There are only a couple I really follow.
Rollo Tomassi - while I think he's a bit of a prick and I probably wouldn't wanna hang out with him, there's a reason his books and his work are so popular. He's mostly spot on about male and female behaviour, although I disagree on some things.
Jack Donovan - probably less well-known because he barely talks about feminism or women, because he's gay. He speaks mainly about masculinity and I think that every man should read his book "The Way Of Men". I think it's the best break-down of what masculinity really is.
Andrew Tate: the guy went from being a poor kid to a 4x kickboxing world champion, multi-millionaire business owner. He talks a lot of shit to offend people which is entertaining, but here and there he drops nuggets of wisdom and a lot of the offensive shit he says is really just common sense.
Most of the rest I can't stand. They're mostly grifters who don't know what they're talking about. Many of them are just as confused as their audience I think.
I don't follow anyone, most MGTOW guys don't go on these sites or blogs. In fact I don't like them as they are not representative.
In fact I'd say most guys are MGTOW, they just don't talk about it , some have never heard of it but are going their own way.
MGTOW went south when they closed the Incel thread and forced the Incel crowd into the MGTOW groups.
After that I think we need a new acronym but going my own way was never about a group identity.
It's like Antifa, not really a group, but people want it to be so they can lump people together as easier to dismiss and creat false propaganda about.
As a progressive guy I just walked away from women and dating like the vast majority of men I know.
Something is broken with women in this country, they hate men and show it.
I'm not going to return the hate, but I'm not going to take the abuse ether. I can just walk away.
The only thing I’ve seen with Red Pill/MGTOW is overwhelmingly hateful towards women. Almost all of them use every chance they get to bash women and make them less human.
@Vetis no sorry this is based on what the members themselves have said. I’ve even heard some say if a woman is raped she is no longer of any value. There are many other examples too. That’s why Red Pill/MGTOW is on its way out in popularity according to google trends. MGTOW is a branch of Red Pill.
No one follows feminism, barely any women follow feminism, but we do live in a feminist country. And if Chinese communism is allowed to persist, the whole world will be feminist. Let me rephrase that: we live in an UNNATURAL world. Redpill is a set of principles that men learn about modern life to help break free of the enslavement.
@Vetis PUA is also a branch. Nope sorry no dice padre. At first I didn’t believe my friends when they told me about it. However, coach red pill, Donovan sharpe, showed me yep my friends were right. I’ve also looked at other big names in Red pill and MGtOW and they remind me of a cult. Sure when questioned directly they pretend they have the best interest in mind. Once you step back and listen to what they are saying when not confronted, that’s completely different.
China is the perfect example of feminism because Asia was traditionally patrilineal but with even more brutality and subjugation of women than European societies were. Communism traces its roots to africa, to tribalism, to primitivism, to THE FEMININE mentality. It only is taking so long for feminism to rear its head in China because their traditional culture was exuberantly patriarchal, a shining example of patriarchy for the entire world to admire. I know a chinese person who said that her grandmother wanted her dead because she was born a female; her parents raised her as a male, with short hair etc.
However, the official government policy heavily favors women in china. many chinese men make jokes that women are superior to men.
Coach Redpill is a fat geaser. Redpill teaches that men are mostly losers and always will be such. Every redpill author has their own approach. Rollo, my favorite, says you can sort of play the long term strategy if you're a loser, and try to work on your body and career (s) to be someone women find attractive later in life. Yes he also APPARENTLY demonizes women ( for the circus effect ) by saying they only have sex with chad. It gets entitled men upset. Honestly, by the metrics i am a male in the 95th percentile for the US population. Since i am tall, smart, honest. But getting glory and respect from your accomplishment is a huge deal in the Male world. This is the cornerstone of the more sensible redpill approach: Achieve something, and recognize that the modern world hates you, wants you to suffer.
The mood in China is changing. Asian countries mainly want power and control, over their people and over the world. Thats why theyre extremely racist, sexist, industrious, warlike, despotic... you name the negative patriarchal trait, they usually exhibit them all. That doesn't change the fact that communism is a branch of feminist ideology that favors women in the long term. Theyre still developing. They do have real feminism though: Women are treated like men are. Part of the reason feminists feel china isn't feminist is that the feminine ( being emotional and simping over the safety and wellbeing of every woman ) isn't the definition of proper behavior, yet.
@Vetis nope sorry, they very clearly don’t. Besides, lots of people make the argument that women in female friendlier countries should stop fughtjj in by for their rights because other women in other countries don’t have them. Same could be said for men fighting for their rights. I’m not willing to give up my rights or be silenced by the guilt trip and very h in fortunate situation in other countries. Sorry comrade, you won’t weaken my stance.
Single mothers are hedonistic, usually. They have sex with men like male strippers, and have a baby. With abortion it is safe to assume that no single mother has had a baby for any other reason than for hedonistic reasons. Rape is the male version of hedonism. A band of men on boats invade a foreign country, steal gold, take women with them for wives, and rape others. Thats male hedonism. The antidote to female hedonism is male hedonism, according to some people. An eye for an eye type of thing.
Men fight for their rights by fighting for glory. With glory, men become like the shining sun. Hence the "Rising Sun" analogy in Fascist Japan, the "burn like the sun" quote by The Fuehrer. GLORY IS THE GOAL OF MASCULINE POWER. Whereas revenge and perpetual "justice" is the goal of feminist ideology. Like a scorned beaten down woman, communism infected China because of the abuse of the Japanese men during WW2.
Do women need to be raped? They need to be terrorized, i think. Rape is a bit too consequential. That is to say, i believe women do have the right to decide who uses their body.
You got the wrong group there. There is a group of men that called themselves followers of the "Black Pill" these are the guys that you are talking about. We believers of the red pill are another breed, we appreciate and love women for what they are, this knowledge makes us aware of how their innate female nature works and we accept that truth. We use that knowledge to gain some leverage on the current social order where the feminine imperative has gotten the upper hand and has made the male/female social-sexual dynamics uneven.
@enthusiastcyclist nope sorry. Maybe look at your forums- or better yet Coach Red Pill and Donovan Sharpe.
@enthusiastcyclist in fact, one of your red pill buddies on here just told me women should be terrorized. I love how guys like you are hiding too and backpedaling since red pill and mgtow is on its way out.
That's what i am telling you. You have to weed out the bad people that say they are red pillers but in fact, like you say are very negative people. Yet again, there is a phase called "rage phase" that an individual may experience once he exposed to the truths of the red pill, they overcome this stage and they get to a more enlightened phase where they accept the truth of the system. But nonetheless true red pill practice is about self advancement, self improvement and moving forward the best way possible using all the tools that are available to make use of.
@enthusiastcyclist no sorry most of the ringleaders hate women. So yes red pill and mgtow are predominantly about degrading women. Many of them think that after 25 women are useless. Very shallow, very heartless. Coach RedPill, Donovan Sharp, mentally ill Sandman who doesn’t think women should even have basic rights and many others. All they stand for is hate. Kind of like Jim Jones swore up and down how good his intentions were. once people from the outside of the cult started listening they realized he was full of it.
You misinterpreting the facts. What is said is that women 25 years old and younger are more desirable to men then older women. Becuase it's in males nature to want to reproduce with the most fertile woman available. But that doesn't mean you are useless. The women that these online speakers are are talking about are those that willingly went out there made use of their "sexual freedom", "riding the cc" believing that the lie from the feminist movement that they can do whatever they want, without consequences. So they must indeed face the consequences of the bad choices, that they've made.
@enthusiastcyclist do men also have to face consequences if they chose to have their fun while young?
@ThisIsMyOpinion No because our sexual mating strategy is different. We are not equals.
@enthusiastcyclist and there it is. The hypocrisy.
You do know that those girls who find someone they want near their 30's, it even in their 30's, don't really have a hard time getting a partner right? They are women. They always have an easier time getting pretenders then men do.
So what are their "consequences" exactly?
@ThisIsMyOpinion Issues with pair bonding with a partner. The more sexual partners a woman has the less able she is to pair bond. She could also be single, she could get pregnant by several different men. Many men don't want to get with a single mother. The men that do are called "simps."
@enthusiastcyclist Im not in a rage phase, i have an eternal rage powering an eternal mission. A rage your soyboy tiny ass balls will NEVER supply you, no matter how much red meat you eat.
@enthusiastcyclist that is simply not true. What do women have a limited amount of "connection" they can give over their life time? Drop the old school mentality that girls can't have sex just for sex and that they always have feeling attached. They really don't.
There is zero logic to what you are saying.
@enthusiastcyclist simps are the ones that worship women no matter if they are good or not.
If a women gives birth. Her husband cheats. She divorces him. She is a single mother. Does that makes her a not good women? Just because she didn't stay with the men who cheated on her, but still loved her kids?
Again zero logic.
White meat chicken is too much of a girl to understand that Im not on a team of Sharpe, Coach Redpill or this new soyboy Enthusiasticcyclist a 32 year old LOSER telling me im in a rage phase. Im not in competition with any WOMAN on this planet. Im fighting ideologies that determine the fate of society.
@enthusiastcyclist kinda hard to get pregnant with multiple men’s babies if you only have one or even 6 if it’s with the same man. I do think the more children someone has the harder it is to find time to date.
@enthusiastcyclist I've experienced all kinds of moods and gone through all the phases possible for the human brain to go through, on a biochemical level. I am very much ok with the state of high testosterone flowing through my young veins. The feeling is as if im climbing a mountain, in the middle of the night, alone, with wild predator's eyes staring at me from all angles. The only way out is battle.
@whitemeatchicken You have to understand that for a man a young, childless girl is more valuable to him. Then a woman 30+ single mother for the single fact that a man want his own progeny. He doesn't want to raise another man's child.
@enthusiastcyclist We don't get to decide what we want to do, life decides that for us all, soyboy. Marry the single mother. You're 32 and weren't blessed with good genes. The best thing to do is raise the boy that ain't yours. Be objective, be rational, be a man. P. s. it's probably mine.
@enthusiastcyclist Yeah I've banged a hooker raw from behind while watching tv. Cured my lust for a day. The one downside to high t. You know, soyboy?
@enthusiastcyclist I don't hate you. What issues could I have, then? I just know you're a pathetic loser trying to stand in the way of my ideology, an enemy.
@enthusiastcyclist So you're a pacifist with no fight in your body. Nothing changes without work, the deposition of energy, my energy that i am rapidly discharging into my cause as fast as my mitochondria can manufacture it. You're a nobody. What are you accomplishments, 32 year old boy?
@enthusiastcyclist No disrespect buddy but there are millions of men your age who look better, are smarter, are wealthier with far more success in their career. Don't give up. But you're a nobody. To criticize me, a wise man of just 20 years old that's CHOSEN to run on the fuel of a Rocketship, of a Tornado, of EVERY FEARED and RESPECTED invention or natural phenomena, shows your true lack of potential. I suggest you work on that first.
@Vetis Very good brother seems like you have good things going on for you. All that good stuff don't mean nothing to me though, but ok. And you don't know me well enough to know what my potential is anyways. You are being too judgmental of others, you should first seek to judge yourself than you have more awareness. I recommend you work on that.
Exactly my point. Guys like Vetos and other Red Pills and MGTOW follow guys like Donovan Sharpe, Sandman and Coach Red Pill. They are literally the staples of that movement. Everyone who follows that movement, that cult, parrots the things they say.
Sorry that was to you Mz Ash
@enthusiastcyclist If I were sympathetic to losers, i'd become one myself. This is how the nature of vibration works: Resonant objects that sympathize make uncontrollable noises in reaction to their environment. It's obvious to everybody that I play my own song when I speak, when I think, when I pray. On a metaphysical level, I am deeply sorry that you have to exist.
@whitemeatchicken Hell is fake. I used to believe hell were an allegory place of spiritual torment, that is to say, being reminded of bad memories and thoughts. Then I realized, once you're dead, every thing you ever did must have seemed magical and grand. Because life is magical and grand. Cherish it.
@enthusiastcyclist Genius compensates for the rudeness you think controls me. I am abrasive on purpose.
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leaders?, well I am a mens right activist in a way... just dont like the extreme views. We should consetrate in including women on the talk so we can achieve , equality in fron of the law, in mental health care, in case of being abused, children custody, etc... apart of that. I do not really follow anyone, to be honest the short period i was like very red pilled was to much bitterness, If we want to be heared we need to include the other party without bitterness or resentment. I like thou Jordan Petterson. he is not in anything of this , is just an independent thinker from wich he speack we can all male and female benefit. of course his image has being kidnapped by people with other agendas. but the truth is just an independent thinker.
obviously, you gonna negociate with the air? , there is a lot of tencion currently between genders. and if continue like that no one will achieve anything worthy.
I have gone through a decent amount of Red Pill content and have heard of Coach Red Pill, Steph is Cold, Donovan Sharpe and Rollo Tomassi. I am not sure I'd Kevin Samuels falls in there or not, but I only knew about him from Donovan towards my break from the red pill content.
I definitely understand the idea and content behind it and while I agree with a good chunk of it, I feel a lot of it is easy to fall into a woman hating echo chamber because of red pill rage and a lot of angry men in general.
Steph made a good point in one of his videos I remember. "I don't want you to hate women, bro. I want you to understand them," in reference to a fan email he received.
I don't hate women, but the red pill has made me aware of things to keep in mind and how to live a life I can be content with not just centered around women, but living to my fullest potential as a man and enjoying life and staying focused on my mission and purpose.
Yeah I can see how it would be easy for them to fall into a woman hating echo chamber, and as a result of that, it seems that that several of these content creators advocate for rebuilding a relationship with women in high only serves themselves primarily - one where they’re the ones running the show and women in their lives are not much other than subservient maids who exist to please him on demand. I would never want to be in Sharpe’s girlfriend shoes, and guess what? Neither would any of these men. They would never ever want things with the fenders reversed, but it’s ok for them. That’s what I take issue with.
I don’t buy into the whole pill, alpha, beta, label attitudes a lot of people preach about. I believe people are more fluid than that. I think people who attach themselves to those labels are just too insecure to just be themselves confidently, so they need a set of rules that they believe will make them thrive in social settings.
The bitter, mom's basement dwelling fuckos?
None of them.
I do recognize and dislike the gynocentrism in western society and I wouldn't call myself a feminism supporter, but I believe these male reactionary movements are all worse.
Whatever credibility there was in these movements at their ideological beginnings, it was long since drowned out by the throngs of bitter, rejected, pimply, likely psychopathic little assholes who now adhere to and represent them.
Jordan Peterson is my favorite (if he can be considered part of the manosphere), in the sense that I'd consider him almost smart, but ultimately comically dumb.
You should read what Vetis said to me. He said women deserve to be terrorized. Yet he says Red Pill/ MGTOW is not negative. How is that not negative.
I´m not really following them but I share some of their interests because I´ve struggled with manhood and different definitions of masculinity all my life. I like some of their ideas but I´m not sharing everything. But I also experienced moments of kind of "toxic feminity" which I´d call bemothering in an extreme way. I have an overprotective mom, me talking her about my problems let to her trying to solve my problems and erasing every opportunity for it to come back. I also experienced other kinds of moments where I felt like being discriminated by women because I´m a guy.
These red pill figures combine three things that I despise like hardly anything else:
1) Scamming, 2) pseudoscience ("alpha/beta"), and 3) bigotry. They're scam artists who take advantage of loners by radicalizing them and fuelling their delusional, reactionary, hateful views on women. Basically, they're psychopaths.
There’s one who thinks women should be terrorized by men. Yet he thinks that’s a positive thing. What the hell is wrong with people.
@Whitemeatchicken Sadly, there's many like him.
? There is no community, there aren't leaders, just some men who occasionally talk about how men have rights and responsibilites and we shouldn't be devaluing our own beliefs or culture in a modern time where some people believe all masculineity is toxic and dated. If you want some good talkers on this I'd reccommended Jordan peterson, Aba and preach, and better bachelor on YouTube very helpful people who don't show disrespect for opposing views. Enjoy.
I mean they are popular content creators that others follow. Jordan Peterson is interesting and I like a lot of what he has to say. The only times I disagree with him really is when he gets into the religious and spiritual which is kinda woowoo for me. Better Bachelor is one of the more rational and temperamental talkers, so I’ll listen in on what’s happening with him once in a while, even though his more traditional views aren’t very appealing. He could stand to focus a little more on what he does like about women as almost all of his content is criticizing things that women do or how men are victims.
I completely agree with your analysis. I think it's great that you're taking the initiative to learn about it even a little. Aba and preach are two young men who talk about more modern problems, they have very healthy viewpoints. People generally don't understand that other genders problems our our problems as well because we have to learn to coexist. I appreciate that you as a women look into theses issues as well, Thank you.
No one. But i do like Tucker Carlson who legit was so dumb or maybe growing a brain for once, agreed with Bernie points of views... best part is i don't think he even realized that he was saying socialist left thinking ideas about how they could take small amount of money from jeff bezos crazy amount of money and use it for covid healthcare... It made me laugh so hard and I don't know how he didn't lose his Red pill followers after that.
Spiritually, Buddha & Lao Tsu. Politically - that's difficult but at this point anyone as different as possible from D. T. Musically, Jimi Hendrix and some other blues guitarists. Economically probably Keynes and anyone who understands that the trickle down theory has never & will never work. In general thought; Joseph Campbell. If I missed the point of the question & you want to, correct me
No idea what any of that means, I just enjoy life as much as I can.
to ask this question might belie a certain left wing or female characteristic. right wing men don't follow anyone. they come to these conclusions, maybe they heard them somewhere or maybe they came up with them themselves. But they don't look to others for what to think
the average MGTOW has probablly never heard the term even.
@Hogwheels manosphere and MGTOW (men going their own way) are essentially "fuck feminism" but given a label. feminism is born of marxism and is thus left wing. so it was inevitable that the counter to it would be right wing
I don't know any of them, aren't they all scam artists anyway?
I uses to listen countless people on youtube about that stuff.
Now I don't listen to anyone for guidance when it comes to that stuff, I got sick of that shit. I know what I want more than anyone.
Rollo Tomassi, the god father of manosphere and the professor of the red pill. His 4 books, his awesome blog, and youtube channel are all great content and very educational.
Are you mad at the work he does? See you're are being too emotional now. You are just displaying the example of women prioritizing emotions over reason. You might not like what you hear about female nature but at the end of the day it is the truth and you can only accept it.
I only just heard about this "manosphere" last week and I don't even know who the leaders are to follow. So none, I guess.
There's multiple communities that use the name red pill. As for manosphere, I've never heard of that term being used by anyone who thinks it's not a pejorative.
Most of em are trash mansluts but LFA is actually pretty wise, like an older brother, and he’s a lot more mature than the rest. He’ll actually give you advice which leads to more than just hookups, he’s thinkin long term
Yes, most of the men that I coach express the desire for more than just a hookup and have burned out on some of that ideology. There are, however, some good points in it.
Manosphere... sounds like a new conspiracy theory created by feminists for the sake to deflect attention from real problems to an imaginary enemy.
I don't think equating the manosphere with the red pill is accurate or wise.
No sorry it is because they are all linked together.
They also don’t have people’s best interest at heart either. No respect for others equals no respect for you.
I don't "follow" any of them since they are too jaded but Better Bachelor seems like the most reasonable one.
To quote Jay Z, I got 99 problems and a bitch ain't 1. So I'm aware of many of them but nonr of them are for me.
red pill? manosphere? Biased questions rarely get real replies, mine is an example... WTF are you asking
Jordan Peterson, he knows his shit and isn’t afraid to stand up for it.
None. They're all just grifters.
In the what community? I have never heard of such a thing.
I presume that's a game? I've never played it.
I don't think I follow any, so none for me.
I don't.
what the heck is "manosphere community"?
I have no idea what you just asked
Red pill is the shit
Who are they?
Oooh, none
Kate Millett
No idea what is it
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