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I don't have the numbers on Denmark but I do for Canada. So they say its "free", but its far from it. In fact Canadians pay substantially more for it over their life time then americans do. Roughly a little under 50% of Canadas budget goes to healthcare (dependent on the year), which means 50% of Canadians taxes (about 30% tax rate (significantly lower then Denmarks)) goes to healthcare. This comes out to be about 7,000-8,000 per person, per year for roughly 50 years of their life (presuming they start work at the age of 18 and retire at 70(their is some give or take here as some start working younger, others older some retire early some don't retire at all, some have multiple jobs etc.).
This comes out to be about 400,000 dollars spent on healthcare over their life span regardless of whether or not they have used it (and ignoring that their own supreme court stated that banning private healthcare and forcing people to use public healthcare only was "inhumane" due to its insane weight times that cost thousands of people their lives each year, lives that could have been much more easily saved and it doesn't take into account how often Canadians come to the US for healthcare and pay out of pocket here (estimated 63,000 canadain left Canada for medical precedures elsewhere (primarily in the US)).
Now if you look at the average cost of the US insurance, its about 400 dollars annually. Take into account the 50 year period like with Canada and you get about 20,000 dollars spent in your life time for medical care that your not using. When you factor in the smaller bills for check ups, the out of pockets you probably have at most 50,000 dollars in your life time. But even then that doesn't include the fact that since its voluntary most people don't actually get health insurance until around the age of 30 so its even lower then that. Then when you factor in that with government involvement in hospitals and regulations and lobbying, and medicare and Medicaid we have actually seen a 600% increase in prices since the 60s so technically ours has gotten that much more expensive and its still far cheaper then every other nations.
In short, as always, free is the most expensive thing you will ever buy. I'm good with what we have.
I heard the horror stories. You pay a shit ton of money but still end up getting shit health care. At least with private health care you'll get good service.
Yep. If you look at the statistics (honestly that is) the US has the best healthcare system in the world with some of the lowest wait times, most advanced procedures and medicine, most testing and screening, with seven times higher survival rates, and lower costs (despite claims to the contrary (as I pointed out)). I mean if socialized healthcare worked so well, people in the US would be flying to Venezeula, cuba, china, Russia, Canada or other European nations for healthcare, however the opposite is true and most fly here for ours.
I think you mean $400 a month, not annually for insurance in the US
@Wonderer89 Nope, annually. Although its apparently gone up slightly since this year it seems to be 500$ annually. www.valuepenguin.com/average-cost-of-health-insurance
If you scroll down through all their tables though, that indicates a monthly premium. I can’t find anywhere on that page (or other sites) that give $400 as an annual average
@Wonderer89 You don't need to scroll down, its the first thing it says, "The average annual cost of health insurance in the United States was $403." Annual i. e. yearly not monthly. I do see that they have some strange charts which can be confusing (I did not use this site the first time I calculated this (can't find the link), however here is another that puts it around what I stated: www.healthinsuranceproviders.com/.../
However it is possible that this is factoring in what is paid by employers and not the individuals which could be inflating that number, but again I have made multiple searches and it says this is the annual cost per person (so again, it may be putting down the amount paid by employers since that is how most people get their insurance). Even then it would still be far less then what Canada costs.
The top number appears to be a typo given the information found there and from various other sources... No one I know pays less than $300 per month for their insurance unless they’re only receiving Medicaid and whenever I look for prices myself I’ve NEVER come across anything for $30 a month. The generic google response comes from that site, which isn’t backed up by its detailed information (hence thinking its a typo)
@Wonderer89 But I gave you other sources that stated the same so clearly not a typo. I'm sorry you don't know of any one else who pays that, but again, this is the average meaning that most not all people pay about that amount. Perhaps you and your friends do not get your insurance through your employers? I didn't pay 400 dollars a month for health insurance a month (I would never have been able to survive on that) and I had dental as well. Also again, it would be irrelevant because its still far less then what those in nations with socialized healthcare pay. So you have that site, the second site I gave (Their was a third I do not have a link to because I didn't think to save it) all stating the same thing, as well as my personal experiences (not that anecdotal evidence is evidence), so again, I do stand by my statement. So as stated even if we say its what your saying it is (again, I do believe those numbers are factoring in what the companies pay), we would still have half the amount as socialized healthcare.
You gave one other source that doesn’t work outside the US, so we’re still back to the original link that’s own detail doesn’t support its header (but does support $4000 annually)
But here are seven sources indicating insurance is a lot more than $30 a month, more around the $400 average without employer contributions for which only 70% of people receive
www.investopedia.com/how-much-does-health-insurance-cost-4774184
www.ehealthinsurance.com/.../how-much-does-individual-health-insurance-cost
www.bloomberg.com/.../why-is-health-insurance-so-expensive-20-000-a-year-for-coverage
www.healthmarkets.com/.../health-insurance-cost-per-month
www.thebalance.com/what-is-the-average-health-insurance-premium-4586358
www.businessinsider.com/.../cost-of-healthcare-countries-ranked-2019-3
www.cnbc.com/.../...are-today-as-in-the-1980s.html
@Wonderer89 As stated, the two sources stated 400 to 500 annually for US citizens (never made any claims about any other group in the world so why would I provide sources that didn't apply to other nations?). Second, again, it would be completely irrelevant to begin with (why are you ignoring that point?) so your fixating on one part which I pointed out I simply used the three different sources I had available, but not the actual argument that shows that even with what your saying being considered true (and sure, its entirely possible that the three sources I had all where typos, I don't know but it doesn't seem that likely (again, are we factoring in what individuals pay and what the business pays or is this just the people? That is the likely scenario, that this is total payment by company and by the individual. Again, this is something you have not addressed and completely ignored)), it would be completely irrelevant because its STILL A CHEAPER AND SUPERIOR SYSTEM. So I have to ask why are you ignoring everything else and fixating on this one thing (which I pointed out the more then likely disconnect several times which you refused to even acknowledge)? Do you think this will some how validate socialized healthcare? Do you think this proves the inferiority of the US system? Why ignore everything else, fixate on one aspect which I have already provided my sources for and provided an explanation for the disconnect which again, you have completely dismissed and ignored in order to single mindedly push one claim, one that was already addressed several times? What do you gain?
Because I’m asking for ONE source that I can access that states the average American health insurance policy costs $400. The only source that states it conflicts it’s own information when you actually read more of the header, hence asking for an actual source that’s consistent with that statement.
Your second source doesn’t work on IP’s outside the USA.
So literally everything available is completely contrary to your statement and puts the US’s cost on healthcare on par (or more than for families) with those who have universal healthcare funded by tax.
So never mind, going through so many websites gave me the answer I was looking for in confirming my own experience and knowledge that was seemingly conflicted by your comment is indeed still relative to the current premiums
@Wonderer89 Well one that is factually incorrect. I provided the source, provided the second, then pointed out that even if we ignore that and say that my sources where entirely wrong (again, not saying they are or not, its irrelevant) that places it at four hundred a month, that makes it about 5,000 a year (rounding up), then you multiple that by 50(the years actively working) and you get 240,000 which is half the costs of socialized healthcare systems. So no, not only is that not more, it, again, even taking into account that the three sources I have are wrong, is half of what others pay not including the over all superiority of our system when it comes to survival (seven times higher rates), better screening, shorter wait times, greater medical innovations etc. etc. So again you are wrong.
So that is your goal then? To try and lie (knowingly, you could have easily done the math yourself) in order to justify your healthcare system that is far inferior to ours? Seems rather dishonest. I mean don't get me wrong, I don't care what other nations do, I'm only frustrated with people like yourself who demand that we change our ways to fit YOUR ideas of what is preferable. I'm made even more so because its a provably less effective system (for instance Canadas supreme court ruled it was, "inhumane" to ban people from using private healthcare specifically do to the insane wait times and limited access to proper health care (doesn't matter if your procedure is "free"(twice as much as the US's system would make it (if we ignore all of my points and data)) if your dead a year before your eligible to get it.).
The goal was simply to see if your numbers are correct based on my own interest because I have friends and family who pay 10x that and that maybe they could have better. There wasn’t an alterior motive, it was simply an interest question that turned into “let me prove how big of a dick I am without backing up my “factual” statement”.
You were just wrong. Ok. Don’t know why it took two days to get to that
@Wonderer89 Except I wasn't, I presented my source, I explained the discrepancy (businesses pay into health insurance), and then you ignored all of that, stated I was wrong over and over again, I then stated this is what the sources I used said (again, provided an additional source) and stated how this however wouldn't matter as what I stated is still accurate. You tehn proceeded to ignore all of that, repeating the same thing over and over again, and then are now angry when I ask what your motive is as you are clearly not listening to anything that is stated? I'm sorry, but I wasn't being a dick, I provided the sources, provided an explanation for the discrepencies, pointed out that what I stated still stands even if we presume that I was wrong (and even stated is possible but again, I was basing it off several sources that all said the same thing (even admitting that another source stated it was roughly 500 dollars a year not 400(I was being very transparent)). I'm sorry, but you are the one who was rude and getting aggressive, I was simply trying to understand why. Again, here is a source pointing out that this is 400 a month if your buying through the market place i. e. not through your company which is the numbers your pointing to: www.thebalance.com/average-health-insurance-cost-for-single-male-4582170
However most americans get insurance through their work so their costs are dramatically lower. Again, I'm not sure why your so angry and aggressive over something that you claim is not personal, dismissing everything that I stated, my explanation for the discrepancy etc. SO now I have to presume that is your problem, you were just trying to belittle the US and myself (as that is yoru immediate response to this (again, you ignored the sources, you ignored the statement were I explained that most get their insurance through work so it actually costs substantially less etc.).
the income tax in China grows pretty quickly. Even the poorest class in china pays 3% income tax, and they don't have very many/big deductions and credits. Anybody who makes more than $80,000 per year pays 45% income tax in China... and your taxes are calculated and due on a monthly basis.
the average rich person or corporation in the United States only actually pays a marginal tax rate of about 15%. Warren Buffet only pays a Marginal Tax rate of about 15%, and he's one of the richest people on Earth. He even admitted that his secretaries pay a higher marginal tax rate than him, and he's said several times that he's willing to pay a higher tax rate if all the other rich people are required to pay more taxes.
In the Old Testament of the bible, the required tithing and taxes on rich people comes to about 60% annually or tri-annually (for lumber) and every 50th year everyone's possessions are divided equally among the poor people. This is to prevent a rich family from monopolizing all of the land due to other people's misfortune, BECAUSE you should not be born rich just because you were born in the right womb (Warren Buffet even says so) and you should not be doomed to be poor all your life just because you were born in the wrong womb. So the "Year of Jubilee" is intended to distribute the rich family's wealthy back among the poor people, because the poor people are the ones who did the labor that made the rich family rich in the first place.
If I were President or Senator, I'd put a 7 year limit on Patents, and I'd massively increase the taxes on people who make $200k per year or more, especially millionaires and billionaires... and I'd have a minimum 60% tax on clergy and religious organizations in general, because the Bible has a 60% Tithe/tax on rich people.
Wow, you are both Biblically and economically ignorant. How about giving some ignorant advice on relationships so you can have a hat trick?
I live in Australia which also has universal healthcare, the average tax rate is 35%ish with a tier system the more you earn.
We have a two tiered health system, the public which everyone pays 1.5% of their income towards (covered in the above percentage) which covers GP’s, emergency and elective procedures. Elective can have a decent wait but emergency care like cancer, accidents or life threatening things are straight away.
The second tier is optional, for people to take out private health insurance which gives access to more specialists (most of them still work in the public system in some form), private facilities and little to no waiting time. High income earners are encouraged to pay into this system, by an extra tax levy of 1-2% if they don’t have the private insurance.
Im more than happy to pay into both, and have used both quite a bit. It’s not perfect and it could be done in a more cost effect manner but it’s so, so much better than not having “free” healthcare
No I wouldn't.
If such an option were to exist, it should be like Denmark or Sweden (don't remember which one) where the lower income people actually pay taxes (unlike the US), and they pay more, since they disproportionately benefit from social programs.
Also, if one were to opt out from government paid or provided healthcare, they should be eligible for a tax deduction or credit. I don't like that pretty much people who "opt out", truly can't because even if they have their own private coverage, they still have to subsidize everyone else's coverage.
That's the only way I'd probably support this. But still no.
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No, I wouldn't.
Taxes in Denmark are such a disincentive that there's a special lower tax rate for expatriates, that you can qualify for. Once that three years is up, very few professionals seem to stay. Wonder why?
https://www.bdo.dk/en-gb/insights/tax-and-vat/27-percent-tax-regime
A number of years ago, I was offered a job in Denmark, which is why I looked into this. At the time, you'd get the 30% rate for 36 months, and since then, this seems to have changed to a 27% rate for 84 months. That speaks for itself.
OECD figured out here in Germany we have ~52% taxes. Personally when I calculate my income and how much of it goes to taxes, it's even higher, because a lot of things are taxed multiple times.
And while the healthcare has its advantages here, it also has a shitton of disadvantages - because government can't run things properly due to their monopoly on running it and thus the quality of service decreasing. So generally I am for less government involvement - and in return lower taxes.
In addition to this I don't think the key problem of the US is not having "free" healthcare, but a lot of factors that make medical services very expensive (studying for doctors being very expensive, long-lasting patenting-laws, ridiculous amounts of cost for being sued, etc.)
Denmark also has SIGNIFICANTLY lower immigration than, say, the United States, and has had significantly lower immigration for generations. Further, Denmark has a homogeneous culture, and a fairly well-off one at that.
In a country like the USA, where we have comparatively massive (legal) immigration, with tons of ILLEGAL immigration on top of that, with many different races and cultures and socio-economic levels, such a system would be unsustainable. Even if we completely for 50 years, we'd still have far larger income disparity and cultural friction, because of past immigration levels and because of slavery in the past.
There are other differences as well, but that's more than enough to make the idea an economic disaster.
I tracked my income for two years and itemized absolutely everything. Interestingly, my total tax rate for the year was around 50% including all fuel, sales, use, property, investment, and payroll taxes.
America already has that tax rate, but prefers to hide it in microtaxation, on several different levels, offering virtually nothing to the taxed citizens in return, though the real crime are the tax rates for higher levels of income and corporations. America is great to grow a business: not that great to raise a family.
here in the UK the tax I believe isn't that high to cover the free healthcare, most of out taxation goes towards the politicians and local councils and other services
only reason why our free health care though is struggling atm is cos the current government are underfunding, diverting funds from the NHS and rediverting it to their own pockets... at the same time as they are asset stripping the country and the NHS of resources
Already doing it where I live no one here is complaining about it because at the end of the day we all eventually need to see the GP and have to stay in hospital I like knowing that I can hand over my Medicare card and I can see the doctor and get my prescriptions and not have to worry about not being able to afford to see the doctor
Well, consider how much healthcare costs you otherwise; my employer is paying 80% of the cost of mine, but that is money they could be paying me. And I'm still paying the other 20%, plus the first $500 for annual costs, plus a percentage of actual that is not covered.
Considering that thanks to "free" healthcare incentivizing doctors to work less and go home when they're needed the most is the reason why my fiancee is dead because they refused to wash her stomach and instead wasted time with cold patients, if "free" healthcare comes to this country, everyone who votes for it has blood on their hands, I will shed the blood of those who vote for that, mark my words.
it's not that simple. The U. S. has horrible administration of tax money, with a huge percentage being used for political patronage and not for the reasons the average American desires.
While I admit our current health care system is a mess, I simply do not trust our government with the kind of power and resources needed for a single-payer health care system.
We pay at least That unless your poor... just think..35% income... then another 10% whem you buy something... then there's local taxes property taxes not to mention social security and medicare taxes they help themselves to. .. oh and dont forget state taxes. We easily pay more than them and dont get much
It would either be beneficial to you while someone else pays for it or you are the one paying for it (and for other). Free means nothing, nothing is free.
Absolutely. I wouldn’t want to live in a country where people die because they can’t afford insulin lol
Another line people love to use lol. People who have low wages could apply for medicaid. My mom is covered by medicaid and was diagnosed with cancer not to long ago. Medicaid covered everything surgery, radiation, hormone therapy etc. All she had to do was pay 50 dollars one time. There's plans for insulin too or you could buy them at Walmart for 25$ over the counter.
Except the fact is that around 26000 Americans die each year because they can't afford medicine. This doesn't happen in every other developed country on earth where it's free. It's actually insane that the USA is the only country on earth that's developed and doesn't have free healthcare
Donate to charity? Tax is a requirement.
@sensible27 taxation is the most efficient way to provide health care... donations wouldn't be enough to support the entire system.
That wasn't exactly the point. The point was if you want something to happen you should be the one to pay for it, the burden shouldn't be offloaded to the average taxpayers. Competetive bidding systems for healthcare is the most effective/efficient way to lower the prices down, mindlessly throwing money at things doesn't really provide the most efficient solution. In principle (maybe) you can argue that the saved life or an educated/skilled person/laborer would indirectly return the money/value to the taxpayer but it still doesn't exactly seem super fair does it...
@sensible27 why do Canadians spend half the amount in tax dollars as Americans do in private healthcare, and Americans still end up with worse outcomes? If competitive bidding is so efficient, why is American healthcare by far the most expensive in the world, with socialised medicine being far far cheaper.
Canada insulin costs 30$ per vial, USA it costs $320. Canada is non-profit and the USA is for profit. Can you explain that?
And you could buy insulin at cvs for 25$ per vial. You know thousands of Canadians come to the u. s because of the possible ridiculous wait times. When waiting is not possible for something as important like surgery they come to the u. s. Not so great as you might imagine.
Competetive bidding still doesn't exist in the us (at least I think so/as far as I know).
No it is so much better. Can you send me a link for the 25$ vile? I don’t believe you. It’s 325$ since I last checked. Canada is free if you’re under 25 and 30$ if you’re over. It’s so so so much better. Guess who invented insulin? Some Canadians using tax payer money for research and they gave the patent away for free because they wanted everyone to get it for as cheap as possible. Socialism in action.
Lol congratulations Canada invented something 👏 I'm not going to start a pissing contest and tell you everything the u. s invited and I'm not going to send you the links. Fact check me if you want. Both the u. s and the Canadian health care system have flaws. You don't have to act like it's perfect
Oh no its not perfect at all, but the Canadian system is just so much better than the American system. It's a shame, the USA is the only developed country where citizens regularly die (by the 10s of thousands) because they can't afford healthcare.
Lol it's obvious now you don't care about statistics and facts so I won't bother going around in circles. Nice talking to you ✌
I get free health care and prescriptions in my country. Very few have any problems with it being paid through by tax.
In the u. s. about 30% goes to taxes and about 30% goes to health care. 45% to both taxes and heath care is a huge bargain.
The hell? Where do you live? The u. s on average income tax is 22-24%
Lol something like that isn't an answer. It's actually not cheaper maybe if your poor but even then you'll have Medicare. If you add another 20 something % for health care the average wage worker will pay pretty much paying another 1k just for health insurance. That's more then you would pay outright for insurance. Not to mention 49% Americans are already covered by they're employer.
It's comes out of your pay check we don't need another 20% slapped on our income.
Whatever you're thinking it costs us now, a single payer system would cost less for the majority of people. That's the way insurance works. And, frankly, the main thing making health insurance so expensive is that hospitals increases costs to offer an exclusive discount to the insured (so you have to have it). If everyone is insured that practice goes away.
And another main thing is, of course, that health insurance companies must make a profit. The U. S. government not only doesn't need to make a profit, that is arguably the Way Taxes Are Supposed to Function.
Now, I'm quite sure these are things you already knew. The fact that you're choosing to ignore them only tells me your willingness to be ripped off has nothing to do with health care. I don't know what thing you are afraid of that your far right fake news has badgered you into associating with health care, but maybe reflect on why you're afraid of it and then perhaps also if it's really reasonable to give more money to rich scammers as a solution, and if it is why hasn't it worked yet?
Only a fool will agree to pay 45% of their income on taxes. I support universal decent healthcare for every citizen of a nation but no way it will be close to 45% of individual taxes.
Yeah. A hospital bill and medication in the U. S. costs way more than that.
No, it's not technically free, it's just much, much, much, much cheaper than in the US.
Have you ran the numbers?
Yes. My grandma's hospital bill was $1.3 million dollars. The amount you pay per year on taxes in Australia on an income between 37k and 90k annually is $3,572, plus 32.5 cent for every dollar earned after 37,000. That is significantly less than 1.3 million dollars.
Not counting the cost of medication over the course of your life.
Or regular checkups.
She's in the u. s right? What did she have that costed those prices if you don't mind me asking
It would be a cost benefit analysis for me. Cost of current taxes insurance premiums deductible and out of pocket expenditures, the costs probably aren't that much different to the point it is worth at least considering.
I'm opposed to the income tax, period. The United States abolished slavery but has taxation systems - federal and state - that makes most of us de facto slaves who work for nothing for 1/4 to 1/2 of the year.
They have free healthcare, better basic education, more accessible college education, better social programs, etc etc.
No they don’t. For every action there’s an equal and opposite reaction. What you gain in one area you will lose in another. You’re not hearing all of it. All you hear is free. Nothing is free
@reptocarl2 yes. That would be where the tax rate comes in...
Nope. When you have regulations you start losing freedom of choices. You think social medicine is going to pay for experimental treatment? Your access to many different types of meds will be limited too. As far as education it isn’t money required. The only way you’re going to increase test scores is to lengthen the school day and lengthen the school year. That’s it. You want test scores like the Japanese kids then you have to work like they do. It’s that simple. That doesn’t cost anything but Americans will not do it.
@reptocarl2 all of that is already the reality for most of us. So why the fuck would I care if the elite few have better options? They sure don't care about us.
Right now if you don’t like a Dr you’re free to go to hundreds of others. But once you’re on socialized medical those choices will be way way less. My friend in San Antonio the ninth largest city in America is on Medicaid and only has access to two neurologists in the entire city with long wait times. If she was able to work and afford insurance or have employer provided insurance do you know how many neurologists she would then have access to? These are things they’re not telling you nor are you researching
That isn’t the reality for most.
I’m blue collar and I have employer insurance. I can go anywhere. I’m just an hourly aircraft mechanic. Far from elite
@reptocarl2 in America indigent people get decent healthcare, wealthy people can afford it, and the majority of people in the middle can't afford their healthcare options. My mom is on MediCAL in California and has seen several neurologists and specialists for her serious autoimmune disorder. Furthermore, I would rather everyone have access. That's my priority and that's why I feel the way I do. Your anecdotal story holds no more weight than mine does. You can look up horror stories and success stories in any country with socialized medicine. Medical emergencies should not bankrupt you.
So you want everyone as pathetic as you. You don’t want anyone to have anything better. Not even your own kids. How selfish
@reptocarl2 and that's great until you get cancer or get in an accident.
@reptocarl2 jokes on you. I don't want kids.
Wanna bet? I’ve been in a major accident. Burned 20% of my body. I didn’t have any problems getting treatment or rehab
Again because you’re selfish
@reptocarl2 and you're forgetting, I think socialized medicine would be something better for future generations. Furthermore, I have insurance and can afford regular shit. I am an attorney and would still not be able to afford a serious medical crisis. Nice try on the attack once I made a point, though.
@reptocarl2 yes so selfish I want everyone to have access to life-saving medical care.
We already have it for those that can’t afford it. It’s called Medicare. The ones that are on it hate it because of fewer choices. It isn’t a solution
I’ve never been turned away. Ever
@reptocarl2 it's not only a solution. It's the only solution that makes sense.
No it isn’t. Instead of forcing everyone to be the same let the ones that want it have it and the ones that don’t keep it the way it is. You seem to have ignored Obama’s great lie “you can keep your Dr” remember that one? Anytime you get the government involved in anything it fucks it up. This is especially funny coming from a liberal that already hates and has a massive mistrust of government but you want more of it in your life
@reptocarl2 yeah he also didn't pass universal healthcare... the ACA was a fail. More capitalist bullshit. Glad we can agree.
You wanted Obamacare. The republicans told you it wasn’t a good idea but you didn’t listen. Well you voted for it, you got it and now you hate it and want it changed. I think that’s hilarious
@reptocarl2 No. We wanted socialized medicine. The aca was a compromise that didn't need to be made. Public mandates originated as a conservative idea/alternative to socialized medicine back in the 80's and were suggested by them when socialized medicine was introduced again before the ACA. Please educate yourself.
The word socialism doesn’t scare you any in spite of it being a failure everywhere? You get educated. I didn’t vote for Obama. You did
@reptocarl2 I already got educated once but I'll do it again and check back with you in another 7 years.
Ok bye
There was a news report recently on the primary school kids and how they were responding to lockdown. All these little 8 year old shits were speaking better English than the average American :P
And yes, I agree that socialism and government spending is awful. Need to take it away from the military in the US!
Denmark isn't the only country with "free" healthcare. We have it in the UK and we aren't greatly taxed at this point in our history. But Denmark probably has better provision than we do.
Nothing is truly free, however of all the things we wast taxes on healthcare is worth it no matter how high it is. It’s investing in your health
the US spends twice as much per capita than any other developed nation only to have the worst healthcare in every category. in a reasonable country there would be no debate
Doesn't really matter, if the Americans had higher taxes, they would just spend the money on another rocket launcher anyway.
We have to many fucking taxes already. If it's through taxes then technically it's not free healthcare
it's not exactly free, if you litterally pay for it, is it? xD
Hell yes. And Denmark is just one of MANY examples.
I already pay it, I'm glad to live in a country where that's the case.
You're basically paying for health care with your taxes. lol.
Universal Healthcare paid by government is bad. Look at the veterans administration. The wait times poor treatment loss of files.. the list goes on
they are forcing covid vaccines in denmark right now
THE GOVERNMENT IS INSANE
vaccines only damage the people
You should move there and take advantage of that free mental health care.
@CupcakeKiller
good luck talking to all those children who died from vaccines
I avoid talking to children anyway.
@CupcakeKiller
good now leave me alone you dumb atheist
Oh, a fan I see.
Are they really?
There is no such thing as "free" Only stealing from one person to pay for someone else.
No. As it is, the American government needs to be reduced along with taxes.
No because in my country we already pay more taxes than denmark and we dont have free healthcare
Doing that now and it's the perfect system 🇦🇺
well I would hardly call that free with a 45% tax rate
I already live in Canada so yeah
My country does that...
Denmark on average is 45% income tax
Lol I read your comment wrong. What country do you live in? You pay 45% too?
Holly hell is that average? That's outrageous almost half your income screw that
What's the average income over there
If you could choose would you keep the 47% income tax or cut that tax in half with affordable health insurance
I mean yes, but I live here, so
who would not vote for free health care
Those who don't want to spend half their income on taxes. "Free health care" is not free it's all an illusion lol
Lol die? Nice one. If your at the poverty line or elderly you can qualify for Medicare or medical. My mom has various health issues and qualified for medical she pays almost no out of pocket for all the surgeries, prescription and doctors appointments.
For those who make average wage which is about 50 k a year. It's cheaper if they paid for health insurance themselves as apposed to an additional 20 something % raise in taxes. That 20% raise in taxes will be more money taked out of your check then the money you would spend on your own insurance.
That is my future. So why not
Yeap
Thats Denmark what goes on there stays there.
Fuck no
nothing is free
Sure
Yeah
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