourself feel better about your inadequacies.
Life is what you make of it. You harvest what you plant. You are responsible for you and no one else. Tattoo that on your forehead.
*fictious systems nit fictions
@caitycat21 you never responded to this comment you made. Which group of men do you consider to be the 'lowest' value? ↗
@Exterminatore just say you’re racist and move on, no one brang up racism but you
I would have a constructive conversation explaining how systems of oppression work and limit certain peoples opportunities but that would waste my time since you’ve already made it obvious to me you aren’t interested in an intellectual discussion
Nope. Not interested in debating concepts that clearly don’t exist with moral degenerates.
I can use theoretical physics to prove an elephant can hang off a cliff with its tail wrapped around a daisy. Doesn’t necessarily make it so. Likewise, complicated mental gymnastics don’t make things so. You can get me all kinds of text books, graphs, charts, or whatever. I don’t care. It’s pure crap.
You are responsible for you. Not men. Not white people. Period. Continue to blame others and continue to be in the same place in life.
So, you’re very much right. I’m not interested in discussing pure lies and garbage with anyone.
How the f did this get most helpful
Because I clearly helped a person in need of it
@Exterminatore thanks for proving my point
@cait
Which is what? You’re not responsible for you and your life and your decisions and it’s white people and men and Republicans and fictious systems of oppression to blame for your lot in life?
Why, every one is to blame but YOU isn’t that right?
On Judgment Day if you’re sent to Hell it will be the Devil’s fault not yours right?
Excuses, excuse, excuses. Go study history. Study the current nations of the world. Study past and present cultures. You will find no one has had it better at any time in history in any culture or place than Americans. Yet you want me to believe you in all of your what, 14 years or wisdom?
You have been fed lies and eaten them up.
Study for yourself through a purely objective lens and you will find you are not oppressed. You are a fake victim who is self absorbed and who has more opportunity for a good life than all the other peoples on this planet at current time to include historically.
Meanwhile straight white men are the ones who are discriminated against. No one is waking around saying: “all Asians are racist and oppressors of all other races and women automatically upon birth” but they are saying that about straight, and particularly white men aren’t they? Look at your beloved Woke ideology and what it teaches. That’s called racism and sexism and the only open system or hidden system of oppression is against straight white men.
Are you tired of repeating the same words?
That’s all you got huh? Can’t refute anything can you?
I’ve already refuted. You’re the one that refuses to refute my arguments by saying “I don’t believe in patriarchy”
You have a clear double standard. Apparently I’m expected to always refute your bullshit arguments but when you refuse to even engage with my arguments I’m just supposed to accept it?
I'm not sure how big of a problem it is but it certainly is a problem, just toxic masculinity is. Some women use feminism as an excuse to hate men and make degrading assumptions about them. Those people aren't really feminists. A real feminist cares about women's issues and women's rights but also cares about issues men in society face. A real feminist also treats both men and women with respect. I can tell there definitely are some misandrists on this site. It's a good thing I'm not following them.
A real feminist cares about women’s issues to the exclusion of mens issues. They’re not interested in equality.
Sick of this crap floating around too. Like there are good feminists and not good ones. The whole lot of feminists are evil. They promote injustice. Being concerned about woman’s issues only shows they are not interested in equality.
Show me one feminist who is saying anything about mens issues. In fact break down the the term itself femin- from the Latin word femina for female shows who they’re only interested in. As if women don’t have more rights and privileges in the west as men. As if they face any real issues at all.
Oh that’s right man spreading. Silly me. Men taking up too much space on the subway is serious oppression to women.
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@caitycat21 As a woman, I can say that toxic feminism absolutely does exist. You wouldn’t believe how many men I’ve personally seen treated like dog s*** by women and it’s quite horrible that you believe men can’t suffer from the same crap that women do. A friend of mine had a horrible relationship with a girl that abused and manipulated him in many ways. She would beat on him a lot, but he obviously couldn’t defend himself at the slightest or else he would’ve been labeled as an ‘abuser’. Thankfully he eventually found the strength to leave that psychopath of a woman.
Back in the day there were moral obligations to marriage... meaning ever state was an at fault state. Now days "non-at-fault" means a person can do what ever they want to you in a marriage... lie, cheat and steal and get equal treatment under the law. So there is no moral value legally protected by law when you marry someone. These change promoted by feminists in order to protect women... but ultimately I think based upon my experience that its just another way to abuse men and allow people to avoid any responsibility for there own actions. And actually it debases the values that were once up held by marriage.
No it's not becoming a problem
It already has become a problem
The gender hate is rising
And soon men and women will want to stay away from each other and it will be a good thing
Right now I know a good number of men who will never ever let a female even talk to them in real life face to face And the number is rising
it has become long ago. feminists like to claim feminists are to be attributed for female voting rights and more women in the labour force. but the truth is, that is not true for the most part. the fact that women "can" be competetive in the labour market through changes in how modern work is done and simple stuff like female sanitary articles like tampons enabled women to be employable. not their very annoying, screeching and colorful haired specimen. those only made shit worse for women. like forcing a female quota. quota is a tool to force "statistical equality" at the price of freedom and equity.
everyone who visited a social science 101 course and doesn't get their opinions from tik tok knows that "inequality" is by no means "unfair".
100% and respect to the women who call it out, instead of making excuses for other women's bullshit, which is probably a trait of toxic femininity.
The blatant misandry from some is unreal too, so thanks for calling it out, but I'm certain that some other women will have no problem making excuses for her, whilst having no problem bashing a man if he were bashing women.
Real feminism isn't toxic, the women who still identify as feminist, when they aren't at all feminist are toxic. True feminist women refuse to call themselves a feminist because of misandrist and women who turn a blind eye to men's issues. You can't be against men and be a feminist at the same time. Just because the women who haven't declared men as the enemy and actually want men and women to be treated equally don't refer to themselves as feminist, doesn't actually mean that they aren't feminist. The real issue is with toxic femininity.
Toxic feminism has been a problem for a long time, and the female who posted "Toxic femininity doesn’t exist.. nice try tho" is herself a shining example of it. She is constantly posting misandry on GAG, such as the "Most men are shit" she posted here:
Which group of men do you consider to be the 'lowest' value?
Feminism is dying out now but it doesn't matter because the damage is already done and the damage is irreparable. All the myths that the feminists promoted and the mindset and behavior which men find repulsive has already taken root in the current generation. The sad part is that they didn't even manage to put a dent in the rape rate.
The problem seems to be more with identity politics, and toxic feminism is part of that. The only reason why feminists blame "toxic masculinity" is because they don't want to talk about natural hormones or gender roles. Even opening the car door for a lady is considered "toxic" these days.
It already is a problem.
Because at this point feminism is just making up issues women face to keep itself alive.
Women have more rights, they are prioritized with gender quotas and affirmative action programs and so on.
Yes it is because women see being submissive to their husbands as a negative thing feminist have told these women that if you submit to a man he will beat you and cheat on you which is the biggest load of crap I ever heard and girls sitting around wondering how do I get a man um submit to him sweetheart he will fucking love you not abuse you it’s one of the biggest lies feminist fed women
I don't really know how to answer because I didn't even know femiminsts still existed till I came here. Is it feminism or misandry I guess now they both mean the same thing.
Not sure, i guess. There are issues like divorce courts favoring mothers more. But there’s also even worse stats on deadbeat dads. So, not sure I guess.
Technically, any group can be “toxic”. It just depends how much power the group has.
I would say toxic tribalism is a problem everyone thinking in terms of us and them is a problem we need to think of ourselves as Individuals worthy of respect and as having rights that need to be recognized
There is no such thing as toxic femininity, just as there is no such thing as toxic masculinity.
Nothing wrong with being a woman and nothing wrong with being a man.
When people lose the meaning of a word (or label) it becomes pointless.
It’s not becoming a problem, it has been a problem for years.
If you mean in America your whole society appears to be toxic. In the UK radical feminists are rightly viewed by the majority as borderline nutcases.
The incept of feminism was toxic as are all the off shoots.
Feminism IS both toxic feminity and toxic masculinity. It is definitely a huge problem.
yes, same as toxic masculinity of course
We should ban both feminism and misogyny so we can hire based on skills instead of sexism
I think it's the stupid parts of tiktok and cringe compilations from 7 years ago mostly
So we are supposed to forgive and forget decades of oppression? Haha nice try!
Oppression?
Yes, female species has been oppressed for long enough.
And they're the only ones?
There's also black people and homosexuals.
What about white males?
What about them?
Can they be oppressed?
All men can be possibly oppressed. They're not.
Yes all men can be, so don't u think it's fair to say both males and females deal with problems?
But females have more problems.
How do. you know?
I've seen my mother work hard and my father, who is an house husband, he still plays the dominant role in the patriarchal household. Trust me, I know. Women would never be "good enough" for you guys.
And I've seen woman do almost nothing and get half a man's poessesions.
aren't men stupid not enough to draw a prenup? Lmao.
They would have probably got together before those days.
Don't make excuses.
It's no excuse divorcing used to be rare, do basic research
So just for the sake of money, two people should live together in confinement of marriage? Wow, that's messed up.
@lrina thanks for the acknowledgement
Women weren't oppressed. You just think they were oppressed because society and people/families had different a dynamic back then and probably seems alien to younger generations today. Spools of feminist propaganda has spun lots of fallacies as well. There are women who lived back then and are still alive who'll roll their eyes and say 'why, 'cuz we had to stay home with the kids? My husband painted houses in some crappy neighborhoods when he wasn't carrying blocks of ice to upstairs apartments. I think I got the better end of the deal." If anyone should be bitter for 'decades of oppression' it'd be those women. Not someone who can barely get into bars, if that is your true age.
Women say they have more problems - everything from being victims of violence and harassment to biological differences exclusive to them no one can do anything about or has any fault in. Yet I seldom find any who can name three mens' issues (that men actually consider issues and not manufactured issues imagined by women).
And nothing says "I will love and trust you forever" like the presentation of a prenup. Yes, divorce was rare and was actually hard to achieve, and at first to all but wealthy families prenups were barely known (and were more used by the wife's family if it was wealthy, not the husband's).
But that oppression didn't happen to you and current men didn't do it.
It's like punishing you for a crime what your grandmother did.
Will it be fair?
@postaldudePL123 exactly!
Any movement can end up taking on toxic ideals
Most definitely a problem.
"becoming"? The "becoming" was like 40 years ago
Its been a problem since the 60s.
I've got rickets in my bones
It has been a big problem for a while now
It has been a problem since at least 2014.
ya bitches be crazy
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