Is what’s going on in Afghanistan Biden’s fault?

[pink_and_inlove]

Just confused is it? Because I liked Biden

[Aethereal]

No. If the US had maintained it's occupation for another 10 years, the result would still be the same. The goal of the invasion was never to destroy the Taliban. Afghanistan itself has been in a state of instability for over 40 years. Even if the goal had been to destroy the Taliban, all the US could have achieved is creating a Vietnam 2.0.

The Taliban is as much a movement as an organization. It is not a simple tyrant ruling through fear that can be removed with a well executed assassination. There are commonly held values that the US challenged by being there. Whether we think those values are good or not doesn't matter. They are commonly held regardless. And if the resentment from them being challenged is strong enough, the people will rise up to protect them. This is why the Taliban has survived 20 years of US occupation, and why it would have survived (even grown stronger) another 10 or more years.

To conquer and hold a country, and change its culture requires a commitment of time and resources that the US will never make.

[Lliam]

The 20 year military occupation of Afghanistan by the U. S. is on the George W. Bush administration. Biden may be a bumbling fool who isn't even in charge of foreign policy, but the pull out from Afghanistan is long overdue. It's an economic necessity. It's not "Biden's" fault.

The U. S. recruited, armed and trained the fundamentalist Islamic Taliban hoards in the 1970s in order to overthrow the government that was on friendly terms with the USSR. The U. S. didn't give one fuck about the Afghani people. It just wanted to give the USSR a taste of its own Viet Nam.

Before then, Afghanistan had begun to modernize. Many people wore western-style clothing and had fun like normal people. Girls attended college wearing what we would consider to be normal clothing with no head coverings.

But after the Taliban pushed out the USSR and overthrew the government, they instituted Sharia law, forced women to wear full burkas, banned education and music, tortured and murdered thousands, and carried out a reign of terror. Afghanistan was plunged into the Dark Ages.

When the U. S. invaded Afghanistan after 911 to "defeat terrorism", it fucked up the country even more. Did the U. S. ever think it could colonize "the graveyard of empires"?

Now the Taliban are back. It's actually what the U. S. did to Libya and tried to do to Syria.

I feel incredibly sorry for the wonderful Afghani people. Thanks to the USA. that has left nothing but death, destruction and misery in every country it has meddled in since 1953. It has destabilized the world and led to backlash. Fuck imperialism.

[Brokenheartedx]

Its noones fault, the country is full of fucked up little man syndromes, retards and goat fuckers. They want to go back to the 15th century then we should ensure they do... America shojld take out their communications and every other piece of western technology and leave them where they belong.

And hope one day the womej say enough over and start kicking the shit out of the small pricked cunts

[SecretsofKB]

No its not. It isn't Trump's fault. It isn't Obama's fault. It isn't Bush's fault. It isn't the US's fault. Hell, it isn't even the Soviet's fault. It is such a deep rooted cultural aspect of Afghanistan that nothing was really ever going to change there without significantly changing the cultural identity of all Afghans.

[TheBigGuy9]

You liked Biden? Obviously you’ve never studied your history? Read up on him and I mean extensively through myriad perspectives. What he just did is 100% his fault. He just said 39 days ago that this would not be Saigon. It’s worse.
Though I do not expect them to admit it. If there is one thing I know about the Elites and their base is they have no problem dishing it out, but they cannot take it. They have giant egos. Never admit when they’re wrong. Never ever! Yes, I have real world experience. I don’t sit online all day and make my decision based on what the news says.

[pink_and_inlove]

I liked him because he promised his son that he would won his son that died because of that I wanted him to win

[ZackBan]

It's not his fault entirely It's the fault of every administration that came and went for the last 20 years.

Afghanistan is a country that is so used to being occupied it crumbled in a matter of hours after the US left.

I guess the way biden should have done it is through a transition phase where the US ensures that the afghan government they put in place themselves was prepared to repel the taliban then leave.
But leaving without any warning like this just crushed what they themselves poored trillions into building.

So biden is at fault but it's not his own fault in a way

[ChubbyKing]

Potentially. Biden's administration deviated from the original plan that Trump's administration had set up for the withdrawal. Trump set a date to start withdrawal but the withdrawal would be slow and gradual, you can't trust the Taliban. Biden decided to give the US a close deadline and started withdrawing quickly leaving a vacuum like Obama's admin left in Iraq.

You can't 100% blame Biden though because there's no way to know if they would have done the same under Trump however but as it seems, the Taliban was given too much leeway and took advantage

[ChrisMaster69]

There needs to be a cold look at senior military, someone should have said exactly how this would pan out.

it was talked about years ago, especially when the exit strategy from Iraq turned to complete bollox as well.

During Telic we were bouncing between theatres and it was mentioned then, exactly how would we wind down operations in Afghanistan.

from 2014, this was going to happen.

Everyone knows that if you withdraw from a location, you create a void, that void is then taken by those you have been holding back.

create enough voids quickly you end up with exactly as happened.

The next stage for Afghanistan is likely another scene of the Proxy war between Saudi and Iran.

[Pj1981]

My opinion is that we do need to stop spending money and lives on Afghanistan but due to the years of America babysitting, paying Afghanistan salaries, buying weapons for them they became to reliant on our help to just make such a drastic move at one time. I feel if we wanted our people out it should have been a little slower so maybe the Afghanistan president and military could have adjusted and grew some balls to save themselves. Now terrorists have the weapons (Afghanistans entire military worth) that America paid for. I have the feeling that without our control we basically bought the terrorists the weapons they will use to attack us and many other countries. I do feel Biden made a bad decision with good intentions if that makes sense

[GoodGuyBreakingBad]

Biden is being judged for Trump's written up policies
but Biden is not letting it bring him down even Bush
made these policies by rights Bush left American troops
in Afghanistan but it took President Obama to take the
enemy out ( Bid Landen etc )

[alance99]

This was bound to happen if not today maybe after 10-20 years when USA military would have gone back, Afganistan government didn't bother to learn anything from USA military and the rich people and politicians had already moved their money out of their country and were just sitting on their ass and waiting for Taliban to come and kick their ass.
Only the poor people will suffer in this enitre situation and women will be sold and bought by Taliban men just like any other commodity

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

The war in Afghanistan was lost in 2003 when Bush got side-tracked in Iraq. But the GOP is using their usual tactic of shifting blame.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/cvE7_VB5dF4

[_no_one_]

It shows how crippled Afghanistan was. It took taliban few days to take over a country having around 300k of its own soldiers. Their soldiers themselves gave up why wouldn't American soldiers? I don't think its Biden's fault. Afgan government is the one to blame.

[Ms_Vanderquack]

What? No, blaming a single person for Afghanistan continuing to be complete garbage is just ignorant.

[TonyMetal___86]

Why do you like biden? He's just an old retarted old shaky man with an alzheimer brain whom i see as a disgrace for the USA and shouldn't be a president at all...

The one and only who was fit for presidency is DONALD J. TRUMP 😄

Your always CONFUSED as usual 🤣

[jshm2]

No. Of course not. But Americana just love blaming the wrong things for their own ineptitude and acting all surprised when the same fuckups continue to happen.

[Surely]

Whether you blame it on Biden or not. Just remember Biden was in politics long before Afghanistan.
Didn’t research to see his opinion on going there. Maybe he voted to go. Maybe not.
With all of the arms left behind. They will probably be used against us in the future.

[EmbraceThePain]

No, I wouldn’t say so.


What’s happening there is a whole pot of complexity, a very big portion, perhaps the largest being due to religion.

[BCA6010]

Partly, but he's just one piece of the picture. You can trace major mistakes all the way back to Bush & Rumsfeld.

[DaveToo]

What's going on in Afghanistan for the U. S. has been going on since 2001 when the WTC was attacked, along with Washington.

[Mark987]

I would say yes and no? it was Trump that signed the peace treaty.. but Biden pulled out of Afghanistan way too fast.. even if the Afghan army should have been more prepared

[anylolone]

Two options, either it's not his fault, and therefore he delayed for no reason.
Or it's his fault because he delayed with the objective of making it worst.

[karaspara]

I feel it was always gonna happen no matter when withdrawl occured

[OddBeMe]

Not really. Nor was Trump. It’s really their desire for a caliphate instead of democracy.

[Snakeyes7]

Technically no, it's Bush's fault we were there in the first place.

[BButterfly]

All the bad things that’s happening now is his fault which is a big shame

[QuestionHavr]

No. It's no one person's fault. This has been going on for decades.

[DaviRon]

No. USA just stopped helping a country who bribes with terrorists.

[Texasguy99]

Yes and no. I’m July he said the taliban would never take Afghanistan over. He couldn’t have been more wrong on that.

[rcljr]

The current situation due to his utterly incompetent withdrawal are totally 100% his fault.

[Wise4myage]

Yes it is. He had no exit plan and claimed he did. And he refused to listen to the advice of his generals. He is so clueless its scary.

[Sabretooth]

allies were abandoned and the Taliban is now a much greater threat. it was poorly executed.

[FoghornLeghorn99]

The idiot should had made sure people who wanted out were taken out in a systematic fashion.

[Still-alive]

its all of our administrations faults.

[Tunasub]

No.

That's all the answer you need.

[joeldalton]

Yes, it is.

[Pterodon]

All his fault

[Starman5]

a little yes

[Abdulwahh]

Im not sure