Why are you following Redpill and equating Redpill to MGTOW? Do men follow beauty gurus and complain about how effeminate they are? The hate's in you, red pill people are just trying to solve their problems.
@Vetis no sorry this is based on what the members themselves have said. I’ve even heard some say if a woman is raped she is no longer of any value. There are many other examples too. That’s why Red Pill/MGTOW is on its way out in popularity according to google trends. MGTOW is a branch of Red Pill.
@Vetis they follow feminism and complain about it.Sorry no dice.
No one follows feminism, barely any women follow feminism, but we do live in a feminist country. And if Chinese communism is allowed to persist, the whole world will be feminist. Let me rephrase that: we live in an UNNATURAL world. Redpill is a set of principles that men learn about modern life to help break free of the enslavement.
@Vetis wow okay yeah China is not a good example of feminism.
MGTOW is a branch of Redpill like Homeopathy is a branch of biology. CMON, Whitemeatchicken (why do i imagine you're an Asian every time i read this odd name)... don't be dishonest. MGTOW is not a representation of Redpill.
@Vetis PUA is also a branch. Nope sorry no dice padre. At first I didn’t believe my friends when they told me about it. However, coach red pill, Donovan sharpe, showed me yep my friends were right. I’ve also looked at other big names in Red pill and MGtOW and they remind me of a cult. Sure when questioned directly they pretend they have the best interest in mind. Once you step back and listen to what they are saying when not confronted, that’s completely different.
China is the perfect example of feminism because Asia was traditionally patrilineal but with even more brutality and subjugation of women than European societies were. Communism traces its roots to africa, to tribalism, to primitivism, to THE FEMININE mentality. It only is taking so long for feminism to rear its head in China because their traditional culture was exuberantly patriarchal, a shining example of patriarchy for the entire world to admire. I know a chinese person who said that her grandmother wanted her dead because she was born a female; her parents raised her as a male, with short hair etc.However, the official government policy heavily favors women in china. many chinese men make jokes that women are superior to men.
@Vetis well then if they want women and baby girls dead, they aren’t interested in feminism. There’s a reason it takes no time at all to adopt Chinese baby girls... again no dice.
Coach Redpill is a fat geaser. Redpill teaches that men are mostly losers and always will be such. Every redpill author has their own approach. Rollo, my favorite, says you can sort of play the long term strategy if you're a loser, and try to work on your body and career (s) to be someone women find attractive later in life. Yes he also APPARENTLY demonizes women ( for the circus effect ) by saying they only have sex with chad. It gets entitled men upset. Honestly, by the metrics i am a male in the 95th percentile for the US population. Since i am tall, smart, honest. But getting glory and respect from your accomplishment is a huge deal in the Male world. This is the cornerstone of the more sensible redpill approach: Achieve something, and recognize that the modern world hates you, wants you to suffer.
The mood in China is changing. Asian countries mainly want power and control, over their people and over the world. Thats why theyre extremely racist, sexist, industrious, warlike, despotic... you name the negative patriarchal trait, they usually exhibit them all. That doesn't change the fact that communism is a branch of feminist ideology that favors women in the long term. Theyre still developing. They do have real feminism though: Women are treated like men are. Part of the reason feminists feel china isn't feminist is that the feminine ( being emotional and simping over the safety and wellbeing of every woman ) isn't the definition of proper behavior, yet.
@Vetis nope sorry, they very clearly don’t. Besides, lots of people make the argument that women in female friendlier countries should stop fughtjj in by for their rights because other women in other countries don’t have them. Same could be said for men fighting for their rights. I’m not willing to give up my rights or be silenced by the guilt trip and very h in fortunate situation in other countries. Sorry comrade, you won’t weaken my stance.
@Vetis according to Donovan Sharpe, all single mothers should be raped, sodomized and taken advantage of despite if it’s a good reason fir her to be a single mom. If the article isn’t there anymore it’s because he took it down to save face. Big names in PUA too are toxic.
Single mothers are hedonistic, usually. They have sex with men like male strippers, and have a baby. With abortion it is safe to assume that no single mother has had a baby for any other reason than for hedonistic reasons. Rape is the male version of hedonism. A band of men on boats invade a foreign country, steal gold, take women with them for wives, and rape others. Thats male hedonism. The antidote to female hedonism is male hedonism, according to some people. An eye for an eye type of thing.Men fight for their rights by fighting for glory. With glory, men become like the shining sun. Hence the "Rising Sun" analogy in Fascist Japan, the "burn like the sun" quote by The Fuehrer. GLORY IS THE GOAL OF MASCULINE POWER. Whereas revenge and perpetual "justice" is the goal of feminist ideology. Like a scorned beaten down woman, communism infected China because of the abuse of the Japanese men during WW2. Do women need to be raped? They need to be terrorized, i think. Rape is a bit too consequential. That is to say, i believe women do have the right to decide who uses their body.
@Vetis see that’s just proving my point. Plus PUA, a branch of Red Pill/MGTOW is the epitome of hedonistic.
@Vetis no sorry women don’t deserve to be terrorized. Real men don’t do that. Just like real women don’t terrorize men. You are proving my point too about hate equating to MGtOW and Red Pill. Shame on you.
@Vetis women deserve the same rights as every other legal citizen of their respective country. You think terrorizing women is a good thing. I think terrorizing anyone is a big mistake and a real disservice to real men.
@Vetis "Redpill is a set of principles that men learn about modern life to help break free of the enslavement."I laugh so hard.
You got the wrong group there. There is a group of men that called themselves followers of the "Black Pill" these are the guys that you are talking about. We believers of the red pill are another breed, we appreciate and love women for what they are, this knowledge makes us aware of how their innate female nature works and we accept that truth. We use that knowledge to gain some leverage on the current social order where the feminine imperative has gotten the upper hand and has made the male/female social-sexual dynamics uneven.
@enthusiastcyclist nope sorry. Maybe look at your forums- or better yet Coach Red Pill and Donovan Sharpe.
@enthusiastcyclist in fact, one of your red pill buddies on here just told me women should be terrorized. I love how guys like you are hiding too and backpedaling since red pill and mgtow is on its way out.
That's what i am telling you. You have to weed out the bad people that say they are red pillers but in fact, like you say are very negative people. Yet again, there is a phase called "rage phase" that an individual may experience once he exposed to the truths of the red pill, they overcome this stage and they get to a more enlightened phase where they accept the truth of the system. But nonetheless true red pill practice is about self advancement, self improvement and moving forward the best way possible using all the tools that are available to make use of.
@enthusiastcyclist no sorry most of the ringleaders hate women. So yes red pill and mgtow are predominantly about degrading women. Many of them think that after 25 women are useless. Very shallow, very heartless. Coach RedPill, Donovan Sharp, mentally ill Sandman who doesn’t think women should even have basic rights and many others. All they stand for is hate. Kind of like Jim Jones swore up and down how good his intentions were. once people from the outside of the cult started listening they realized he was full of it.
You misinterpreting the facts. What is said is that women 25 years old and younger are more desirable to men then older women. Becuase it's in males nature to want to reproduce with the most fertile woman available. But that doesn't mean you are useless. The women that these online speakers are are talking about are those that willingly went out there made use of their "sexual freedom", "riding the cc" believing that the lie from the feminist movement that they can do whatever they want, without consequences. So they must indeed face the consequences of the bad choices, that they've made.
@enthusiastcyclist do men also have to face consequences if they chose to have their fun while young?
@ThisIsMyOpinion No because our sexual mating strategy is different. We are not equals.
@enthusiastcyclist and there it is. The hypocrisy.You do know that those girls who find someone they want near their 30's, it even in their 30's, don't really have a hard time getting a partner right? They are women. They always have an easier time getting pretenders then men do. So what are their "consequences" exactly?
@ThisIsMyOpinion Issues with pair bonding with a partner. The more sexual partners a woman has the less able she is to pair bond. She could also be single, she could get pregnant by several different men. Many men don't want to get with a single mother. The men that do are called "simps."
@enthusiastcyclist Im not in a rage phase, i have an eternal rage powering an eternal mission. A rage your soyboy tiny ass balls will NEVER supply you, no matter how much red meat you eat.
@enthusiastcyclist that is simply not true. What do women have a limited amount of "connection" they can give over their life time? Drop the old school mentality that girls can't have sex just for sex and that they always have feeling attached. They really don't. There is zero logic to what you are saying.
@enthusiastcyclist simps are the ones that worship women no matter if they are good or not. If a women gives birth. Her husband cheats. She divorces him. She is a single mother. Does that makes her a not good women? Just because she didn't stay with the men who cheated on her, but still loved her kids? Again zero logic.
White meat chicken is too much of a girl to understand that Im not on a team of Sharpe, Coach Redpill or this new soyboy Enthusiasticcyclist a 32 year old LOSER telling me im in a rage phase. Im not in competition with any WOMAN on this planet. Im fighting ideologies that determine the fate of society.
@Vetis Take a chill pill bruh. You gonna faint.
@Vetis you’re the one who said it’s okay to terrorize women- that’s what these guys are doing. Shame on you.
@enthusiastcyclist kinda hard to get pregnant with multiple men’s babies if you only have one or even 6 if it’s with the same man. I do think the more children someone has the harder it is to find time to date.
@whitemeatchicken Reality doesn't care about your wishes. Guess what, the power of a man is in his physical strength. Your moralizing that "Real men dont terrorize women" is how you keep your self in a state of power. I've already told you why this is bad long term.
@enthusiastcyclist I've experienced all kinds of moods and gone through all the phases possible for the human brain to go through, on a biochemical level. I am very much ok with the state of high testosterone flowing through my young veins. The feeling is as if im climbing a mountain, in the middle of the night, alone, with wild predator's eyes staring at me from all angles. The only way out is battle.
@whitemeatchicken You have to understand that for a man a young, childless girl is more valuable to him. Then a woman 30+ single mother for the single fact that a man want his own progeny. He doesn't want to raise another man's child.
@enthusiastcyclist We don't get to decide what we want to do, life decides that for us all, soyboy. Marry the single mother. You're 32 and weren't blessed with good genes. The best thing to do is raise the boy that ain't yours. Be objective, be rational, be a man. P. s. it's probably mine.
@Vetis Or you can get laid. Come on bro, with all this knowledge you haven't figured out how to get chicks?
@enthusiastcyclist Yeah I've banged a hooker raw from behind while watching tv. Cured my lust for a day. The one downside to high t. You know, soyboy?
@Vetis Dude you talk lots of nonsense. You have issues to solve, i suggest, you focus on that.
@enthusiastcyclist I don't hate you. What issues could I have, then? I just know you're a pathetic loser trying to stand in the way of my ideology, an enemy.
@Vetis You're too lost in that "ideology" you are deluding yourself.
@enthusiastcyclist So you're a pacifist with no fight in your body. Nothing changes without work, the deposition of energy, my energy that i am rapidly discharging into my cause as fast as my mitochondria can manufacture it. You're a nobody. What are you accomplishments, 32 year old boy?
Don’t mean to butt in here but Sharpe had got to be the most toxic mf out if them all. The guy admits to having intermittent explosive disorder. And the way he talks to and about his girlfriend on the air is so disrespectful. Can’t believe she puts up with that.
@Vetis I am a nobody? That's just an inconsequential opinion that dont matter to me. I know what i want, i know my goals and i know i will get them. I have nothing to prove to anyone.
@enthusiastcyclist No disrespect buddy but there are millions of men your age who look better, are smarter, are wealthier with far more success in their career. Don't give up. But you're a nobody. To criticize me, a wise man of just 20 years old that's CHOSEN to run on the fuel of a Rocketship, of a Tornado, of EVERY FEARED and RESPECTED invention or natural phenomena, shows your true lack of potential. I suggest you work on that first.
@MzAsh True. Though intermittent explosive disorder is likely caused in part by pressure on the brain from the skull. Osteoporosis or osteopenia of the skull. People low in Vitamin D experience this and sleep problems a lot.
@Vetis Very good brother seems like you have good things going on for you. All that good stuff don't mean nothing to me though, but ok. And you don't know me well enough to know what my potential is anyways. You are being too judgmental of others, you should first seek to judge yourself than you have more awareness. I recommend you work on that.
Exactly my point. Guys like Vetos and other Red Pills and MGTOW follow guys like Donovan Sharpe, Sandman and Coach Red Pill. They are literally the staples of that movement. Everyone who follows that movement, that cult, parrots the things they say.
Sorry that was to you Mz Ash
@whitemeatchicken I didn't know who any of those were before you mentioned their names. Only Rollo Tomassi because I read his books. I also do not parrot anything, since I am a free spirit of emotive rationality.
@Vetis I think you’ve shown everyone who you really are. You like to hurt women. Burn in hell.
@enthusiastcyclist If I were sympathetic to losers, i'd become one myself. This is how the nature of vibration works: Resonant objects that sympathize make uncontrollable noises in reaction to their environment. It's obvious to everybody that I play my own song when I speak, when I think, when I pray. On a metaphysical level, I am deeply sorry that you have to exist.
@whitemeatchicken Hell is fake. I used to believe hell were an allegory place of spiritual torment, that is to say, being reminded of bad memories and thoughts. Then I realized, once you're dead, every thing you ever did must have seemed magical and grand. Because life is magical and grand. Cherish it.
@Vetis I doubt you cherish it considering you cherish nothing about it.
@whitemeatchicken True, trash is trash. Like a macrophage doesn't cherish a bacterium, in such manner do I live Life.
@Vetis Dude you are out of your mind. You can not be reason with. You will serve no one with that kind attitude. You are useless to humanity as a whole.
@enthusiastcyclist Genius compensates for the rudeness you think controls me. I am abrasive on purpose.
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I appreciate you saying that women should be included in on the conversation.
obviously, you gonna negociate with the air? , there is a lot of tencion currently between genders. and if continue like that no one will achieve anything worthy.
Yeah I can see how it would be easy for them to fall into a woman hating echo chamber, and as a result of that, it seems that that several of these content creators advocate for rebuilding a relationship with women in high only serves themselves primarily - one where they’re the ones running the show and women in their lives are not much other than subservient maids who exist to please him on demand. I would never want to be in Sharpe’s girlfriend shoes, and guess what? Neither would any of these men. They would never ever want things with the fenders reversed, but it’s ok for them. That’s what I take issue with.
Genders reversed, I meant
You should read what Vetis said to me. He said women deserve to be terrorized. Yet he says Red Pill/ MGTOW is not negative. How is that not negative.
I mean they are popular content creators that others follow. Jordan Peterson is interesting and I like a lot of what he has to say. The only times I disagree with him really is when he gets into the religious and spiritual which is kinda woowoo for me. Better Bachelor is one of the more rational and temperamental talkers, so I’ll listen in on what’s happening with him once in a while, even though his more traditional views aren’t very appealing. He could stand to focus a little more on what he does like about women as almost all of his content is criticizing things that women do or how men are victims.
I completely agree with your analysis. I think it's great that you're taking the initiative to learn about it even a little. Aba and preach are two young men who talk about more modern problems, they have very healthy viewpoints. People generally don't understand that other genders problems our our problems as well because we have to learn to coexist. I appreciate that you as a women look into theses issues as well, Thank you.
Yeah I like to understand the way different groups think about gender dynamics. I’ll check I out Aba and preach.
There’s one who thinks women should be terrorized by men. Yet he thinks that’s a positive thing. What the hell is wrong with people.
@Whitemeatchicken Sadly, there's many like him.
That’s pretty much what I meant. They “follow” them on social media.
What is the Manosphere, and what is the MGTOW? And what do they have to do with the left or right wing?
@Hogwheels manosphere and MGTOW (men going their own way) are essentially "fuck feminism" but given a label. feminism is born of marxism and is thus left wing. so it was inevitable that the counter to it would be right wing
Yes, most of the men that I coach express the desire for more than just a hookup and have burned out on some of that ideology. There are, however, some good points in it.
He’s seems rational, that is, until he has to engage with any female on social media. He’s always the one that gets really defensive first and has to start fighting dirty. Then he tries to play it off like “see this is how women are!”
Are you mad at the work he does? See you're are being too emotional now. You are just displaying the example of women prioritizing emotions over reason. You might not like what you hear about female nature but at the end of the day it is the truth and you can only accept it.
I’m not mad at the work that he does. I completely understand why some men follow him.
It does sound like that, but it’s not. These men have coined the term themselves.
Actually feminists on Jezebel coined the term, and the guys then ran with it.
I understand they are different but they have a lot of the same overlapping views.
No sorry it is because they are all linked together.
They also don’t have people’s best interest at heart either. No respect for others equals no respect for you.
I don't think the notion of realism/being a realist is akin to something you make seem similar to gendered segregation. Perhaps those terms are a bit strong, but that's the general idea, right? Even if more subtly conveyed?
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