its an inherently unwise statement to suggest being "good" people has anything to do with this issue. we don't care if they are nice people or not. its about economics
Illegal immigration drives up housing prices thehill.com/.../329141-does-mass-immigration-drive-up-home-prices-one-study-says
Illegal immigration drives down wages
www.politico.com/.../trump-clinton-immigration-economy-unemployment-jobs-214216
some will attempt to say immigration is good for the economy BUT this benefit only comes at lowering the wages of the poorest working americans www.marketwatch.com/.../new-extensive-academic-study-of-immigration-workers-and-taxpayers-lose-businesses-benefit-2016-09-21
a national small business survey found that as we decrease immigration small business owners increase wages and take extra steps to maintain their employees www.cnbc.com/.../...cern-for-small-businesses.html
A bank of England study found that for every 10% increase in immigration the wages of workers fell by 2% in the UK fullfact.org/.../
and don’t tell me they only take jobs that others don’t want because after ICE raided meat processing plants thousands of american’s applied for those jobs www.apnews.com/a2f7d00232bd408285f2f7e9c041cf1e
illegal immigration damages our social safety net programs www.texastribune.org/.../
they could be the nicest people in the world. i still want to chop their heads off
You really can't tell people to "quit believing propaganda" when you're talking about "undocumented immigrants". An "undocumented" immigrant is one who's forgotten his or her wallet at home. Illegal aliens are here illegally, and that's a problem. They may be fantastic people; they're still criminals. They're still not paying taxes, but absorbing the benefits of the things tax money is spent on. They're still, by virtue of generally taking whatever jobs they can get, driving wages down and crippling the bargaining power of our unions. They're still driving up housing prices.
Now, Jose the migrant fruit picker doesn't control Washington; it's very much the responsibility of the American political establishment to make immigration laws that actually WORK, and neither party has an interest in doing so. And our current immigration laws truly suck. But they are the laws, and no one has any sort of fundamental right to live where they choose, regardless of the desires of the people who live there. Any practical long-term solution is going to have to involve SOME form of amnesty: maybe let those who're already here illegally come forward and take the citizenship test; maybe set up some kind of community sponsorship program. Maybe something else. But while a person is essentially living like a political leech, it's perfectly reasonable to resent him for it, regardless of his humility.
@Steven8000 and yet they are unable to get into the country legally and contribute to the society. Illegals don't pay taxes for one. Because they are typically paid below minimum wage they do get into criminal acts, such as drug dealing, to help support themselves and their families. It's not like you or any of your brainwashed ignorant leftist friends doing anything to support them because as illegals they don't/can't apply for government assistance.
They many times give a bad reputation to their country peers who get into countries legally and are trying to better themselves. Many of whom due to the regions they come from already face racist ideology, stigma, and difficulty getting jobs without illegals adding to the issues.
Maybe sheltered white boys and girls like you, who know less than nothing about minorities, should move to countries of illegals and see how well you survive. Not very long because those countries are not soft and weak-kneed like the world you're used to.
Here we have a self hating minority who wishes she was white. And I'm not white.
@WowwGirl What would they laugh at? The truth? Only silly people would laugh at the truth. This woman needs to be right next to Larry Elder, as self hating minority. And one of Trump's sons girlfriends that is a Latina is self hating too. I'm Latino and I call it our like I see it. She is a coconut. And yes this person is a woman. So what? What needs to be said to someone needs to be said to someone. Call them out. Hey at least I am not storming the capitol and being violent.
It's not bigotry against Latinos to want people to obey the law, and and to punish criminals. I'm not against foreigners immigrating to the United States legally and obeying our laws, and I wouldn't mind changing our IQ tests to be less ridiculous and add loyalty tests. But that's not what you want. You want people to be allowed to come here ILLEGALLY, and using the "racist" Heckler's Veto at anyone who isn't Hispanic and "self-hating" to Hispanics who don't agree with you.
Tell me, are YOU here legally? Your conviction leads me to think you aren't.
@BazookaTrouper I was born here. I don't have problem if someone wants all immigrants regardless what race to come legally just as they don't want anyone to come illegally and just as along as they don't dislike someone just for being undocumented. Don't want them mistreated, realize most are good people, etc. The post is that more Americans need to realize most undocumented immigrants are good people.
@Steven8000 - self-hating minority that wants to be white? No thanks that means I'd be like you and I'm too intelligent to be confused as you. Maybe if half my brains were bashed out with a brick.
@Steven8000 - Don't want them mistreated, realize most are good people, etc. The post is that more Americans need to realize most undocumented immigrants are good people. - if they were indeed good people they'd do as many legal immigrants do and enter the country legally. I mean if a former colleague of mine could escape his home country even though he was being targeted by the military after a coup.
Look at one guy below how he has met so many undocumented immigrants and knows how most are good people. And I'm a proud Latino. I'm not a coconut. You are an Oreo though. And I'd the process was much not impossible they would do it. In a desperate situation people would even risk their lives but you are clearly uninformed about the process for many people. Just cause some people can come easily doesn't mean others can't. You haven't met enough undocumented. You are talking our of your butt about people you don't know.
Self hating? How is a minority self hating for having COMMON SENSE. We are a country of laws and principles and yet it seems like it's only you guys who want to go and through that away all in the name of hating trump. News flash, NO ONE CARES ABOUT TRUMP, BUT YOU, and it seems your willing to sacrfice minorities and the happniess of other amercians who are affected by your dumb descion making if it means filling out a stupid vendetta. Thanks to people like you and all the illegal immigration in my area - I can't get an entry level job unless I speak Spanish - a language that didn't even originate from here, and yeah you want to talk about "good people", I know some great hard working people; My aunt works two jobs, a combined total of 18 hours a day , and my mom 13 hours shifts AND FOR WHAT!!! Just so YOU and others like you, can give their hard earned money to people who didn't even respect us enough to come here the right way.
You're insane, and if you want them you come here so badly, then how aboout you and you alone pay for their plane tickets, education, food shelter, clothes, English classes, etc. But im tried of seeing people like this who are far too willing to give away the resources of others while being fed a sliver spoon all their life.
@Steven8000 Dude, you’re so easy to figure out why even bother?
@Steven8000 look you uneducated idiot. I've met many undocumented immigrants in California so why don't you shut your piehole? And you obviously haven't because many of them are embittered by the fact they are AT THE BOTTOM OF SOCIETY in America. They GET LESS THAN MINIMUM WAGE, THEY GET NO HEALTH CARE OF ANY SORT, THEY GET NO GOVERNMENT SUPPORT, THEY LIVE IN TEENY HOUSING SETUPS OR TENTS OR IN OLD RVS, THEY WORK LONG HARD HOURS FOR NOTHING. And the comical thing is is they have less in the US than they did back home.
@Steven8000 you said - And I'm a proud Latino. I'm not a coconut. You are an Oreo though. - You're not a proud Latino you're a useless uneducated racist piece of shit
@BlackBeauty90 He is a Double Stuffed Oreo
@BlackBeauty90, sorry you were subjected to this jackass' racism. And he is a big-time racist.
@BlackBeauty90 I'm sorry too he's disgusting.
You haven't met enough to realize most are good people.
Thankfully most black people and Latinos are not self hating and are not conservatives. They actually feel sorry for the minority of ones that are.
@RiverUndertheSkY most are good people. You clearly haven't met enough.
@Avicenna the huge majority of Latinos and black people agree that people in their own group sho think like her are coconuts or Oreos. I guess they are racist against their own for staying that (sarcasm). And the racist ones are people like Trump that don't mind black people getting choked to death, Latinos being mistreated, etc.
I don't think you know what every one of tens of millions of people think, although you're arrogant enough to think you do. Even if you're correct about that, that is something they should be ashamed of- thinking that people can't think for themselves and if they do, they're BAD people. Especially in the case of a very diverse group of people, which Hispanics are, there isn't going to be monolithic thought. What you've espoused is racist leftist thinking.
Your misrepresentation of Trump's America-First policies is unsurprising for someone who believes illegals are superior, and anyone who's honest knows it's America First for ALL US citizens (and by implication, legal residents). That's why you fall back on the racist race-baiting I've called you out on.
I never said they weren't: I'm saying you would lieterally let people who work there asses off here suffer, if it meant that you're buddies in another country can live rent free here. It's not just you here, and we have people struggling here in this country that need our help. Yet you care more about people some people far away, who contribut to none of the things you come to take for granted here. So I said, if YOU want them to come here, then pay for them all by yourself, but your not taking from my already struggling family to do so.
@Steven8000 - you say you aren't racist, you sniveling rodent, and yet use racist terms. How pathetic of a mongrel are you? But then you're stupid. There's no denying that. . ... You see I never once said illegals are bad people. I never denied they don't work hard... That's how stupid you are. That's how uselessly bigoted & racist you are.. ... What I said, and I'll make it very simple so even someone of your very limited IQ can understand, is they don't get anything by coming to the US as illegals. ARE YOU SO FUCKING BRAIN-DAMAGED AND STUPID... SO USELESSLY RACIST... SO FUCKED IN THE HEAD THAT YOU ARE WILLING TO SUPPORT PEOPLE COMING TO A COUNTRY WHERE THEY GET ***NOTHING*** AND WORK FOR ***NOTHING*** TO PROVE THEY ARE "GOOD PEOPLE".
@BlackBeauty90: well said. He's a pathetic idiot.
@Steven8000 haha look at the so called minority loving man quickly turn on someone and demean her for her skin color
yea you're white
@007kingifrit If he is Latino like he claims it's diluted ancestry (e. g. an 8th removed grandparent) and he knows nothing - less than nothing - about what he gibbers about like a fool. It is comical how he shows he's a good for nothing racist if nothing else.
@007kingifrit Most Latinos and black people I know demean people of their own group that are self hating regardless if they are light, dark, etc. We do it for their dumb way of thinking of being self hating. Just people would demean a Jew for supporting Hitler. Not because of his/her ethnicity but for them being self hating. And I am Latino. You know Latinos come in all shades right? White, Brown, black, etc. Latinos have different looks. Most Latinos and black people talk smack about self hating people of their groups like Candace Owens, Eric Trumps girlfriend, etc.
Both of my parents are from South America. Latinos come in all shades. White, brown, black, etc. Inform yourself. I don't know why you don't believe I am Latino. You probably think all Latinos have a typical look or something. All the non self hating Latinos and black people I know are embarrassed of the self hating people of our ethnicity. We are embarrassed of Eric Trumps girlfriend and many black people are embarrassed of Candace Owens. We think they are sad cases. At least they don't represent the majority of Latinos and black people. 40 percent of Latinos support Trump while the majority 60 percent don't and laugh at those self hating fools. Same applies to the majority of black people that laugh at the minority of black people there support Trump.
why do some people get to skip the rules and jump over the fence when others are waiting in line after many years of hard work and stress? i'm sure that immigrants who move to a country legally are also hard working and decent people. people should follow the rules.
also, a country only has the capacity to support so many people. if you open up the border and tell the whole world that they can just walk in for a "better life" without any documentation or background checks, chaos would happen pretty quickly. whether it be violence, lack of housing, lack of food, lack of jobs, etc. a country can only support so many people before the "better life" starts to look unattainable.
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u I don't think that too many people think ILLEGAL ALIENS are bad people. They simply think that Democrats want open borders to create a generation of VOTERS who are entirely dependent on the largesse of Democrat controlled welfare budgets.
And some of us are concerned about people flooding into this country untested and without regard for the current pandemic.
@Steven8000 - good people or not reality is they're criminals.
As for hard working & humble you would be too if you are paid minimum wage or less, when you couldn't speak the local language too well, and with the constant threat that your employer or neighbors may call immigration on you.
It is not hard to comprehend why illegals are so. All a person does is use their brain.
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Now as for people's problems with illegal immigrants.
1) They take the lowest paying jobs, lower than minimum wage even. Companies love this as they can hire 2 or 3 illegals for every local. This in turn costs locals to lose their jobs and drives down not just wages but the economy as a whole.
2) Depending on the region and the mentality mass immigration of illegals doesn't actually increase house prices, it decreases them severely. Or, as above with #1, the lowered economy causes house prices to hit rock bottom.
3) They do not pay taxes or other fees that Americans & legal immigrants do. Do you think money grows from trees? Everything from maintenance of roadways to schools is supported by tax & other moneys that illegals don't contribute.
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4) They take away from resources that Americans and legal immigrants who are struggling need. Shelters as example. Free or discounted meals. Discounted housing. There are senior citizens who have been on American soil for 7 to 8 decades that receive less care than an illegal who has been on American soil for 7 to 8 days.
5) Because they are illegals they can not get a driver's license nor insurance yet that doesn't mean they don't drive. Similarly if they commit criminal acts it is far, far harder to locate them than a legal American or immigrant.
Lol. Even the people from the same countries those undocumented immigrants are from, that are legal residents/citizens are humble and hard working people. Same with the ones that know the language. Same applies to the people when you go their country and they never went to another country. Nice job assuming, they are humble because of this or that. It has to do with their culture.
Sure they’re good people, but they are illegal and should come in legally as we need to protect American citizens. There are a lot of notable correlations to crime and borders tagged along with economic ramifications. When our government makes decisions that impact so many people, they have to make these decisions based on data and facts rather than solely emotion. Saying these people are good people is an emotional statement based on anecdotal experience. It doesn’t carry within it any substance when making decisions that impact others on a population scale.
As a Mexican/American I can tell you that I’m for secure borders. While the majority of illegals who come in here are good people, we need to setup a controlled filtered system to keep the bad out. Cartels, coyotes, drug smugglers, and murderers come across the borders too- and more of them will come if we create an more incentive for them to do so. The government should protect American citizens and their own citizenry needs to be their priority. It’s never an effective strategy to light yourself on fire to keep someone else warm.
I don't really care.
I don't like my country being overrun by uninvited foreigners.
We should only let in a small number of immigrants per year.
We should be picky about who we let in... the standards should be high and we should only accept far less then 1 million per year.
Just having the floods gate open and millions to just flow in endlessly... hardly knowing anything about any of them... totally shifting the demographics of the entire country.
Any sane person would be against that.
If they actually loved their country and culture.
Since many hate our own country now I'm not surprised they cheer on the collapse of our culture and fully support a large cluster of the world population to just relocate here.
I think the needs to apply to everyone. It all comes down to walking in someone else's shoes to experience their life. Example everyone should work a holiday season in retail to appreciate what abuse people are subjected to. The same applies for jobs that many consider below their standards to do that.
this comment implies that empathy is important in politics. its not. their existence here interferes with our ability to make a wage. so no matter what, understand them or not. they are bad
You can not change people's minds when they have hate in their hearts and do not think past what they are told.
We all have the ability to be more knowledgeable but in the end for most ego and entitlement wins.
People constantly everyday do illegal things but yet criticize everyone around them, it's redundant.
Don't try to change their minds if the world wants to grow as people and learn to fight for a better life for all they will, but most are self centered and not really thinking of you, me, or others.
In the end all we can do is live our lives and ignore those who simply speak.
Illegal is a word people take to literally and yet do not live by it's definition or think it applys to them. 🤷
It's all just redundant.
Same people talking about legality probably have gotten high in drugs, had sex with hookers, etc. I agree just because someone does something illegal doesn't make them bad people
Whether or not someone is a "good person" is a value judgement, but someone who knowingly enters a country illegally and works there illegally isn't my idea of a "good person". In addition, there is a lot of behavior that "good people" don't engage in that is associated with working illegally, such as using stolen Social Security numbers or committing tax fraud.
I have lived by, worked, etc with ton of them to know most are good people. Most bigots that think most undocumented immigrants are bad people met a bad ones or go by what the media tells them. Same with people who hate Muslims or black people. Met a couple bad ones or go by what the media says.
I see. How is that you worked with so many people who are working illegally in the US? Do you know what they do when they aren't with you or what most are like, given that you couldn't possibly know tens of millions of illegals? How do define what makes someone a good person?
Is it possible you're biased and express hate for conservatives because you are going by what the media tells you?
I knew the workers well and had many family friends, etc that were undocumented. You clearly haven't met enough. You go by Trump's words how you believe moat are rapists, etc. Silly
So you know everything because you say do, and no one else can have a valid opinion if it differs from yours. And you know all of them. So we should just go by YOUR words because you know everything. And you know everything, so you know where everyone derives their pinion from. What an omniscient Genius you Are.
@NathanDavis: I'm not going to say which state I'm in, but I have lived in both border and non-border states. The border state was Texas.
You probably sneak illegally to if you were in a desperate situation too. Getting your life threatened, being hungry, etc. But of course you don't know anything about that
That's a false representation of why they come- they just want to make more money and in many cases they do want a better life for their family, but that is not the responsibility of the US to provide that to everyone (it wouldn't be possible anyway). But they weren't starving where they lived before, and there are other places closer to home they could move to in the rare event that they are really that exposed to violence.
But again, you shouldn't assume anything. My grandfather came to the US 80 years ago with the shirt on his back, his family having been killed and a bounty on his head.
No I'm not in the U. S. illegally. So people having compassion, for others mean they must be illegal themselves? My goodness you are ignorant. You probably support people getting sexually harassed, support black people getting shot in the back of the head, etc. The immigration process 80 years ago is different than today and the hardest process is from Mexico and Central America. Once again, if you were in a desperate situation like them you would do the same thing. Most are good people.
I agree completely. I'm a white guy that grew up in south Texas and now live in north Texas and have had LOTS of exposure to undocumented immigrants and adult children of undocumented immigrants. In my experience, they do their best to stay out of trouble, work very hard for their families and would be terrific Americans if they wanted to and we let them. If people would just talk to them, they'd see what I mean.
Too many ignorant people commenting here. Sad
What do you think of the heartless people?
I'll agree if you agree that these leftist dumbasses need to start casual conversations with officers sometime in the 40 times per day that they call the police while simultaneously advocating for the complete abolishing of police in the country. They'll see that they're amazing people and it takes a lot to put up with people so dumb as those leftists
They could be a living saint and it wouldn't change the fact that illegal immigration degrades society.
They exist as a hidden underclass without the protection of the law, or the benefits of citizenship. They also take without paying taxes, and the people who hire them are exploitative and betray the common good of their countrymen.
The solution would be just to give the ones who are here a pathway to legitimate legal residency, and get them to pay taxes and receive at least minimum wage. Meanwhile actually securing the border, and modernizingy the currently broken legal immigration system.
It doesn't matter if they're good people or not, lawlessness can't just be ignored without a cost. We should not be okay with the formation of a semi enslaved underclass.
So what if they are wonderful people?
The country they ran away from needs them for that exact reason.
A people can't recover if all the good ones leave the rest to suffer alone.
Its honestly selfish and elitist to want all of the wonderful people from other suffering countries to come to the US.
Why wouldn't you want them to stay and help their people?
Some genuinely can’t help other people.
The country is so messed up that help is pointless.
Take Afghanistan, under sharia law do you think a female doctor, engineer or lawyer can help other people?
@yucel_eden Considering any of those individuals would need to go through the American education system to recover their profession, they can stay in their home and keep helping people as a doctor, engineer, or lawyer.
You say an Afgani lawyer would be useless to help their country?
I say they wouldn't even be considered a lawyer in the US. Same goes for the doctor.
You don't have to lead a revolution to be helping your country. Just don't abandon it to ruin
How can a women help anyone in a country that bans them from doing anything?
How are you going to stop an army?
How can a woman help when they are banned from doing most things? How did women help in WW1 when the military wouldn't let them levy gunfire at their enemies? They supported the troops who were fighting however they could.
Why do you assume women are powerless to change a country just because the law says they can't?
Even in WW1 some women said fuck what the law says and went to war anyways.
I really don't see your point
It really isn’t the same thing...
People form governments and countries, not the other way around. Just because sharia law is in place doesn't mean women are powerless. All it means is that that power is being suppressed by fallible people.
Im alil tired of watching immigrants pass by the American people such as housing, did u know in california immigrants here block housing for Americans because they dont have a house or jumping on food stamps and more and some just finesse the governement, Disrespect Americans by doing what they do and then were suppose to just sit there and accept it? a lot can become legal but choose not too. California is a sanctuary state and most cities don't deal with ICE so they're protected but they should not be entitled to the same rights unless they become legal. We took. in enough immigrants it's not the united states burden & the US did destabilize tons of Southern American countries during the cold war but at this rate, it no longer is fair for the American people to be stepped over.
Most are good people
It's not about good people it's about just being legal. How many Americans have to be stepped over by " most good people" who mean well but at the same time were all suffering for it America has tons of issue that need to be resolved and our "Border Crisis" and glad Biden pulled troops out of Afghanistan so we can focus on the US itself before it becomes a bad country.
1. COVID-19 is a thing.
2. The law exists for a reason.
3. I’m irritated when some jackass can’t even be bothered to learn the primary language in a country they lived in for years.
4. Because dumbasses I mean Democrats don’t want voter id and nobody not a citizen should vote regardless your opinion.
5. Because it promotes human trafficking and drugs.
6. Because fuck you that’s why.
Most undocumented are good people
Idc their good people look at list. None of these facts argue against or depend on that.
I've worked at a motel for the last 8 years and can say from experience, do not be fooled by a pretty face. Many "good people" came through that front desk and claimed good intentions, but in the end it was all a facade to just get in through the checkpoint.
The US border is the same way, not as many "good people" as you'd like to believe and even less who are actually here to better their lives.
The fact that illegal migrants are hardworking isn't the issue. It's the fact they're illegal.
Most are good people.
Lots of people worldwide migrate through the normal legal channels. It's not easy so it's unfair on those who do things by the book that these people just walz in. Also if they're illegal they can't legally get a job. So they're either earning money by crime or working illegally for low wages beneath minimum wage. This is unfair on legitimate businesses.
Most undocumented people earn money by working under the table jobs. Not drug dealing or anything. Most of them do regular jobs and get paid under minimum wage unfortunately. MOST are good people. That is the point.
I'm sure many are good people, but that's not the issue. The issue is that they are still criminals for crossing over the border without going through the security checkpoint (if they really wanted to become citizens, then I wouldn't mind putting them through the citizenship process in case this was an error). If we just leave our borders wide open, we risk letting people who DO want to cause harm in whether they are spies, wanted violent criminals or people who have covid.
In a perfect world, we wouldn't need a border security. However, given how the US is a major target by many countries such as China and Russia, being this forgiving could be our downfall.
Ah, that's a good Demunist Commiecrat Dupe. You unmask yourselves as the good sheeple that you are. If anything, you Globalist Elites want unchecked and more often than not illegal immigration so you can have ever cheaper gardeners and maids, regardless of what it does to the working class here. Under Trump, we had borders controlled and the LOWEST African American unemployment rates ever, and yes, those two factors are linked, but you Leftist sheeple can't admit that.
Nope, hasn't helped Europe.
"Most people are decent people" there's still the problem of scarcity and boarders.
If you don't believe in boarders just don't enforce the one you control directly, your home, and advertise that it's not controlled. And don't control your personal space as well, most humans are nice.
Personally I think they need to grow up. An intelligent person should not have to experience every single little thing personally to realize even simple concepts. Would be nice if they could just have a think for like 5 minutes and realize that people are just people and it does not really change all that much where they come from.
Npe, they are breaking the law, plain and simple. A lot of murderers are good guys too, they just had a moment of violence. I don't need to meet them either.
What a dumb comparison
Comparing being desperate to come to another country when feeling hopeless, etc do murder is dumb. I bet you think badly about Afghans meaning illegally into other countries right now when I bet you would be doing the same thing if you were in their shoes. But of course you sit relaxing in the West pretending you know it all
If I was able to afford it many. You would so the same thing as these people if you were in their shoes
I am saying you would sneak into other countries if you were in desperate conditions like them.
Let's see if you can do that while starving, etc. Easy to talk when you haven't been in their shoes.
I love immigrants and people from other cultures. But I have a problem with the idea of unrestricted, undocumented immigration. I encourage visitors, migrant workers and even refugees. But we need to know who crosses the border.
Most undocumented are good people
That doesn't matter. What's important here is that they came here ILLEGALLY. When someone breaks into your house, you get them out, not make up the guest bedroom and ask them to stay.
I totally agree with you. But as a counterpoint; the issue that many Americans haven't with who the illegal immigrants are as people, the issue is that they are breaking the law. Trump introduced a whole element of the illegal immigrants' character and integrity, but that was inappropriate and even inaccurate. It is true that there are many criminals crossing the border illegally, but there are also a lot of otherwise good people.
I do meet them and I have no problem with anybody if they act right but that doesn't change my opinion that immigration rules need to be followed.
How is it humble to knowingly and brazenly enter another country in defiance of that country's laws? Spare me the sympathy plea.
Be less worried about foreigners coming here and more worried about how to end the dystopoian nightmare that the world governments have created. I don't care if 100 thousand illegals came to the U. S. today. It is only an issue to stupid people who let the news tell them how to think. Masks and vaccine poison for a fake virus is what you should fear. Not brown people.
White Americans ARE undocumented. Their illegal immigrant ancestors never showed any Native Indian a passport when they landed, did they?
Most people don't realize, MS13, was born out of southern california, not mexico. conservatives don't realize this, and they hate it.
So, then they'll turn it around and say, well, they're democrats. No, actually, they're all likely conservatives,
Most of the MS13 gang members that are arrested in Long Island aren't from California or New York or Mexico. They're illegal immigrants from El Salvador.
no dude, just, no
You can state "no" all you want. I live in the area. It's fact. Their arrest stories make the local New York City news about once a month.
like i said dude, no, just no. You are very misinformed
likely a republican
Soooo... You are saying Americans should be vetting immigrants to determine they are well meaning individuals?
I have known ton my whole life. Most are good people.
I think we can agree on the vetting process then.
Getting or no vetting most undocumented immigrants are good people
@Steven8000 you are missing the point you uneducated little boy. we don't care if they are nice people or not. its not part of the decision making process
@Steven8000 - most are good people, sure, but they don't / won't get decent jobs, don't / won't get decent education, don't / won't learn the predominant language, don't / won't accept decent wages, don't / won't do anything to the norm of American society... They all in all damage the economy because big companies don't have to pay locals for work when they can hire 2 or 3 illegals for every local. This forces wages to decrease, costs jobs for locals, forces people to move, etc.
@Steven8000 You're not really that good of a person if you commit a felony to effectively steal native resources.
I guess you just think criminals are wonderful people. We’ll have to agree to disagree. You like all that is evil and you worship it in wonder. It is what it is...
Irrelevant. Doesn’t matter if they’re good people. You’re missing the point.
It has nothing to do with if you or i or anyone thinks they are a good person. Why would that matter? Should i not go to jail if i break in someones house and steal to pay my bills if im a good person? Smh.
The individuals morality does not negate the fact that they are all still criminals.
There's a difference between LEGAL immigration and ILLEGAL immigration. Stop trying to blur the lines.
@ItsMeItsMe1989 Ah, the "block". The move of the cowardly ignorant and perpetually stupid. Enjoy your echo chamber. You must have a bowl of cereal in your head.
Here's just two of the stories that apparently don't exist:
www.justice.gov/.../long-island-ms-13-gang-member-sentenced-25-years-imprisonment-murder-brentwood
www.dea.gov/.../ms-13-gang-members-indicted-six-murders-long-island
@ItsMeItsMe1989 Another article that's "just no", just for fun:
www.nytimes.com/.../...eaders-ranfla-nacional.html
Clown.
Most are good people
Once you cross the border illegally, that point is irrelevant.
I don't give a shit about your emotional appeals, they can either get in legally or not get in at all.
Most are good people
Myself, I don't like ''America''
But each time I met one of you guys - it turned out to be a good enough person :D
Your suggestion makes sense.
The issue isn't whether they are good people or not.
Them being good people is irrelevant to the fact that they came here illegally.
Doesn’t matter how nice they are. Illegal is illegal which makes them criminals
Nope, stay in your own country or come the legal way
It’s not that. It’s lazy people that come over here to live off of taxpayers. Right now as we speak, over 62% are on some form of government assistance. You think that’s good for an economy?
Quite right. I volunteer for refugee agency in Texas and 90% are families.
Look at the heartless people herr
here
Maybe they should go through the same process immigrants had to go through.. they earned their citizenship….
Undocumented? I'm sure you mean Illegal Aliens. No, those criminals need to go back where they came from.
Most are good people, Trump supporters are the real assholes.
Totally
Assuming Trump supporters are all assholes is like assuming all illegal Mexicans are rapists and murderers.
@FoghornLeghorn99 nope, this is actually true
@FoghornLeghorn99 most Trumpsters are assholes. You get to know them and realize how most of them are. Most are bigots, xenophobes, selfish, etc. but most illegal immigrants after you meet a ton, you see how most are good people. Big difference.
@Steven8000 How old are you? 12?
@FoghornLeghorn99 29. Turn 30 tomorrow. I have known a lot of Trump supporters and I have known tons of undocumented immigrants longer than that. Most Trumpsters are assholes while most undocumented are good people.
To quote Muhammad Ali:
"If you think the same at age 50 as you did at age 20, you wasted 30 years of your life."
In other words. You are not 20 any longer. Grow up. Wise up.
@FoghornLeghorn99 It has nothing to do with growing up. It has to do with meeting tons and saying how most of one side are good people while most on the other side aren't
Criminals
You really think Americans are down to build those streets, buildings, etc? I’ve never met an equally hard working American.
Criminals that you don't mind hiring. They aren't criminals at all. Most are good people.
@Steven8000 if they came illegally they are a criminal.
What's a criminal? Someone who does illegal shit.
Comparing Hitler, a murderer, etc to people desperately coming for a better life is dumb. Just because someone does illegal stuff, it doesn't mean they are a bad person. It depends what type of bad stuff it is. The people calling out illegality are the same people who have done drugs, drank underage, etc. which is illegal. Also did speeding on the freeway, etc. I guess they are bad people too (sarcasm)
Actually xourargiment is dumb- „they’re good people because I say they are“. Entering a foreign country and working there illegally is not something a good person does. And are you saying none of the illegals use drugs, speed when driving, it drink underage?
But since you’ve brought up driving, another thing your saintly illegals do a lot is drive without a license and insurance- that’s not only illegal, it causes real damage.
Are you yourself illegal?
Look at one guys post below. He has grown up in Texas and has been around tons of undocumented. He has TALKED and GOT TO KNOW so many. He says most are good people. You and your friend here haven't met so many and haven't met tons. Until you do, you are talking out of your butt.
LMAO, you know someone's background and character just because you talk to them?
And for your information, while I don't ask people for their immigration status when I meet them, I have had contact with plenty of illegals. I used to ride a bus to work that was filled with them, lived in a neighborhood that had a bunch of them, and I also helped a bunch of them in a matter I won't discuss here, which is why I know they aren't the angels you make them out to be.
I'm not illegal. Good job being racist.
@Avicenna They are family friends, etc I have worked with them, etc. I have known so many of them very well. And you probably confuse Latinos born here with Latino foreigners. Typical of Trump supporters. Most Latino immigrants regardless if they are legal or illegal are good people. Same applies to other immigrants of other races.
You continue to show how stupid and racist you are. Of course you like friends of your family- that doesn't mean they are good people or that others who are in the US illegally are just because you think your family friends are.
To show how dumb you are, I have Hispanic relatives who are both US-born (including my father) and foreign-born ones. Stop making racist assumptions- you're just embarrassing yourself further. Trump won around 38% of the Hispanic vote, meaning there are a lot of people who don't share your backward and racist views.
LOL, you're a racist fool. 38% self-hating? No one in their right mind would believe that, and they'd tell you themselves they're proud to be Hispanic. And what have the Democrats ever done for Hispanics? Opening borders to let illegal invaders come in and depress wages isn't doing something for Hispanics.
@Steven8000 its so pathetic your only defence is "but they're nice"
nice isn't a worldview boy "Just be kind" is not a worldview ↗
@007kingifrit: And apparently just nice to him.
I don’t care how nice you think someone is- it’s disrespectful to a country and causes great harm when a lot of people enter illegally and work illegally there, especially if they get tax money and charity that should be going to the poor who are here legally.
And I’ve been a (legal) immigrant myself.
@Steven8000 you aren't responding to any of my arguments. is it because you fear how right i am? of course it is white boy
yes, you are white
Most Americans need to get the stick out of their asses (American here).
Give me the money to
I have a J O B
Because you told me to do so. I can have an opinion on whatever the fuck I want to have an opinion on. It's the American way, right?
You're ignorant as shit lol
I didn't defend anyone. Can you read? I never said anything about immigrants. But, you want the last word. I'm going to let you have it dude.
Yes I agree with that completely
how very foolish. it doesn't matter if they're nice or not. they compete with workers for wages and lower everyone's wages
So what is your question?
@Steven8000 my father in law immigrated the right way from Mexico, he is a good man. I have met plenty of illegal and undocumented workers that were good people. I have worked beside them in kitchens all over the States. I still believe illegal immigrants are a bad thing for our country. And not due to any propaganda or political stance. Its just economically unviable.
My family immigrated to the United States legally from the Netherlands. Took six years for my grandfather to save up enough to make the journey.
My father in law was born in Mexico, hates Trump, votes Democrat. He saw the economic implications that illegal immigrants have on a country, with his first hand knowledge of the problem in southern Mexico with the Honduran wave that hit in the 70s and 80s.
Let me ask you this, what do you think illegally entering the country benefits the United States as a whole? How did it benefit Mexico in the 80s? What are you willing to change to make the fundamental issues associated with illegal immigration not be felt nationwide?
The point is people need to realize most are good people.
They can be "good people" over there.
MS13 are a fine bunch of outstanding people
I’m sure most are.
No thank you
Ok bigot
13/50
What?
I agree with your opinion. I, as an Israeli, also think that Israel should be more open to immigrants, and that Israeli people have the same problem with thinking immigrants in Israel are bad.
I agree..
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