If you leave a lamborghini in your driveway, and I smash the window in, hotwire the dashboard, and speed away into the night, should I then call the cops and explain to them that your car was too nice to resist stealing?
Now, I think I can imagine what you're thinking, so I'll add a mea culpa:
It's probably reasonable to assume that a lamborghini owner would consider the possibility of theft, and take preventive measures by keeping it in a locked garage when not in use.
So maybe just flashing the goods indiscriminately without knowing what opportunistic car thieves might pass by is practically asking for trouble. And if you leave it unlocked with the keys in the ignition in a bad part of town, then even your car insurer would laugh you out the room.
But if you went to file a missing car report with the police, you'd want them to punish the criminal who stole your fucking car! Regardless of whether you could've taken additional measures to remove the car from prying eyes. The point remains that stealing cars is a crime, and criminals should be punished, on the basis that nobody put a gun to their head and made them steal your car. They just upped and fucking TOOK IT. Even knowing they had no legal or moral mandate to do so.
So the standard advice for "how not to get your car stolen" would mean keeping it locked when not in use, and having common sense about what parts of town you leave it out in the open unattended. A garage is safer than a driveway, and a driveway is safer than a parking lot, and a parking plot is safer than an empty street, and an empty street is safer than an abandoned warehouse being used as a crack den for homeless junkies. There's always gonna be varying degrees of consideration when it comes to protecting highly desirable assets of ours. And a young attractive woman dressed to the nines could be considered a highly desirable asset, in some sense. But end of the day, once that car has been nicked, or a woman has been assaulted, or whatever other criminal violation takes place, then all "common sense" insurance policies and safety considerations are moot, null, and void. Theft is a zero sum game: the thief takes what they want, and the victim loses 100% of whatever the thief took. A stolen car is a stolen car regardless of the unique circumstances that led up to the car being stolen.
So of course, women should be aware of their safety when out partying or walking home at night. Of course they should also be aware of the effects that "showing off the goods" too readily in a strange part of town can have on their risk factor of being accosted. Common sense self-protection should be taught to men, women, and children, for all manner of circumstances and crime prevention strategies. It's why my neighbors have CCTV and floodlights in their driveways. It's why we teach our kids not to run away from us in the supermarket, or to stay in eyesight at the park. But if someone abducts your child from the supermarket or park because line of sight was broken for just a moment too long, you're hardly gonna go to the police and say "call off the search party, I'm to blame, let's leave the abductor to diddle my kid in peace". You MIGHT feel shame or guilt since parents are supposed to never let this sort of thing happen to their kids. But ultimately it's the abductor who abducts, just as its the thief who thieves, as its the rapist who rapes. So while precautions are never a bad idea to take ahead of time, you can't infer the inverse, that "lack of precaution" somehow means the victim "asked to be violated". Nobody asks to be preyed upon. Its just the nature of the predator to seek the easiest available prey.
Well , i wouldn't call it a fashion , but it's just plain invitation , i might be wrong , but , putting a tasty snack in front of an animal and not expecting to eat them is stupidity!
A woman could go out naked, unless she is telling you she is asking you to have sex with her... she still isn’t “asking for it”
Rape is rarely about what a woman is wearing. If someone is looking to rape, they will do it regardless of whether or not she was in a suit of armour.
I’m still of the opinion that most men are not rapists, or stupid enough to think that a tiny outfit Is an invitation to force himself on someone.
She may a sitting duck if she was unfortunate enough to find herself in the same room as a potential rapist, but if it wasn’t her, it would be someone else.
Rape is indescribably traumatic, and if you don’t think that women don’t go over and over all the ways that they think it may have been “their fault “ ... even if it’s just that she trusted her community enough to think it was safe to walk home alone after dusk, you are very wrong.
She deserves it then
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Had she been diddled, fingered or even 'gang banged' AT the bar... CLEARLY, to patronize an establishment which EXISTS to serve inhibition-reducing pharmacology and to SO CLEARLY display her sexual allure SO accessibly, is to BLATANTLY solicit male or even lesbian female concupiscence~
That, having been said, ONCE she chose to LEAVE those prevaricating circumstances... legally THAT 'ship had sailed' and to have travelled to her home sans SOME form of 'guardianship' was EXTREMELY 'poor foresight'. Professional exotic dancers, whose VERY employment is to 'tease' the frustrated desire of intoxicated Patrons in return for 'favored status' KNOW BETTER than to end their 'work day' UNACCOMPANIED.
You don't 'tart up' some 'Pollyanna' as shown below, any more than having Lady Gaga in her meat couture naively leisurely lounge about wild lions and tigers instinctive atavism and EXPECT 'un-natural' behaviors to BE "the norm'.
In Human jurisprudence there exists an 'acid test' question: "Was the Accused's actions those of a 'prudent and reasonable person' " ?
Do you propose we live according to Sharia laws? Women stay out of the view of men except under a few strict conditions and she is wearing a bee suit and covering her eyes? Because you know if a man gets an erection, it's her fault and she is "asking" to be raped. Then she gets punished for "causing" a man to lose control of his penis and she is whipped and stoned to death.
Who gets to decide which dresses are too tempting for men? What is the criteria? Will we measure what percentage of skin she is revealing? What about bikinis?
You seem to have this "fact" stuck in your head if a woman shows skin she is asking for it. Ok sir if u wear no shirt I think you are a whore and absolutely will try to assault you with a strap on because YOU ARE DEFINITELY ASKING FOR IT AND DESERVE IT your G spot is in your ass so biologically speaking you know you want to get fucked. You men who think this way better get right with God because women have had just about enough. The very fact that your G spot is located in your anus is my cue, you long for a penis the size of a truck to rail you. So anyone comes up to me with the absurd idea of women showing skin are asking for anything, you better pray I have nothing to assault you with.
There's no excuse to sexually assault anyone, even if they're naked.
But shouldn't girls flashing to guys be a crime? I mean, guys flashing to girls is a crime, so I suppose the opposite is true, it's not? (Oh and I repeat, being a criminal is not a free pass to sexually assault them).
Don't get me wrong I kibda condemn women using their sexuality to get ahead in life or to boost their ego or for whatever reason, but there's a difference between condemning and rape... Guys gotta get their shit together and get some game, learn how to interact with women, cus this "women deserve to be raped" shit is sick as fuck. There are steps between having sex and being flirty, and those steps are not creepily following her home. And even if you do everything right and she decides not to have sex... Well that's her choice. It happens to all of us sometimes.
There is no excuse for anyone lacking self control. Crossing boundaries without constant and clear permission is an offense. The abuser is to be held 100% accountable.
To say otherwise is to suggest that a woman’s raw sexuality is inherently powerful enough to control any random man. I just don’t believe that, personally. Nobody’s sexual presence is that strong.
The person who did it is who's fault it is. Clearly. Situational ethics is a thing, but this isn't an example of where it would make any real difference.
What about this situation might suggest it's even possibly the girls fault she got assaulted? What about the situation might possibly have made assaulting her the right thing to do rather than a wrong thing to do?
If I may suggest suggest a better situation for this: the girl goes home with a guy and wants to have sex but is drunk. Based on her behavior before she got drunk, he assumes that she really does want to. So they do. but it turns out she actually didn't she's just a huge flirt. In this situation, though it's still easy to say he should have waited until she was able to properly consent, it's also arguable to say that the guy had good reason to believe he wasn't taking advantage of her.
It has to be at least arguable by both sides if you want it to make people think dude.
Well the guy is to blame for doing the deed (unless by sexual assault you mean he thought she was interested and she wasn't and he then left after finding out), but she is to blame for actively cultivating the circumstances.
Basically she doused the house in accelerant and handed you the match, if you light it your the one who started the fire but she is an accomplice. This is no different, you cannot act and then pretend like those actions have no consequences.
What in the actual fuck? Mate r u dying from dementia?💀 He should be able to control himself. Imagine someone steals from you and then blames you for their actions cuz "why'd you have such nice things? you were asking to be stolen from"
@888thegreat The total DOUCHBAG that assaults her!! HE IS THE ONE TO BLAME!!
A woman can be the most incredibly hot, most amazing woman, and totally flirting with you, but if SHE SAYS NO! IT IS NO!!
Yeah, she can tease you, and get you excited, and then STOP, ANY TIME SHE CHOOSES!!
A woman, no matter what she is wearing, or flirting, anything, is NEVER OBLIGATED to let a man FCK her, regardless of how stupid he is, and drunk, or anything!! IT IS STILL RAPE, when she SAYS NO!!
Why are so many guys just so stupid, and can't understand this?
Have some control, you idiots!!
Yeah, they can tease you, get you horny, and then just stop, and SAY NO!! NOTHING you can do about it, but go and have a wank!!
Push the issue, and have sex with her, and you might go to jail, for 20 years, and then YOU might be the "bitch" getting raped!!
The guy gets imprisoned for rape and nobody is to blame but him for the incident because he lost control and became an animal.
The girl gets fined for provoking males and dressing inappropriately.
Note that these are two separate punishments. Both humans should get punished for their uncivilized behavior.
And of course the punishment should fit the crime, the man's crime is 10 times worse than the woman's immoral behavior.
sexual assault is something that only someoone with serious mental issues does. Your logic suggests that if a woman is naked in front of you that is ok to assault her. SEXUAL ASSUALT is something that one shouldn't ever do regardless of anything
I mean it's stupid to do that. There will always be horny gangster freaks so provoking them with flashes you are only going to make things worse.
It's the guys fault but we cannot wipe them out of the earth's surface.
As a side not : don't flash and flirt with random guys, I personally wouldn't like a girlfriend like that.
I would put 95% of the blame on the guy who assaulted her. But at the same time I do think that women need to exercise caution.
What the woman did in your scenario would be like if I were to walk through a bad neighborhood while counting out a $1000 in $100 bills out in the open. Then some guy clubs me and steals the money. Sure the guy who robbed me is mostly at fault but common sense would say I should have kept the money out of sight.
Any sexual touch shd be with concern no matter what. She flirted w guys she liked. She flashed the one's she liked. Now if they like her back they can go for a more human way instead of preying on her like animals. Men are to blame here fasho but it's not always if she had assaulted them first, they might just want a revenge maybe.
Even if she invites him over and says "fuck me," if she changes her mind and says no he is obligated to stop. Otherwise it's sexual assault or rape and he should go to prison for it.
The man is to blame. First you don't follow people that's just plain creepy and second men aren't animals, they're able to control themselves...
As always, your dichotomy is false.
A shitty rag like that would be turned away from entering the bar in the first place.
That dress makes even you, look sensible.
she put the target on her back but that's no excuse. she's not protecting herself.
A mix of both. Him sexually assaulting her should be punished but, at the same time, you gotta be comfortable with what you're wearing because at night a dress like this one might attract the wrong kinds of attention. Also, it doesn't help if she flashes because it will give even more unwanted attention
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