And that's exactly why it's too late to disarm guns now that illegal gun owners got the hand of it. It's still gun's fault why gun violence happens there often compared to countries that never legalized guns from the start.
Even if we never had guns there would still be a "gun problem" here because of Mexico.
I don't believe Guns simply existing in a country causes gun violence. Violence is violence it will existing with or without guns. Violence existing because of their being underlying problems not just because a certain tool exists.
Except violence alone is not always enough or guarantee to kill. Violence + gun almost guarantees death to anyone. And it doesn't matter what country is to blame. Making guns legal in the first place is the issue talked about here.
What does guns do other than to shoot? What does shooting do to benefit a life style? Can a kitchen work without knife? Can a lumber jack do his job without any axe, saw or chain saws? Well sure you can use guns to defend yourself against wild animals if you're not living in a city but the thing is even back when guns were never a thing, there are always ways to defend yourself against wild animals but after all, the question is talking about cities here. Also FYI, knives are already a thing even before civilization so was there guns before civilization?
And ordinary civilians are not suppose to be in a position to initiate divine judgement to anyone unless they're certified officials who's job is to do so.
So ordinary citizens are just slaves? They shouldn't have any power?
Guns are the most effective tool at self defense when all other courses of action fail. Yes they haven't been around as long as a knife but they have existed for well over 600 years ever since China accidentally developed black powder. So you can't say they are new either.
Because you like to view ordinary citizens as a slave just because they don't have the rights to own guns. Really is not even comparable to actual slavery like what the real African americans faced back then? How is it impossible for you to start a business or become a successful whatever field your studying without owning guns like what does it have to do with it if you are considering them as slaves? Guns are the most effective tool in self-defense but it is also the most effective tool in offense. And i said before civilization started. 600 years ago is not that old by earth's standards
And you know it also depends on what you call self defense. Someone trying to slap you and you shot the person in exchange is also a form of self defense. If you are not being specific, self defense can be just anything and can be just as immoral as being an offender. But i'm not saying you shouldn't defend yourself but i still like to bring out how self defense can be unfair.
And as for the self defense culture, this is exactly why people in example united states have really bad communication with one another. You're all expected to do everything by yourself because you all have guns. Not all but thats just a hyperbole. And this is exactly why there are so many political issues going on and people are so divided despite them being so free to do whatever they want.
Biggest by comparison but it's a slight difference compared to Canada and UK which are also big melting pots. The thing is they just never started guns unlike the wild west making it a trend.
Because the people are more enslaved than we are, they alway were under government control and don't have true freedom of speech and don't truly have the right of self preservation. Its been so long that thats how their cultures are and accept having less freedom.
You just repeated that "enslave" notion again which is what I already talked about
"Because you like to view ordinary citizens as a slave just because they don't have the rights to own guns. Really is not even comparable to actual slavery like what the real African americans faced back then? How is it impossible for you to start a business or become a successful whatever field your studying without owning guns like what does it have to do with it if you are considering them as slaves? Guns are the most effective tool in self-defense but it is also the most effective tool in offense."
You already have a lot of things you need in the USA to survive. It's a first world country where people are barely starving and you call yourself "enslaved" if you don't get guns? This is what im talking about. Greed
That's just how you interpret "freedom" anyone can also say it's not true freedom unless anyone can fly planes, unless anyone can own nukes, unless anyone can just go to the moon or etc. Feeling oppressed just because of whatever silly reasons. That's indeed a first world problem
Still comparing not owning guns to jews oppressed by hittler? Oh sure you can also feel like those jews because you can't eat your new cereal because you have to finish the old one you just open.
Then tell that to China who also happens to be a global super power in terms of military and also mass production. Despite their issues going on in there, no country is perfect and that includes USA with so many issues as well. The difference and comparison here is they don't own guns they're safer https://www.quora.com/How-safe-is-China also if you so call them "oppressed" i would say disciplined is more accurate and if they're really slaves, they all have the opportunity to be millionares and a lot of them are.
No they are not a super power yet. Super powers is able to take on 3 large scale wars simultaneously. China has nothing close to our tech and individual training. They are catching up and so is India.
worldpopulationreview.com/.../world-superpowers then i can give you a link about those. All links talking about super powers there's always china in it. If you're such in denial about it can you even explain how it even got the title?
We have the largest active force in the world. Our navy and air force is so large that all the main powers of the world combined still don't match our force.
Which only made a slight difference to it's runner ups. Also, while your country may have a "better" military, it doesn't always mean it's better at anything else. China is also the best mass producer in the world and even better than USA but does that mean anything?
Yeah best at poluting the earth as well with cutting corners on CO² emissions. Best at orphaning girls because of religious reasons. We use to be the best producers in the word, but all those jobs went to china because of how much cheaper things are made there.
Also the best at looking for ways to clean the environment as we continue producing for you. But promise producing country they are not that dirty compared to other countries that don't even produce. But they are filthy anyways. And the reason why china produces so cheap items is because they have better equipment that can make more things than any other factories in the world. You cannot blame china that every other countries including the USA with so many debts buying from them. Also i am not saying china has no issues but it doesn't or form in us a has no issues. But still has nothing to do with gun laws but the issues here we're talking about is gun violence which china has less of it
But then again if they are so helpless, why are there a lot of successful people there? Really though there are those people experiencing living in china but they don't have problems with it yet they feel safer like the example i gave. The problem with us you just like to cherry pick with a problem here to make the issue you're talking about a less of a problem.
And while other countries have less issues with china, it seems like only you usa seems to bash on them a lot. While you control the world news media, it's easy for your media to be so one-sided about the situations there. Isn't that like a fear that someday they might surpass you usa? Because really it's starting to look like it
I am talking about self preservation not success here. People of China are being ruled my a dictator, the government can remove anyone they want without a trial, they have no freedom of speech, can't own anything to defend themselves with against criminal.
Or it just seemed like they're "ruled" to you because of their choices. Really tho, it's ironic that you tell want them to be free yet you still feel like you hate their choices. What makes you so sure that they really "can't" or they really "won't"? Is china even a broken country? Is china even like north korea? FYI, no. Because they can speak up if their government has gone too far. Chinese government just not allowing guns for chinese citizens to own is not a big deal for them. Why should they make it a big deal for them? I thought you want them free, yet there you are being a supremacist telling them what they should do.
Or you mean to say standing up with their government like how the USA citizens do it like thrashing, vandalizing buildings, threatening the cops, swearing, tantrum and more things. Because yes that's a good reason to eliminate someone. This is exactly why they don't do that but debate with a proper manner and they barely get executed that way. USA in the other hand, no matter how proper you reason out, there are always SJW that's gonna scream at you even if you made a point. Worse, they can kill you for it so difference is?
Because it doesn't work when they aren't widespread. If you can drive 3 hours and buy a gun out of a dude's pickup truck it doesn't matter how strict your city's gun laws are.
@007kingifrit we don't if we look to areas that have universal gun laws. Japan and Australia for example. The Yakuza, organized crime in Japan, won't even let their members carry guns because the gun laws are so strict
nothing you just said makes any sense. areas with low gun crime and ease of accessing guns do not have different definitions of crime. federal crime is federal crime and everyone uses the same definition
@007kingifrit Federal crime hs federal crime, but areas that make it illegal to carry guns make it a crime to carry a gun +1 crime, while those that don't, don't. So we have two people doing the same act where one ja violating the law while the other isn't.
there are no caveats or exceptions. YOU tried to find caveats by not looking at all crime and finding individual crimes that existed in one place and not the other
the mark of a reasonable man is he can find a reason for whatever he already wanted to believe: you will always find a way to twist the truth to your fake reality because you're a weak person
for crimes recognized in all areas; places with stricter gun laws will have higher crime per capita
we can't compare across international borders as there are billions of factors that make countries different and its not possible to draw meaningful conclusions from it
"contributing factors" is an excuse to ignore the obvious. more gun laws = more crime in america
@007kingifrit and I am saying that you can't look at it without considering any other factors if you expect to be taken seriously. Look at it this way. My family doesn't allow any guns on our property. In the 29 years we've been here there have been 0 shootings. To use this is an argument to say gun laws work is pretty stupid. To say there's more crime in an area without looking at anything else is equally asinine.
socialist Brazil has some of the strictest gun laws on the planet and gun crime is extreme and rampant. criminals make their own guns and kill cops and military daily.
WHAT ABOUT BIDEN AND HIS COMMUNIST OVERLOAD XI ZING PING AND THEIR CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY? STEALING US PROPERTY? WHY DO YOU THINK THEY HAVE ALL THIS NEW TECH AND CLONE PRODUCTS?
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because gun laws are ignored by criminals, and the law-abiding citizens are defenseless... and the criminals know it.
It's just like how cities without gun laws have more crime than cities who never started legalizing guns in the first place.
Well guns have always been legal here since our founding
And that's exactly why it's too late to disarm guns now that illegal gun owners got the hand of it. It's still gun's fault why gun violence happens there often compared to countries that never legalized guns from the start.
Even if we never had guns there would still be a "gun problem" here because of Mexico.
I don't believe Guns simply existing in a country causes gun violence. Violence is violence it will existing with or without guns. Violence existing because of their being underlying problems not just because a certain tool exists.
Except violence alone is not always enough or guarantee to kill. Violence + gun almost guarantees death to anyone. And it doesn't matter what country is to blame. Making guns legal in the first place is the issue talked about here.
Violence + knife almost guarantees death as well.
Here there were made legal so it evened the playing field and it was to give The People the power to hold the Government accountable.
What does guns do other than to shoot? What does shooting do to benefit a life style? Can a kitchen work without knife? Can a lumber jack do his job without any axe, saw or chain saws? Well sure you can use guns to defend yourself against wild animals if you're not living in a city but the thing is even back when guns were never a thing, there are always ways to defend yourself against wild animals but after all, the question is talking about cities here. Also FYI, knives are already a thing even before civilization so was there guns before civilization?
Comparing guns to the other tools, the only purpose of a gun is to kill.
And ordinary civilians are not suppose to be in a position to initiate divine judgement to anyone unless they're certified officials who's job is to do so.
So ordinary citizens are just slaves? They shouldn't have any power?
Guns are the most effective tool at self defense when all other courses of action fail. Yes they haven't been around as long as a knife but they have existed for well over 600 years ever since China accidentally developed black powder. So you can't say they are new either.
Because you like to view ordinary citizens as a slave just because they don't have the rights to own guns. Really is not even comparable to actual slavery like what the real African americans faced back then? How is it impossible for you to start a business or become a successful whatever field your studying without owning guns like what does it have to do with it if you are considering them as slaves? Guns are the most effective tool in self-defense but it is also the most effective tool in offense. And i said before civilization started. 600 years ago is not that old by earth's standards
And you know it also depends on what you call self defense. Someone trying to slap you and you shot the person in exchange is also a form of self defense. If you are not being specific, self defense can be just anything and can be just as immoral as being an offender. But i'm not saying you shouldn't defend yourself but i still like to bring out how self defense can be unfair.
Exactly thats why guns are the ultimate equalizer.
And as for the self defense culture, this is exactly why people in example united states have really bad communication with one another. You're all expected to do everything by yourself because you all have guns. Not all but thats just a hyperbole. And this is exactly why there are so many political issues going on and people are so divided despite them being so free to do whatever they want.
No we have so many issues because of different ideals and we are the biggest melting pot in the world.
Biggest by comparison but it's a slight difference compared to Canada and UK which are also big melting pots. The thing is they just never started guns unlike the wild west making it a trend.
Because the people are more enslaved than we are, they alway were under government control and don't have true freedom of speech and don't truly have the right of self preservation. Its been so long that thats how their cultures are and accept having less freedom.
You just repeated that "enslave" notion again which is what I already talked about
"Because you like to view ordinary citizens as a slave just because they don't have the rights to own guns. Really is not even comparable to actual slavery like what the real African americans faced back then? How is it impossible for you to start a business or become a successful whatever field your studying without owning guns like what does it have to do with it if you are considering them as slaves? Guns are the most effective tool in self-defense but it is also the most effective tool in offense."
You already have a lot of things you need in the USA to survive. It's a first world country where people are barely starving and you call yourself "enslaved" if you don't get guns? This is what im talking about. Greed
Without the right to bear arms you are truly not free. Because if the government decides to ignore its people, Without guns what can you do?
That's just how you interpret "freedom" anyone can also say it's not true freedom unless anyone can fly planes, unless anyone can own nukes, unless anyone can just go to the moon or etc. Feeling oppressed just because of whatever silly reasons. That's indeed a first world problem
Tell that to the jews that lived in German controlled Europe before and during WWII
Still comparing not owning guns to jews oppressed by hittler? Oh sure you can also feel like those jews because you can't eat your new cereal because you have to finish the old one you just open.
Without how we view firearm we would not be the nation we are today or the soul super power.
Then tell that to China who also happens to be a global super power in terms of military and also mass production. Despite their issues going on in there, no country is perfect and that includes USA with so many issues as well. The difference and comparison here is they don't own guns they're safer https://www.quora.com/How-safe-is-China also if you so call them "oppressed" i would say disciplined is more accurate and if they're really slaves, they all have the opportunity to be millionares and a lot of them are.
No they are not a super power yet. Super powers is able to take on 3 large scale wars simultaneously. China has nothing close to our tech and individual training. They are catching up and so is India.
worldpopulationreview.com/.../world-superpowers then i can give you a link about those. All links talking about super powers there's always china in it. If you're such in denial about it can you even explain how it even got the title?
deloitte.wsj.com/.../ and here is more
We have the largest active force in the world. Our navy and air force is so large that all the main powers of the world combined still don't match our force.
Which only made a slight difference to it's runner ups. Also, while your country may have a "better" military, it doesn't always mean it's better at anything else. China is also the best mass producer in the world and even better than USA but does that mean anything?
Yeah best at poluting the earth as well with cutting corners on CO² emissions. Best at orphaning girls because of religious reasons. We use to be the best producers in the word, but all those jobs went to china because of how much cheaper things are made there.
Also the best at looking for ways to clean the environment as we continue producing for you. But promise producing country they are not that dirty compared to other countries that don't even produce. But they are filthy anyways. And the reason why china produces so cheap items is because they have better equipment that can make more things than any other factories in the world. You cannot blame china that every other countries including the USA with so many debts buying from them. Also i am not saying china has no issues but it doesn't or form in us a has no issues. But still has nothing to do with gun laws but the issues here we're talking about is gun violence which china has less of it
Maybe so but also just means that everyone is venerable to criminals. Everyone is helpless when criminals have and government have the bigger stick.
But then again if they are so helpless, why are there a lot of successful people there? Really though there are those people experiencing living in china but they don't have problems with it yet they feel safer like the example i gave. The problem with us you just like to cherry pick with a problem here to make the issue you're talking about a less of a problem.
And while other countries have less issues with china, it seems like only you usa seems to bash on them a lot. While you control the world news media, it's easy for your media to be so one-sided about the situations there. Isn't that like a fear that someday they might surpass you usa? Because really it's starting to look like it
I am talking about self preservation not success here. People of China are being ruled my a dictator, the government can remove anyone they want without a trial, they have no freedom of speech, can't own anything to defend themselves with against criminal.
Or it just seemed like they're "ruled" to you because of their choices. Really tho, it's ironic that you tell want them to be free yet you still feel like you hate their choices. What makes you so sure that they really "can't" or they really "won't"? Is china even a broken country? Is china even like north korea? FYI, no. Because they can speak up if their government has gone too far. Chinese government just not allowing guns for chinese citizens to own is not a big deal for them. Why should they make it a big deal for them? I thought you want them free, yet there you are being a supremacist telling them what they should do.
If any even thinks about standing against the government they are eliminated. Thats not a choice.
Or you mean to say standing up with their government like how the USA citizens do it like thrashing, vandalizing buildings, threatening the cops, swearing, tantrum and more things. Because yes that's a good reason to eliminate someone. This is exactly why they don't do that but debate with a proper manner and they barely get executed that way. USA in the other hand, no matter how proper you reason out, there are always SJW that's gonna scream at you even if you made a point. Worse, they can kill you for it so difference is?
Lol glade we see I to I on SJW's, trash people.
Too bad there aren't any on those "overly free" country.
Oh and before you say people in China are just so sad, last I checked, their suicide rate is not even as high as USA suicide rate. Not even close.
Because it doesn't work when they aren't widespread. If you can drive 3 hours and buy a gun out of a dude's pickup truck it doesn't matter how strict your city's gun laws are.
1. nobody buys guns like that
2. if your concerns are valid why don't we see higher gun crime in areas with lax gun laws?
@007kingifrit we don't if we look to areas that have universal gun laws. Japan and Australia for example. The Yakuza, organized crime in Japan, won't even let their members carry guns because the gun laws are so strict
this conversation is limited to america. why don't areas in america with lax gun laws have high gun crime?
the answer is that GUN LAWS CAUSE GUN CRIME
@007kingifrit only when they aren't widespread
you didn't answer my question: why don't areas with lax gun laws have gun crime?
@007kingifrit they don't have more crume than those with stricter gun laws Iin the YS because what constitutes a crime with a gun is different.
nothing you just said makes any sense. areas with low gun crime and ease of accessing guns do not have different definitions of crime. federal crime is federal crime and everyone uses the same definition
the correct answer is your beliefs are wrong
@007kingifrit Federal crime hs federal crime, but areas that make it illegal to carry guns make it a crime to carry a gun +1 crime, while those that don't, don't. So we have two people doing the same act where one ja violating the law while the other isn't.
those aren't the kinds of crime we are talking about. murder, rape, robbery... all higher in areas with strict gun laws
all have the same rules of reporting in all places... so you're wrong
@007kingifrit to save time just give me a lots of all the caveats and exceptions in your questions.
*a list of
there are no caveats or exceptions. YOU tried to find caveats by not looking at all crime and finding individual crimes that existed in one place and not the other
YOU looked for an excuse
@007kingifrit you asked about crime. Not specific crimes. You asked about gun laws, not only US gun laws. I can't read implications in this format.
an adult responds to the point someone is making, not the specific wording they used to make it
your technical argument is immature
@007kingifrit If you stated your point clearly and didn't ask me to guess the implications of typed words it'd be easier
the mark of a reasonable man is he can find a reason for whatever he already wanted to believe: you will always find a way to twist the truth to your fake reality because you're a weak person
for crimes recognized in all areas; places with stricter gun laws will have higher crime per capita
@007kingifrit focusing on the US ignoring all other contributing factors?
we can't compare across international borders as there are billions of factors that make countries different and its not possible to draw meaningful conclusions from it
"contributing factors" is an excuse to ignore the obvious. more gun laws = more crime in america
@007kingifrit more people=more gangs
no, gangs operate in all areas of the country. gangs are very prevelant in new hampshire for example... but they do less crime
you know why? because they'll... get shot
@007kingifrit you're saying that NYC gas fewer gangs than Wyoming?
no, im not counting gangs at all. not in any way relevant to my point
im saying that areas with higher crime have stricter gun laws
@007kingifrit and I am saying that you can't look at it without considering any other factors if you expect to be taken seriously. Look at it this way. My family doesn't allow any guns on our property. In the 29 years we've been here there have been 0 shootings. To use this is an argument to say gun laws work is pretty stupid. To say there's more crime in an area without looking at anything else is equally asinine.
your property is not the same scale. totally irrelevant. but we can compare 2 counties or states
and what we find is the places with more gun laws always have more crime. no other factors are needed
@007kingifrit if you don't want to make a compelling argument I agree.
every1 is more polite and less willing to break the law when everyone is armed. this is proven by red states vs blue states
You tell me not to do it something
It makes me wanna do it even more
Because those cities are also known for being our greatest strength.
what? that wasn't a very articulate answer
Obviously it’s not a gun problem, it’s a people problem.
Because they’re the most populace and are surrounded by guns stores just beyond city limits.
Finally some logic
Funny that city by city laws never work too well
Criminals don't follow the law. Citizens do. And since they can't afford weapons they get robbed by armed criminals
People are just getting stir crazy and gun laws don’t stop outlaws, you cannot even have a gun in Manhattan but criminals carry them
because its the people who don't follow the law doing the shooting
People have guns, and are also apparently pissed off.
Because the mind dead idiots knows nobody will shoot back.
There are insane people wanting to kill!
Not hard to figure out..
that's an overly simplistic answer; there are bad people anywhere. why does it only manifest in certain places with the strictest gun laws?
@007kingifrit
I don’t have the answer. It’s very telling and interesting.
If cities got drug delears and gang members off the streets 80% of gun violence would disappear.
There it is take guns, away from people criminals get them anyway
criminals laugh at your gun laws
socialist Brazil has some of the strictest gun laws on the planet and gun crime is extreme and rampant. criminals make their own guns and kill cops and military daily.
the recent house party shooting was caused by a black guy.. just saying
Criminals don't follow gun laws
because liberalism is a mental disease
Nobody informed the criminals?
Why do guns have to exist?
why not lohow else will we fight tyranny?
slap each other to death?
you don't need guns to fight tyranny
okay how will we fight tyranny?
and do you think china by your no gun rule?
The pen is mightier than the sword
and it's not china dude
ITS FUCKING RUSSIA
ITS ALWAYS BEEN FUCKIGN RUSSIA
STOP WITH THE FUCKING CHINA
TRUMP, AND HIS RUSSIAN COHORTS, ARE PIECES OF SHIT, WHO DESERVE TO ROT IN HELL
WHAT ABOUT BIDEN AND HIS COMMUNIST OVERLOAD XI ZING PING AND THEIR CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY? STEALING US PROPERTY?
WHY DO YOU THINK THEY HAVE ALL THIS NEW TECH AND CLONE PRODUCTS?
YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU"RE FUCKING TALKING ABOUT, YOU FUCKING IDIOT
Huh, interesting, i pointed out the truth, and i still didn't get MHO
how like a republican, fucking idiot