Thanks for the input, go take care of your own problems before condemning other countries. didn't John Boyega have a BLM moment in the UK? aren't you up to your tits in grooming gangs? Piss off.
@DSimus It's obvious he didn't see the video and he's just re-blasting Media lies. The rioters were clearly the aggressors, it was no execution. One of the meth out rioters even lunged at him yelling: "Kill me! Kill me!". He was armed and lunged at Kyle and was shot in the head. When Kyle went to call the Police the other rioters tried to kill him. He was there legitimately, rioters were not however.
you could accuse anyone who is engaged in self defence of being "judge jury and executioner" that's fine though because there is no time for due process if your life is in dangeri for one am so thankful we have easy access to guns so we can fight communists. i'm GLAD it was life or death because all fights against communists are life and death, they will slaughter millions if we don't stop themthey fired first. he fired back. that's all that matters
@LevinAs an American, I am glad we had our revolution to get away from asshats like you. Somebody was going to be an executioner that night. It would either be Kyle or his assailants.
@joeblow123 Gag AI bot disagrees...
Then go agree with bots and algorithms. You're basically the same thing at this point
@TienShenhan hahaha, fuckin' SAVAGE
@LevinSo those who are devoid of intelligence and reasoning like your comment. Not only that but the GAG AI bot likes your comment too.
Depending on his state once you'll 16, you can legally own and have a weapon. I think he should be charged and convicted with crossing a gun into another state which I think its illegal, but as far the the two dudes he killed, nothing should happen to him since he blasted them in self defense.
Ah, ok, wasn’t aware 16 was the age limit. Whole thing is kind of a “play stupid games, win stupid prizes” situation to me, haha
In at least one of the two states, it was illegal for him to posess the firearm. There was no Molotov cocktail, it was a plastic bag with something in it, which happened to catch the lights in the carpark.
you think he's a cunt for defending his family property against violent communists? he's a national heroi wish you had an ounce of the sense of duty he did
@007kingifrit It's "his family property" now, is it? That's a new one (so probably a lie). He lives in another state, and I'm sure that would have come up before. Apart from anything else, his family would probably have told him to go home.
@goaded no they didn't tell him to go home, he was allowed to be there. and by the way the firearm never crossed any state lines as it was loaned to himthere is no crime here
@007kingifrit oh, bro, it’s actually all good, the only news I see at home is FoxNews, I live with my elderly father, so I already heard Tucker Carlson’s and Sean Hannity’s takes, i don’t need them parroted back to me, I was already appalled at their mentality to begin with. Appreciate the recap though👍 You did forget to slip in “the failing New York Times” somewhere, but we’ll let it slide.Also, can you describe in detail which business was actually his family’s business? I haven’t even seen that on FoxNews. Seems like he was just a vigilante, which I THOUGHT was against this whole “law & order” thing you’re so into. Or are we back to the “if it supports 007kingifrit’s angle, any rule-breaking is noble, but any other rule-breakers should be executed on sight?“And my only “sense of duty” is to my own right to unbridled freedom from governmental control and forced allegiance.
Maybe thats because if his grandparents are dox'd they'll get burned to the ground, halfwit
@WhiteSteveIf you are going to blame someone blame the local authorities and the law enforcement agencies that refuse to act. A real dick move is to be a rioter who goes around intentionally inflicting pain upon innocent people to satisfy your sadistic desires.
@Hispanic-Cool-Guy"I think he should be charged and convicted with crossing a gun into another state which I think its illegal."There are extenuating circumstances that we have to look at. In a normal peaceful time, I can see where charging him would be a legitimate decision because the violence is aimed at a specific target. A target that may be guilty of wrongdoing. Thus sparing innocent people. Also in normal peaceful times, law enforcement would do their job with the mayor's and city council's blessing and the only thing this kid would do is complete his high school education.
@WhiteSteveWho do you support? Rioters, who go around murdering innocent people because they didn't get a pony on their eighth birthday? OrA young man who said enough and stoop up to communist bullies while the police and local leaders did nothing to stop the rioters/murderers?
Just to say, I respect this answer a lot. It's sad that some sense of sanity and a moderate approach has gone by the wayside.WhiteSteve and I are real men. We solve our problems with our fists rather than hiding behind a keyboard or a trigger...
@Levin I prefer no problems whatsoever but should they arise I prefer to talk it out. If that fails getting into a boxing match is taking things to extremes as it is. Now if it comes down to firearms and other extreme weapons that is another thing altogether.
@joeblow123 Well, I think you look at life on earth much differently than I do. My endgame for humanity is not artificially increased survival or prosperity. My endgame is humanity returning to its natural lane. It’ll never realistically happen in my lifetime, or even ever, so I choose to spend my earth experience taking what I like and leaving the rest, in terms of human fuckery. I’m not rooting for or against anyone, or for positive or negative outcomes. I’m just here, man, and I just take notes and opine on what ridiculousness I see from time to time. Front row seats to the freak show.
@Levin cheers, bredren👊 I’d rather die like a man than live on like a pussy, ya know?
@WhiteSteveOkay. I can understand that.
@WhiteSteveI fight on my feet too. That is why I oppose tyranny.
1st degree murder is a pretty serious thing.
he might not get life in prison. But he will get some years.
@ChefPapiChulo he’ll be found innocent of that
Of 1st degree. I guess we just have to wait and see.
@scetoauxNo halfway intelligent prosecutor is going to file charges against this young man. It could be political suicide if they do.
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There's no evidence that he was attacked by anybody until he murdered the very first person after which he was rightfully attacked
@msc545 "There's no evidence that he was attacked by anybody" ... except for the video of the first guy chasing him down and going for his gun, and the witness testimony supporting that. Try to be a bit more thorough next time.
You know he'd already shot and killed someone by that point, don't you?
No he did not. Do not listen to media, watch the original footage.
I did. Didn't the guy he shot in the car dealer's carpark die? The one where he stopped to make a phone call afterwards? (He didn't call 9-1-1, but a friend.)
@goaded they fired at him before he fired back in the car park
@007kingifrit Wrong, as always:"As Rittenhouse ran across a parking lot, Rosenbaum followed him and threw an object, according to videos reviewed by investigators. “The object does not hit [Rittenhouse] and a second video shows, based on where the object landed, that it was a plastic bag,” the complaint says. “Rosenbaum appears to be unarmed for the duration of this video.”Moments later, videos captured a loud bang and a male shouting, “Fuck you!” Another four shots were heard and Rosenbaum was seen falling to the ground.McGinniss told investigators that he didn’t hear the pair exchange any words but he saw Rosenbaum, who was unarmed, trying to grab Rittenhouse’s gun when he was shot. Rosenbaum died from multiple gunshots that hit his right groin, left hand, left thigh, and back, perforating his right lung and liver, according to the Milwaukee Medical Examiner’s Office.As Rittenhouse ran away, he made a phone call and could be heard saying, “I just killed somebody,” the complaint says. Detectives later spoke to Dominic Black, a friend of Rittenhouse, who confirmed he was on the other end of the call. "
@goaded you realize you can't quote from something if you don't provide the quote source right? and its literally on video. they fired at him in the parking lot
@007kingifrit You know what, yes, I can. Do you think I made all that up, or something? Like you made up the dozen dead LEOs that don't have any names and nobody missed?www.thedailybeast.com/teen-vigilante-kyle-rittenhouse-killed-unarmed-kenosha-protester-who-threw-plastic-bag-at-him-court-docs-say
@goaded no i already provided you a list of the thousands of police injured and dozens killed in the riots. you were literally given links and the daily beast is not trustworthy as a source. and "court docs show" means little. it can just be an accusation by the DA
@007kingifrit You are crazy. They are your links. They show 700 injured officers (700 < 1000), and exactly one officer murdered by a right-winger.
@goaded you have no evidence of "right winger" you just keep saying this. communists always lieand there has been a 28% increase in murder of police this year abcnews.go.com/.../story?id=71773405to say nothing for the dozens killed by rioters who are civilians
@007kingifrit Do you even know what you're doing? (The 28% increase is 7 people, and none of them were killed by protesters.) There haven't been "dozens killed by rioters", that's just your fevered imagination.
How can he be looking for a reason to shoot someone when he is running away from the danger as they chase after him? Makes no sense.
there is no evidence he was "looking for a controntation, the gun was legally carried as it was loaned to him by an older wisconsin residentyour entire post assumes his motives. you can't do that
He is 17. He can not legally carry a firearm.
@jahaims its more complicated than that. some states you can, but in ALL states an older person can loan you a gun and then you can carryhe was loaned the gun by someone older. therefore he can carry it
No it's not. You can not open carry a long gun in the state of wisconsin unless you are 18 or older.
@jahaims this is incorrect, if you are loaned the gun it is finemore importantly this is a technical trivial side argument to the self defence claim. even if he can't carry a gun that is only a misdemeanor. He can still defend himself no matter what
I think it was self defense I am not arguing that part of the story. But he was with out a doubt carrying a firearm illegally.
Their is a difference legally between carrying and possession.
@jahaims no, he was loaned the firearm by a friend and thus can carry because he is endorsed by someone over 21
False. I live in Wisconsin and used to live in Illinois. I hunt and recreationally shoot as well as have a cc permit. I know my local laws bud.
@jahaims i don't think you do
for example I have a C&R license that lets me sell a gun to anyone i want even if they don't have a permit if they are in the same state as me. there are thousands of very obscure complex gun laws and they all swing in the favor of the gun owner
You don't need any license or permit in wisconsin to sell a firearm in a private transaction. They just have to be 18 for a long gun and 21 for a handgun. In Illinois same thing but they have to have a foid card.
@jahaims UNLESS someone over the age of 18 loans you there gun. then you can carry under 21
In fact the police by now should have riot/protest protocol.
Fair and just protocal
if he hadn't been carrying HE would have been dead. besides they were pedophiles and communists they can't be "killed" per say since they aren't people
@007kingifrit You're disgusting, and if he hadn't been carrying, he wouldn't have been there in the first place.
but if he hadn't been carrying communists would destroy his property, his family's livelihood, and our country
@007kingifrit You're still lying about him being there to protect "his family's" business? Is that another of his QAnon supporting lawyer's lies?
For real lol. I don't feel bad Kyle shot those bastards though. To me those guys are straight evil and trouble makers.
i think police should do better control of situationyou cannot expect people to not hurt each other in riots
then we will have to answer in kind. there must be blood to return to peace
we learned about a week ago that he didn't cross state lines with the gun. the gun was loaned to him by a friendthis also means that since he was endorsed by someone over 21 it isn't illegal to carry the gun
No, I'm not trolling. Can't you see the dude was being attacked by a mob?
I have a good sense and judgment of justice. Its easy to tell when something is justifiable and when its not. You just have to be fair and cut everything 100% directly down the middle without a fraction of an inch to the right nor left. Be fair.
He lived 20 minutes away. He worked there and was asked to come defend the business. He was cleaning graffiti, he had a med-kit and was going around trying to help people. Your narrative is nonsense.
In that state he can be tried as an adult and convicted of murder.
@msc545 juvenile , can still be sent away for a long time...
He is 17. He can be tried as an adult for murder and can also be convicted of murder. Theoretically he could also be executed although I doubt that would happen.
Kyle got hit already and jumped by the mob in a earlier scene. A mob of angry people hitting on you can cause severe injury or death. Kyle was in the right to blast those losers.
I don't think he ever said come at me bro, they decided to chase him.
@Jackblue I may have been misinformed about events, hence I've anonymized my comment which should probably be treated as apocryphal. Sorry for confusion.
It is ok.
then we'll arrest and shoot them also
You must be referring to the people that were trying to catch him after he shot the very first person correct? They were the attackers they were simply trying to apprehend him.
@msc545 he was attacked then. If he was a murderer like you say he wouldn't have needed to run as he's carrying a weapon that has 30 bullets.
@Warrior_Nun This is tiresome. Believe whatever BS you want.
@msc545 just saying. Thats why those guns are banned here in thd UK and the rest of Europe because a guy who wants to commit mass murder could should 30 people in 10 seconds without fear of being apprehended, then he could be carrying as many as 10 magazines of 30 which means 300 shots. You Americans need to sort yourselves out.
@msc545 Tell you what. How about if we just go by the objective evidence that is in the video. I certainly do not want to insert a false narrative that causes problems down the line. Social media is infamous for that and because of it a lot of people got hurt.
@joeblow123 The objective evidence is that he shot one person, others chased him because of that, and he shot two more.
@msc545 "The objective evidence is that he shot one person, others chased him because of that, and he shot two more."As far as we know. A sure way to know for sure it was self-defense on Kyle's part is when the mainstream media (excluding Fox and other conservative media) drop it like a hot potato and act like it never happened.
@joeblow123 That is not evidence.
@msc545 It's not evidence that is admissible in a court of law within the jurisdiction of the United States Of America and its territories. However, it is evidence in the court of public opinion that the facts of the case reveal that the narrative would not benefit the leftist powers that be so they dropped it altogether. That in itself is worthy of an investigation by a reporter with clean hands.
@joeblow123 The "court of public opinion" is a synonym for a lynch mob. We don't do that here.
@msc545 "The "court of public opinion" is a synonym for a lynch mob. We don't do that here."Agreed. We don't do that here. I am a believer in the responsible use of social media. No violence outside of self-defense.
stop watching the propaganda on fox, here's the REAL story: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIVeHOt903I
Pervious to him shooting the 1st guy he was already threatened and physically attacked by the mob.
Fastward to 5:40 to hear the witness testimony and see the video of what happened to the 1st guy and why Kyle smoked him. https://youtu.be/NSU9ZvnudFE
one guy who was likely part of or at least, supports the militia i also saw that he was wearing cloves to hide his finger prints. guess what? i've heard of some crazy who said they saw some guy who had something that look like a remote control device to make one person kill another. besides, if we wanna look at it this way-can't we say that the person who ''supposedly'' move against the guy with a gun and gloves was either afraid for himself-or, his community-making the other guy the hero? this is enough to convince those who consume nothing but propaganda-but not enough for somebody else.
then you are no christian. and these same people will have no issue murdering you.
Man. Whatever. Kyle was clearly running from the 1st dude til he got too close to Kyle being the aggressor then Kyle smoked him as he should.
he was running from a murder.
The pedo and the skaterboard guy are seen taunting and threatening Kyle after he and the others who were protecting businesses had put out a fire in a dumpster which was being pushed into a gas station.Later, someone tries to take Kyle's gun and he *runs*.The pedo chases him, then someone fires a shot.Kyle reacts, turns around to see the pedo lunging toward his firearm and fires *4* times.The pedo is later found to supposed have *5* bullet wounds.Kyle stops and makes a call -- presumably 911. He stands around for a moment then begins to run when he starts realizing that the mob is going to turn on him.The cops are about 200m away and Kyle gets exhausted halfway there.People from the crowd start charging in a delivering sucker punches. Kyle falls down, get kicked in the head, skater guy comes over and attacks, Kyle shoots him in the heart.The guy with a handgun comes over raises his hands when Kyle point the rifle at him. Kyle doesn't initially fire. The guy brings the handgun around to point it at Kyle and only then does Kyle shoot his bicep.Kyle gets up, the mob leaves him be and he heads over to the police line.Completely self-defense.TYT is obviously full of shit.Watch all the footage yourself and get a grasp of the timeline, don't listen to those hacks.
@AllThatSweetJazz non of that is backed by evidence.
... Except for the footage, testimony, and medical reports. So actually it's backed up by plenty of evidence. Did the propagandists tell you that there's no evidence?
@AllThatSweetJazz it's interesting that you bring up the medical reports. how do you explain this: ''autopsy of “Kyle Rittenhouse’s first victim” Joseph Rosenbaum determined Rosenbaum “was shot in the back multiple times”; ergo, “Rittenhouse did not act in self-defense.” Milwaukee’s Medical Examiner in fact determined Rosenbaum was shot once in the back, and sustained several additional wounds. Rittenhouse’s lawyer has telegraphed an intent to claim the teen was acting in self-defense during the incident; the location of the victims’ wounds was only one of a number of possible elements to a self-defense claim.'' . you expect me to believe that Rittenhouse shot Rosenbaum in the back in self-defense?
It's a possibility, you can fall down or spin as you get shot. Also you can literally just watch the video and see the guy going at Kyle when he gets shot. So that part is plainly self-defense.But no, my real point was how did Rosenbaum get 5 wounds if Kyle only shot 4 times?
Dude, the TYT video AND your video despite being used to support opposite narratives are basically the same footage which is not enough. There needs to be WAY more showing of what happened before solid judgements are made. I find it troublesome too that this is all caused by a bunch of 20 somethings or younger. I support the right to protest, but obviously, it's not actually convincing anyone of anything, just solidifying two extreme sides. So I would stop with it or at least be more careful. These militia groups are out there, are paranoid af , and as shown WILL kill if they feel like it. Not worth it. These people on all sides are way to young and divided to be interacting with each other unless just for flat out talking.
@errorgoodnameunfound Has a militia member killed anyone?
@AllThatSweetJazz I don't know but it's likely given what's happen in the past couple years. But "militia" is similar to military, which is meant to defend and kill if necessary. I prefer the video @Hispanic-Cool-Guy posted here much more than the initial one. Seems a bit more balanced. But I am not going to solidify any stance because I was not there on top of the fact that it's very hard to find a solidly balanced telling of these kinds of events. People are too quick to either have a bias or claim the other side does and it takes so much damn energy to be so obsessed with it it''s ridiculous.
@errorgoodnameunfound So actually it hasn't happened as far as I can recall. That's important because it means it's not actually a problem and it would be incorrect to say they've shown that they "WILL kill if they feel like it". Militia can be there all day and night, if they' not killing anyone then they're objectively superior to the rioters. What should be happening is the police need to stomp out the riots so militia don't feel the need to be on the scene -- and if the cops won't take action then maybe militia are necessary.
@AllThatSweetJazz -Militia: A MILITARY force that is raised from the civil population to supplement a regular army in an emergency.Military defend and kill to do so. Cops do need to do their job. But a militia as in the definition, is supposed to be in emergencies. The whole EVERYONE IS RIOTING shit is over hyped on purpose to divide. Businesses have to defend themselves as yes, robberies and such happen, that is what insurance and security cameras are for. In the end, nobody won. 2-4 people died and now Kyle is in jail knowing he killed people and that will follow him and his family for life. Doesn't matter if people across the country "support him" his reputation is near burned, whether he is innocent or not. Which "innocent" is a broad term, because EVERYONE was breaking law, being out beyond curfew.
@errorgoodnameunfound It doesn't matter what you think a militia means. It matters what actions they actually take. Anyone can just call themselves a militia."The whole EVERYONE IS RIOTING shit is over hyped on purpose to divide."How so? The left downplays it constantly. Everyday it's "peaceful protest" as shit is being burned down. Is rioting a problem? Because if it is then people need to talk about about and deal with it. Over 3 months of ongoing riots is not some small scuffle. I don't see how people being terrorized, attacked, and even killed is something to be divided over unless they're trying to downplay the violence because it makes the left look bad.Insurance doesn't magically cover everything. Getting 25k worth of rubble removal doesn't fix things when the cleanup bill is 100k. An obviously better outcome is to simply not have your livelihood destroyed on the whims of psychos.Yes, nobody won. That's the problem with violence. But someone is to blame, and that's BLM as an ideology. If there were no rioters then none of that would have happened.2 people died. Saying 2-4 acts like there's uncertainty here. We know who got shot.He won't go to jail, it's obviously bullshit. They threw up a 1st degree murder charge. It's a bogus charge to satiate the mob. When they aim too high they make it harder to convict.Yes, he'll have to live with that. Even self-defense comes with a cost, no one wants that to stick with them. Now if only we didn't have rioters and riot supporters fermenting this atmosphere which leads to people ending up in Kyle's situation and being forced to do this.
@AllThatSweetJazz Either I got lied to, or Kyle was part of a militia himself. Now, it was a militia apparently trying to give medical aid and such, but still it was an armed militia. Don't downplay that part, because like it or not, it does in fact make militias look bad. Whether the bad rep is deserved or not doesn't matter, people will think as they will.Kyle could be completely innocent on the shootings, but that doesn't matter because he broke curfew and he is 17 carrying a gun which state law says is illegal. The protestors also were breaking curfew and causing a scene as well. I don't really trust ANYTHING I have heard about this stuff. Nothing. Way too much info being thrown around on all sides with all sorts of biases. I actually want to be more for the businesses and such that get damaged, but EVERYONE is WAY to pro or anti BLM which for people trying to look at it fair and neutrally is hard af. Whatever happened also to DIALOGUE?
Hell, I even made a comment that A LOT of people here defending Kyle also said the George Floyd video wasn't long enough/not enough info. They weren't wrong, but what about this one? The videos presented are so cut up and even lawyers say that it's low quality and hard to hear/see, so going SO far as to solidly be on one side is ridiculous. Being steady and center isn't hard.
That comment ofc got NO attention, yet it's like the most neutral one. Says a lot*
found this: www.wftv.com/.../ according to this reporting-rittenhouse was already threatening people.
@errorgoodnameunfound Kyle was confirmed to not be a part of a militia iirc.What happened to dialogue was rioters. It takes two to have a dialogue, and so it only takes one to ruin that dialogue. BLM ruined it. Sometimes conversations happen, but they will defend the riots -- confirming everything bad about them. Irreconcilable differences can exist unfortunately.
@Hispanic-Cool-GuyIs there any video to back your claim? I'm in full agreement with you but I want to gather objective evidence that backs Kyle's claim. I have a lot of "what if's" and other subjective factors that may or may not apply but I want to keep it objective. Too often people act on false information and we end up with chaos in the streets. It's time to end that. That is why I want to promote the responsible use of social media when it comes to news stories like these.
@SabretoothThe Young Jerks. The Young Jerks are your source? Let me guess. You went with The Young Jerks because The Onion was down for site maintenance.
@Hispanic-Cool-GuyNevermind. I saw the video you posted.
Self defense against what or whom? The people chasing him where the people that were trying to apprehend him after he murdered the first person