We could possibly Pay for expenses like textbooks, teachers, etc with tax dollars. Those tax dollars go into educating future generations as well as making education more accessible to people that otherwise wouldn’t be able to afford it.
Instead of schools being funded by property tax, it could be funded by a small percent in everyone’s taxes. This could also eliminate student loans
Universal free college studies for absolutely everyone... no
Not everyone is prepared for a college education, so sending everyone to college for free it would be an immense waste of time, money and resources, sure, there's a LOT of students who deserve and would actually capitalize on it but is not the majority.
And I say this because ever since I am 14 years old, I have tutoring college students, and giving them classes... can you imagine that? I always had full classrooms of college students that didn't know basic math, basic science, could not learn English or Spanish more properly... didn't have the comprehensive reading skills or didn't know how to redact and write.
At the age of 16, I was even helping post-graduate with their thesis... not only to redact them, to structure them but also doing some research on things I didn't really know about much (being specialized studies) but I did manage.
So no, university and college studies are NOT for everyone, not everyone has the interest and A LOT of them are pushed and forced by their parents or society, to go get some papers from an institution.
So, you will create a lot of mediocre students that will be wasting valuable and precious time and energy, resources while trying to make it through free college (which by the way, the quality of it will end up being subpar anyway) or in the other hand, you will have thousands of capable and qualified professionals but due to the higher numbers of them, it's still going to be a waste because they won't be able to find jobs and positions, there's always going be that limit, you just can't create jobs and opportunities out of the blue, and even if you had all those jobs available, they will be underpaid under the new circumstances.
There simy isn't a way to make bird-brain-size humans smarter than their maximum brain capacity which, when you compare it to brainy humans, is very limited. (When you compare it to monkeys it is huge, but as far as delivering technological innovations that are in fact the core of the quality of life - 5 billion super-monkey brains on the planet still cannot produce anything new, just do relatively simple repetitive tasks like working in warehouses or stacking the shelves - in itself not a huge problem, but their cummulative anger/crime and consumption of petrol/brent/production of CO2 for nothing new intellectually - is a concern)
Why would you do that? University is a choice. Nobody ends up at university by accident. A lot of folk either don't want to go or choose not to go. So why subsidise a minority to get what's often a pointless piece of paper?
Don't get me wrong. There are useful degrees - medical stuff like nurse or pharmacy tech, engineer, architect, accountant etc. You'd not want a nurse sticking a needle in you without proper training, or tons of building above your head designed by a DIY hobbiest with no training and certainly I want my planes designed by someone highly studied in the subject. Any society with merit should be funding the useful degrees with low paid jobs so nurses are plentiful.
But those folk who studied pointless nonsense like fine art, ancient languages, psychology or other equally less useful subjects, we shouldn't be funding.
Good example - right now there's a few hundred jobs in the UK with police forces to do crime scene investigation. Each year there's hundreds of graduates of CSI courses, because after the CSI franchise arrived people decided to do what they saw on TV without looking at the jobs market. So what jobs do they do with the degree that costs so much? Working in banks, local government, factories and other unrelated jobs because there's no job available. Why should we pay for that?
No. Both public and private universities already get massive subsidies from the federal and state governments (our tax dollars). Universities and our federal government already offer "need based" scholarships and grants. If a student is ambitious and works hard instead of partying through high school, they can earn "merit based" scholarships from many public and private universities.
Why should a tradesman be forced to pay for someone else's college degree? Why should YOU have to pay for someone else's college experience who slacked off all through high school if you were the one who worked your butt off to earn a merit scholarship?
Hell no. Turning it into a public institution will degrade the quality because they will no longer have an incentive to be good if they get a payday anyway from the government. College isn't necessary, many people want to do other things with their life. It is unfair to make people who didn't go to college pay for people who go to college, especially for those who go for a useless degree.
Can say the same thing about healthcare. Quality goes down, and on top of that I'm forced to pay for all the smokers and obese people.
Well first of all college is needed if you are looking for a stable and comfortable career, for example doctors, lawyers, teachers. It’s almost impossible to get a stable high paying job/career without a college degree unless you go into entertainment or become an entrepreneur but not everyone can just do that so it’s really unfair for a low or middle class student to have to take out hella loans just so they can get a good job in the future. And as for your healthcare comment I don’t think I need to go to in-depth on how that was an extremely ignorant remark. Do you know how many people die a year because they can’t afford the ridiculously high hospital bills and most of those people aren’t smokers or obese 🙄 for example, thousands of kids die a year from cancer because their family couldn’t afford the cancer treatments. So if your reasoning for not supporting affordable or free healthcare is because you feel like “you are being forced to pay for all the smokers and obese people” then like I said you have a flawed way of looking at things
@SmokinAces2000 I mean... do you want me to list ones above a certain annual income? Maybe you should refer to google if you literally don't know any jobs that don't require a degree. Google "jobs near me" and you can see so many jobs that pay well without requiring a degree. My bro is your age and he gets paid more than the average American. He works in sales.
Like I said unpredictable and also as I said on the others, You need a degree to be a doctor, lawyer, etc so if everyone thought like you I guess we would all die because nobody would be a doctor anymore and I guess everyone would go directly to prison since there would be no more lawyers
I know that all sounds great! I do know people that have major student debt. Here are my thoughts being that I would be helping to foot the bill Any grades less than a C would pay half and any failing grades or dropping out, would pay all expenses! Graduates would need to find work in their field of study or closely related field within five years. Since most graduates would be professionals in some field. They should be willing to provide professional services for half the going rate to help repay the working and retired taxpayers that helped to give young people their furthering education. At least for several years. This way I wouldn’t feel like I helped to educate someone to take more of my money!
College education is a total rip off questionable outdated material and not worth the time having experienced it, so no. If it became universal you'd ofcourse have deprived families able to now go but would they come out with a degree or suffer serious mental health issues and fail. I could have made better use of my time and made a difference to the world by thinking for myself exploring the world and knowing what I really want to do. Now 'm just like every average person who has to rely on getting a job. There are so many opportunities in life in other ways. If you spent every day for the next 3 years just researching and reading you'd be more knowledgeable than lecture material.
Why do you think it’s fair for people that decide not to go to college to pay for other people’s schooling? If I’m going to be paying for somebody else’s schooling, I might as well sign up for college and so should every one else. Also by the way, I am a college student.
Not paying, more like paying a tiny fraction for the better good. It would fund a more educated generation, eliminate student loans (which is a really big problem), and make education less about greed and money and more about doing what it was to do - educate.
I still don’t really agree with it to be honest. I think college should essentially be more inexpensive, but I feel like people just barely making a living for themselves shouldn’t be paying for my education. College is not a requirement in life. Although it is expensive, most people easily can earn the money back by working in the field they end it in. That’s why it’s essentially so important to know what you want to do. I feel like people don’t sit on the fact and really study they field they want to go into. There’s not enough jobs in fields that require degrees for just everyone to go and I think a college degree would become pointless. I feel like for more income they would require more schooling for many many fields
I’m not saying college isn’t a rip off, I just don’t really think there’s a right answer on this essentially. For example, someone building a business of their own, shouldn’t need to be paying for my schooling. I live in a tax state and I don’t honestly know how much taxes we can take until this state is impossible to live in
I just want a shot at my field that I worked hard to get to over someone that just wanted to be in the field because they feel like it lol. I feel like that would be the case
No because that invariably means that taxpayers end up paying not only for their own educations, but for everyone else's too. The amount of extra tax everyone would pay would likely amount to what university graduates pay in monthly tuition repayments.
No. Most colleges are a waste of money. They base themselves on a false, unrealistic promises. Education does not guarantee you a good job. What does guarantee you a good job are your work ethic, your cooperativeness, and your ability to learn. Have a positive attitude, too.
If you go to vocational school, yes. College doesn't teach you skills. They make you take meaningless classes about meaningless subjects that have no place in the real world. Vo. Tech. or community college. Otherwise, forgive me, but it's just rich, old white people trying to rip you off (student loans) and be able to count you to pat themselves on the back for "enhancing diversity."
That can be a great means of income, but you'll need to build up money to get you started. It might take 15 years to build up enough savings. Some people try to do it with loans, but they usually go broke in a year or two. What would you like to do before that?
Check out Anthony O'Neal's book about the 5 mistakes that you can't afford to make when going to college. It's also called The Graduate Survival Guide. Even though I've long been out of college, I purchased his book and read it. I regret going to college.
Nope. Things are fine the way they are. Instead, we should fight against forced ethnic studies. Thats pure SJW shit.
People who identy as feminists should have a small tax going to pay child support, that way the mother can get money, and after all its not about punishing the father, its about whats best for the child.
Nothing really, I just don't like SJWs and their hypocricy. Why should I have to pay for forcing someone to have something as shitty as "ethnics studies"? That fact that its forced make it worse than bullshit like "gender studies"
The fact its forced. If it were optional I would have less issues with it. I'm not gonna support "SJW"-ifying the next generation. How would you feel if every future game designer in America suddenly had to learn to design female characters pandering to weebs. And it was obligatory.
Nothing at all, just trying to show you how stupid it is to force people to take courses that should be optional! California forcing students to take ethnic studies to graduate absolute utter shit! Thats my whole point!
Even if it would be for the net benefit of the whole cuntry its still unfair to the people that had to pay themselfs, beacuse they would essentially pay double beacuse their taxes would go up. Good point
@Kenzy009 I struggled mightily to put myself through college. It took 10 years to do it. I never got a dime in financial aid and neither did any of my kids. so thanks for nothing and a big go to hell when it comes to this BS.
No. Not everyone needs a degree and not everyone has the cognitive ability to do theoretical studies. Total waste of money and is not in America’s best interest.
That sounds nice but I wonder if it would make it harder for students who are actually serious about a major have more difficulties getting to their goal since higher education would be so easy for anyone to get to.
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That's fine but it should be for actual educational courses only, not "gender studies" or "history of surfing" (an actual class at San Diego). if you fall below a B you should be required to pay yourself or leave.
And say hello to your tax rate going from 25% of your income to 80 or 90%.. No. No free rides. If you want college, do what most rational thinking people did and pay for it.
One time I went to the DMV, took a "number" and then left and went grocery shopping. After that I checked back and saw that I still had time to got to Dairy Queen for a couple of hours. I was so pleased when I got back to the DMV, because there were only about 40 people ahead of me.
You’re young so I’ll give you the benefit of naïveté. However this could never and will never work in the real word. Nobody is entitled to such things.
I’m definitely not mad. I love other opinions. I love debating, and I love hearing legitimate reasons for it. Yet you have not provided me with any of that. You only commented “no but it could further society and make smarter generations” that’s not an argument. That’s not fact. I would love to hear some facts.
That is the opposite of what I said. I said we could make it free for everyone so that student loans aren’t a problem and make college more accessible for those who it will benefit the most
University in the UK used to be free to use, and funded by taxes. It's only in the last few decades, they've decided to saddle the young with large amounts of debt.
It’s stupid health should be a basic human right, not only that but Americans pay the most for healthcare even though we have one of the worst healthcare systems in the world
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