This guy on YouTube said I can't be a Christian and liberal as that is a oxymoron.
I'm a liberal at heart personality wise because I deeply hate conventional ideals (which mostly is bias, unfair and favors the rich and powerful only) status quo and conventional structures and philosophies of men as its some sort of rules I have to obey because they say so.
Screw that! I proudly rebel against all that hot trash.
I'm free spirited by nature and desire to break free from traditions of men passed down and set my personal values and ideals.
I don't support LGBT, gay marriage, abortion, gender dysphoria nonsense, which a lot of liberals do, at least here in the U. S. but I don't.
LGBT and killing babies has been going on for thousands of years, so that's nothing new in the world and I will never support disgusting evil acts.
I'm fairly balanced politically. My views, I support big government, workers unions, gun rights, free markets, closely regulated capitalism, strong military, universal healthcare, strict limited immigration policy, progressive tax on the super rich, protecting the environment with the best quality clean energy, right to education for all, protecting animal rights, social equality and justice, decent and fair wages for the working class, protecting women, the poor and those susceptible to mistreatment, abuse and oppression of any kind.
I'm for government social programs to help the needy and disadvantaged in society since vulnerable and weak people exist in our world.
I believe in creating a mini paradise for a nation and its citizens to the best of the ability possible to have happy, healthy and productive citizens.
I'm very religious and deeply and truly love and fear God, Jesus Christ and the Bible and hold to the tradition God's word only; as I'm willing to die for the lord Jesus Christ and the gospel, yet because I mostly reject conservativism ideals of men from the past then I can't be a Christian?
Is being a Christian and a liberal a oxymoron in your opinion?
Yes. The left in America promotes homosexuality, transgenderism, and transvestitism all of which God condemns. They promote abortion which God condemns. They promote the idea that systematic racism is to blame for peoples lots in life and not being an abject sinner who makes continually poor life decisions. They promote socialism and blame capitalism for their failure to achieve financial success. They promote “greedy” cooperations paying higher wages insisting these cooperations owe them a living. No one owes anyone a living. You are responsible for you, period. They promote political correctness which is tyrannically attempts to control your speech. This is to the point of trying to remove God form schools and money. They promote the idea that you can be subconsciously racist. You can’t be. God would define racism as a sin. Sin requires personal choice. With racism one must believe their race or other races are superior to those of others. That requires personal conviction and choice to believe and act upon it. Yet in the same breath they condemn all whites as racist and oppressors and privileged automatically on birth. Which is racism. The left is full of racists and promotes racism.
I’ve heard you before claim conservative values are sinful too. They are not. Conservatives don’t call good what God calls evil. You’ve said conservatives are greedy. No, it’s people who demand your money and think you owe them a living who are greedy. How can anyone say with a straight face: “you make more than me and since you won’t share it you’re greedy.” Thats jealousy and entitlement by any definition and a failure to take account of the personal life choices that have lead you to that place. If your fat, whose fault is it? McDonald’s? No! It’s your fault. Same holds true very often if your poor. Who made you not make the money you’d like to be making? You did! You are responsible for you. If you’re not making what you’d like has the thought ever crossed the minds of people that maybe acquiring better skills and credentials, making contacts that can help open doors and analyzing how you can get where you’d like to be ever crossed the mind? Yet we have people with criminal records who haven’t even got a HS diploma and it’s the fault of greedy cooperations and Republicans and capitalism... and oh yeah... racism they’re poor. Life is hard. You gotta get hard to win. I am financially successful. Strictly because of the the grace of God and hard work and good choices. Not because I’m white. Not because someone handed me the brass ring. Know what the best way to help the poor is? Don’t become one of them. How can you give what you don’t have to give?
You’ve said conservatives are warmongers. That they are violent. I believe in the right to protect myself. If you don’t then you’re the problem. I don’t believe in someone saying: “well yeah, I came to rob your house but it’s unfair... you had an AR 15 and you don’t need one.” Some will say: “because of mass shootings we should ban assault rifles.” I say: “because of mass shootings you should get yourself an AR-15 so you can protect you and stop trying to stop me from protecting me and my loved ones.” Ever heard of fight fire with fire? You can’t always solve every political problem without violence to include domestically. I’m sure the people who burnt down America this summer would agree. Can’t solve every foreign policy without violence. What you see in conservatives as a love for violence I think is really an understanding that evil exists and sometimes the only and last solution is violence. Even the beloved Joe Biden is bombing Iranian militants in Syria right now... and I do support him there. Iran is evil and demonstrated a willingness to be offensively violent on several occasions. I can’t remember your other criticisms of conservatism or I’d refute them here. The bottom line is anyone who believes and seeks to follow what the Bible teaches cannot be a liberal as nearly every precept of liberalism today is directly defined as sin. When carefully examined there is no room to condemn the concepts taught in conservatism.
Your wrong. They are both moral issues. In fact everything is a moral issue. Everything we do is to be judged by the standard of if it’s permissible to God and honors him or not.
I can define them as such by examining what they teach. By examining their ideologies and concepts and comparing them to scripture. The liberalism of today can be found sinful as I just demonstrated.
There are no conservative ideals that are against God’s commands. I challenge you to find one. You’ve mentioned greed, and I just refuted it as jealousy and entitlement on the part of the individual to assert anyone owes them a living, coupled with failing to take responsibility for ones self and failing to achieve as they’d like. You’ve mentioned warmongering and violence and I just refuted that. Nowhere in conservative ideology is any teaching or any person saying: “yeah, we wanna kill and destroy indiscriminately and we think we should have the right to do so.” Yet leftists do promote homosexuality and abortion openly.
How about oppression? You think God finds it kindly to abuse abuse the weak and vulnerable as conservative ideals hold.
Worship of money. Conservative thinks making money is more important than the well being of others.
Selfish. Conservativism is rooted in keeping the status quo.
The kings, notables and rich stay at the top and others at the bottom serving them without question and worked to death without mercy.
Mistreatment of women. Women every damn day have to wake up to damn conservative men in the middle east that make their lives hell.
And for the record, there are millions of conservative homos and lesbians around the world, so don't think for a second liberalism is exclusive to gays.
History shows Conservativism is a piece of trash that only truly serves the rich and powerful and exploits the weak and vulnerable.
The ones worshiping money are the ones implying someone owes them a living. The ones worshiping money are the ones saying: “you have more than me so you should give me some of yours” instead of earning it themselves. The act entitled to the things others have, because they have more. There’s a word for that. Covetousness.
““You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his male servant, or his female servant, or his ox, or his donkey, or anything that is your neighbor’s.”” Exodus 20:17 ESV
Covetousness is the inordinate desire to possess what belongs to someone else in an unrighteous way.
The one who covets never says: “hey, my neighbor has a nice house.” “I want one too.” “I should figure out how to get a nice house like his.” No. The one who covets says: “hey my neighbor has a nice house and I don’t so he owes me.” “He should give me what he has, instead of me figuring out how to get what he does.” The one who covets says: “he only has because he’s white, he has privilege.” It’s playing the blame game instead of taking responsibility. So who is oppressed who isn’t oppressing themselves in America?
What? Blacks? Oh yeah. They’re so very oppressed with their affirmative action. So are the Latinos and women.
The only oppression I see is of whites and males. Ever heard of white privilege? What about male privilege? Yes, you see it’s whites and men that are the very fountains of evil and all the ills everyone experiences are their fault. Never ever is it the fault of the individual.
In 1960 they may have had a point. NOT in 2021. Yet it the fault of men and whites every one isn’t where they’d like to be.
How do you feel about that? Have you personally oppressed women? How do you feel being told they can’t succeed and it’s your fault, cause you’re a man and you have privilege and oppress others. What’s that you say? You haven’t oppressed any women? Nonsense!
It’s all subconscious! Yes! As a man you’ve been subconsciously taught to oppress women by an evil patriarchal society my friends. Oh yes. You, YOU PERSONALLY are guilty of oppressing women. YOU are responsible for their lot in life. Doesn’t matter of you meant to oppress them, by your very existence and the privilege it allows you did.
Want to know how to make it right? Give them your stuff.
Now does that sound absurd?
Sure it does because it is.
The same is true with blacks and poor and all the special victims the left says exists in 2021 America. All but the straight white Christian men. They’re the oppressors. Everyone else is the victim.
Listen, the conservative ideology is nothing should change once its been established.
Men are evil and most of what they come up with is evil, self serving and unfair in nature.
Ex: Work conditions aren't suitable for employees, salary is set and not subject to change, women are being denied social opportunities or whatever system is in place no matter how unfair and evil it is conservativism is about keeping the status quo at all cost, that in itself is evil as hell.
Only demons like such ideology where if something evil is put in place then it shouldn't be challenged and never changed so that evil can continue.
The hell with conservativism and men traditions. I'm done.
The politics don't truly matter. You either listen to Christ or you don't. Most living according to God's word are more conservative, but that doesn't mean we are constricted. A lot of liberal ideology is unbiblical, but at times the Christians were considered liberal as all the major abolitionist were Christian. Christians are mainly considered Conservative now for the two big view points you expressed being against Lgbtq and abortion. However another two big things Christian who follow the bible are against Islam and all world religions. Also Christians are pro Israel, because God's promises were and are being fulfilled through the Jews. If you are in a personal relation with God through Jesus Christ and The Holy Spirit you don't need to call yourself Liberal or Conservative because as Christians we become more Christ Like. Draw Closer to God through His Word and Spirit and He'll sort out the politics. Even as a Conservative I've had to let some view points go for Christ. You will change, but it will be for the better.
The jews aren't God's people at all. Many American Christians still believe in that nonsense about the jews and Isreal.
Yes, I understand the ancient Hebrews in the old testament were God's chosen people at that time, but so called Jews of today living in that country Isreal aren't God's people at all and never will be.
God's people are Christians. Anyone that doesn't believe in God's Son Jesus for salvation will go to hell.
Israel is still to be redeemed as promised to Abraham, the Prophets, and in Revelation. Yes, Gods chosen people are those of faith in Jesus Christ, but God never breaks a promise. In Revelation Israel is restored and New Jerusalem descends. Christians are the spiritual descendants of Abraham, but In Isaiah and revelation God makes it clear he is still working in Israel. God's work starts and ends in Israel. God also promised he'd bless those who bless Abraham and curse those who cure Him. Without accepting Christ no one is saved Jew or Gentile, but God made some promises to the Jews and HE never breaks a promise.
Isaiah 4: 2 - 3 (2) On that day the Branch of the LORD will be beautiful and glorious, and the fruit of the land will be the pride and glory of Israel’s survivors. (3) Whoever remains in Zion and whoever is left in Jerusalem will be called holy— all in Jerusalem who are recorded among the living—
Revelation 7: 3 - 4 (3) “Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.” (4) Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.
You are right in saying only Messianic Jews will inherit the Kingdom of God. However, God cares for Israel and has made promises. We are not to curse Israel, rather bless it.
Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on liberty, consent of the governed and equality before the law. Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but they generally support free markets, free trade, limited government, individual rights (including civil rights and human rights), capitalism, democracy, secularism, gender equality, racial equality, internationalism, freedom of speech, freedom of the press and freedom of religion I think Christians believe in equal rights as was God's intent.
I meet them all the time. However, it doesn't make sense to me either. With the left dismantling and attacking Christians, it's hard to understand that liberal leftist would support such a thing.
If you have ever watched "God's Not Dead" & "God's Not Dead 2" at the end of the credits they show you a list of how universities are attacking Christians.
Also, under Biden the left wants to take away Christian schools/Universities accreditation.
As a Christian, why would you support such a thing?
American liberals aren't the same liberals of my home country. Americans think life doesn't exist outside of the U. S. or that all liberals are the same and hold the same views.
Your profile says "United States", so it's reasonable to assume that is what you are talking about. However, is countries like China... reading the bible is an arrestable offense.
Every country is in a different position in their own history.
Being a Christian has nothing to do with being conservative or liberal. Anyone who says "conservatives are not true christians" or "liberals are not true christians" is just spreading hate and lies. The ONLY thing that defines a Christian is that they believe in Christ and his sacrifice. God made us all unique, including how we think and see the world. Personally, I believe both conservatives and liberals have both good and bad things about them. I lean conservative, but that does not mean I believe liberals are evil. Also, by saying someone is not a Christian just because of how they vote is making judgement, which Jesus tells us NOT TO DO. The only way to tell someone is a Christian is to know the Bible. A Christian's actions should line up with Jesus's teachings. They will not 100% because we are human and sinful, but in general they should. Even if not, it is not for us to judge, but to remind our brothers and sisters in Christ when they have strayed from the Bible. Even then, we just point it out and move on and hope they go back, read the Bible and decide for themselves.
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Being a christian and a republican is an oxymoron. Look at the statement below made by a texas republican mayor in response to texans freezing and without water during their power outage. Does this sound like something jesus would say?
""No one owes you or your family anything; nor is it the local governments responsibility to support you during trying times like this! Sink or swim, it’s your choice... I’m sick and tired of people looking for a damn hand out... If you have no water you deal with out and think outside of the box to survive and supply water to your family. If you were sitting at home in the cold because you have no power and are sitting there waiting for someone to come rescue you because your lazy is direct result of your raising! Only the strong will survive and the week will perish."
Gonna preface this by saying, there is no political party for Christianity straight up.
You can be a Christian Liberal. That said, certain commonly held Liberal positions are indefensible per Christian beliefs.
But all that aside as well. Some things taught in the church are cultural, not direct from the Bible. This is why understanding world view is so important. Forces you to answer deep questions like "why do you even have the beliefs that you hold?".
For alooooot of people. Their politics are one of two things. 1. Passed down from their family, which they've held onto ever since. Or 2. They didn't have a good familial relationship, the natural want to rebel lead them to want to disagree. So long term familial defiance become political stances when they never really deep down thought about the issues.
Certain topics are easy to determine what is "right" per Christianity, but one must contrast that with believing in separation of church and state. And that ultimately any political view you have if you do not also have secular reasoning to back it up then it is a defenseless position.
"God says so" isn't an argument. The country only works because we allow the freedom to practice your religion or lack thereof.
Sort of but it's a very loose and in my opinion, even erroneous use of the word oxymoron. I know what it is you mean but oxymoron isn't the right word for it. Oxymorons relate to expressions used to exaggerate a feeling. Like "the silence was deafening". The word kind of works in the sense that I understand what you mean but nobody would ever write or say: "the liberalism was Christian". Liberalism is a description of political ideals, not religious. Now, you do have conservative Christians but you also have liberal Christians. The difference between the two is their political ideals. They both still believe in the same stories. A better way to ask the question would be to simply ask do liberalism and Christianity conflict with each other? And I would say they do to a certain extent. However, if you take the broader view, trying to project the view that someone with liberal ideals can't be a Christian is what you could call the "no true Scotsman fallacy". By the way, from reading the details of your question, I would say you're a centrist rather than a liberal. You have both liberal and conservative ideals. And the liberal ideals you have don't fit into conservatism and your conservative ideas don't fit into liberalism. You're ambivalent about your political ideologies.
I always think in terms of politically conservative and liberal. Religion has little to do with that. Religion is more related to moral issues, which for the most part are non-issues politically. They get a lot of lip service, but in reality the moral issues have very little to do with politics when it comes to what politicians do in office.
In recent years, liberals have redirected the public debate away from traditional political issues. But it's mostly rhetoric. I don't think most voters put much weight on moral issues.
Even with the moral issues, I've known a LOT of religious people who were liberal on many issues, both moral issues and political issues.
The stereotype about religious people is not representative. It's more a stereotype based on fundamentalist views than on religion as a whole. Fundamentalist might make a lot of noise, but they are a fairly small minority.
Jesus was a liberal. And by definition, a Christian is someone who follows the teachings of Jesus Christ. If you can find one instance of Jesus speaking out against homosexuality or abortion, post it here. All I ever saw was Jesus focusing on the concepts of peacefulness, being neighborly and helping the poor. Conservatives (Trumptards) are the opposite of that stuff. Somehow, people have been tricked into thinking that being an asshole (someone who is boastful, prideful, aggressive, intolerant, violent, hateful, greedy) is "Christian". It's really like one big joke.
Jesus also flipped tables and whipped people out of the temple for using his fathers house for purposes it was never intended for. Also Jesus didn't never a lot of sins because he knew people already knew the laws.. And he definitely wasn't a liberal..
The guy paints rigid views of what a conservative and a Liberal are.. And based on what he considers a "Liberal" he puts on Jesus.. But conservatives are more generous than the average Liberal and are more likely to be followers are Jesus's teaching than the average Liberal. Liberal only look at the fact that Jesus "taught peace, and whatnot".. But he also taught about Hellfire.. And the Bible teaches that Jesus will come back and basically slay armies of people for his Kingdom..
Also Jesus may not have addresses abortion because I doubt it was as pervasive as today, but the Bible teaches that life begins in the womb, and one of the commandments are "You shall not murder".. So if a "fetus" is considered a life by Jesus then... Yeah..
@JDavid25 The Bible was written by people, not a god. And the Bible does NOT specifically say that life begins in the womb. There are mentions of a womb and that a baby comes from a womb but in many instances, the Bible tells us that life begins at first breath. It's really splitting hairs, though. All I know is that Jesus Christ never addressed the issue. So someone who says you can't be a Christian unless you are against abortion is talking out of their ass. Intolerant, greedy assholes who are jerks to other people are the ones who aren't being Christian.
supercutebutt... You're convictions regarding you're cancelled mirade of collective atheism is nothing more than WITCHCRAFT. The bondage that has you as a slave of the darkness will rob , destroy and destined you to eternal death where you will ultimately be deemed incompetent before the Lord at the gates of Heaven.
I know that's a lot to swallow , although I'd rather tell you the truth than lie. You can change all this around quickly tho. I do believe in forgiveness and prayer.
@supercutebutt Abortion didn't exist in that time. Neither did automobiles, open heart surgery, antibiotics etc. Life begins in the womb, we are also to be fruitful and multiply that is in the bible you can actually read it for yourself. Secondly, the Bible according to Christians is the inspired word of God, written by the prophets (for the majority of the Old Testament) or by the apostles (or their followers) who were with Christ or shortly thereafter (New testament). It is not according to them, "a Book written by man." The bible doesn't go along with your political agenda, sorry but it doesn't. Anyone who has read the bible in it's entirety would know that.
The Bible was written by man inspired by God.. The collection of books has so much wisdom it couldn't have been only written by men, because even the authors talk about how dusty humans are in the end. "But when He who had set me apart before I was born, and had called me through His grace. . .” (Galatians 1:15, RSV)." “Behold, children are a gift of the LORD; the fruit of the womb is a reward” (Psalm 127:3, NASV)." “When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit…[saying] ‘As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy'” (Luke 1:41, 44, NIV)." “I have been a Nazirite to God from my mother’s womb” (Judges 16:17). " “You formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother’s womb” (Psalm 139:13)." So the Bible may not directly say that life starts at Conception, but it definitely is saying that life starts at conception. And Abortion is evil no matter what ways you splice it.. They are sucking the baby through a vacuum from the mothers womb Basically ripping it apart piece by piece..
@JDavid25 It's very obvious that the Bible was written by smart people to keep dumb people in line. This is why it says that ordinary humans' kingdom was not of this earth but in Heaven. And rulers soon realized that it would be to their benefit to have their people believe this. And wars were fought to kill anyone who disagreed that Christianity was the true religion. And sure, the Bible contains some good morality lessons mixed in with a bunch of bullshit. Fast forward to today and it is striking how the people who claim to be "Christian" skip over the moral parts of the Bible. They voted for Donald Trump who is the least Christ-like person imaginable. He is vain, stupid and immoral. And his policies reflected that. He duped stupid Americans. It's crystal clear to anyone with a functioning brain. And now "Christians" are the polar opposite of what the Bible tells them to be. :(
what scripture proves that Jesus was a liberal? God destroyed Sodom for their giving up the natural use of the woman so he is against homosexuals ! for he destroyed them ! However , since U R not human but a robutt , then who cares what junk like U R says about anything ! by Robot
supercutebutt or superstupidbutt - what scripture proves that Jesus was a liberal? God destroyed Sodom for their giving up the natural use of the woman so he is against homosexuals ! for he destroyed them ! However , since U R not human but a robutt , then who cares what junk like U R says about anything ! by Robot
@MissDawn7961 Please don't harass me. Name-calling makes Baby Jesus cry :( Just because Donald Trump name-calls doesn't mean you should do it and it certainly doesn't make it right.
@supercutebutt There's no reason to even bother. These Cretins don't know what a "liberal" is; if Jesus were alive today they'd cell him a hippy. They wouldn't recognize the Beatutudes if the sermon were nailed to a cross in front of them. ;)
You say the Bible was written by smart people to keep dumb people in line and then go on to say that Christians today don't follow the "moral" parts of the Bible.. "Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonour others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, and it keeps no record of wrongs." Doesn't sound like smart people trying to keep dumb people in line.. Maybe study the history inside of of the Bible before you have an actual opinion on it.. 😎👉.. As for Trump.. He is not perfect and he is a human being, but I'm not lookin for a leader (especially in politics) to be a super moral.. The doesn't mean that God didn't use Donald Trump.. Or that he can't use Joe Biden.. It's amazing how somebody who most likely doesn't believe in God and most certainly the Bible has a lot to say on how Christians should live and how they should vote.. Also what policies of his reflected that?
@Teyfet Jesus most definitely wouldn't be a hippy.. He probably wouldn't have any political or social affliation because he came to save souls not start any revolution or side with a cause..
John 2:13–16... That's all I need to show you.. Jesus was not a hippie.. He came to establish his purpose.. He came to fulfilled his word, to save the world.. He was all about love, but not the love hippies are talking about.. He also curse a tree, call a woman a dog, and called the Pharisees Vipers.. He told the people to give to Caesar what is Caesars and give to what God what is God's.. Doesn't sound like a "fight the system" hippie type.. 😂
Read my reply to Jess1812 above. God's word about homosexuality has not changed. Jesus spoke about forgiveness but he also talked about sin, to go your way and sin no more. Jesus spoke of the way to avoid spiritual death and to repent of your sins, including homosexuality, as God calls it an abomination.
@Daniela1982 Jesus was against greed, hatred, and stuff like that. If homosexuality was what he was focused on, we would know that. Actually, hating gay people goes against the teachings of Jesus, as everyone is a child of God.
1 Corinithians 6:9 to 6:10 "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God."
Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
God does not condone homosexuality or men behaving in an effeminate manner. This is literally in the bible. If you actually read the bible you would know this.
@Djaay I don't hear you railing against the greed and selfishness of Donald Trump. Jesus spoke out against those things. He was against them. Why aren't you?
GOD uses who he uses to transformate his will as he wishes. It's not about voting our leaders in or being a cheerleader for the leaders either. It's about praying for who ever is in the position to lead with prayers from those who are of God so our nation stands strongly , rightfully above the others in God's name.
Accually , he was even smarter than that... The Bible teaches us that politics , political correctness and political identity are factions of WITCHCRAFT. Although he does interfere with injustice as he sees it. Why are you so hatefull anyway? Who cares who's in the whitehouse. Every single person and president LIE to every single person in the nation while they're lies become you're belief. With the amount of faith you have with Biden or liberals , you would be a warrior in God's eye instead.
Classical liberal, it's debatable. The modern meaning, however, is basically Marxist. Which mistakes robbery for charity, dehumanization for management, blessing for curse, procreation for recreation, individual success for criminal exploitation, individual destruction for collective prosperity, etc. It is Satanic, and tolerates no level of detachment from worldly concern in the heart of anyone. Hence why the CCP also persecutes the Fulan Gong. It's because cynics keep assassinating the dictionary, that words are not allowed to keep a consistency to their meaning. Thus, as the definitions change over time, no identity in any label is safe.
I don't know about every sect of Christianity but I know that some and even my own does have this liberal ideal: free will or agency.
That every person should have the freedom to make their own decisions. The way I see it, my religion gives me what I need to know and what I do with it is up to me. I don't think the two are entirely contradictory.
I'm not a supporter of lgbt or any of the other things you've mentioned but that's their choice. Abortion though... that's a real prickly topic.
You are not a "liberal" by that definition.. You believe a lot of Democratic things like big government, and welfare (which really is a hindrance).. But you can't set your own values and ideas when you choose to live by the values of the Lord.. Meaning hettin married, being a working man, believing in the way he created the world.. You inherently have conservative values within you as a Christian even though you don't subscribe to Conservativism.. Also you can't say you want freedom, and then spout big government at the same time..
There is a big difference between those who follow the actual teachings of Christ and those who follow the Bible, and most Christian denominations favor the Apostle Paul, mainly, I suspect, because that's where you get to Heaven by simply accepting Christ as your personal savior, rather than actually having to live your life according to what Christ taught, like Quakers and Unitarians. Now, as far as being both a Liberal and a Christian, if you compare Christ's actual teachings to the main concepts of Liberalism, you will notice they are almost identical. Meaning, treating one another with respect and compassion, not judging others, and helping the poor are dead center in both. From what I've seen, most people who follow Christ's teachings consider Evangelicals a Christian cult, especially since Evangelicals are so judgmental and lack compassion. Followers of Christ also don't usually consider Evangelicals to be Christian at all.
There's no Christian political party. Christianity doesn't overlap with politics. They're separate topics. You can be a Christian Republican, Democrat, communist, libertarian, etc. Anybody who says that you can't is selfishly attempting to shame you into voting for people they like.
Based on what you said, you are very mixed instead of a liberal. Some of those are actually inconsistent, such as you favoring women's rights but oppose lesbian rights? You think a women shouldn't be forced to marry, but she can't marry another consenting woman? 🤷
How is someone considered a social equal under law if they are denied the right to be with someone they love? Or to do anything that is not the business of someone else?
I believe marriage should be recognized by law between man and woman only.
Gay marriage in my opinion sends a message of perversion throughout society being accepted and honored which can defile and desensitise youth to see it as something normal which clearly isn't.
Marriage is something sacred and holy before God and should be honored between man and woman.
Gays can live their gay lifestyles as they wish behind private closed doors.
The point at which your thinking is flawed is in expecting the government can do better than the free market. The government has NO INCENTIVE to provide good results since they get your money regardless how good they do. Billions are wasted every year to fill the pockets of worthless and lazy bureaucrats. They want to take food out of your child's mouth to help pay for their yacht.
I don't give a damn about your religion.
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I think you can embrace the spirit of a religion, believe in a deity, and live a life using it's teachings without conforming to letter of the law of the prevailing organisations based around that religion. For some this is cherry picking hypocrisy. For others, it's being sympathetic to a more populist view of the religion than the zealots would condone.
Sometimes what seems a victory isn't really a victory and sometimes a defeat isn't really a defeat. Whether in attacking, counterattacking, or defensive tactics, the idea of attacking should remain central, to always keep the initiative. Do not fear the enemy, for they can take only your life. General Giap inspiring his troops to victory over THE US Military
You're all over the place with your beliefs on the bible and your political ones as well.. Few things you should keep in mind- the way god is portrayed in the 1st testament is much more brutal, vengeful than the way he is portrayed in the new testament. There are countless interpretations of scripture as well as countless gospels that have been removed at some point. Much of what is written was just meant to be a guide or example of how to apply much of the teachings to your life in that time period.. we live in a different time. It was written you should not spill your seed for example... because in those rigged
* Because in those times populations were low and in order to be a good Christian you should be using that to make more people! However in current times with overpopulation the exact opposite is true.
Lastly! A true christian is open and accepting of all people no matter what. Jesus undoubtedly would have been a leftist, likely socialist. You can be whatever political affiliation you want and be a christian but you and so many others already disqualify yourselves from that long before you even get into your political ideals.
Have you heard of the "owls at dawn" podcast? These 2 philosophy major graduates (very hard left leaning) made a podcast to bullshit with impunity but they originally went to college to be theologians. They asked too many questions and ultimately abandoned the organized theology but still have the "teachings" in heart.
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"I don't support LGBT, gay marriage, abortion, gender dysphoria nonsense [...] LGBT and killing babies has been going on for thousands of years, so that's nothing new in the world and I will never support disgusting evil acts" you can't crete a "mini paradise" when you're hating on a large portion of the population. LGBT people are not evil wtf
Anonymous - all these groups U R talking about R of the devil and R going to hell N less they repent of their murdering and sexually transmitted disease carrying butts and turn to Jesus ! thanks
@MissDawn7961 Do you believe in Jesus? Because I don't but my boyfriend does. He says Jesus loves everybody and that's why he sacrificed himself. My boyfriend says Jesus forgave a prostitute even when his believers wanted to stone her to death "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her". If you truly are a believer then it's not your place to judge who goes to hell and who doesn't
Anon... Quotes from the bible aren't judgement from the person quoting , God encourages his disciples to forward his spirit to others. It's rather a judgement from GOD OMIGHTY HIMSELF. You're just being reminded of the one who ultimately is the Judge of them all.
Liberal is often conflated with most of the things you just denounced. For some it is helpful to differentiate between leftist and liberal, a liberal being someone concerned with personal liberty even when they disagree with you, and a leftist believing that people who don't share their opinion are evil, and will do anything to justify or excuse violence against those people.
"I don't support LGBT, gay marriage, abortion, gender dysphoria nonsense, which a lot of liberals do, at least here in the U. S. but I don't." This part here is key. I think with that being said you can be a Christian, the rest is debatable among Christians, how should we allocate resources, taxes, should the government or charity be a better way to provide for people?
