"If civilization had been left in female hands, we would still be living in grass huts." Do you agree with this quote from feminist Camille Paglia?

[Physics-Man]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/a-feminist-defense-of-masculine-virtuesa-feminist-defense-of-masculine-virtues-1388181961

Yes

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A total of 43 votes were cast: 10 girls and 33 guys. See detailed results

[Barbaric]

It's a fact. Name me a matriarchal civilisation today where they don't live in mud hutts in the middle of nowhere? Ask yourself why every major civilisation is or was patriarchal?

There have always been matriarchal and patriarchal societies. You've never heard of the matriarchal ones because they never become as successful as patriarchal cultures. Only patriarchy builds successful cultures. Otherwise you'd see major patriarchal and matriarchal societies in equal number. It's not that matriarchy hasn't been tried, it has, plenty of times. People have no idea.

Sometimes a patriarchal culture - built under patriarchy, just like ours - will become matriarchal. Only once it reaches a certain level of success though, never before. However, what brought it to success was patriarchy and patriarchal values. In doing away with that, they rid the culture of all the things that made it successful, and then it begins to slowly decline, until some kind of war or collapse happens.

That's why the only arguments against that quote are "that's sexist" and some other imaginary nonsense about the way people think it would turn out, but never does.

[NorthwestRider]

But the African countries are very patriarchal but they are mostly weak third world shitholes while most of their citizens make 2 dollars or less per day

[NamerOfStars]

It's an exaggeration, to be sure, but how much of one? It's not really possible to know. We'd certainly be a lot more primitive, technologically. The two biggest drivers of technological advancement are conflict and risk-taking, and women are a lot more averse to both of those things.

I'd also point out that innovation has never been an exclusively male thing. Primarily, yes, but not exclusively. Taking the more productive half out entirely is going to do considerably more damage than just changing dominance would.

[modelUN242]

I agree because the men built the technology we use, cities, like pretty much everything. Nowadays, I see women just doing campaigns, nothing really "productive" just all words no action.

Look at bonobo society, it's matriarchal, they literally just fuck all day, we would be like that and it's already happening.

Gorilla or chimpanzee societies seem more orderly.

[Physics-Man]

I appreciate your honesty! I wish so many more women had it!

[Anonymous]

Well it's a little tricky to "build civilization" while giving birth, breastfeeding, and raising children. That's why there are 2 genders. Different roles. If men were expected to give birth, breastfeed, raise children, and build civilization, they wouldn't be able to do all of it either.

[MzAsh]

If that were said about a man, you know they’d say that quote is man hating.


No I don’t agree with it.

[SuccessfulHornDog]

He isn't saying it. The famous Feminist Camille Paglia said it

[MzAsh]

I know who said it. I’m saying, if that quote we’re talking about men instead of women, men would be saying that’s sexist.

[SuccessfulHornDog]

you mean that if a man said something negative about men, that there would be an outcry from men that it was sexist?

[MzAsh]

Yes, I think so. And even worse of an outcry if it were said by a woman.

[jshm2]

Nope. Quite the opposite.

We would be living in the stars or other solar systems by now. Male centric civilisations tend to gravitate towards wars and conflict readily. Whereas civilisations where females have a more central role, tend to be more society and creativity orientated

[hellionthesagereborn]

Well its absolutely true so yes. I mean their is a reason why everything was invented by men and that is because male value comes from what he produces, women's value comes in her ability to give birth and raise young. Both are important but if you want civilization, only men can create that.

[Warmapplecrumble]

I don't think so , because they'd still get people like men to help them build things 😂🤣😂

[SuccessfulHornDog]

Damn, they found a loop hole

[Warmapplecrumble]

@SuccessfulHornDog they always will 😣

[SuccessfulHornDog]

Foiled again ! :)

[NorthwestRider]

Look at the African countries, they are being run by men and most African countries are third world shitholes

So African countries are very patriarchal but shitholes

[SuccessfulHornDog]

Do you attribute that to their patriarchy?

[NorthwestRider]

@SuccessfulHornDog They are being run by men so it does

[SuccessfulHornDog]

You ignore the success of Asian and European patriarchies. The complete absence of matriarchies doesn't seem to indicate anything to you either.

Do matriarchies only exist in a laboratory and not in the wild?

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Lol... yes. Women are very important and equally to our society as well as men, but without men who construct all sorts of things we will probably be living in grass huts.

[wankiam]

who knows but if we were at least the planet wouldn't be dying

[SuccessfulHornDog]

The planet is not dying. The planet will outlast all of us without a problem. If anything it will be humans that struggle to survive if they destroy the environment

[CupcakeKiller]

Just here to laugh at the answers and they did not disappoint. Of course that isn't true for fuck sake.

[hellionthesagereborn]

Oh? What civilization was created by women then? I mean in all of the world, not one civilization was built by women. Out of all that was invented only 1% of it was invented by women. Its not women building houses, mining ore, drilling for oil, building cars and machinery. Its not women who are policing the streets (less then 20% of police are female) or protecting nations in the military (again, less then 20% of soldiers are women). So exactly how can you claim that women would build civilization if in 300,000 years not one civilization was created by women? Seems like a bad assumption.

[007kingifrit]

yea evolution just didn't give women leadership roles or traits

[pigoat]

So women are that inferior?

I don't know about that

[Anonymous]

It's obviously true. No one with half a brain and a shred of honesty would disagree.

[Brendan824]

No but I feel like we would be living in something more suited for earth what we have is destroying earth

[Smegskull]

Yeah men don't motivate women in the way women motivate men.

[Gedaria]

If they were grass huts they would be good ones and the world would more peaceful...

[OddBeMe]

We’d be where we are now but without all the pesky world wars.

[IlluminatiExposed]

Grass huts if we're lucky! lol

[Anonymous]

No
we would live still in caves